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sack316
05-30-2008, 04:12 AM
... seems to be the approval rating of the current congress

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm

Interesting, no?

Guess it is right when it's said that American's eyes are open and seeing things for the way they are. The vast majority sees the mess we've gotten into... and they also seem to see the changes promised are not being delivered.

Sack

Gayle in MD
05-30-2008, 08:44 AM
Sack,
The Senate was remiss for trusting Georg Bush regarding his promise to go to the UN for approval, no question.

Democrats have not been indicted for wrong doing anywhere near the rate of Republicans, maybe a couple of them, but wow, how many Republicans, everything from toe tapping, to Senate Pages, to politicizing the Department of Justice, to outing covert agents.

This country is fed up with the current Republicans, and this administration. McCain, has proven himself to be just as much a liar as Bush. Regardless of how some people on here use statements from this administration to support all McCain's lies about how things are going in Iraq, and such, we are all aware that this president fill Homeland Security with political appointments, and that appointment after appointment, have been involved in questionable activities, breakig the law, and being otherwise incompetent.

No one from the right wants to recall that Bush is the one who has made it easier for the illegals to flood across our borders, by cutting the border partrol in huge numbers. he has done nothing to tighten security in our ports, and has overall been a bad president.

Using the abscence of another terrorist attack doesn't hold much weight, either, since while there has not yet been one, terrorist attacks have increased, along with the strength of our enemies, through Bush's policies, and with over four thousand additional American deaths, and over thirty thousand wounded Americans, and more every week, I don't think people can say that Bush has kept Americans safe!

He's a disaster, and the Republicans were crooks. Can Democrats be just as bad, I don't know, I've never seen anything like these last seven plus years before. They may not be perfect, but they're one hell of a lot better than Republicans, IMO.

bin Laden is still free. al Qaeda has franchised. Iran is stronger. And Iraq, is still a mess, with car bombings every other day, and a country in shambles.

Bush is the worst president in history. The worst since Nixon. both Republicans! Both with indictments and convictions at the White House level. Both involved in cover-ups. both used federal agencies to do their dirty work. Both filled their White House, with thugs. You're judged by the company you keep. Bush, says he can't remember if he used cocaine! How damned dishonest is THAT!

Gayle in Md.
Atleast Democrats have given us some oversight.

eg8r
05-30-2008, 10:25 AM
You could not be any more correct. Pelosi has been a complete bust and the American people know (especially after her last pork bill) that she turned out to be no different than what was already there.

eg8r

wolfdancer
05-30-2008, 10:49 AM
Bush is busy rewriting history as we speak. He is making every other flawed President, and crooked administration, from Grant onward....come off favorably, by comparison....
and Ed has unknowingly indicted his own party, by claiming Nancy is no better then her predecessor, and knocks the small Democratic majority Congress for not undoing the wrong of the past 7 years.

Deeman3
05-30-2008, 12:37 PM
Wolf,

I would agree with you on most of this but I think they have done a poor job, even with their numbers, of bringing any sort of "change" they had promised in 2006. They have thrown up a couple of half hearted attempts to end the war but have been much more active in getting their share of the pork many had missed out on for 7 years. Nancy should have known better than to do the fihy deal, especially of they wanted a "we are different from them." This has highlighted the fact they, despite being a minority, have more earmarks than the Republicans did.

No, it is business as usual with just different crooks this time. It's funny, but they don't even try to hide it anymore and it is impossible to embarrass them.

"Real Change" has become just a real change faces and just wait until Chicago type politics gets in the mix.

Both sides are doing great, we are the ones who are doomed. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

sack316
05-30-2008, 01:49 PM
Oddly, I think I agree with most everything anyone has said so far. Gayle, I do hope you realize I wasn't attempting to give a "pro Bush" stance there... I simply thought given how much weight is thrown on Bush's low approval ratings, that it was interesting that conress' is actually even lower than that, yet not much is said in that regard.

