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SpiderMan
07-09-2008, 10:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZprtPat1Vk

pooltchr
07-09-2008, 07:08 PM
More accomidations for the illegal immigrants! At one time, it was required to learn English to become a citizen here. Now, he wants us to learn Spanish for them. BS!!!!!!!!!!!!
If I go to Mexico and can't speak Spanish, should I be able to demand they learn my language so I can preserve my culture? Ain't gonna happen folks!
Immigration is what made this country great. Illegal immigration is what is going to bring it down! I'm still pi$$ed when I call a phone number and have to choose the language I want to use. This is AMERICA! WE SPEAK ENGLISH! DEAL WITH IT!!!
Steve

mike60
07-09-2008, 09:55 PM
Steve, What is your damage? Learning a new language is good for you. Better you learn French first. Then all the others just fall inline.

mike666

pooltchr
07-10-2008, 04:25 AM
Learning anything is a good thing, including a new language. I just resent someone telling me I HAVE to do it, and I certainly resent the reason being that it is becoming necessary because we have so many people living here who can't speak OUR language!
Steve

Qtec
07-10-2008, 04:54 AM
Geez, you guys!
Obama was only saying that that Americans should learn another language.
Considering that there is a whole continent next door that mostly speaks Spanish, you border country Mexico speaks Spanish and there are millions of Spanish speaking people already in the USA, Spanish would seem like a good choice .

Q

Deeman3
07-10-2008, 07:09 AM
Spanish is a good choice. Otherwise you can't tell them where to water the lawn.

However, soon it will be required nd that is not right. First American kids should be forced to learn English and we are a long way from that.

Chopstick
07-10-2008, 09:09 AM
Language studies are already offered in high school. To require this from a school system that currently cannot produce graduates with basic literacy is nothing short of blatantly stupid.

Now if he had said we need to reform and improve the educational system, I would be all for that. If he had said all children should be required to learn C language, I would be all for that. What's more important? Talking to the illegals who moved in down the street or the foundation language of all of the technology we are surrounded by and interact with every day of our lives.

So to you Mr Obama I say you ghnu dit! (Vietnamese for dumba$$)

sack316
07-10-2008, 10:50 AM
In order to graduate high school some ten years ago, I had to take a full year of a foreign language (with another semester optional as an elective). In college, three semesters (or 9 credit hours) was required (again, with further study optional including the option to study abroad.

Now considering that I live in good ol' Prattville, Alabama... and went/go to college in Montgomery, AL, and the fact that I'm sure you all know where we rank on the educational scale-- I'd dare say some kind of foreign language is pretty much a requirement already. And I know graduation requirements have gotten a little stricter since I was in school as far as what classes are required (although we actually eased up on the exit exam to boost our numbers). I don't know, but I'd assume most other states are probably a little more stringent and enlightened than my home state is. So I'd guess, in a sense, that at least the study of a foreign language is already pretty much a requirement for most of the nation. I could be wrong, that's just what I'm guessing considering that the "athlete" high school of central Alabama requires it.

That said, I'm kinda with Deeman and Chipstick on this one... let's work on the educational system we have right now first. I've learned more on my own during my dropout of college years than I ever did in any school. I've had kids working for me over the years that I've watched graduate college and get their degrees in whatever, that are about as dumb as a bag of rocks. When I see that, I'm happy for them and their personal accomplishments... and at the same time saddened that both a high school AND a University gave them a piece of paper that says "here ya go, this person is ready for the world".

Let's make sure our people know that it's supposedly and not supposebly before they learn the key irregular verbs of espanol.

Sack

mike60
07-10-2008, 02:13 PM
The way our education system is set up kids are glad to survive and get a job and get paid for their time instead of having to attend school and not get paid. That said,
it is ignorant to be against learning anything. Don't worry about Obama making them
learn Spanish or Chinese most of them will resist and cut class to smoke cigarettes
out back. Not much will change.

mike60

eg8r
07-10-2008, 02:40 PM
I agree to a point. Forcing education, any education, on the current and future crop of students is not going to make any difference. The only way a change will make a difference is when parents decide to step up and take some responsibility for their children and their education. Parents need to quit looking at our educational system as a day care and more as an "educational system." /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I don't see anything wrong with learning a new language, even if it was a requirement in school. I certainly have no problem with learning a foreign language as being a requirement for my children and I look at that as a serious advantage over those student's whose parents will fight it. Heck, I even learned a little German when I learned ABAP. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r

mike60
07-10-2008, 03:02 PM
Oh damn. Now i suppose i have to show some contrition towards Ed for a balanced and reasonable post. Hat Tip.

mike60

sack316
07-10-2008, 03:13 PM
just to be clear, I'm not against learning anything. I think the more you know the better. But to my knowledge foreign language is already a requirement. That's all i was saying.

