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LWW
03-11-2008, 07:25 AM
I want to thank hondo for motivating me on the other forum to seek out the truth on the numbers regarding the war.

In spite of his incessant and shrill bleating, we once again find that the left brays and cakles as if they had a clue when in fact they are merely sheeple led by the MSM via the ring through their nose.

I also want to apologize to the B-B-B-BUT B-B-B-BOOOOSH! crowd for forcing them to bury their collective gourds even deeper into the intellectual sands of denial.

http://www.nationalreview.com/images/chart_bowyer1-23-06.gif

OH MY! (http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_buzzcharts/buzzcharts200601230854.asp)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Critics of the war in Iraq often complain about the “escalating cost of the war.” Listening to them, you’d never know that the war is one of the least expensive in American history.

Robert Whaples, professor of economics at Wake Forest University, has measured the cost of each major American war up through the first Gulf War. We took these costs and compared them to the cost of the Iraq war and found that the Iraq experience has consumed a smaller percentage of GDP (just 2 percent of one year’s wealth creation) than every other American war except the first Gulf War (which measured just 1 percent of GDP).

This stands in stark contrast to the Vietnam experience, which opponents have often attempted to liken to the Iraq war. Vietnam comprised a much heartier 12 percent of GDP at the time. Other conflicts, such as World War II, took a remarkable 130 percent of a year’s GDP to see through to success.

The work is not done in Iraq, and the financial costs will grow beyond the $251 billion we have spent so far. The real cost, of course, is in human lives, manifested in the debate about whether it is worth losing a few thousand American lives in order to liberate 23 million people. But the data are clear; any attempt to discredit this war based on its effect on the U.S. economy is an unnecessary distraction.</div></div>

LWW

DickLeonard
03-11-2008, 09:36 AM
Lww that is one pile of manure, World War 11 song was brother can you sparea dime. Nobody was working.

The Mexican War is still being fought everyday at our Borders at a Giant cost to the Border states. Medicad,welfare,prison inmates,drug gangs.

Even tho the WW11 cost us a higher % we still took ten times better care of our returning Vets. Iraqi freedom is but a bleep on the chart and the hosing we are giving the returning vets with Psychcare is outrageous.

But have fun with your numbers.####

wolfdancer
03-11-2008, 10:04 AM
Dick, only a total idiot would try to compare war costs, and then try to claim we're getting a good deal on this one. At least WWII had an end to it....
We won't know the true cost of this war in dollars, since GWB is financing it with monies borrowed from the Chinese payday loans store, and generations from now, they will still be trying to service the debt...it'll never be fully repaid.
But the true costs of the war are in the lives ruined, and the lives lost. Will this **** war hawk try to compare casualties, and claim we are getting another bargain re that? GWB and his co-authors of this war, will have to answer to God for that, since he has seen fit to pardon himself for ALL crimes committed while in office.

eg8r
03-11-2008, 10:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even tho the WW11 cost us a higher % we still took ten times better care of our returning Vets. </div></div> This has nothing to do with the subject. Keep on track.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Iraqi freedom is but a bleep on the chart...
</div></div> Exactly the point of the thread.

eg8r

eg8r
03-11-2008, 10:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dick, only a total idiot would try to compare war costs,</div></div> Which is exactly what the idiots on the left do every time they say this war is the most expensive war in history. You guys just cannot stand to put anything into perspective and call others idiots for doing the one thing you have been doing since the beginning.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GWB and his co-authors of this war, will have to answer to God for that</div></div> I agree, because as the law of the land right now he has done nothing illegal no matter how much mud the nutty left slings.

eg8r

LWW
03-11-2008, 10:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I also want to apologize to the B-B-B-BUT B-B-B-BOOOOSH! crowd for forcing them to bury their collective gourds even deeper into the intellectual sands of denial.

