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sack316
06-05-2008, 12:10 AM
I guess we can't do polls on here, so we'll just do this the old fashioned way. I'll do the question, you can answer, and we will all argue /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Anyway, "As of right now, I plan on voting for..."

A)Obama
B)McCain
C)NOT Obama
D)NOT McCain
E)Not Voting
f)NOT Obama or McCain

think that kinda covers it.

Sack

LWW
06-05-2008, 02:45 AM
C.

LWW

sack316
06-05-2008, 04:23 AM
oops, guess i should answer my own poll too /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I also currently choose C.

Sack

hondo
06-05-2008, 05:25 AM
A because of D.

llotter
06-05-2008, 06:16 AM
F (reminds me of my report cards)

eg8r
06-05-2008, 08:41 AM
I will be voting F.

eg8r

Deeman3
06-05-2008, 09:16 AM
Perhaps F, maybe B, we shall see.

eb_in_nc
06-05-2008, 09:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will be voting F.

eg8r </div></div>

Isn't voting F effectively voting E?

Deeman3
06-05-2008, 09:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eb_in_nc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will be voting F.

eg8r </div></div>

Isn't voting F effectively voting E? </div></div>

I guess one could write in the wicked Witch of the West. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eb_in_nc
06-05-2008, 09:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eb_in_nc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will be voting F.

eg8r </div></div>

Isn't voting F effectively voting E? </div></div>

I guess one could write in the wicked Witch of the West. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

That would be good actually, then Toto can be the VP!

Deeman3
06-05-2008, 09:26 AM
A new question. Would you, if you were Barack, take on the Clinton Clan as your collective VP?

Would you feel "safe" from now to the General Election or more importantly, after the election should you get elected?

Would you have to search them for towels and such after a sleep over at the White House?

Who would get the concession on the rental of the Lincoln Bedroom?

Who would really answer the phone at 3:00a.m. ????

moblsv
06-05-2008, 09:30 AM
A)Obama

nAz
06-05-2008, 10:13 AM
leaning towards A.

I think you should have added GWB, Im sure a few here would vote for him again.

anyway no matter who wins. just like i did for GWB i will support them for as long as i see they are doing right.

bsmutz
06-05-2008, 10:31 AM
Given my apolitical nature, I'm going with E.

Deeman3
06-05-2008, 12:27 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bsmutz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Given my apolitical nature, I'm going with E. </div></div>

<span style="color: #C0C0C0">

You are probably making the right choise and will have a lot less heart burn than the rest of us. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span>

eg8r
06-05-2008, 01:08 PM
If that is how you view it.

eg8r

eg8r
06-05-2008, 01:11 PM
With all the people that started dropping like flies around the Clintons it could be life threatening for Obama to tell them no.

eg8r

hondo
06-05-2008, 02:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A new question. Would you, if you were Barack, take on the Clinton Clan as your collective VP?

Would you feel "safe" from now to the General Election or more importantly, after the election should you get elected?

Would you have to search them for towels and such after a sleep over at the White House?

Who would get the concession on the rental of the Lincoln Bedroom?

Who would really answer the phone at 3:00a.m. ???? </div></div>

No, I wouldn't Big mistake if he does.

Wally_in_Cincy
06-05-2008, 03:06 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A new question. Would you, if you were Barack, take on the Clinton Clan as your collective VP?

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I think not, because he does not need to. He needs an elder statesman to add gravitas (can't believe I used that word - sorry) and there are a few out there. Gephart, Biden, Bayh and others.

I am sure he does not want the Clintons looking over his shoulder and sucking up all the oxygen. Bill is getting crabbier by the day and he is bound to say something stupid.

Wally_in_Cincy
06-05-2008, 03:08 PM
Ill hold my nose and vote for McCain, if nothing else for the Supreme Court nominees.

Barack is a Socialist, pure and simple. Can't vote for that.

Vapros
06-05-2008, 04:50 PM
If we elect Hillary then we also get Bill, and then Monica and what's-her-name who ratted her out and then another of them blue dresses, etc, etc. Enough, already.

If Baracko signs up that family circus, then we will know something else about him. He should have learned, by now, to be careful who he hangs around with.

LWW
06-05-2008, 07:08 PM
Only if he's an idiot.

Bill Richardson will be his pick.

