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wolfdancer
05-07-2008, 10:28 PM
you can kill in a time of war....but you can't look at no nudie pix?? .....
GRAFENWOHR, Germany -- Legislation that would restrict the sale of certain men's magazines on U.S. military bases around the world would be bad for morale, according to soldiers at Grafenwöhr.

U.S. Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga, has introduced legislation that would close a loophole in the current law that allows the sale of some sexually explicit material on military bases by lowering the threshold required to deem material "sexually explicit."

A Department of Defense committee that reviews materials sold on bases ruled last year that magazines such as Playboy and Penthouse are not pornographic. But Broun's Military Honor and Decency Act includes language that could make those magazines eligible for the ban.

The prospect of missing out on men's magazines was not welcomed by soldiers at Grafenwöhr.

"We all read 'em," said Pfc. Paul Rubio, 31, of Bakersfield, Calif. "There are times we just read 'em for the technological parts like the new gadgets that come out. They have good stories sometimes too."

Sgt. Simon Brown, 34, of Daytona Beach, Fla., said men's magazines build morale. "It's not all about the pictures, although 80 percent of it is," he said.

Pfc. Greg Smith, 21, of Northboro, Mass., a regular Playboy reader, said soldiers should be allowed to buy nudie magazines at the exchange.

"Playboy is good entertainment while you are on the can. They have jokes and good stories," he said.

Broun, a Marine veteran, told Newsweek recently that the magazines sold in military exchanges are partly responsible for a rise in sexual assaults in the military and other problems.

"Allowing the sale of pornography on military bases has harmed military men and women by: escalating the number of violent, sexual crimes; feeding a base addiction; eroding the family as the primary building block of society; and denigrating the moral standing of our troops both here and abroad," Broun says on his Web site.

The legislation would require the DOD to annually review material that is not currently deemed sexually explicit to determine if it should be prohibited, according to the Web site.

Some soldiers say magazines that could be banned are particularly important downrange.

Brown deployed to Afghanistan in 2002 and 2005 and is preparing to go to Iraq with the 12th Combat Aviation Brigade this summer. When he was in Afghanistan he was one of the first to pick up a new copy of Maxim or FHM when it came out, he said.

"It would suck if they ban it," he said. "It's bad enough we are down there to begin with. Taking that away would be like a knife in the chest. I'm not saying I'm depending on Maxim to keep me alive over there, but it helps."

Publications such as Maxim and FHM are not named by Broun, but lowering the threshold of the sexually explicit definition might mean such magazines would be targeted for a ban.

Some troops in the Pacific region said the proposed legislation would impinge upon their personal freedoms.

"They're making it a point of undermining soldiers to almost make them feel like we're back in elementary school," Pfc. Nickolas Sears said Friday at Camp Red Cloud, South Korea. "We're all adults here, and if it's something we want to do, we should feel free to choose as we please."

Other than on base, there's no place in South Korea to buy magazines like Playboy, he said.

"I believe it's a breach of freedom of speech," said Senior Airman Garrett Deese, 25, of Elk Grove, Calif., who just completed a tour with the 8th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron at Kunsan Air Base, South Korea.

He said he wonders whether such a ban would lead to barring other types of magazines lawmakers chose to challenge. He also questioned whether Broun's link between magazines and sexual assaults within the military would stand close scrutiny.

At Yokota Air Base, Japan, military spouse Roberta Woolley said she understands the need for balance between rules and individual rights, but said the military has tougher standards than the rest of American society.

"It's a good idea," she said of the proposed ban. "I think there's better literature out there.... In the military, we sell cigarettes and alcohol legally. But it's also questionable whether they promote a healthy lifestyle.

"I've seen all these magazines, and they don't make men or women intelligent or beautiful. And even though they're hidden, there is still exposure to children as well. It's the parents' responsibility to give ideas about body awareness to their children. I don't think Mr. Hefner presents a positive image of men or women in his magazine."

A female soldier at Grafenwöhr -- Sgt. Pou McCall, 23, of Riverside, Calif. -- said men's magazines don't bother her a lot, but she'd support a ban.

"What if it was their (soldiers') sisters (in the magazines)? It doesn't take a magazine for sexual harassment to happen but it increases it," she said.

Army and Air Force Exchange service public relations manager Judd Anstey said AAFES sold $231,000 worth of Penthouse, Playboy and Playgirl magazines in Europe last year.

"Sales of these three titles account for 2.7 percent of total European magazine sales ($8.5 million) at AAFES facilities," he said.

The sales accounted for 0.5 percent of worldwide AAFES magazine sales of $46.4 million, he said.

sack316
05-08-2008, 01:15 AM
As long as internet access is available somewhere, then everything can be OK /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

But seriously... c'mon a ban would be rediculous.

"But Broun's Military Honor and Decency Act..."

If anyone has ever been in, or even known, someone in the military... especially overseas anywhere... you know there's a lot more to worry about as far as decency goes than what forms of literature are being looked at.