LWW </div></div>

As I predicted ...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DickLeonard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lww that is one pile of manure, World War 11 song was brother can you sparea dime. Nobody was working.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dick, only a total idiot would try to compare war costs</div></div>

LWW

sack316
03-11-2008, 02:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Which is exactly what the idiots on the left do every time they say this war is the most expensive war in history. You guys just cannot stand to put anything into perspective and call others idiots for doing the one thing you have been doing since the beginning.

eg8r </div></div>

No added content here, just felt that warranted repeating at least once more.

Sack

pooltchr
03-11-2008, 05:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DickLeonard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lww that is one pile of manure, World War 11 song was brother can you sparea dime. Nobody was working.

</div></div>

Actually, during WWII, EVERYBODY was working. The depression was prior to the war. The economy actually was doing well both during and after WWII.
Steve

wolfdancer
03-11-2008, 05:36 PM
I'll stand by my idea that to try and compare this war favorably with WWII is both a disgrace and a disservice to the dead and wounded of this war. It reduces them to mere numbers on someone's score card.
That nutty left label you apply to anyone that disagrees with this war and admin....must allow you to forget that the freedom to dissent is part of what they are fighting to protect?
I find the same flaw in your belief that anyone that is concerned about climate change, doesn't know that the sun is the cause.

wolfdancer
03-11-2008, 05:43 PM
what a total twit you are...the dumbest posts ever that I have had the displeasure to read, in my whole time here on the board.
I disagree with Ed, but he writes with conviction, and isn't trying to be a a smarta$$ like you.

LWW
03-11-2008, 07:35 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what a total twit you are...the dumbest posts ever that I have had the displeasure to read, in my whole time here on the board.
I disagree with Ed, but he writes with conviction, and isn't trying to be a a smarta$$ like you.
</div></div>
Don't hate me just because I'm a smarta$$ and you're a dumba$$!

LWW

LWW
03-11-2008, 07:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DickLeonard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lww that is one pile of manure, World War 11 song was brother can you sparea dime. Nobody was working.

</div></div>

Actually, during WWII, EVERYBODY was working. The depression was prior to the war. The economy actually was doing well both during and after WWII.
Steve </div></div>
Would you please stop telling the truth about history ... you know it riles the natives.

LWW

wolfdancer
03-12-2008, 01:26 AM
only idiot calling that I read is Ed calling folks idiots for them aledgedly labeling others that????? So you feel that it's ok for one side to call the other idiots, as long as that's not being directed at your side???? You are right....that kind of reasoning is well worth being being reprinted.
As to the left complaining about the costs of this war....it's interesting to Google "cost of the war in Iraq"
Here's an excerpt from one site:
"Forecasts of the cost to the U.S. have reached into the trillions of dollars, fueling a controversy over the impact on the budget and the economy. Missing from the debate until now has been the man who famously sparked it: Lawrence Lindsey, then President Bush's chief economist, who gave an estimate in 2002 that sent the Bush administration into sticker shock. Less than three months later he was out of the White House......."
(Probably a closet leftist that didn't know GWB doesn't like to hear bad news))
And from another site:
"The war in Iraq will cost US taxpayers at least three trillion dollars, a respected, Nobel Prize-winning economist wrote in a new book ..." (another leftist idiot)
Maybe them leftist idiots care a lot more about the casualties though, and a lot less about the money then you are giving them credit for.....Shucks, it ain't even our money anyway...wait'll the Chinese find out we're declaring BK, and listing them as a debtor.
Only problem about the money, besides passing that debt along to future generations.....it looks like we are on the brink of a major recession, and who knows ...a depression....?????
Course this is all just my own thoughts about the war, and it's ultimate effect on the economy. We won't know the real truth until the resident expert on all things....lww adds his informed view....
Please read that for me....I pulled his plug, again (makes my day)

LWW
03-12-2008, 04:25 AM
Help me out Wolfie.

I'm 51 years old and one of my unfulfilled goals in life is to live long enough to see you make a post which actually contributes something useful to a discussion ... please don't let me down, you can do it.