LWW

Deeman3
06-06-2008, 07:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wally_in_Cincy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A new question. Would you, if you were Barack, take on the Clinton Clan as your collective VP?

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I think not, because he does not need to. He needs an elder statesman to add gravitas (can't believe I used that word - sorry) and there are a few out there. Gephart, Biden, Bayh and others.

I am sure he does not want the Clintons looking over his shoulder and sucking up all the oxygen. Bill is getting crabbier by the day and he is bound to say something stupid. </div></div>

Wally!

Good to hear from you old buddy. I think Biden would be his best choice. Of course, I think he was, by far, the strongest candidate the Dems could have nominated. Not crazy, no anti-American friends, years of thoughtful service and sensible. Of course, that in itself disqualified him from the Primary victory.

I see Barack went a callin' on Hillary last night, hat in hand. On a completely different thought level, why would a man who out thought, out foxed and out campaigned her take a woman who incompetently blew the biggest lead in the histry of the Democratic Party through a series of bad judgement and worse moves to be his running mate? That plus all the baggage and that sorrowful "they got me 'cause I'm a woman" whine!

I am considering my earlier proposal of writing in Hillary except like you for the Judicial appointments. BY the way, some of us have said she might get a Supreme Court appointment. What would she do to get by the vetting process? There is not way she could stand the scrutiny they get. It is much tougher than the presidential vetting process and the California case would then come out intot the open on campaign contributions! No way.

My bet is she will have to settle for her likeness on Mt. Rushmore. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I thinnk we should start grooming a Republican woman for the White House. The Democrats are too stuck on Hillary at least 18 million of them. Most of her voters will too old to vote in 2016.

Wally_in_Cincy
06-06-2008, 10:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


Wally!

Good to hear from you old buddy. . </div></div>

Dee,

Sorry I missed you at PettyPoint last April

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w144/Wally-Cincinnati/PettyPorch2-1.jpg

he next day we went to San Antonio for a couple of days

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w144/Wally-Cincinnati/WallyLoneStar.jpg

and then on to South Padre Island for 4 days. SPI was awesome. I would love to go back.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w144/Wally-Cincinnati/023_23.jpg

Take care now

Gayle in MD
06-06-2008, 11:54 AM
Interesting take on the success of the first woman to ever get this close to winning the primary for President.


More people voted for Hillary, than for John McCain, so what does that say about the way he ran his primary? I believe, he was the first person to run out of money, and has a Campaign full of Lobbyists, several in having represented and racked money in from rogue nations.

Now that the bi-partisan Senate Select Committee has made it official, BUSH and Cheney, and Rice, lied to all Americans, that would include Republican Americans, and launched an un-necessary war, which has cost us over forty-one hundred young American lives, over thirty thousand injured, and put us into nine trillion plus dollars of debt, I don't know what could be said about voters who would consider voting for McCain, who helps to spread the lies for this administration t this day.

McCain, who supports torture, after having been tortured himself, and changes his position according to what he thinks his base of sheep wants to hear at the moment.


Bush's lies, which led to the occupation and nation building in Iraq, can no longer be denied, and the resulting debt, and waste has all been documented. McCain supported all of it, voted for all of it, and still denies the lies which surrounded it. The right was wrong about Bush, which is now documented, and I just hope there is an outcry to impeach the SOB. McCain, voted for this mess, supported it throughout, lies about the "Surge" being a success, daily, and doesn't even know who the hell the Supreme leader of Iran, IS, nor the current condition of the Soviet Union!

With no political reconciliation in Iraq, and millions of barrells of oil vanishing into the black market, daily, our current circumstance at the gas pumps, and the just released report on the unemployed, the biggest increase since 1986, hmm, we know who was president, then, right? The very idea that people would vote for McCain, in spite of all the lies and the failures of the very policies which he supports, and lies about to this day, is just incredible!

The purpose of the "Surge" was political reconciliation. There has been none. The "Surge" has therefore, failed. Staying in Iraq, paying Iraqis to stop killing Americans, wasting more money, as our debt grows, and our infrastructure collapses around us here, is completely insane, but then, so is McCain.

I will be voting for Obama. So will most informed Americans, from both sides of the political sphere.


Gayle in Md.

Deeman3
06-06-2008, 12:10 PM
Gayle,

I am struggling to see where your posts offers any comment on the points I made, just attemps to deflect the issue to McCain?