And don't get me started on the parent thing. You can look back through some of my posts and get my thoughts on that (which BTW is in total agreement with both of ya) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Sack

pooltchr
07-10-2008, 07:01 PM
I've been giving the education system some thought lately. Our local school system is cutting 331 jobs from the budget because the county commission only increased their budget by $10M over last year, and not the $28M they wanted! The jobs being cut are K-3 elementary teachers and high school assistant principals. Yet, somehow, they have enough money to run one school where everything is in spanish! They also have enough to run "alternative" schools for those who "have a difficult time adjusting to regular school life". Our school superintendent is a freaking idiot!

When I was in high school, the assistant principal was the one who handled all the discipline issues. We had 86 instances of students assulting school staff last year, and this guy wants to eliminate the guys who try to keep it under control. (He's also cutting back on the school security staff!)

We still have the majority of kids who want to get that FREE education the taxpayers offer them. We have a minority who have no interest in learning anything, and just want to cause trouble. So here's my plan:

Cut out the alternative schools. Kill off the spanish elementary school (what are those kids going to do when they hit middle school and still haven't learned English? Will we need an all Spanish middle school? And then an all Spanish High School?) Anyway, I think we should make school optional. If kids want to fight, attack teachers, bring drugs or weapons to school or anything else other than get an education, we should invite them to leave and not return. This leaves the schools for those who want to get an education.
Yes, there will be some who just go out on the streets and get in trouble, and will probably end up in the criminal justice system. But most of them will end up there anyway, so it doesn't matter whether they go to school or not.
Now here's the brilliant part. Our schools presently spend $63 per student per day to provide this "free education". Our jails spend about $36 per day to house inmates. The way I see it, we can make our schools safer for our kids and the school staff, and save the taxpayers some serious money at the same time.

Enforce the rules at school.
Enforce the laws.
Let people decide whether they want an education or a life on the street. They are already deciding anyway, we just need to let them have the benefit of living with the results of their choices.

Our generation has done a really rotten job of raising our kids. We let them do what they want, forgot about discipline, and don't seem to care about education any more. Maybe the time has come to stop forcing kids to go to school, if they don't care about an education. As the old saying goes, "you can lead a horse to water..."

Steve

sack316
07-11-2008, 04:00 AM
Steve, that reminds me of something that happened with my Mom a few years back. For years she was a volunteer at the schools. She did a good job, and was eventually offered a low paid position in the office, which was fine with her... it's what she was doing anyway, and at least now she'd make a few bucks for it. So anyway, a few years go by and it's time for some budget cuts. Unfortunately hers and one other position were gonna have to go, which totalled about 16K in cuts for the two positions combined. Again, that's not a huge problem, it happens... sometimes cuts do have to be made. The dumbass part of it, was that right after that, they hire in an ASSISTANT football coach at 22K/year... actually increasing the payroll by 6 grand!

So then we're 2 office workers short... but hey, we've won a few state championships... which I am very proud of actually... just not so much proud in the way they happened. But then again, for those who don't know, that's public school in the south. For some football is a way of life... I guess for us football is life /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Sack

Deeman3
07-11-2008, 07:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Our generation has done a really rotten job of raising our kids. We let them do what they want, forgot about discipline, and don't seem to care about education any more. Maybe the time has come to stop forcing kids to go to school, if they don't care about an education. As the old saying goes, "you can lead a horse to water..."

Steve </div></div>


<span style="color: #FF0000"> Steve,

Of course, some of us have not abdicated the responsibility of raising our kids and even doing whatever was needed to make sure they got a good education, whatever the personal costs. So, what we really have is a whole generation of kids who can't/won't compete who are miles behind the kids who were taught, disciplined and did well.