As I've said numerous times, democrats have squandered a golden opportunity. This is evident by the fact at how closely projected the november election would currently be. I know we have a long way to go, and anything can happen come that time. But really, THIS year at THIS time the democratic primaries should be the foregone conclusion to who will win the white house. Given the state of things, the only question should have been which democrat WILL be president, not who might have the best chance to beat McCain... McCain of all people! At this point, espsecially given the numbers and easy comparisson of McCain to Bush, ANY democrat should be projected at about a 70/30 clip for the general election. That's not the case, and I wouldn't say it's because the right has done a wonderful job of promoting their candidate nearly as much as I'd say the left has failed at their job at this time in our history. Obama (and still possibly Clinton) are gonna need ammo in their talks of change and a new type of government, and unfortunately for them, their colleagues in Congress haven't given them much of that to point to. Either democratic candidate is excellent at talking the talk, but their co-workers aren't allowing them much in the way of proving they can walk the walk.

Gayle was half right in saying that americans are fed up with republicans and the current admin... the rest of the story is that Americans seem fed up with government and politics in this country period... republican or democrat.

Lately I've been wondering what kind of election this will really be. It's been billed as the most important anytime in recent history, the biggest deal in a long long time. Yet I wonder how many people will be voting for their candidate as compared to how many people will simply be voting not for the alternative. What percentage of us will be truly happy either way, regardless who wins it?

I surely hope whoever does win will be willing to take some very unpopular stances in Washington, in order to better things for the rest of us.

Sack

Deeman3
05-30-2008, 02:23 PM
Sack,

You make a good point. This is probably the least important election in many, many years. Just a changeing of the guards for the crooks.

sack316
05-30-2008, 02:27 PM
thanks deeman. Maybe we just need to re-word the whole thing. Something like how it "SHOULD be the most important election in recent history", but will not be due to a lack of any truly promising candidates.

Sack

wolfdancer
05-30-2008, 03:13 PM
as a famous man once said:
"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power."
Corporations now run this country...and in the end "power corrupts........"
The country does need a change in leadership , if only to give us some hope.

Deeman3
05-30-2008, 03:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">as a famous man once said:
"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power."
Corporations now run this country...and in the end "power corrupts........"
The country does need a change in leadership , if only to give us some hope.


</div></div>

Just maybe a change will help the morale of the country at least for the short term. We can probably agree on that. Of course, if you look at any form of government aside from old communism, there is pretty much a lock between the government and business. While neither is ideal, it will be difficult for business to compete with overseas governments who subsidise business. I am not naive enough to think we don't do much the same but at a lower rate. If government becomes totally anti-business, we'll just have to see who pays the bills. The present level of regulation chases enough jobs overseas anyway. I'm not sure how much more we can stand.

Power does corrupt, you are correct. However, power corrupts just as quickly in a left government as a right based one. We clearly have three very corrupt candidates with closets full of skeletons and will be disappointed not matter who wins. Maybe, just maybe by the time Obama, for instance, learns how to gain real power, it will be time for a new election.

Where is a good leader when you need one? You won't find him/her anywhere near Washington.

wolfdancer
06-01-2008, 01:35 PM
That was a quote from Benito Mussolini....
I really don't know how we can compete with foreign labor, and don't understand how the government lets American Companies incorporate "offshore" like in the Cayman Islands.
I have no real knowledge of economics, nor business, but think we had an insular economy for decades, which allowed our wages and COLA to escalate far beyond the rest of other countries, and now we are trying to compete globally with them.
I believe Alan Greenspan, Warren Buffet are correct that a deep, prolonged recession is on the horizon.

LWW
06-01-2008, 06:06 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Democrats have not been indicted for wrong doing anywhere near the rate of Republicans, maybe a couple of them, but wow, how many Republicans, everything from toe tapping, to Senate Pages, to politicizing the Department of Justice, to outing covert agents.

Gayle in Md.
Atleast Democrats have given us some oversight. </div></div>
SORRY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_scandals_of_the_United_States) but that doesn't even vaguely resemble a true statement.

The history of corruption in the democratic party is broad, long, and deep.