"Interesting take on the success of the first woman to....."

Come on now. You and I know she blew a great opportunity just because of arrogance and poor management skills. Trying to lay more of that off onto the wholesale hate of women is just silly. Even the most adamant of feminists are admitting that.

Yesterday you didn't know if you'd vote for Obama but now, you have decided he is "not so bad." Perhaps, but if he wins simply over women who now feel betrayed by the system, his congregation will continue to contain the fickle among us who make political decisions for all the wrong reasons.

I don't expect you to own up to Hillary's shortcomings or mistakes. It may just make sense to change the subject to Obama and McCain about now rather than adress the issues, like Hillary did. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Gayle in MD
06-06-2008, 12:39 PM
I wasn't changing the subject, I was referring to your points. I don't think anyone can deny that the media demonzied Hillary, throughout her campaign. I am proud that a woman was able to get the huge number of votes that Hillary got in the primary. If the Republicans hadn't pulled a fast one in Florida, she may well have beaten Obama, but regardless, more Americans voted for Hillary, than McCain.

Yesterday Mathews ran a slew of tapes, showing that it was the media, not Hillary, that touted her from the beginning as the Democratic Candidate. Bill Clinton's reference to jackson winning in South Carolina, was nothing more than all media pundits did over and over again, referring to every primary according to the black/white vote. Yet, Clinton was accused of racism, when he did it.

I don't think Hillary is arrogant, however, how is it you have missed the colossal arrogance of your own party? No public figure has ever shown the arrogance of George Bush, and Dick Cheney.

Any Republican who would broach the subject of voting for political partisan purposes while in the same breath, stating that he will votes for John McCain, is incredibly funny, and illogical, IMO, given the state of this country, and McCain's approval of the war in Iraq.

Hillary, according to your own posts here of late, was the strongest candidate. I don't think you would have stated that, had you really thought that she was not a strong candidate.

I find it illogical that a woman, the first woman, yet, could be accused of running a poor campaign, and making mistakes, given that she won more votes than your own candidate, and more votes, than Obama. At the very least, this Democratic primary was the closest in history, and I take my hat off to Hillary, given that she was saddled with the failures of a man from the start, and yet she was able to produce so much success, in the process of being a true trail blazer for all women. Accusing her of short comings, and mistakes, given that she was the first woman to be taken seriously for the presidency, and performed so well, far better in the debates than any of the men, Republican, or Democratic, is very unfair of you, IMO. Hillary's campaign was a huge success, and will be an example to all women. If you don't think that sexism played a huge role in the way she was treated in the Press, then perhaps, you are one man who feels more comfrotable denying its existance, than acknoweldging the truth.

I don't like Obama, however, and thin he jumped ahead of the rightful, and best candidate, but he is a head and shoulders above John McCain, IMO, a man who was tortured, and backed off his own torture policy in order to et Bush behind his campaign, not to mention what the religious right will do if they get the chance to appoint their religious fanatics to the Supreme Court, turning this country into a religious dictatorship, full of fundalmentalist hogwash.

According to my news, we now have a bi-partisan finding that proves Bush's lies that led us into this mess in Iraq, which McCain has supported throughout. I don't hink most Americans will be running over top of one another to vote for McCain, who is mentally unbalanced, according to some from his own party, and should not even be considered for the presidency.

Obama is not as bad as another four years of Republican FAILLED AND DANGEROUS foreign policies, and a country that would end up being ruled by religious fundalmentalist fanatics whose only purpose in life is denying women the right to make their own choices in their own personal lives. That alone will bring women out to vote for Obama, given that atleast 20% of Republican women support a woman's right to make those private, personal choices, and virtually all Democratic women.

McCain's only hope is another corrupt Republican trickster like Katherine Harris, to "Purge" the voting lists.

Gayle in Md.

sack316
06-06-2008, 01:27 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

McCain's only hope is another corrupt Republican trickster like Katherine Harris, to "Purge" the voting lists.