I used to be very happy that my kids had these to "compete" against making it a cakewalk for them to be successful. The sad fact is that, however, many losers our schools produce, they are the ones that end up working for me, my kids and any other responsible adults that escaped from the socialist education system. The problem is, of course, no matter how successful we are, you (and your kids) can't drag the others along for the ride of a good life unless, of course, we redistribute the wealth that is earned to allow the failures, drug addicts and slackers to come along for the ride free of charge. That was the Clinton message that was rejected. With Obama showing now he was not a serious lefty, only wanting the office, I think he will. like Clinton, move more middle in reality, unlike Clinton who would have stayed left in office. We can survive another Carter type presidency on the ecconomic front for a while if he continues to lean more right on defense and intel as he has lately.

The school systems are toast. No amount of money will even attempt to adjust the corrupt teachers and parenting is no longer relevent in American culture. The wanted permissive culture the left wanted has been acheived and see what it has gotten them, and us. The very moves they arte making will continue to creat larger gaps in the rich and poor and will eventually cut out any opportunity for the really achieve beyond handouts. Of course, that is exactly their goal. </span>

Chopstick
07-11-2008, 08:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="color: #FF0000">
The wanted permissive culture the left wanted has been acheived and see what it has gotten them, and us. The very moves they arte making will continue to creat larger gaps in the rich and poor and will eventually cut out any opportunity for the really achieve beyond handouts. Of course, that is exactly their goal. </span> </div></div>

The "rebel against the system, stick it to the man, free love" hippie cultural revolution of the sixties has born it's fruit. Drugs, crime, urban chaos, failed marriages, deadbeat dads. I see all this coming from that seed. Security guards in schools? That should have set off alarm bells with everyone when that became necessary.

The old way was better. We were supposed to cut our hair, be honest, polite and responsible to fit into society. Well we didn't want to do that anymore, so now they shave half their heads, paint the other half blue, stick a bolt through their nose and ridicule the former in order to uhhh....what?!? They have a right to be as objectionable as they want and get in any ones faces they please and it is everyone else who must respect their rights.

I think the founding fathers missed it when they left out the except clause in the constitution. The last line should read "You have the right to all of the above, except when you are being a jackass."

Wally_in_Cincy
07-11-2008, 09:54 AM
The ironic thing is that Obama does not speak a foreign language.

The thing that makes me ill is how he says he is "embarassed" that Americans don't speak fluent French or whatever. The fact is, most Americans never visit Europe and have no real need to know the respective language. I would bet most Americans who do visit a foreign country at least make an attempt to learn the language before they go.

What an arrogant man he is.

Deeman3
07-11-2008, 10:27 AM
I would say he was talking down to blacks and that I would like to castrate him but, you know, I probably would not get a pass on that. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I beg to differ, his second language is doublespeak.

Gayle in MD
07-11-2008, 10:54 AM
Since you think our educational system amounts to socialism, I trust you sent all your kids to private schools throughout? I'm sure I won't get an answer.

I surely wouldn't want to live in a country that placed so little value on education, and children, that there was no opportunity for poor children to get an education if they wanted one, and thanks to the screwed up values and tax structure of the so called Christian right, the Republican base, the top 1% owns more wealth than the remaining 90% percent in this country. Just how do you think our society could be improved if the bottom of that 90% had no free education to advantage them?

Just FYI, I did not send my daughter to public schools, but I was surely glad that others who could not afford private school tuition for their children had the opportunity to give them an education in public schools.

It may interest you to know that Bush's "NCLB" has produced more corruption than ever before in our educational system, and in fact, it nearly requires that teachers be corrupt in order to keep their jobs. Another completely unrealistic approach to a problem that could have been improved.

While there seem to be many parents around, always, who really have no business having kids, there are also many other good parents who cannot afford private schools. I surely cannot see how a country which would not require that parents provide an education for their children, and also would not offer an education provided by the state and federal government, would be a great place to live. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Gayle in Md.
Really tired of the "Socialism" BS that is applied to any and every expense other than war profiteering, and the fascist corporate bailouts for cheats.