Because you tote their water and grant them passes doesn't mean they weren't guilty.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1975-1989
Arizona Governor Evan Mecham (R-AZ) impeached and removed from office 1988, faced with recall, pending criminal charges for illegal financial dealings (of which he was later acquitted), and public outcry over his derogatory remarks about African-Americans and gays, and his cancellation of Arizona's observance of the Martin Luther King holiday (which led to a boycott of Arizona by various groups)
Illinois former Governor Daniel Walker (D-IL) convicted (1987) of wrongdoing in connection with Savings & Loan and sentenced to federal penitentiary
Illinois Operation Greylord, involving influence peddling and bribery of Circuit Court judges (1980s)
Maryland Governor Marvin Mandel (D-MD) convicted of mail fraud and racketeering (1977)
Maryland State Senator Tommie Broadwater, Jr. (D-MD), convicted of food stamp fraud (1983)
Nebraska Omaha Mayor Mike Boyle (D-NE) was recalled in a special election after being accused of misconduct in office (1987)
Nebraska Attorney General Paul Douglas (D-NE) impeached by Legislature for his dealings with the head of a failed savings and loan (1984)
Ohio Summit County Probate Judge James V. Barbuto corruption by trading sexual favors with female defendants for leniency in their cases, exposed on national TV by Geraldo Rivera (1980) (classified here because it was less a Sex Scandal than a "crooked judge" scandal, although Geraldo played up Judge Barbuto's preference for being spanked while wearing women's undergarments)
Oklahoma After his term, Governor David Hall (D-OK) convicted of criminal financial acts committed while in office (1975)
Oklahoma OkScam, or the County Commissioner scandal, a purchasing kickback scandal resulting in the conviction of 200 individuals, including over 2/3rds of the sitting county commissioners, representing 60 of 77 Oklahoma counties (1981-1984)
Pennsylvania State Treasurer Budd Dwyer (R-PA) committed suicide on television before he was to be sentenced on bribery and related convictions (1987)
Tennessee Governor Ray Blanton (D-TN) (1976-1979) lost his reelection bid after exposure of a bribery scandal. Just before leaving office, he issued a large number of pardons to convicted felons, apparently in exchange for bribes. His successor was sworn in ahead of schedule in order to terminate Blanton's issuance of pardons.
Tennessee: Operation Rocky Top, launched in 1986, was a three-year FBI and Tennessee Bureau of Investigation undercover investigation into bribery of state officials and other illegal activities related to charity bingo. It resulted in the December 1989 suicide of the Tennessee Secretary of State, Gentry Crowell (D-TN), and the incarceration of several other politicians, most notably state House Majority Leader Tommy Burnett (D-TN).
[edit]1990-1999
Alabama Governor Harold Guy Hunt (R-AL) convicted of improperly using campaign money and removed from office (1993); received a rare full pardon due to the confession of his accountant, Gene McKenzie (1998).
Arizona "AZSCAM" legislators caught on videotape taking payoffs for favors to gambling figure. Ten members resigned or removed. (1991)
Arizona Governor John Fife Symington III (R-AZ) convicted of fraud (1997)
Arkansas Governor James Guy Tucker, Jr. (D-AR), convicted of fraud conspiracy (1996); See related Whitewater scandal, under Federal-Level Scandals
Arkansas Governor William Jefferson Clinton (D-AR): See Federal-level scandals, which dogged President Clinton
California State Senator and Senate Insurance Committee Chairman Alan Robbins (D-CA) resigned on November 21, 1991, in advance of pleading guilty to federal racketeering charges in connection with insurance-industry bribes.
Florida Katherine Harris (R-FL) is elected to the State Senate in 1994 after receiving at least $20,000 in donations from key Riscorp employees who had been given bonuses specifically to enable their donations. Several other prominent Florida politicians were accused of writing preferential legislation that benefited Riscorp.
Illinois state representative James DeLeo (D-IL) caught in the "Operation Greylord" investigation of corruption in Cook County. He was indicted by a federal grand jury for taking bribes and negotiated guilty plea on a misdemeanor tax offense, and was placed on probation (1992)
Illinois state representative Joe Kotlarz (D-IL) convicted and sentenced to jail for theft and conspiracy for pocketing in about $200,000 for a sale of state land to a company he once served as legal counsel (1997)
Illinois state senator Bruce A. Farley (D-IL) sentenced to 18 months in prison for mail fraud (1999)
Illinois state senator John A. D’Arco Jr. (D-IL) served about 3 years in prison for bribery and extortion (1995)
Illinois Chicago alderman Lawrence S. Bloom (D) sentenced to 6 months in 1999 for filing a false tax return.
Illinois Chicago alderman Jesse J. Evans (D) sentenced to 41 months in prison in 1997 for racketeering, extortion, conspiracy, attempted extortion, mail fraud, influence peddling, filing false tax returns, and obstruction of justice.
Illinois Chicago alderman Virgil E. Jones Jr. (D) in 1999 was sentenced to 2 and a half years in prison for extortion.