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I see you've been watching HBO recently instead of C-Span /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Still with the Florida thing? The way I see it, it was a matter of who can F who first (i.e. Bush people wanted things counted one way, Gore wanted another... oddly enough he happened to pick the 4 most liberal counties there). Enough with that already. If not for all the BS and nickeldicking around at the time by both camps... Gore's included... there would have been plenty of time for a full recount anyway. Eh... no matter what I say on that I'd be wasting my breath, neither side will ever agree on that issue. Not in the last 8 years, and not in the next 80 either.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I don't think anyone can deny that the media demonzied Hillary, throughout her campaign.

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Indeed, it sucks going from media darling for most of your professional career to media demonization suddenly. Gotta take the good with the bad, she has no problem using media as an outlet for positivity anytime before... it should never come as a surprise when they turn against ya. It's the media, that's what they do--- male, female, hermaphrodite, black, white, yellow, green or purple. The only difference is in people's opinions... which seems to be demonizing for some and exposing truths for others... depending on who's taking the punishment at the time.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I don't think Hillary is arrogant...

I find it illogical that a woman, the first woman, yet, could be accused of running a poor campaign, and making mistakes...

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Probably not arrogant anymore, and was not so much the last few months. But you've gotta admit that she underestimated Obama, to say the least. He wasn't supposed to have a chance not too awfully long ago, and Clinton was a sure thing. Hell, anyone probably would have the right to be a little arrogant given the situation at the beginning. I wouldn't go as far to say Hillary ran a bad campaign, but she did slip up enough to cost herself. That combined with Obama running a great campaign made her the New England Patriots of the primary... difference being at least the Pats made it to the big game.

I also fail to see the point of pointing out anything about the polular vote totals, in this scenario. First, are you referring to her having more popular vote than Obama when including Michigan? Where he wasn't even on the ballot? Because in that case yeah she got it. Otherwise from what I see I think Obama had it by only 41K... but still had it. Besides that, comparing McCain votes right now to other ones is apples to oranges. Why would there be a big drive for anyone to go out and vote for someone who has had the nomination locked up since way back when Hillary was still the sure thing? Had hillary locked up the nomination (for all intensive purposes as McCain did) months ago, while say McCain and Huckabee fought it out for the entirety of the primary, then it's more likely than not that those figures would be reversed... and still pointless.

Sack

Deeman3
06-06-2008, 01:42 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wasn't changing the subject, I was referring to your points. I don't think anyone can deny that the media demonzied Hillary, throughout her campaign. I am proud that a woman was able to get the huge number of votes that Hillary got in the primary. If the Republicans hadn't pulled a fast one in Florida, she may well have beaten Obama, but regardless, more Americans voted for Hillary, than McCain.

<span style="color: #C0C0C0"> What, now the Republicans are responsible for the Democrat's rules? </span>

Yesterday Mathews ran a slew of tapes, showing that it was the media, not Hillary, that touted her from the beginning as the Democratic Candidate. <span style="color: #C0C0C0"> And she disagreed with that? She didn't use that? Sge didn't believe that? </span> Bill Clinton's reference to jackson winning in South Carolina, was nothing more than all media pundits did over and over again, referring to every primary according to the black/white vote. Yet, Clinton was accused of racism, when he did it. <span style="color: #C0C0C0"> Why would the smartest politician in recent histroy say that in South Carolina. He knew what he was saying. He may be corrupt but he is not dumb!</span>

I don't think Hillary is arrogant, however, how is it you have missed the colossal arrogance of your own party? No public figure has ever shown the arrogance of George Bush, and Dick Cheney. <span style="color: #C0C0C0"> I agree they are very arrogant. It serves them no better than it does Hillary.</span>

Any Republican who would broach the subject of voting for political partisan purposes while in the same breath, stating that he will votes for John McCain, is incredibly funny, and illogical, IMO, given the state of this country, and McCain's approval of the war in Iraq. <span style="color: #C0C0C0">Why should that surprise you? I have always been for the war but with a much more aggressive prosecution of it. I feel McCain will do this but, of course, I have other reservations about him. I have always stated that. </span>

Hillary, according to your own posts here of late, was the strongest candidate. I don't think you would have stated that, had you really thought that she was not a strong candidate.
<span style="color: #C0C0C0">I still think she is by far the strongest canidate but not for the things I beleive. However, being stongest does not mean she did not blow her chances. </span>