Wally_in_Cincy
07-11-2008, 11:07 AM
I'm sure I won't get an answer.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> That's the pot calling the kettle black</span>

there are also many other good parents who cannot afford private schools.

<span style="color: #FF0000">They could if there was a voucher system. </span>

Gayle in MD
07-11-2008, 11:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's the pot calling the kettle black
</div></div>

I think I have made a practice of providing links and book titles, graphs and expert opinion, government links, and programming on public television, (heads up on Senate Investigations, actual quotes which prove the vast hypocracy of the Republican Party, independent studies, particularly from the GAO, which prove the lies of Bush and McCain) to support my posts and opinions on here. However, it is interesting how the Republican jargon is the only response. Pot/kettle? A bit over used, don't you think? Surely you can be more creative!

Gayle in Md.

Deeman3
07-11-2008, 12:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Just how do you think our society could be improved if the bottom of that 90% had no free education to advantage them?

</div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Of course, many of the 90% who do need and use the free public education system do not value it, do not takew advantage of it and in concert with the inability of the schools to maintain discipline or qualified teachers, most squander that "free" education. Now we are going to propose (Obama) that we turn our university system into the the same failed liberal concept?

The providing of a free secondary public education system is not socialist and used to be very effective. The squandering and corruption of that education system is the socialist portion of it planned, legislated and executed by the left long before Bush was President. </span>

Gayle in MD
07-11-2008, 01:38 PM
Dear Deeman,
That is the most perfect partisan assessment of an issue that I have ever read.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The providing of a free secondary public education system is not socialist and used to be very effective. The squandering and corruption of that education system is the socialist portion of it planned, legislated and executed by the left long before Bush was President.
</div></div>

Could you be so kind as to educate me on this appraisal of our educational system? I'd like to be able to understand how you can lay the blame for the educational problems that lay within our educational systemk, solely at the feet of Liberals.

Please include links, and quotes.

Thanking you in advance... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif


Love,
Gayle

Deeman3
07-11-2008, 02:09 PM
Gayle,

Why would I have to lean on the links of a web site to get my opinions? It was clearly the intend and purpose of the left beginning in the 1970's to free the education system from accountability in grades, teacher accountability and discipline. I, as well as perhaps you, sat on campus as "free thinkers" in the educations system said, "We are too judgemental, testing is unfair, biased and makes many feel unloved". Certainly you don't remember new age teaching principals as being from the right!

Are the teachers unions which have step-by-step removed accountbility from the teacher's evaluations, taken discipline out of the teachers perogative and launched lowered "Pass/fail" standards suddenly a right wing creation by GWB?

Was the ACLU mega suit years suddenly, by your memory a product of the conservatives?

Did Republicans put forth the elimination of first corporal, then any discipline in the clsassrooms during your experience with the school systems?

Your failure to even recognise the failings of this liberal system is more partisan than I could possibly be. You belief that funding is the answer to a discipline and competence problem is even more out there.

Gayle, I know you don't recognise this. No one wants to admit their involvemet in our educations disaster especially those who helped destroy it.

mike60
07-11-2008, 02:36 PM
Deeman, Pass-Fail was instituted to allow some latitude in advanced logic classes at the college level to include and allow differing conclusions to problematic absolutes. I agree there has been too liberal application of the concept.
Corporal punishment has no place in any educational setting, hands off.
Discipline needs to be respected in both directions, educators should not be thugs.
I respectfully decline your opinion that the educational system in the USA has been
destroyed. It is wounded but not dead. Perhaps if the Teachers were paid proportionately with their importance as the guide of our children we would get a better result. Money has to be well spent or it is wasted. There is no one group to blame, there are plenty of problems. You seem to want to destroy the system further, how could this help?

mike60 james kopp murdering sum doing forever as some guy's bitch

Deeman3
07-11-2008, 02:53 PM
Coporal punishment has no place in the classroom, hands off.

Has not worked, how many teachers were beaten and raped under the old policy?

Pay teachers more? If we pay them more, they will teach better? What are they there for? What makes you think higher pay works?

There is no one group to blame.

There is one group common with the issues we have discussed, liberals. It may not be pleasant to a liberal to hear this. That does not make it false. I do not expect a liberal to admit this.