Sack

Qtec
05-08-2008, 01:19 AM
What century are these people living in? What a nerve they have to tell Americans risking their lives, fighting for freedom in Iraq, what they can and can't read.
Its not only bizarre, its insulting.

Q

LWW
05-08-2008, 06:11 AM
So, moonbat liberalism bans free speech so as not to offend moonbvat feminists and you guys see that as a problem?

This is most encouraging.

LWW

Qtec
05-08-2008, 08:13 AM
What planet are you living on?
A Republican supported by RW religious orgs like Traditional Values link (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=3306) wants to deny the troops a magazine that is freely available in the US and its all the Liberals fault!!?

Q

DickLeonard
05-08-2008, 08:39 AM
Qtec I didn't realize LWW was still around spouting Moon bat whatever the hell that means.

It is outragious that are troops are fighting for Iraqii freedom????? while their freedom is being taken away from them. ####

wolfdancer
05-08-2008, 09:20 AM
your post makes absolutely no **** sense...as usual. you have to be the dumbest f**k on the board.
See if you can get someone to proof read your inane posts before you submit them....
This ain't azb where that crap flies as well written

wolfdancer
05-08-2008, 09:30 AM
He's still trying to impress the other Republicans here with his wit and charm. It went over big for awhile on azb, but here, he has a hard time following the threads. In one way he's very fortunate...he doesn't have to worry about a brain aneurysm, because there ain't much blood flowing through there.

hondo
05-08-2008, 10:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DickLeonard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Qtec I didn't realize LWW was still around spouting Moon bat whatever the hell that means.

It is outragious that are troops are fighting for Iraqii freedom????? while their freedom is being taken away from them. #### </div></div>

I ignore him, Dick. He's a common troll.

On the other forum he at least tries.
Here he just spews his hatred.
Sonoma destoyed his ego and now he just babbles.
He appears to hate me which is odd.
I do get along fine with his wife who seems
a lot more intelligent than him.

llotter
05-08-2008, 05:51 PM
I see the same ol' gang of lefties here to constantly scan the horizons to defend pornographers wherever decency threatens thier perverted vision.

nAz
05-08-2008, 07:25 PM
lol thats funny.. uh unless you in the military that is.
how the hell are these guys gonna jerk off? i mean sometimes your imagination can go dry on you... especially when some A hole is shooting at you.

support your troops riiiiggghhttttt.

for any of you troops out there that hasn't had their porno site blocked off yet... http://www.tube8.com and http://www.youporn.com enjoy ... oh BTW there is GAY porn content in those links just in case your into that or if your a republican.

Gayle in MD
05-09-2008, 09:39 AM
LMAO! Naz, where've you been sweetie...good to see you back posting again.

I had my gay guy couple for dinner the other night, and as we were having our after dinner brandy one of them said, "Yeah, it's been a bit hard on our image of late, to be Democratic, we've been feeling illegitimately gay, and considering joining the Republican party to shore up our image!"

Too funny!

Gayle in Md.

hondo
05-09-2008, 09:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see the same ol' gang of lefties here to constantly scan the horizons to defend pornographers wherever decency threatens thier perverted vision. </div></div>

Sorry, Larry, but I have trouble taking anyone's posts seriously who thinks murderers are heroes.

wolfdancer
05-11-2008, 02:58 AM
Well now, that's the problem...nobody takes people seriously...and next thing you know they are shooting up a mall

LWW
05-12-2008, 08:46 AM
What's funny is that they blame the R's when this is a bill signed into law in 1996 by POTUS William Jefferson Clinton in a lame effort to get back in the good graces of radical feminists. Yep, in the story which NONE of leftist brethren chose to actually read.

I don't agree with the law at all, but again ... it is an example of moonbat liberalism gone nuts, and at the first possible opportunity it must be spun into B-B-B-BUT B-B-B-BOOOOSH! as it always must be.

What will they do come 01/09?

LWW

wolfdancer
05-12-2008, 07:02 PM
they's s'posed to be readin the Southern Baptist approved bible, when they's not getting their a**es shot at..
Here's some useful reading...so far, after using the author's guidelines i have spotted two....here...

Wackos (http://www.winningagainstthewackos.com/uploads/wackoPrimer.pdf)

Deeman3
05-13-2008, 07:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">they's s'posed to be readin the Southern Baptist approved bible, when they's not getting their a**es shot at..
Here's some useful reading...so far, after using the author's guidelines i have spotted two....here...

Wackos (http://www.winningagainstthewackos.com/uploads/wackoPrimer.pdf) </div></div>

<span style="color: #CC0000"> Whew, close one, i only got 8 out of 10! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</span>

DickLeonard
05-13-2008, 08:08 AM
Deeman I need more investigation, I did see shades of me in there. Of course anyone who devotes their life to hitting a little ball around a table has lost sight of the Grand Scheme of Life.

Some of our more likeable posters did very well. Especially those that like to dominate with their speedy typing and one line posts.####