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Vagabond
05-25-2008, 11:05 AM
to shoot themselves in the foot.They have a wonderfull opportunity to win the white house but they blew it by nominating an unelectable guy- Mr.Barak Hussein Obama.what a sad day.
If Hillary`s name is not on the ballot I am not going to Vote.
Hillary can beat that old coot any time but that skinny guy from chicago can`t.

LWW
05-25-2008, 11:25 AM
Welcome to American politics.

LWW

Vagabond
05-26-2008, 09:40 PM
thanks.
It is unfortunate that we are going to have a republican again in the white house.very sad.

sack316
05-26-2008, 10:50 PM
What's unfortunate is that there is probably not a single individual at the forefront of American politics that has a clue.

I tell you what, though... I've always liked and respected Ben Stein... and the more I hear him talk the more I gain for him. And not just because he is a fellow republican/conservative, he's a fellow realist as well that's as quick to bash a righty as he is a lefty. He knows his stuff on so may things... where is a Stein-like candidate out there somewhere? I'd vote for that candidate regardless of what "affiliation" he claimed.

Sack

LWW
05-27-2008, 03:03 AM
Why?

The last 2 D's gave us:

- The Islamic Republic of Iran as a replacement for a long term ally.
- A nuclear North Korea.
- Involvement in Afghanistan.

which are all messes we are still trying to straighten out.

LWW

Vagabond
05-27-2008, 06:58 AM
you have bad asses in both the parties.who is benstein anyway?

MAC
05-27-2008, 09:35 AM
Obama Explains National Anthem Stance

Hot on the heels of his explanation for why he no longer wears a flag pin, presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama was forced to explain why he doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.


According to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171, During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart.


'As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides,' Obama said. 'There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing. ' If that were our anthem, then I might salute it.'

Obama is a socialist scumbag, how could anyone vote for that idiot? I would not let him be a bathroom attendant.

Deeman3
05-27-2008, 09:46 AM
Mac,

Did he really say that?

Gayle in MD
05-27-2008, 09:54 AM
Could you provide us with a link, and some documentation for this post?

Thank you,
Gayle in Md.

MAC
05-27-2008, 10:02 AM
I dont know if he really said that. However I did know it would stir some folks up. This was just an email I received from some rightwingers, I wouldnt doubt it to be true though.

Gayle in MD
05-27-2008, 10:05 AM
One would think you would have identified it as just an E-mail from the start, in that case.

Was this e-mail from any particular organization, or just one of those ramdom bs right wing e-mails that end up passing for news?

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
05-27-2008, 11:04 AM
OK, if it helps anyone, here it is from Snopes website (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp). I honestly do not believe the man refuses to hold his hand over his heart during the pledge.

eg8r

MAC
05-27-2008, 12:03 PM
Gayle, had I identified it as a email from the start it wouldnt have gotten you all stirred up looking for arguments. Where would the fun be in that??

wolfdancer
05-27-2008, 12:11 PM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

Vagabond
05-27-2008, 10:10 PM
Hillary can beat that old coot from the kayotee country.obama can`t.All my redneck brothers are going to flood the polling booths if Obama is the candidate of democratic party.

eg8r
05-28-2008, 06:42 AM
I really don't think it matters who is elected, all three candidates are worthless and we will continue to have to same Washington BS that we are already have.

eg8r

Deeman3
05-28-2008, 07:17 AM
Ed,

Very true. I think now, the only good thing that can happen is if McCain gets in and they fight like hell for four years, at least saving a little in spending, not being able to agree on every dollar they want to beat us out of.

eg8r
05-28-2008, 12:24 PM
I don't really see how any of them would actually save us any money. McCain wants to open the borders for an influx of illegals which are already costing us billions.

There is not one single good candidate. What a disgrace.

eg8r

Vagabond
06-01-2008, 08:56 PM
I was disappointed with the decisions made by the DCC`s rules committee yesterday.I do not think it brings the unity among the democrats.
Democrats are again handing the presidency to the Republicans.