You seem to want to destroy the system further.

That is an odd observation based on what I have said. I just don't want to spend more money doing the same stupid things that do not work now. It may not be too late but letting you spend more has not helped and, without thoughtful work and planning, won't work by itself. More liberal spending of money simply to appease political left wing teacher's groups is the answer? Please...

pooltchr
07-11-2008, 07:21 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since you think our educational system amounts to socialism, I trust you sent all your kids to private schools throughout? I'm sure I won't get an answer.
<span style="color: #FF0000"> The answer is that what I did with my kids isn't relevent to the question. My kids turned out just fine.</span>

I surely wouldn't want to live in a country that placed so little value on education, and children, that there was no opportunity for poor children to get an education if they wanted one, <span style="color: #FF0000">I never advocated doing away with public schools. Every legal child in this country should have the opportunity to an education, regardless of the financial position of their parents. What I DID say was that those who don't want to actively participate in the educational process don't need to be in the schools disrupting things for those students who do want to learn. The thugs, gang members, and trouble makers need to be gone...period. </span> and thanks to the screwed up values and tax structure of the so called Christian right, the Republican base, the top 1% owns more wealth than the remaining 90% percent in this country. <span style="color: #FF0000">That has nothing to do with education. Want to try and stay on subject? </span> Just how do you think our society could be improved if the bottom of that 90% had no free education to advantage them? <span style="color: #FF0000">Your reading comprehension needs help. Once again, keep the schools open for those who want the education...just get rid of the troublemakers. Rich or poor!!!!! </span>

Just FYI, I did not send my daughter to public schools, but I was surely glad that others who could not afford private school tuition for their children had the opportunity to give them an education in public schools. <span style="color: #FF0000"> You don't mean to tell me that the public or government schools weren't good enough for your kids???????????</span>

It may interest you to know that Bush's "NCLB" has produced more corruption than ever before in our educational system, and in fact, it nearly requires that teachers be corrupt in order to keep their jobs. Another completely unrealistic approach to a problem that could have been improved. <span style="color: #FF0000">And I don't disagree. Every time Washington gets more involved in education, it costs more money, and requires more administration and less teaching! </span>

While there seem to be many parents around, always, who really have no business having kids, there are also many other good parents who cannot afford private schools. <span style="color: #FF0000"> And I am all for having a public school system to serve them. I would prefer that the system could focus on teaching, and not on administering government programs. <span style="color: #FF0000"> </span> </span> I surely cannot see how a country which would not require that parents provide an education for their children, and also would not offer an education provided by the state and federal government, would be a great place to live. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Gayle in Md.
Really tired of the "Socialism" BS that is applied to any and every expense other than war profiteering, and the fascist corporate bailouts for cheats. <span style="color: #FF0000">Yeah, we've heard that all before. The "Socialism BS" as you call it is no different that the "war profiteering facist" BS that you are constantly spewing. </span>

</div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000"> If you must respond to my posts, kindly read them and try to comprehend what was said first.
Steve</span>

Qtec
07-11-2008, 09:33 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wally_in_Cincy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The ironic thing is that Obama does not speak a foreign language.

The thing that makes me ill is how he says he is "embarassed" that Americans don't speak fluent French or whatever. The fact is, most Americans never visit Europe and have no real need to know the respective language. I would bet most Americans who do visit a foreign country at least make an attempt to learn the language before they go.

What an arrogant man he is. </div></div>

Ironic? I don't think so.

You have the nerve to call Obama arrogant after making THIS statement?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fact is, most Americans never visit Europe and have no real need to know the respective language.</div></div>

Its a matter of courtesy to learn the language of your neighbor, in the USA,s case that would be Spanish.
Over here kids learn Dutch, English and French or German from an early age. Yes, 3 languages! 95% can understand basic English, 75% can speak it to some extent.





Q

sack316
07-12-2008, 01:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Its a matter of courtesy to learn the language of your neighbor...

Q </div></div>

Tap, tap, tap! Well put Q. And even more important, then, should be the courtesy of leaning the language of what you intend to make you homeland, no? Courtesy for your neighor is good yes... requirement for your home I feel is just common sense. Which I believe was more or less Steve's point in the first place on this thread.