LWW

DickLeonard
03-12-2008, 06:58 AM
Eg8r you mean you don't add in the cost of caring for the veterans of that war into the cost. What kind of accounting figures are you using. World War 11 totally ended on VJ day. End of the cost of that War.

Iraqi freedaom is 12 billion a month till the Cows come Home.####

DickLeonard
03-12-2008, 07:02 AM
LWW you have plagerized my post to you.####

LWW
03-12-2008, 07:32 AM
You keep dreaming Dick ... hope for change, or change for hope, or whatever trip you are on now.

LWW

eg8r
03-12-2008, 08:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Eg8r you mean you don't add in the cost of caring for the veterans </div></div> Your post did not mention the "cost of care" so I did not take it that you meant to include it. As I read your post it seemed to me you were referring to something other than cost. However, given the perspective, even if the "cost of care" was up to your standards, the amount of this war would never come close to WWII.

eg8r

eg8r
03-12-2008, 08:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That nutty left label you apply to anyone that disagrees with this war and admin....must allow you to forget that the freedom to dissent is part of what they are fighting to protect?
</div></div> The vast majority of those speaking out are from the nutty left.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I find the same flaw in your belief that anyone that is concerned about climate change, doesn't know that the sun is the cause.
</div></div> I believe we have hit on your confusion. When global warming is discussed in the media and on this board the intent is to imply the earth is warming due primarily to the actions by humans. If you read the doom and gloom out there you would think humans were trying to burn us up. My point is that the human causes are not even a "blip" on the chart when comparing the causes of the earth warming.

eg8r

wolfdancer
03-12-2008, 11:49 AM
Dick, the best advice I can give you...is to place this idiot on your ignore list. Trust me, you'll feel good about it...AND, the board reads much better.
I've read about all the bragging I can stand from one person. It's no wonder he came over here from AZB...they needed a break over there...some "fresh air"
If you "pull his plug" you won't miss anything worthwhile to read here. He's a Bill O'Reilly wannabe, but without Bill's intelligence.

LWW
03-16-2008, 06:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dick, the best advice I can give you...is to place this idiot on your ignore list. Trust me, you'll feel good about it...AND, the board reads much better.</div></div>
Thank you for again confirming that the liberals on this board cower in fear of and completely ignore and abhor the truth when it is presented to them.

LWW

wolfdancer
03-16-2008, 12:53 PM
Truth is I get all the political news I need from the media.....and don't need your second-hand take on it. I also don't need to read your "informed" opinion and views....especially since they are just laced with insipid insults, of anyone that offers a different opinion.
You think you are that important, and that all knowing....that everybody here has to read lww to get the truth? While you denigrate the members here, over on AZB...we're pretty capable of figuring things out for ourselves....and know how to disagree in an adult manner....that is, before you and bama arrived on the scene
Get off your high horse.....and realize that you ain't the ***** news....
And do you really think anybody is in fear of you? WHY?????????

LWW
03-16-2008, 05:21 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Truth is I get all the political news I need from the media.....and don't need your second-hand take on it. I also don't need to read your "informed" opinion and views....especially since they are just laced with insipid insults, of anyone that offers a different opinion.</div></div>
Oh c'mon Wolfie ... you admitted that you didn't understand big issues and didn't want to.

But, if you don't want to read my posts then please don't. Nobody requires that you do, even though we all know why you do. You can't lay off the Haterade.

LWW

hondo
03-18-2008, 08:15 AM
Why do you guys encourage this idiot by replying to him?
That's all he wants is somebody to argue with over his idol BOOOSH.

LWW
03-18-2008, 10:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do you guys encourage this idiot by replying to him?
That's all he wants is somebody to argue with over his idol BOOOSH. </div></div>
Why do you piss and moan about how you are mistreated and then start shiite?

LWW

hondo
03-18-2008, 02:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do you guys encourage this idiot by replying to him?
That's all he wants is somebody to argue with over his idol BOOOSH. </div></div>
Why do you piss and moan about how you are mistreated and then start shiite?