Illinois Chicago alderman Joseph A. Martínez (D) in 1998 pleaded guilty to ghost payrolling and was sentenced to 5 months in prison.
Illinois Chicago alderman Ambrosio Medrano (D) pleaded guilty to extortion in 1996 and was sentenced to 30 months in prison.
Illinois Chicago alderman Allan J. Streeter (D) pleaded guilty to extortion and filing false income tax returns and was sentenced to prison in 1998.
Illinois Chicago alderman Fred B. Roti (D) was sentenced to 48 months in 1993 for racketeering, conspiracy, bribery, among other things.
Illinois Chicago judge Thomas J. Maloney Jr. (D) sentenced to almost 16 years in prison for taking bribes, extortion and obstruction of justice in 1994.
Illinois Chicago treasurer Edward Rosewell (D) pleaded guilty to mail fraud but was not sentenced due to an illness that he died from soon after. His conviction was vacated in 1999.
Illinois State Treasurer Jerry Cosentino (D-IL) was convicted on federal check kiting charges (1992).
Kentucky Majority leader Don Blandford (D-KY), of the Kentucky House of Representatives sent to prison for taking bribes in 1992. (approximately 10% of Kentucky's legislature was implicated in this scandal, some took bribes for as little as $100).
Maryland State Senator Larry Young (D-MD) forced out of office despite acquittal on corruption charges (1990s)
Maryland Lobbyist Bruce C. Bereano (D) convicted of mail fraud in connection with campaign contributions (1990s), but later returned to lobbying in Annapolis
Maryland politician Ruthann Aron (R) (Montgomery County Planning Board member and former 1994 Republican candidate for U.S. Senate) who ran on a "tough on crime" platform convicted of hiring "contract" hit man William H. Mossburg Jr., in 1997, to kill her husband and a lawyer (1998)
Minnesota State Senator Sam Solon (D-MN) Pleaded guilty in 1995 to telecommunications fraud for letting his ex-wife make $2,430 in calls on his State Senate telephone line.
Nebraska State Treasurer Frank Marsh (R-NE) convicted of misdemeanor charges for making personal, long-distance telephone calls (1991)
New York highest court Chief Judge Sol Wachtler, scandal involving obsence telephone calls and extortion (1993)
Oklahoma Governor David Lee Walters (D-OK) pleaded guilty to misdemeanor election law violation (1993)
District of Columbia Mayor Marion Barry (D-DC) caught on videotape using drugs in an FBI sting (1990)
[edit]2000-
California Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez (D-CA) was accused on October 10, 2007 of spending tens of thousands of dollars of campaign money for personal expenses, such as $1800 for a meal at a Parisian restaurant and $5000 for wine from Bordeaux
California Insurance Commissioner Chuck Quackenbush (R-CA) resigned on June 28, 2000, rather than face impeachment for campaign-finance violations arising out of insurance-industry settlements after the 1994 Northridge earthquake.
California Secretary of State Kevin Shelley (D-CA) was accused of laundering campaign funds during his race for Secretary of State.
California Senate President Pro Tempore Don Perata (D-CA) was probed by the FBI in 2004 of his business relationships. In 2006, Perata accepted money from Indian tribes while sponsoring a bill to expand Indian gaming. He also was criticized when he called those who opposed giving illegal immigrants drivers licenses and a guest worker program with a path to citizenship "crackers." In May 2007, the East Bay Express, an alternative weekly in the Bay Area, published a two-part investigation of Perata, in which he manipulated liberal causes, such as antiwar sentiment, for his own personal and political gains. He was also accused of using campaign donations to support an indulgent lifestyle, and corruption
Connecticut - In 2004 Republican Governor John Rowland (R-CT) Rowland resigned from office during a corruption investigation, and later pleaded guilty in federal court to a one-count with conspiracy to commit mail fraud and tax fraud.[3] He served ten months in a federal prison followed by four months house arrest, ending in June, 2006.
Florida Orlando mayor Buddy Dyer (D-FL) jailed on suspicions of electoral fraud in March 2005; charges were dismissed in April 2005 and he returned to office. Ernest Page served as interim mayor while Dyer was facing charges. In 2006, Ernest Page (D) was arrested and convicted for bribery and official misconduct while in the mayor's office; he was sentenced to 42 months in prison.[4]
Florida, Senator Gary Siplin (D-FL) was convicted of third-degree felony and grand theft of $5,000 or more for using the state employees for his election campaign (2006)
Georgia Congressman David Scott (D-GA) has expent $52,000 to $344,000 to himself, friends, family and business from campaigns every election cycle since 2002. Shortly after the 2006 election, he was served with an IRS tax lien for over $153,000.[5]
Illinois Chicago alderman Percy Giles (D) sentenced to 3 years in prison for racketeering, extortion, among other things in 2000.
Illinois Chicago alderman Arenda Troutman (D-IL) was arrested and charged with bribery in 2007.
Illinois Chicago City clerk Jim Laski (D) pleaded guilty to pocketing bribes for steering city business to trucking companies (2006).