Deeman3
06-02-2008, 07:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vagabond</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was disappointed with the decisions made by the DCC`s rules committee yesterday.I do not think it brings the unity among the democrats.
Democrats are again handing the presidency to the Republicans. </div></div>

<span style="color: #66FFFF"> In a way, they set themselves up for failure in resolving this with one candidate, who can't now win the primary against one who can't seem to lose a state now. All the hate between these two camps went a little further than the DNC wanted or will admit.

They had to punish the offending states but could not throw them out completely. If they did not "punish" them, in four years every state would move up their primary. At least, now there is a possibility this will go to the convention as a fight. I think most of the SD's will fall into line by mid-week but with Hillary you never know. I do think everyone is tired of the whole mess by now as you could see with the low turnout in PR.

The problem, now Obama is losing in every segment, poor, rich, white, working, old maids, everything but blacks. </span>

pooltchr
06-02-2008, 06:53 PM
Dee,
I think it will all be over tomorrow. I'm betting Hillary's press conference is to drop out and concede to Obama.
Steve

Deeman3
06-03-2008, 07:29 AM
Steve,

I don't know. It's not at all like her to leave without burning the whole house down. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I think she is trying to parlay the votes she got into a good deal for her, maybe a Supream Court gig or Defense Secretary. I don't think they can stand Bill on the ticket for the general so Obama will proabaly buy her off with another position. Also, if she were VP he'd be more nervous than JFK watching out for Johnson, and we remember how that turned out. Vanity Fair is going after Bill and he'll probably have to release his library donor's list which might embarrass the ticket as well.

I do think Obama has done a pretty decent late job on abandoning his church and he can't really withstand any Clinton shenanagans and still get the election.

Hillary can sell off the pantsuits and pay her bills with Obama's magnanimus help and we are set for the fall election. The press will gather, as ususal, behind the Democratic ticket and we will have a close contest, I think. As I have said, it matters so little to me as all three candidates are the absolute worse we have seen in any election since Hoover. My blood pressure will not get above normal for the entire season as there is nothing to get excited about in either party.

Gayle in MD
06-04-2008, 11:57 AM
I wasn't looking for arguments, I was looking for some documentation, but I don't think righties have that word in their vocabulary.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
06-04-2008, 12:19 PM
Vagabond,
How's it going, friend?

Well, I was surely enraged over what they did. In fact, I have never witnessed anything as bad as what I've seen during this campaign.

The press endorsed Obama from the start. They have twisted, slandered, and harped on every tidbit that they could patch together against the Clintons. Hillary was clearly their best shot, and yet the Democrats all jumped early on the band wagon for Obama.

Of Course, there were quite a few, who did not, and stayed with Hillary throughout.

I don't like Obama, and can't stand his wife, so I surely will not be getting any pleasure out of this election, but, I surely know that this country cannot survive another Republican president, especially one who supports Bush's policies, and tax cuts, and McCain, has other issues which make him far too dangerous to be at the helm.

I have not decided if I can actually go into a booth and vote for Obama. Hillary was definitely dissed by some in her own party, and by the press, and that is really a terrible shame, since I do believe that she would have made a very good president, and had outshined the other two, both McCain, and Obama, throughout the campaign, both in her knoweldge, energy, determination, and in her intellect and mental quickness, a full command on the issues. This is a great loss for our country, and I blame the old line Democrats, and the press, more than anything else.

This morning, there were many blacks calling in on C-Span, dissing the blacks who did not support Hillary, saying that obama wouldn't even be where he is if not for the work done by the Clinton's, and how the blacks had abandoned the best friends they ever had. I think there is a lot of truth to that.

I know only one thing for sure, we CANNOT chance McCain in the White House. That would be absolute disaster for the country, and as much as I dislike Obama, and his wife, nothing could be worse than McCain. I may just have to go out and vote for Obama. I am hoping that he asks Hillary to run with him, so that atleast she would be around to work on the programs to which she has been so devoted for most of her life.

McCain, would be just another Republican out to benefit the rich, on the backs of working people, and there is no hawk, like a mentally ill hawk, and that is exactly what he is. His on-going lies about Iraq, should be indicative enough as to his dishonesty, and his general demeanor is so obviously fake, I don't see how he could be a threat, given that we all know that he supports all things Bush, including torture.

Sexism, is a much greater problem in this country than I realized. This campaign has been a sad thing to watch, and I have lost respect for many people I formerly admired, and gained some new heroes, in the process.