LWW </div></div>

Because I can.
But














i think I'll stop. How's that?

LWW
03-18-2008, 02:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do you guys encourage this idiot by replying to him?
That's all he wants is somebody to argue with over his idol BOOOSH. </div></div>
Why do you piss and moan about how you are mistreated and then start shiite?

LWW </div></div>

Because I can.
But














i think I'll stop. How's that? </div></div>
And finally a confession from the troll.

FWIW, your odds of making it are about nil.

I've heard it all before hondo ... and you restarted it immediately thereafter.

Honesty is the best policy bro ... try it, you might even like it.

LWW

wolfdancer
03-18-2008, 04:18 PM
Hondo, you can't stop....his readership was at 3 before Gayle quit, and now that I mostly ignore him....who will be left? .... no pun intended....

DickLeonard
03-19-2008, 06:49 AM
Wolfdancer he has accomplished his appoined task the board is silenced. Fran will love him..####

LWW
03-19-2008, 11:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DickLeonard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wolfdancer he has accomplished his appoined task the board is silenced. Fran will love him..#### </div></div>
Nice try.

If it's silenced here's why ... the bullies and loudmouths and liars have had their liesexposed. They are mad over it. They have nothing to contest the truth with.

If fear of the truth silences you, then you didn't have anything worth saying anyway.

LWW

wolfdancer
03-19-2008, 01:08 PM
"if it's silenced here's why ... the bullies and loudmouths and liars have had their lies exposed. They are mad over it. They have nothing to contest the truth with."
Since you have personally run Gayle off of the board, it seems that Dick, Q, Hondo, and myself are the only ones left protesting your posts.
Can you give us any examples of your bullies, loudmouths, and liars claim....and then point out how they differ, or exceed yours?
The main points of contention in the debates, were the Bush Admin, the war, and to a lesser extent, global warming.
I may have missed your posts that exposed all the lies of our "side", re: our counter-beliefs.
Truth is, I think everything is still open to debate, but you have turned that debate into a stream of invective from you, coupled with some empty boasting. If anybody here is a cyber-bully, it is you.
But if your claim were true that you have silenced the opposition in your short time here, after the rest of the "right" failed to do so in the years that I have been here.....one would think that they would be acknowledging that, and thanking you for doing that, and there would be even more posts made, commenting about current events, without fear of the bullies, liars, etc, of the left....
Now it's been hard to write this, and not add in any insults as you do with every post. In fact, the one thing that really separates your posts from any others is that they could have the same discussion in a bar while sharing a beer....but you might be asked to step outside.....
I'll go along with what Dick wrote....YOU have killed meaningful discussion on the board....nobody on the left wants to reply to your posts because it just allows you to add even more abusive remarks.
I went over to AZB when the site was down here? yesterday. You couldn't even let an apology by Hondo, pass without some negative commentary....but you have friends to back you up over there....I'm afraid you will never have more then a couple here...
Just my thoughts, i could be wrong.....
Deeman might sign up to get the autographed photo, and secret decoder ring, plus the monthly newsletter

LWW
03-19-2008, 04:03 PM
Read your own posts if you want evidence.

You are a vile insulting little man who, by your own admission, is incapable of understanding complex issues.

That's bad enough. Then you, like dick and hondo, shadow post behind me to satrt something and then run under the couch in terror when someone stands up to you.

I have twice, maybe three times, left this forum ... only to be followed by morons to AZB who then want to lie about what has happened.

As I said before, if you wanted peace you would have it.

You don't.

Now, go bathe in the pee pool you helped create.

LWW

Gayle in MD
03-30-2008, 07:55 AM
Dick,
This idiotic post gets my all time "Worst post of the board" award. Even if this idiotic war had cost ten lives, and a thousand dollars, it was still un-necessary, and we have gotten absolutely nothing of value out of it, but instead aided and emboldened our enemies, lost our allies, increased our debt, and exascerbated the danger, putting our country at greater risk.