I find it illogical that a woman, the first woman, yet, could be accused of running a poor campaign, and making mistakes, given that she won more votes than your own candidate, and more votes, than Obama. <span style="color: #C0C0C0">Rememebr, McCain is not my candidate never has been, he was more your candidate than mine a few years ago. You have to measure the success of a candidate from where they started and how much advantage they wasted. She wasted a lot. </span> At the very least, this Democratic primary was the closest in history, and I take my hat off to Hillary, given that she was saddled with the failures of a man from the start, and yet she was able to produce so much success, in the process of being a true trail blazer for all women. Accusing her of short comings, and mistakes, given that she was the first woman to be taken seriously for the presidency, and performed so well, far better in the debates than any of the men, Republican, or Democratic, is very unfair of you, IMO. Hillary's campaign was a huge success, and will be an example to all women. If you don't think that sexism played a huge role in the way she was treated in the Press, then perhaps, you are one man who feels more comfrotable denying its existance, than acknoweldging the truth.
<span style="color: #CCCCCC">I have said all along she was mistreated by the press, just not enough to cost her the election without her help. I do agree she has done well in debates and other areas outside the day to day campaign. She deserves credit. She does not deserve the White House. I will admit sexism just not allow it to become an excuse for an otherwsie flawed candidate. She did have Bill as her cross to bear but she choose to hold onto it fore the possible positive benefits she MIGHT have seen. </span>
I don't like Obama, however, and thin he jumped ahead of the rightful, and best candidate, but he is a head and shoulders above John McCain, IMO, a man who was tortured, and backed off his own torture policy in order to et Bush behind his campaign, not to mention what the religious right will do if they get the chance to appoint their religious fanatics to the Supreme Court, turning this country into a religious dictatorship, full of fundalmentalist hogwash.
<span style="color: #C0C0C0"> McCain is still opposed to torture. With all that is going on to assault Christians, I don't think there is a danger of the U.S. becomeing a Christian Dictatorship any time soon. Secularists have their Gay rights and abortion on demand, let us have our fredom of worship and all will be well. Besides, you know Hillary could not get confirmed or even by Vetting for that court. </span>

According to my news, we now have a bi-partisan finding that proves Bush's lies that led us into this mess in Iraq, which McCain has supported throughout. I don't hink most Americans will be running over top of one another to vote for McCain, who is mentally unbalanced, according to some from his own party, and should not even be considered for the presidency.
<span style="color: #CCCCCC"> Then if you are right, for once, you'll have Obama and Michel to protect you, if you are from Chicagoland. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</span>

Obama is not as bad as another four years of Republican FAILLED AND DANGEROUS foreign policies, and a country that would end up being ruled by religious fundalmentalist fanatics whose only purpose in life is denying women the right to make their own choices in their own personal lives. That alone will bring women out to vote for Obama, given that atleast 20% of Republican women support a woman's right to make those private, personal choices, and virtually all Democratic women.
<span style="color: #C0C0C0">Then why even worry, sounds like a done deal to me. All those Republican women stumbling over themsleves to vote against McCain, you just can't lose, again. </span>

McCain's only hope is another corrupt Republican trickster like Katherine Harris, to "Purge" the voting lists.
<span style="color: #CCCCCC"> Even you know enough to know this is not true. You have been watching a movie that even the director said was not an accurate representation of fact.

Even though you say you never predicted victory in 2000 or 2004, it sounds like you have this one sewn up. In fact, maybe John McCain will just not bother to run. I do agree, without Hillary on the ticket, Obama may win. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span>



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eg8r
06-06-2008, 02:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will be voting for Obama.</div></div> All that BS just to say this. Are you this long winded in real life?

eg8r

Chopstick
06-06-2008, 02:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think we should start grooming a Republican woman for the White House. The Democrats are too stuck on Hillary at least 18 million of them. </div></div>

How 'bout this one? I always vote for her anyway.


http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/h/9/recall_marycarey_blondes.jpg

sack316
06-06-2008, 03:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I see you've been watching HBO recently instead of C-Span /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Even you know enough to know this is not true. You have been watching a movie that even the director said was not an accurate representation of fact.

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hmm, we both seemed to notice that one!