Gayle in Md.

Vagabond
06-05-2008, 12:03 AM
[saying that obama wouldn't even be where he is if not for the work done by the Clinton's, and how the blacks had abandoned the best friends they ever had. I think there is a lot of truth to that.
Gayle in Md.

[/quote]

majority of blacks betrayed the Clintons.I ain`t going to vote for Obama if hillary is not on the ticket as VicePresident

eg8r
06-05-2008, 08:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The press endorsed Obama from the start. They have twisted, slandered, and harped on every tidbit that they could patch together against the Clintons. Hillary was clearly their best shot, and yet the Democrats all jumped early on the band wagon for Obama.
</div></div>This is because no one wants the clintons back for another round. Even if she was their best shot it would not matter, they don't like working WITH her. What makes you think it would get better if they had to work FOR her. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know only one thing for sure, we CANNOT chance McCain in the White House.</div></div>Don't be too worried we already know that you have your excuse in place.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I was surely enraged over what they did. In fact, I have never witnessed anything as bad as what I've seen during this campaign... They have twisted, slandered, and harped on every tidbit that they could patch together against the Clintons....This is a great loss for our country, and I blame the old line Democrats, and the press, more than anything else.
...I know only one thing for sure, we CANNOT chance McCain in the White House. That would be absolute disaster for the country...McCain, would be just another Republican out to benefit the rich, on the backs of working people, and there is no hawk, like a mentally ill hawk, and that is exactly what he is...Sexism, is a much greater problem in this country than I realized. </div></div>Wow, you really do live in a dark world. It is a shame to see you cannot stop slandering McCain. I guess that makes you feel better because he cannot defend himself on this board.

eg8r

DickLeonard
06-05-2008, 09:18 AM
Eg8r 5 years in a hole doesn't qualify anyone for President. His neighbor lived 1 mile from Troy and when he died Sen. McCain sent him a glowing tribute. He kept him from going insane with his pep talks.

Through out the History of America soldiers have turned one minute of Heroism into a life time career. I am sorry but I for one don't think that is Qualification for the Leader of the free World.####

Deeman3
06-05-2008, 09:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DickLeonard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Eg8r 5 years in a hole doesn't qualify anyone for President. His neighbor lived 1 mile from Troy and when he died Sen. McCain sent him a glowing tribute. He kept him from going insane with his pep talks.

Through out the History of America soldiers have turned one minute of Heroism into a life time career. I am sorry but I for one don't think that is Qualification for the Leader of the free World.#### </div></div>

I have to agree as sleeping in the same house with the President of the United States did not qualify anyone for the position. Heck, even dodging bullets didn't help! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

sack316
06-05-2008, 11:06 AM
hmm, only one candidate left out of the previous few posts regarding qualifications. So I'll add: doing... well nothing to this point... doesn't qualify someone for this position either. If I want a great orator I'd probably go for Morgan Freeman or the late Paul Winfield.

Sack

eg8r
06-05-2008, 01:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Eg8r 5 years in a hole doesn't qualify anyone for President. </div></div>Neither did draft dodging and doping it up like your beloved.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-06-2008, 07:53 AM
Dee,
I must say, although I'm sure that you are being facetious, that anyone who would insinuate that sleeping with Bill Clinton in the White House had been Hillary's only political, academic, or policy experience, is surely ignorant to her many accomplishments, including her stats from her college years, her activism throughout her life in the interest of women, children, and foreign policy, and her work as a young woman in the legal profession, and in Washington D.C., during the Watergate investigations.

I am really disgusted with the sexist remarks. Hillary Clinton would have been recognized in every arena in which she worked, long before any connections to Bill. In fact, we may never have heard of Bill Clinton, had he not had the good fortune to hook up with Hillary Rodham, who distinguished herself as a brilliant student, activist, attorney, and First Lady long before her successful campaign as a New York Senator, and member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. Now, once again, she has distinguished herself as the first woman to ever even come close to the presidency.

While men may get a big kick out of bashing women, and ignoring their successes, one would think that men with daughters, would think twice before launching into typical sexist bashing of accomplished women, who have worked throughout their lives to achieve respect in their careers. Rest assured, we will never have to defend Laura Bush over sexist attacks on her unprecedented sucesses of a professional woman breaking the barriers for the young girls and business women of the future.