Any attempt to justify the illegal invasion of Iraq, because that is what they did, illegally invade another country, under the guise of pre-emption, and regime change, neither of which are legal, and both of which are against our international agreements, can only be labeled as a complete fantasy.

Our people are dying in another country's civil war, and anyone who thinks any good will ever come to our country from Bush's policies, is living in denial.

Like the declining economy, the real debt, the results of this illegal war of chioce, and total costs, with interest, will not be calculable for years because the end costs of the devastating results have not yet occured.

Love,
Gayle

LWW
03-30-2008, 09:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dick,
This idiotic post gets my all time "Worst post of the board" award. Even if this idiotic war had cost ten lives, and a thousand dollars, it was still un-necessary, and we have gotten absolutely nothing of value out of it, but instead aided and emboldened our enemies, lost our allies, increased our debt, and exascerbated the danger, putting our country at greater risk.

Any attempt to justify the illegal invasion of Iraq, because that is what they did, illegally invade another country, under the guise of pre-emption, and regime change, neither of which are legal, and both of which are against our international agreements, can only be labeled as a complete fantasy.

Our people are dying in another country's civil war, and anyone who thinks any good will ever come to our country from Bush's policies, is living in denial.

Like the declining economy, the real debt, the results of this illegal war of chioce, and total costs, with interest, will not be calculable for years because the end costs of the devastating results have not yet occured.

Love,
Gayle </div></div>
To translate your gibberish ...

... your point is that in spite of being proven wrong on every single lie you have started, told, and repeated you are still right?

PATHETIC!

LWW

LWW
03-30-2008, 09:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I may have missed your posts that exposed all the lies of our "side", re: our counter-beliefs. </div></div>
You didn't miss them.

You chose to ignore them because you weren't smart enough to understand them.

Your words my friend, not mine.

LWW

eg8r
03-30-2008, 03:21 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any attempt to justify the illegal invasion of Iraq, because that is what they did, illegally invade another country</div></div> Jeesh, I guess you are back to telling the same lies from years ago. I guess none of your new exaggerations are gaining any ground so you are trying the old stuff again.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
03-31-2008, 06:26 PM
Be specific, Ed. There are no lies in my statements. Iraq, didn't threaten us. They were not even a threat. Our International agreements did not include any right to invadade and occupy other countries. Only a real and present danger qualifies as a right to do so, and all the Arab countries warned the chimp, and now look at the mess he's made.

You call people liars when you don't agree, but you are the one who is in the dark. Iraq is a disaster. That's a fact. The occupation was illegal, another fact. What Bush has done to that country is shameful, that also is a fact. Deny all you want, the statistics, and the Iraqi people's disgust with the George Bush, prove what I write, as does Michael Ware, who has been there since day one, but then, you automatically disregard those who know what they're talking about. Ware says this new mess has no good possibilities for the U.S.

Putting uniforms on al Sadr's thugs, and giving them guns, doesn't change what they are, as we all clearly can see, now. Of course, many of us knew how idiotic such a plan was from the start, but George Bush only does whatever normal people think is totally insane. No Iraqi Police Force, in reality. No political reconciliation, and an uptick in violence. Thugs on the street, collecting money from the United States, with guns given them by the United States, and with support and ties to Iran, and Bush is out there calling this success???????????

Dream on.

Gayle in Md.

LWW
03-31-2008, 06:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Be specific, Ed. There are no lies in my statements. Iraq, didn't threaten us. They were not even a threat. Our International agreements did not include any right to invadade and occupy other countries.

Gayle in Md. </div></div>
That is a complete series of lies.

Iraq hijacked the Achille Lauro, had hundreds of Americans killed in terrorist attacks, attacked 3 US allies, and attempted an assassination of a former POTUS as well as firing on US warbirds over 100 times.

And, FWIW, Iraq constantly threatened us.

Also, the 1991 cease fire authorized the war to restart as soon as Iraq failed in any portion of their obligation. They failed on all counts.