Louisiana Governor Edwin Edwards (D-LA) convicted of extortion (2000)
Maryland Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller, Jr. (D-MD) telephoning Maryland Court of Appeals Judges ex parte, trying to lobby them not to overturn the unconstitutional redistricting plan he had championed (2002)
Maryland Former Maryland state senator Thomas L. Bromwell (D-MD) was indicted in 2005 on 30 counts of federal racketeering, corruption, and fraud charges, in alleged conspiracy to wield influence to benefit construction company Poole and Kent, in exchange for concealed payments and other favors
Michigan Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick (D-MI) allegedly, along with Chief-of-Staff Christine Beatty, fired two police officers for investigating claims that the Kilpatrick used his security unit to cover up their extramarital affairs, in which they both allegedly lied under oath during a whistle-blower's lawsuit in 2007. He was also alleged to have used his city-issued credit card for expensive travel, his city-leased Lincoln Navigator for his wife and held wild parties involving his security team and strippers at the his mansion through his first 4 years at mayor (2008)
Minnesota Minneapolis city council members Brian Herron (D) (taped by FBI accepting $10,000 bribe in 2001) and Joe Biernat (accepting free plumbing work on house)
Nebraska State Treasurer Lorelee Byrd (R-NE) accused of massive improper check-writing; guilty plea to one misdemeanor charge of official misconduct and resigned in 2006
Nebraska Former Douglas County Election Commissioner Pat McPherson (R-NE) accused of groping a 17-year-old girl wearing Red Robin mascot. City Councilman Chuck Sigerson was accused of disturbing her piece by touching the tail of the costume. Event supposedly happened at 8 P.M. on a Friday night and at the table were two company executives, a Sunday school teacher, Sigerson's wife, and the wives of the executives. McPherson was acquitted and the jury voted to acquit Sigerson 4-2, so the prosecutor dismissed the charges. McPherson resigned from his position at the Governor's request, before the trial and acquittal; Councilman Sigerson was re-elected in 2005.
New Jersey Democratic Governor Jim McGreevey (D-NJ) sex and corruption scandal (2004)
Ohio Governor Bob Taft (R-OH) pleads no contest and is convicted on four first-degree misdemeanor ethics violations (2005)
Ohio Bureau of Workers' Compensation loss of $215 million in high-risk fund run by big contributor to political campaigns, and loss of state funds in $50 million rare-coin investment of prominent campaign contributor (2005)
Pittsburgh City Council Member Twanda Carlisle (D-PA) was sentenced to to 12 to 24 months in prison and ordered to return $43,100 to the city after pleading no contest to three charges of theft by deception, three charges of criminal conspiracy, three charges of violation of Pennsylvania's state Ethics Act, five Election Code violations, and three charges of failing to file required financial disclosures.
Rhode Island Providence Mayor Vincent Cianci (I-RI) convicted of racketeering conspiracy (2002)
Wisconsin Caucus Scandal (2002)
Tennessee State Senators John Ford (D-TN), Kathryn Bowers (D-TN) and Ward Crutchfield (D-TN) are accused of bribery among other charges in Operation Tennessee Waltz scandal (2005)
Washington Spokane Mayor James West (R-WA) an opponent of gay rights, denied accusations of having molested two boys while he was a sheriff’s deputy and Boy Scout leader in the late 1970s and early 1980s, but came under investigation (2005) for offering municipal jobs to men he met in gay online chat rooms. West was ousted in a recall vote December 2005.
New Jersey State Senator and former Newark Mayor Sharpe James (D-NJ) James is accused of numerous corrpution charges including, mail fraud, conspiracy, wire fraud and using city money to boost his salary and pension and to pay for his numerous sexual affairs. (2007)
New Jersey State Senator Wayne Bryant (D-NJ) pension padding, no-show jobs, mail fraud, wire fraud and bribery. (2007)
Pennsylvania State Senator Vincent Fumo (D-PA) indicted on 139-counts of mail fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy, obstruction of justice and filing a false tax return. Two staffers were arrested and indicted on charges of destroying electronic evidence, including e-mail related to the investigation. (2007)
Pennsylvania State Senator Gerald LaValle (D-PA) under investigation for nearly $50,000 in "unauthorized" compensation paid to his wife Darla by a non-profit funded by state grants. (2007)
Pennsylvania Former State Representative Linda Bebko-Jones (D-PA) and chief-of-staff charged with forging nominating petitions and submitting the fraudulent forms to the Secretary of the Commonwealth. (2007)
Pennsylvania Former State Representative Frank LaGrotta (D-PA) plead guilty to 2-counts of corruption for giving away $26,000 of state funds to family members through ghost employment in the 2006 Pennsylvania General Assembly bonus controversy. Sentenced to 6 months house arrest, probation, and fines. (2007)
New Jersey Former State Senator Joseph Coniglio (D-NJ) indicted for abusing state grants, mail fraud and extortion. (2008)</div></div>