Sack

Qtec
07-13-2008, 03:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> And even more important, then, should be the courtesy of leaning the language of what you intend to make you homeland, no? </div></div>

I completely agree.

Q

eg8r
07-14-2008, 08:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since you think our educational system amounts to socialism, I trust you sent all your kids to private schools throughout? I'm sure I won't get an answer.</div></div>This is definitely the direction I am headed.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just FYI, I did not send my daughter to public schools, but I was surely glad that others who could not afford private school tuition for their children had the opportunity to give them an education in public schools.
</div></div> You did this because you knew the private schooling would be better and that because of your money your kids would have a better chance. You don't give a crap about the kids that went to public school.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It may interest you to know that Bush's "NCLB" has produced more corruption than ever before in our educational system, and in fact, it nearly requires that teachers be corrupt in order to keep their jobs. Another completely unrealistic approach to a problem that could have been improved.
</div></div> His NCLB was a failure, just like all the previous government initiated education programs. The government cannot keep corruption out of their own cafeterias and you want them to run a school?

I am tired of the lefty socialists who are trying to continue the money pit of government education for the sole purpose of indoctrinating young children to believe their twisted ways. The government does not know how to run an education system and everyone seems to think if we just keep throwing money at it the situation will get better.

eg8r

Deeman3
07-14-2008, 08:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec


quote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Its a matter of courtesy to learn the language of your neighbor, in the USA,s case that would be Spanish.
Over here kids learn Dutch, English and French or German from an early age. Yes, 3 languages! 95% can understand basic English, 75% can speak it to some extent.

Q </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">Q,

Having lived near you (Germary) and having learned the language I will agree with you that the Dutch are very good at learning the languages of people in the area around them. plus English. I was surprised at the high fleuency rate in English, German, French and Flemish in the Netherlands. Of course, the high rate of tourism helps but the public school system provides a nice platform for the learning of those languages as well. For many of us who have learned a few other languages it is easy to critique those who have not. I still believe those who want to assimilate here should learn English and it is not too much to ask for being in the best place in the world for opportunity to gain wealth and provide for their families.

As for most in America, learning Spanish of French (remember Canada to our North) when you are many thousands of miles from a border you may never cross, there is little incentive to learn their language. However, now that the Hispanics are a larger part of our population, many of us are going back and learning Spanish. I started classes last year. It is still not to much to ask for them to learn ours. IMO

Just to make this clear, while I joke with you on occasion, I am deeply respectful of the education level and the overall knowledge of the Dutch people. As well, I have always found them to be welcoming and nice people to be around. I loved all my visits and time in your country as well as appreciate how they stood behind us as the only country that did so about 230 years ago. We remember our friends. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span>

Gayle in MD
07-14-2008, 08:52 AM
I'd be happy if the President could speak English! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

LWW
07-14-2008, 09:00 AM
I'd be happy if you could speak sensibly.

LWW

Jeff
07-14-2008, 09:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd be happy if you could speak sensibly.

LWW </div></div>

Now LWW, you know when people speak "sensibly", that pretty much leaves you out of the loop.

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Gayle in MD
07-14-2008, 09:09 AM
Great post Deeman.

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Qtec
07-14-2008, 09:57 AM
The Germans dub all English speaking films and TV progs.
The Dutch don't. All are shown in the original format with Dutch subtitles.
Now, consider the amount of time kids watch TV? Over here, kids with basic English teaching actually learn further from watching Superman etc! because of the subtitles! [ When I was learning the language it was a big help to watch a film in English along with the Dutch subtitles.]

It can't do any harm to learn 2 languages at the same time. I don't know what all the fuss is about.

Q

eg8r
07-14-2008, 10:02 AM
I agree. I think the big issue is probably the perceived intent behind what Obama said, rather than the actual learning of a second language.

eg8r

LWW
07-14-2008, 10:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeff</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd be happy if you could speak sensibly.

LWW </div></div>

Now LWW, you know when people speak "sensibly", that pretty much leaves you out of the loop.

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I'll wait for either of you to speak sensibly then I can find out.

So far, I honestly haven't witnessed it from either of you so I honestly can't say.

Now, troll some more for us.

LWW