Sorry to pump air down the moveon rathole where you insist on hiding ... but, it's my job and somebody has to do it.

LWW

Treehumper
04-02-2008, 09:21 AM
Everybody was working during WW11 because of WW11. That was the boon the American economy needed to get out of the depression. The US entered much later and was better able to deal with the costs. Today, the Iraqi war has had the reverse effect on the economy, everyone was working before it and now.....

Oh and btw, I use the term "everyone" very loosely. There are many areas in the US that are economically depressed and an investment in them would've been a better use of the money that went to the Iraqi war.

eg8r
04-02-2008, 01:54 PM
Well crap, the system somehow deleted my post from yesterday. I will not put forth the full effort this time. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Be specific, Ed.</div></div>I quoted you specifically? How much more specific do I need to get.

You then go on to discuss you strawman...Bush is bad....blah blah blah. Fantasy land, that is where you live.

eg8r

DickLeonard
04-02-2008, 02:02 PM
Eg8r come on you live in Orlando Fla that is Fantacy Land. Gayle lives near the heart of America. ####

pooltchr
04-02-2008, 05:55 PM
If you are talking about DC, I can think of another part of the anatomy that might offer a more appropriate description. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif
Steve

LWW
04-03-2008, 04:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Treehumper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everybody was working during WW11 because of WW11. That was the boon the American economy needed to get out of the depression. The US entered much later and was better able to deal with the costs. Today, the Iraqi war has had the reverse effect on the economy, everyone was working before it and now.....</div></div>
...unemployment is at very close to an all time low.

And your point again was what exactly?

LWW

hondo
04-03-2008, 09:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Treehumper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everybody was working during WW11 because of WW11. That was the boon the American economy needed to get out of the depression. The US entered much later and was better able to deal with the costs. Today, the Iraqi war has had the reverse effect on the economy, everyone was working before it and now.....</div></div>
...unemployment is at very close to an all time low.

And your point again was what exactly?

LWW </div></div>


And Bernanke says the recession is likely.
Everything is wonderful, right, buddy?

eg8r
04-03-2008, 12:11 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Eg8r come on you live in Orlando Fla that is Fantacy Land. Gayle lives near the heart of America.</div></div> Kind of ironic isn't it.

eg8r

Treehumper
04-04-2008, 09:28 AM
While the participation rate falls. Something you may not care to think about. The unemployment rate only includes those looking not the ones who have lost hope and no longer look. Breakdown the employment across the country and you will see that there are many areas where the rate is much higher AND the participation rate is low.

Keep the blinders on and nose to the grind stone. Count your blessings you are either employed or retired...

Gayle in MD
04-04-2008, 11:33 AM
Gee, I guess our radical right hasn't ever heard about the New Deal?

Gayle in MD
04-04-2008, 12:11 PM
Washington D.C. is a beautiful city. Although I don't live in Washington D.C., it is surely one of the most beautiful cities in America. Have you ever visited Washington D.C., the heart of our country, and the hub of the world? Or is your bashing comment against the Capital of our country, meant to bash our government?

Since Republicans hate their own government, I'd say they're doomed to try to run it at the outset. Our government CAN be effective, and supportive of it's own people, as long as Republicans aren't running it, and using WE THE PEOPLE to finance billionaires, occupy, destroy, bomb and re-build other countries with our money, running up debt in the process, and trashing our Constitution, our laws, and our foreign agreements.

What have Republicans done? Launched the worst foreign policy disaster in our history. The greatest foreign debt, the greatest federal employee expansion in history, the most borrowed debt in history, the greatest trade deficit in history, the greatest failures of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, The greatest federal deficit in history, the greatest National Debt, and the most fiscally irresponsible of any party ever in power. More foreign debt than all previous administrations in history. Less industrial expansion, the greatest industrial losses, ever, turning our economy into a service industry of low waged workers, and allowing our infrastructure to collapse before our eyes. Republicans have lost more Congressmen and Senators, and aides to jail terms than any previous administration, and doled out more money to billionaires and corporate bail outs.