Oh, the humanity.

LWW

LWW
06-01-2008, 06:10 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I have no real knowledge of economics, nor business</div></div>
And it shows.

The great depression was brought on by isolationism

The great prosperity was brought about by having the only undestroyed industrial base on Earth after WWII.

It was squandered by leftist policies which punished production and rewarded slackers.

LWW

wolfdancer
06-01-2008, 10:42 PM
I admitted that I am not an economist, but I have studied economy and the depression.....you just gave us an 8th grade take on the matter....and again, trying to pass yourself off as an expert.
What a phony..no wonder you are forced to reply to your own threads, everyone else is left scratching their heads "did he actually write that?"
It's not a sin to be dumb...but then you compound the tragedy, by pretending to be smart....nobody is buying it here, but maybe over at AZB??????

wolfdancer
06-01-2008, 10:55 PM
Gayle, no scandal in history, comes close to what has occurred during this admin

LWW
06-02-2008, 02:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gayle, <s>no scandal in history, comes close to what has occurred during this admin</s> he made us look like partisan water toters again</div></div>

I fixed that for you.

LWW

LWW
06-02-2008, 02:53 AM
Wow ...

I just did a blurry eyed count.

Democrats had a miniscule 57 incidents while republicans had a whopping 13.

Ain't truth a beotch!

LWW

eg8r
06-02-2008, 07:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and Ed has unknowingly indicted his own party</div></div>There was nothing "unknowingly" at all about my statement. Unlike yourself, I actually think before I type.

As far as knocking the Dem majority, it has nothing to do with undoing the wrong of the past 7 years, rather, IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH NOT DOING ANY DIFFERENT LIKE THEY PROMISED.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-04-2008, 11:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gayle, I do hope you realize I wasn't attempting to give a "pro Bush" stance there... I simply thought given how much weight is thrown on Bush's low approval ratings, that it was interesting that conress' is actually even lower than that, yet not much is said in that regard.
</div></div>

<span style="color: #000066">Then I suppose we should conclude that neither the Democrats or the Republicans are getting high approval ratings, since Democrats have only a razor thin majority?

Those of us who were fed up with the Republican Congress have gotten what we wanted out of this Congress, investigations of illegal bahavior, and the successful removal of several crooks, Gonzales, for one.

While this congress is not getting high approval ratings, predictions are that more seats will go Democratic in the next election. I would say that that ouwld indicate that perhaps, the disapproval ratings are greatly because of the many Republicans which we have not yet had the opportunity to get rid of, wouldn't you?