Sack

sack316
06-06-2008, 03:30 PM
Chopstick,

Mary Carey is sometime quite disgusting, gets screwed up on drugs, has no idea wtf she is doing from day to day, can't decide if she's in or out of porn, makes a public spectacle of herself regularly, among many many other undesirable traits (almost trumping the desirable ones, he he).... basically you're right... she's a perfect candidate in our political system /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Sack

Gayle in MD
06-07-2008, 10:27 AM
REgardless of what you say about Florida in 2000, the fact is that the Secretary of State purged as many as 20,000 voters from the voting list. And Democratic Voters were sent to the wrong polls, and turned away, and Al Gore won the populat vote. George Bush was appointed president by his dadas friends. The fact that Harris was the Republican Campaign head in the state of Florida, and stopped the re-vote, was overturned by the Florida Supreme Court, and then overturned again by Scalia, and other Republican Appointed SC Justices, with an uprecedented statement that it would be a one time ruling, not to be seen as a ruling that could be used in future applications, tells the story. That Florida election will never ben seen as anything but what it actually was, a thrown election, where Republicans purged legal voters, and caused mayhem, diliberately, to stand in the way of a re-vote.

McCain's campaign was going bankrupt back when Hillary was the predicted front runner, and those predictions came from the media, which then accused her of being presumptuous for buying into the logic which they themselves presented to the country.

I do not like Obama. He used dirty tricks, behind the scenes. I truly do not know for sure if I can actually vote for him. I am trying the best I can, to wipe the distaste I presently have for the Democratic party, Barack Obama, and the racist segment of black voters I have observed these past months, and although I have absolutely no doubt that Hillary was the strongest Democratic candidate, I know as well, for sure, that McCain would destroy what is left of our democratic principles, and throw us into nuclear disaster. I suppose, I will have to vote for Obama. Atleast, he seems to believe in trying to solve our urgent issues, left over from the disasterous Republican Policies of Reagan, Bush one and two, at the conference table, instead of rushing into wars and using fear, threats and demonization of other nations, in order to scare Americans into voting against their own best interests.

McCain has emotional problems. He should never be considered for the presidency, as several Republicans have already stated.

I also will be disgusted with having to read, and hear about a philosophy, spread around by Republicans, who want to live in the greatest country in the world, launch war after war, and leave all the costs to their children and grand children, without paying enough taxes to cover their philosophies, while they accuse people who think that in America, people should not have to die just because they cannot afford to pay for health care, and feed their children. Socialism is not being a compassionate patriot, who cares about the needy, the ill, and the old. And it surely isn't about neglecting our own brave troops, once they finally can come home from a war that should never have been fought, and which they were decieved into fighting, in the first place.

Osuma bin Laden, is still free. He is the man who led the terrorists who atttacked the United States Of America. McCain is the man who approved of fighting the wrong war, in the wrong place at the wrong time, which has worsened our nation from its economy, to its ability to defend itself, to its ability to influence the rest of the world, as a leading nation. Republicans, are destroying this country, removing our rights, and using lies, and insane fundamentalists to do so.

Given all that, and the policies of Republicans in the past, which led to the rise in the Hate America philosophy, I may have to vote for a man I can't stand, in order to use my vote to stop another lying, incompetent, hawk Republican flip flopper out of the White House.

Gayle in MD
06-07-2008, 10:41 AM
I take issue with three of your statements.

1. I have never been for McCain.

2. The director of the movie "Recount" stated that it was factually correct on every point, but the dialog was not exact. The events, however, were accurate.

3. You, and another poster, can't recall who it was, right now, maybe Sack, are incorrect about McCain's position on torture. He backed off his own legistlation. check out his vote, or lack thereof.

To say that the press and the male misogynists had nothing to do with Hillary's demise, is both foolish, and inaccurate. As a business owner, and a frmer Real Estate Agent, and having promoted internationally, all over the world, for which we hold a patent, I do know the power of advertising, and marketing. The constanct bashing of Hillary, and Bill Clinton, skewing and twisting statements which were truly benign, and which were among the same statistics used by pundits on every cable channel, both huge reasons why she lost.

Had Republicans in Florida, not pulled a fast one, changing the date of their primary, and breaking the rules, Hillary Clinton, would, IMO, have won this election. However, Democratic voters have brought more voters than we have ever seen before out to vote, and their supreme concern is to keep John McCain out of the White House, and prevent more damage to our country, our rights, and our future due to Republican Policies which are the reason why our country is facing the damaging political, economic and foreign affairs circimstances which we presently face.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in Md.