Gayle in Md.

Deeman3
06-06-2008, 08:30 AM
Gayle,

While Hillary has distinguished herself in her education and as an active First Lady, there are many, many women who have accomplished as much or more that have not been able to benefit from the relationship with being married to the President of the United States.

I think it is more than fair to say she would not have had the opportunity to do many of the things she has attempted if not for her being in the limelight with Bill.

There is no way any woman or man, no matter how talented, could have, for instance, taken up residence in a new state and immediatley run for and won a Senate seat. To argue otherwise is foolish.

While many in the mainstream media have been somewhat unfair (Fox was her only friend) your claims that she lost the election because she was a woman is simply not proved out by the facts. If she would not have been who she was, with the ties and money she has, she would not have been in the position to even run for the office.

Face it. She lost the nomination over poor judgement, poorer planning and betting that she could vote moderate in the Senate and still swing the left vote in the primaries. This was not some planned "get Hillary" campaign, it never got that far. She blew the biggest lead and most powerful advanage any candidate ever had by poor management and then playing the race card, the gender card and then, backtracking on all the middle ground she had postured herself beside.

No person, male nor female, can entrench themselves in so many controversies, take so much questionable money, straddle so many issues and then claim "it's certainly not me it must be women haters!" Obama got 92% of the "Black" vote. Hillary got most of the older women, poor voters and people who will never vote for a black man. Obama, to his credit, has not claimed he is failing in those categories, he is going after them for their votes.

Hillary is not liked by many people, on both sides of the political spectrum. It has much less to do with gender than with her slash and burn politics that we have all seen so clearly over the last few months.

My daughters are very successful professional women. They earned it. If they, God forbid, ran for POTUS the percentage that voted against them for hating women would be there as race, gender, hair style and weight always is. Most of it balances out but the hundreds of successful women politicians across the U.S. attest to the fact most are not gender bashed.

It is true that we place higher standards on women for office. Even then, these honest, hard working and gifted women overcome the small percentage of "sexist" voters every day.

Hillary is not upset that a woman won't be elected, she's upset that SHE won't be elected! That's a big difference.

I have agreed with you in cases where she was treated badly by the media. That has such a small effect on the results of the election, it is outdone by the many mistakes she made in a race she took for granted for too long. In fact, many of the very things we cite as being said against her rallied many older women to come out for her, thus benefiting her vote count.

She is remarkable but, unlike many skilled women, simply could not manage a national campaign. That is the reaosn we have them, not to crown someone for being near the powerful and putting up with him for extended periods.

Gayle in MD
06-06-2008, 11:07 AM
Dick,
The more McCain uses the standard Republican fear tactics, even though he doesn't even know who the Supreme Leaders are in the Middle East countries, the better things will be for the Democratics in the Fall.

The country has seen what results the Republican styled blustering, threatening, demonizing of foreign countries have brought to us, and while it may have worked, fooling the public, after 9/11, when the Republicans start to gear up with their next trumped up intelligence so they can complete their on-going Middle East disasters, Americans, fed up with their blustering ignorance, will be ready to go to the voting booth and get rid of all of the Neocon Hawks, like McCain, that put this country of ours into a hole.

For all the Americans that died while Bush's latest political stunt, "The Surge" has failed to produce any political reconciliation in Iraq, I'm sure, now that the Senate Select Committee, has officially found the Bush Administration, and their aides, guilty of skewing the Intelligence that led us into this mess in Iraq, their families will be knocking one another over to vote against John McCain, who has supported every single failed decision made by George Bush, the most dishonest, incompetenct president in history.

McCain, is in the Everglades, today, and I'm wondering what he's telling those people, since he voted against the bill that would have restored the Everglades.

Republicans want to live in the best country in the world, but they don't want to pay the taxes required to run it properly. Hence, Katrina, and probably, soon, the Everglades will be gone, also.

Meantime, we have to read theri stupid posts complaining about earmarks, while Bush burries the whole country in trillions of debt, and the job loss which was released today was the greatest increase since 1986, and I guess we know who the hell was running this country then!

Incredible!

Gayle in Md.