Again, the right cries about earmarks, while they never mentaion over nine trillion in debt that we are facing due to the Bush Administration, and the Republican Majority which refused to hold them to account for anything, including billions of dollars "Missing" in Iraq. I think the public is well aware of how we got into the many messes we are presently in, and that they will speak with their votes in November.

Gayle in Md.</span>

Gayle in MD
06-04-2008, 11:26 AM
Absolutely! There is much more to come. There is another surprising book to come out soon, which will close the last and worst chapter on Bush's lies, and the Republican legacy of corruption. I just hope it hits right before November.

Even Nixon's administration, probably the most corrupt until Bush came along, pales to this one. Soon, they will have lost all their power, and when that happens, there will be so many more books exposing so much more about this administration, it will make ones head spin!

Also, some of the material which Bush had deep sixed as soon as he crashed the White House, is going to be under more scrutiny, and a number of organizations will be petitioning for it.

The Freedom Of Information efforts will prevail, and when that happens, we'll be learning a lot more about both the Bush's and the bin Laden's, and the Saudi's and even Saddam, all the way back to Reagan. It won't be pretty.

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
06-04-2008, 11:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then I suppose we should conclude that neither the Democrats or the Republicans are getting high approval ratings, since Democrats have only a razor thin majority?
</div></div>Your partisanship has no boundaries. If the ratings were sky high you would be yelling from the hilltops telling us it is because the Dems finally took control. However, since the ratings are worse the W's you want to refer to razor thin majority. Face it pelosi has fallen flat on her face just like your beloved hillary.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again, the right cries about earmarks, while they never mentaion over nine trillion in debt that we are facing due </div></div>Yes and you only mention earmarks when the Reps are in control. Now that the Dems have the control you want to sweep pork under the rug. Pelosi and hillary are big pork abusers but now is not a good for you to mention that. LOL

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-04-2008, 11:44 AM
When we at last have another administration which does not reward Corporate Fascist Pigs for hiding their money in the Carribbean, and sending our jobs overseas, people will finally understand how damaging it is when we have Republican Governments, which promote and protect ONLY the Corporate bottom line, regardless of whether it is best for America, as a whole, or not.

There is a vast difference between being isolationist, and being independent. Independence is what we need more of, not dependence on foreign countries who cheat us left and right on the global market, and global hedge funders, both here and abroad, who sit at their computers in their billion dollar homes, bilking American taxpayers out of their savings and futures, with predatory lending practices, and stuffing it all in their own pockets.

This is what happens when a man like Ronald Reagan removes the safe guards against corporate fascism, and removes the necessary regulations which protect the American taxpayer from corporate thieves. The Republicans are single minded. They can't see the whole picture. A good example of bad finances is allowing China to bilk us for these past eight years on the global market. Our country has been weakened in so many ways by Republican Economics. Republican is just another name for corruption. Just look at McCain, with a campaign full of lobbyists, with connections for rogue countries, who are our enemies in fact.

The recession is breathing down our throats. I don't believe we are getting the real numbers on growth. Bush is probably fudging that, too.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
06-04-2008, 11:53 AM
Small minded people, focus on insignificant issues.

I don't read Ed, anymore, since you clued me in on the ignore function. I don't have to. He's given us seven years of insignificant posts about petty bs that aren't even a blip on the screen of colossal disasters created by bush, et al.

BTw, McCain has got to be the absolute worst speaker, other than Bush, to ever address this country,

He is so obviously FAKE, it's actually funny watching him. When he tries to force a smilw, I have to laugh out loud! I watched his speech with jim last night, and we were both in stitches.

The man was really bad, and you could tell, he had practiced that speech, over and over, but there was not a hint of honesty about him. He's a fake.

Gayle in Md.

sack316
06-04-2008, 12:43 PM
The earmarks are an issue only because of how democrats used it as an example of wasteful republican spending in order to gain that razor thin majority (and presumably a larger majority soon) you speak of. People like myself only continue to point them out because of that... it was SUCH a big deal in a republican house, yet now it suddenly doesn't seem like it's such a huge waste... why is that?

The low apporval ratings go both ways, and deservedly so IMO. Low apporval for republicans because they've (we have) screwed a lot of sh*t up... low approval ratings for democrats because the change they promised to gain seats, well they have yet to show any signs of follwing through on that.

