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blueridge
04-25-2008, 07:34 AM
I'm an APA skill level 6 and was wondering if anyone knows or has ever seen a defensive 9-ball break, where at least 4 balls hit the rail. In normal 9-ball, this would be pretty stupid, but the APA has some very goofy 9-ball rules that might make this a good strategy. Since they don't allow push outs, you could get a big advantage over your opponent by leaving him safe on the 1-ball on the break. Does anyone know of such a break?

SKennedy
04-25-2008, 08:37 AM
You're really going to do that to lower skilled players? Wow! You're pretty mean!
Haven't seen it done, but I know that if it was done to me, my focus and intensity on the match would intensify and my resolve to beat my opponent would be absolute. I play for fun, but love competition and I always want to win. To have someone break like that vs me in 9-ball would just be a slap in the face, regardless of the skill level. Just my opinion.....as we're talking APA league and 9-ball here.

PlayersChoiceSTL
04-25-2008, 08:45 AM
Hi there. I'm an APA player as well, and I have seen a safe break (or soft break) played by a couple players in our league. Those who do it well can be successful in leaving the cue ball in a bad spot, but it takes a good deal of skill to make sure it happens AND make 4 balls hit the rail.

blueridge
04-25-2008, 08:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SKennedy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You're really going to do that to lower skilled players? Wow! You're pretty mean!
Haven't seen it done, but I know that if it was done to me, my focus and intensity on the match would intensify and my resolve to beat my opponent would be absolute. I play for fun, but love competition and I always want to win. To have someone break like that vs me in 9-ball would just be a slap in the face, regardless of the skill level. Just my opinion.....as we're talking APA league and 9-ball here. </div></div>

The main reason I want to break defensively if it's possible is because the APA doesn't have a push out rule for handicapped 9-ball league play. This does hurt me pretty bad against the low skill players. The handicap heavily favors the low players in 9 ball, and any form of 9-ball without a push out option is just plain stupid.

I'm a very defensive player overall. I've taken many players, even 6 and above players, totally off their games with my defensive play. This strategy has only backfired on me once. I played a SL 5, and he thrived against my defensive play. I had to change my strategy and play more aggressively to beat him. I found out after the match that he was a hockey goaltender, a defensive specialist.

blueridge
04-25-2008, 08:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PlayersChoiceSTL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi there. I'm an APA player as well, and I have seen a safe break (or soft break) played by a couple players in our league. Those who do it well can be successful in leaving the cue ball in a bad spot, but it takes a good deal of skill to make sure it happens AND make 4 balls hit the rail. </div></div>

Cool. It is pretty tough to do. It's very difficult to get 4 balls to hit the rail and not leave a shot. I haven't had much success.

Is this an all out defensive break, or are they breaking softly with the intention of pocketing the 1 ball or the corner ball?

Do they consistently leave their opponents safe?

PlayersChoiceSTL
04-25-2008, 09:21 AM
You know, I can't say since I haven't asked or watched often enough, but I can sure talk to one guy about it the next time I see him. (It won't be until after the Nationals next week though.) I've never tried a soft break myself. I'm fairly consistent making at least one ball on the break, and like my chances of playing safe afterwards.

blueridge
04-25-2008, 09:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PlayersChoiceSTL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know, I can't say since I haven't asked or watched often enough, but I can sure talk to one guy about it the next time I see him. (It won't be until after the Nationals next week though.) I've never tried a soft break myself. I'm fairly consistent making at least one ball on the break, and like my chances of playing safe afterwards. </div></div>

I've got a very good power break, but have never been able to figure out any form of soft breaking. Ask this guy about his break and then post a reply or a new message. I'd like to know how he breaks.

SKennedy
04-25-2008, 09:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blueridge</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SKennedy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You're really going to do that to lower skilled players? Wow! You're pretty mean!
Haven't seen it done, but I know that if it was done to me, my focus and intensity on the match would intensify and my resolve to beat my opponent would be absolute. I play for fun, but love competition and I always want to win. To have someone break like that vs me in 9-ball would just be a slap in the face, regardless of the skill level. Just my opinion.....as we're talking APA league and 9-ball here. </div></div>

The main reason I want to break defensively if it's possible is because the APA doesn't have a push out rule for handicapped 9-ball league play. This does hurt me pretty bad against the low skill players. The handicap heavily favors the low players in 9 ball, and any form of 9-ball without a push out option is just plain stupid.

I'm a very defensive player overall. I've taken many players, even 6 and above players, totally off their games with my defensive play. This strategy has only backfired on me once. I played a SL 5, and he thrived against my defensive play. I had to change my strategy and play more aggressively to beat him. I found out after the match that he was a hockey goaltender, a defensive specialist.

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I've never played league APA 9-ball and I'm also not a very defensive player, which is likely why I'm a level 5 player and not a 6.

DeadCrab
04-25-2008, 10:31 AM
The problem with this, is that if you succeed in snookering the 1-ball, but inadvertently pocket a ball on the break, you have just succeeded in snookering yourself.

bsmutz
04-25-2008, 10:49 AM
If I was going to try something like this, I think I would put some top side english on the ball and try to get the cue ball to come off the rail after hitting the one and go to the middle of the foot rail. Hopefully the one would go up table and nothing would go in a pocket.

eb_in_nc
04-25-2008, 12:41 PM
To me logically it seems counterproductive to leave your opponent no shot by making a defensive break shot as opposed to breaking and sinking balls so you can continue on to run out and win the game/match. Why would the odds of leaving your opponent snookered by any better than to try and sink a ball(s)?

Defensive play should be supplemental to lack of offensive shots, but you cannot win any game in billards purely by playing defensively. Eventually you need to make your balls to win.

bsmutz
04-25-2008, 02:09 PM
I wouldn't play that way either, but I can see in APA where you don't win by making the 9-ball that someone in some situations might want to play this way. One circumstance I could think of would be if your opponent only needs a couple of balls and you only need a couple and you haven't made a ball on the break so far. A good safe here with no push-out option could be the winning difference. I'd really want to have a firm idea about what's going to happen before I tried it, though.