Republicans are big spenders, who expand government, increase deficits, abuse power, trash our reputation, break our laws, and damage our reputation and credibility around the world. They prop up dictators, arm terrorists, invade foreign countries under false pretenses, and have done anything but lift the moral standards of our country. They put those who kill our soldiers on the national payroll, and their present candidate can't keep it straight which country is supporting our greates enemy, or which factions are tied to which Arab countries. Not to mention, that his favorite songe is Bomb, Bomb, Bomb-Bomb Iran. A real intelligent thing to sing about.

Gayle in Md.
Proud to be called a liberal, and proud I never voted for George Bush.

pooltchr
04-04-2008, 06:02 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Washington D.C. is a beautiful city. <span style="color: #FF6666"> Parts of it are, just like most cities. Other parts are not, just like any other city.</span> Although I don't live in Washington D.C., it is surely one of the most beautiful cities in America. Have you ever visited Washington D.C., <span style="color: #FF0000"> I lived in Bladensburg and Carrollton</span> the heart of our country, <span style="color: #FF0000">I've never heard it called that, and would hardly consider Washington the heart of the country </span> and the hub of the world? <span style="color: #FF0000"> The center of our government doesn't make it the hub of the world. If there were any city in our country that would get that title, I would think New York would be more qualified.</span> Or is your bashing comment against the Capital of our country, meant to bash our government? <span style="color: #FF0000">Now you're starting to get it! </span>

Since Republicans hate their own government, I'd say they're doomed to try to run it at the outset. Our government CAN be effective, and supportive of it's own people, as long as Republicans aren't running it, and using WE THE PEOPLE to finance billionaires, occupy, destroy, bomb and re-build other countries with our money, running up debt in the process, and trashing our Constitution, our laws, and our foreign agreements.
<span style="color: #FF0000"> When you ever decide to comprehend the idea that there isn't a "good" party and a "bad" party, you will be well on the road to thinking clearly. Republicans are not all bad and not all good...neither are the Dems. Both have their faults...you just hate Republicans so much you can't see it.</span>

What have Republicans done? Launched the worst foreign policy disaster in our history. The greatest foreign debt, the greatest federal employee expansion in history, the most borrowed debt in history, the greatest trade deficit in history, the greatest failures of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, The greatest federal deficit in history, the greatest National Debt, and the most fiscally irresponsible of any party ever in power. More foreign debt than all previous administrations in history. Less industrial expansion, the greatest industrial losses, ever, turning our economy into a service industry of low waged workers, and allowing our infrastructure to collapse before our eyes. Republicans have lost more Congressmen and Senators, and aides to jail terms than any previous administration, and doled out more money to billionaires and corporate bail outs.
<span style="color: #FF0000"> Republicans didn't do all that on their own and you know it. Which party is in control of Congress?? Contrary to your opinion, the President of the country can do very little without the help of the House and Senate.</span>

Republicans are big spenders, who expand government, increase deficits, abuse power, trash our reputation, break our laws, and damage our reputation and credibility around the world. <span style="color: #FF0000">The same can be said about Democrats. Take off your damn team jersey and open your eyes. It's not all about Republicans. It's Washington as a whole. </span> They prop up dictators, arm terrorists, invade foreign countries under false pretenses, and have done anything but lift the moral standards of our country. They put those who kill our soldiers on the national payroll, and their present candidate can't keep it straight which country is supporting our greates enemy, or which factions are tied to which Arab countries. Not to mention, that his favorite songe is Bomb, Bomb, Bomb-Bomb Iran. A real intelligent thing to sing about. <span style="color: #FF0000">Oops, I answered too early. I thought you were finished with your rant. </span>

Gayle in Md.
Proud to be called a liberal, <span style="color: #FF0000"> When liberals take our country to Socialism and to the brink of Communism, maybe you will come to understand why your pride is misplaced.</span> and proud I never voted for George Bush.