Your razor thin majority statement (I'm assuming you say this meaning that congress only gets low approval ratings because there are still a high number of republicans sitting there too) is moot. Using the same links from before, you can break down approval of republicans and democrats in congress:

Republicans sit at a nice 20% approval rating

Democrats dominate that number, with a hefty 23% approval rating

I hope that Americans are not as wide eyed and aware only when disapproving of Bush, the newly enlightened people you've spoken of before seem to follow my old post of how "everybody sucks" moreso than they believe in all this "change".

Now don't get me wrong, if the left wins the white house and a strong majority in Congress and runs with the ball all the way to the goal line, I'll be happy as can be. I want what's best for this country, no matter who it is that's doing the job. I simply see no signs of anybody from either side doing the job anytime soon... and the only signs of change I see are the changing of nameplates and replacing the little "R" with a "D".

Sack

Gayle in MD
06-05-2008, 06:35 AM
Well, let's hope we see some changes. I think we have already seen changes, but then, I watch every investigation, and recall that we have gotten rid of several thugs, and we are still investigating the Bush administration's politicization of the Department of Justice, and the firing of the attorney general about whom the story "A few Good Men" was written, David Ignacious, whose testimony should leave no doubt whatsoever, about how corrupt George Bush, and Karl Rove, and the rest of the thugs, really are.

Earmarks are nothing compared to lost billions, and devastating debts which our kids will be paying for for a long long time. Those debts, are nothing, compared to all the young American Patriots, who lay qauietly in their graves today, due to a shameful President who pushed this country into war, on trumped up intelligence.

Atleast, some Americans get some benefit from earmarks. they do provide money for various localities, assistance to people who actually live here, and state needs, and civilians, who are Americans. Yes, they should be limited, but I'd sooner see my money spent on re-building this country, and assisting businesses which stay here, and provide jobs, than to see it spent on re-building Iraq, or pumping up corporate thieves who have bilked Americans out of their hard earned money.

Our Government isn't perfect by any means, but it's the best damned government in the world. Too bad that Republicans see their own government as the enemy. I've known too many dedicated federal employees in my lifetime to think that way. Unfortunately, most of them were axed for incompetent, political appointee, cronies of George Bush, and the Republicans, and hence, from what I hear lately, Washington D.C. is barely functioning under the Bush Administration.

Bashing Nancy Pelosi is a real cop out. She has implimented pay-go, raised the minimum wage, and pressured the Iraqis to get off their asses and perform. The Democratic led Congress, has provided oversight, for the first time since George Bush crashed into the White House. I'm very happy with their work, after what I watched for over ten years under Republican Lead. Forty million plus dollars wasted on snooping into a man's sex life, as one example. Republicans prove, everytime they get the power, that they damage this country, hurt the middle class, assist the wealthy thieves, corporate crooks, and let's not forget that Bush flew into the presidency, on an Enron Jet.

I may not be brilliant, but I'm not stupid enough to vote Republican! I didn't hearany complaints while Dennis Hastard was protecting and covering up for pedophiles....I don't think I've seen Nancy do anything as bad as that! There is something very sick about these Republican "Christians"!

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
06-05-2008, 08:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The earmarks are an issue only because of how democrats used it as an example of wasteful republican spending in order to gain that razor thin majority (and presumably a larger majority soon) you speak of. People like myself only continue to point them out because of that... it was SUCH a big deal in a republican house, yet now it suddenly doesn't seem like it's such a huge waste... why is that?</div></div>You will probably not ever get a direct answer to this. Back when gayle was manning up and actually responding to my posts she said, "I was never making a big deal about earmarks", her revisionist history knows no bounds.

eg8r

eg8r
06-05-2008, 08:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Earmarks are nothing compared to lost billions, and devastating debts which our kids will be paying for for a long long time. Those debts, are nothing, compared to all the young American Patriots, who lay qauietly in their graves today, due to a shameful President who pushed this country into war, on trumped up intelligence.</div></div>Looks like you proved me right. You sidestepped the question. Typical of the queen sheep.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I may not be brilliant, but I'm not stupid enough to vote Republican!</div></div>I don't think anything positive can come from a session where we identify your level of stupidity. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r