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LWW
04-05-2008, 04:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Treehumper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everybody was working during WW11 because of WW11. That was the boon the American economy needed to get out of the depression. The US entered much later and was better able to deal with the costs. Today, the Iraqi war has had the reverse effect on the economy, everyone was working before it and now.....</div></div>
...unemployment is at very close to an all time low.

And your point again was what exactly?

LWW </div></div>


And Bernanke says the recession is likely.
Everything is wonderful, right, buddy? </div></div>
And of course nobody said that.

Also, Bernanke is a liar.

A recession is certain.

So is an expansion.

That's how economics works.

LWW

LWW
04-05-2008, 04:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Treehumper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While the participation rate falls. Something you may not care to think about. The unemployment rate only includes those looking not the ones who have lost hope and no longer look. Breakdown the employment across the country and you will see that there are many areas where the rate is much higher AND the participation rate is low.

Keep the blinders on and nose to the grind stone. Count your blessings you are either employed or retired... </div></div>
And this differs from the past UE readings how?

Oh, that's right, it doesn't.

Did you have a point?

I didn't think so.

LWW

Treehumper
04-06-2008, 10:25 PM
Past UE numbers can only be discussed intelligently with the corresponding participation rate numbers.

That's the point.

A national UE number also hides the localized issues. It's nice that one can thumb their nose at the others that may not have the benefit of high employment rates.

LWW
04-07-2008, 04:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Treehumper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Past UE numbers can only be discussed intelligently with the corresponding participation rate numbers.

That's the point.

A national UE number also hides the localized issues. It's nice that one can thumb their nose at the others that may not have the benefit of high employment rates. </div></div>
So, you have no reply unless you are allowed to manufacture a wild card number to toss into the mix.

LWW

bsmutz
04-07-2008, 01:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's no point in replying since I'm way too stupid to do anything but make fun of you and any responses you come up with.
LWW </div></div>
There, fixed it for you, L. Gooberhead.

wolfdancer
04-07-2008, 02:10 PM
Gee, I got all excited thinking he finally admitted he doesn't know sh*t from Shinola..

But checking his post out....it's just the same old stupid sh*t...so back on "ignore"

Gayle in MD
04-15-2008, 08:43 AM
That does it for me Ed. This is a post that proves more than any of your many others that youon absorb what sounds good for your party.

We don't even know how many years it will take us to pay back, with accumulating interest, everything Bush has borrowed from foreign countries to pay for this war, and you're stating in advance, what those costs will amount to in the long run?


BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA....

That does it!

There is only one thing I know about you for sure. You don't read. You don't study what is happening, and you don't absorb anything that highlights the insanity of this Republican fiasco.

As insulting as your usually are toward people who don't agree with you, you never provide any proof for anything you believe.

The ability of the right wing nuts, to come up with false and incomplete information to skew reality is more than amazing!

Nothing comes near it, other than Petraeus's appearances before the Senate, and the congress, which amount to saying," Oh, don't ask me if it's worth our young people dying, that's not my job. I'm just helping to keep them there for long enough that Hile Bush can escape the obvious disasterous consequences of his failed foreign policy, and blame them on someone else. No corners have been turned, Champaign bottle pushed to the back of the fridge, any improvements are fragile and reversible, but don't ask me to make a judgement about saving the lives of our young people, that's all up to the boss, the chimp, who made this mess in the first place, I'm just a ROBOT! With no loyalty to the troops. "

Now that's what I call a good, loyal supporter of the President of the United States, a loyal soldier, with no loyalty whatsoever to his underlings, or the best interests of his country.

There comes a time in the midst of disasters, when brave men speak the whole truth. He isn't one of them.

No war will ever bring this country the damage in monetary costs, and in reputation, that this war will bring, and has already brought, in many many ways. The costs cannot be predicted, until all the debts incurred have been paid. No one can say exactly how long that will take, nor how much more future damage to diplomatic efforts, and our future safety, loss of credibility, and global manueverability, or just how much more it will hurt the future of this country.