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mike60
07-12-2008, 01:25 AM
The Mother of an US Army Ranger-Green Beret that was electrocuted in a shower built by Halliburton-KBR....

Thanks Cheney.... If this doesn't piss you off you're already brain dead.


http://dpc.senate.gov/hearings/hearing46/harris.pdf

Here is a sample:
Since the time my twins and their younger brother, Adam, entered the army, I always lived with the fear that I may face the news that one of my sons had been killed in the line of duty. On January 2, 2008, that fear was realized. What I did not expect to hear, though, was the manner of death that my son, Ryan, a decorated Army Ranger and Green Beret, experienced. While I had always been prepared to hear that one of my sons died by way of a firefight or a roadside bomb, I was dumbstruck to hear in the days following the news of my son’s death that he was electrocuted while taking a shower in his living quarters on his Army base at the Radwaniyah Palace Complex in Baghdad....

I have also learned that Kellogg Brown & Root knew of this very hazard since at least February 10, 2007 – 11 months before Ryan’s death – when they conducted an inspection of the facilities where Ryan lived. The deficiencies KBR noted on that date included, among others, the fact that the building’s main circuit panel, the secondary feeder panel, and the water tank were not grounded. The wiring leading into the secondary electrical panel was not sized properly for the main breakers, did not have proper thermal coating, and did not meet either U.S. or British electrical standards.

If this doesn't show the evil disregard for our troops by the company fronted by Cheny then we will never know the truth.

Come on LWW tell us how we're just socialists and how you know the truth.

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LWW
07-12-2008, 05:46 AM
Who isa defending negligence.

This is what we have a legal system for.

You are willing to assign guilt with malice and forethought sans trial however ... which IS NOT what our legal system was set up to do.

Hence, it does appear that you are in favor od Stalinist show trials while I am in favor of justice.

Any more questions?

LWW

mike60
07-12-2008, 12:20 PM
LWW, Unless you get a grip on some sort of defendable position i'm going to ignore you. The facts of the case are clearly presented and if there is a trial there will be plenty of time for you to deny the truth as it comes out.
No more questions as you have no answers. But you seem to enjoy projecting your paranoia.

mike666 james kopp murdering scum doing forever as some guy's bitch

LWW
07-12-2008, 12:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mike60</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LWW, Unless you get a grip on some sort of defendable position i'm going to ignore you. The facts of the case are clearly presented and if there is a trial there will be plenty of time for you to deny the truth as it comes out.
No more questions as you have no answers. But you seem to enjoy projecting your paranoia.

mike666 james kopp murdering scum doing forever as some guy's bitch </div></div>
Translated:
Translated:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LWW IS DELIVERING THESE INTELLECTUAL BEAT DOWNS WITH SUCH FEROCITY THAT I'LL JUST TAKE MY BALL AND GO HOME!

MOMMA GAYYYY-ULLLL! WHAT DO I SAY NEXT?

B-B-B-BUT B-B-B-BOOOOSH! R-R-R-RAY-GUN! B-B-B-BUT B-B-B-BOOOOSH! H-H-H-HALLIBURTON! B-B-B-BUT B-B-B-BOOOOSH!

<span style='font-size: 23pt'>H</span><span style='font-size: 20pt'>E</span><span style='font-size: 17pt'>L</span><span style='font-size: 14pt'>P</span> <span style='font-size: 11pt'>M</span><span style='font-size: 8pt'>E</span> <span style='font-size: 23pt'>H</span><span style='font-size: 20pt'>E</span><span style='font-size: 17pt'>L</span><span style='font-size: 14pt'>P</span> <span style='font-size: 11pt'>M</span><span style='font-size: 8pt'>E</span></div></div>

LWW

mike60
07-12-2008, 12:43 PM
Please everyone notice the big letters and the important new information LWW brings
to this forum. He, or it, neglects the torment and loss of life of our troops and the despair of their surviving parents. LWW you monumental twit. This is about life and death for our troops. PERIOD. The only thing you beat down is your limp cock.

mike666 james kopp murdering scum doing forever as some guy's bitch

LWW
07-12-2008, 02:27 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mike60</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please everyone notice the big letters and the important new information LWW brings
to this forum. He, or it, neglects the torment and loss of life of our troops and the despair of their surviving parents. LWW you monumental twit. This is about life and death for our troops. PERIOD. The only thing you beat down is your limp cock.

mike666 james kopp murdering scum doing forever as some guy's bitch </div></div>
My such anger.

LWW

mike60
07-12-2008, 02:31 PM
LWW, Remember say something germane or don't post. No more bullshit.


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Gayle in MD
07-12-2008, 11:06 PM
Mike,
I guess you can see why I don't read his posts...or Ed's, or Jayalley, or Vapros...

We're lucky that most of the Republican supporters have either left the party, or atleast wised up enough to reject McCain.


Some of them never will. It's too painful for them to accept the truth, they were duped, totally, and they will deny the facts until they drop, even if the constitution, our troops, and our way of life is threatened, they don't care, they're either too stupid, or too insecure to admit all the wrong doing that the crooks they voted for, twice, have done to this country.

We do have some intelligent posters on here, who actually know what they're writing about. I stopped reading LWW after his first post. Total waste of time. Everything he writes here is BS.

Bush and Cheney don't give a flying **** about the troops, and neither do the Republicans, save Gordon Smith, and Chuch Hagel.

I hope this international tribunal takes care of Cheney and Bush. I hope they end up in jail, for War Crimes, where they belong.

There is plenty of documentation around to prove everything you've written about, but these jerks don't want the truth. they just want to continue to spread their lies, pat themseklves on the back, and believe they've won an argument, while in reality, they've only proven all along how ignorant they are about what's going on in the world.

Reading their posts is a total wast of time. It's called State Of Denial.

Gayle in Md.

Qtec
07-13-2008, 04:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Pentagon cannot account for nearly 15 billion dollars in payments for goods and services in Iraq, according to an internal audit which members of Congress blasted Friday as a "shocking" accountability failure.

Of 8.2 billion dollars in U.S. taxpayer-funded defense contracts reviewed by the Defense Department's inspector general, the Pentagon could not properly account for more than 7.7 billion dollars.

The lack of accountability of the funds, intended for purchases of weapons, vehicles, construction equipment and security services, amounted to a 95 percent failure rate in basic accounting standards, according to the report </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> One after another, the men and women who have stepped forward to report corruption in the massive effort to rebuild Iraq have been vilified, fired and demoted.

Or worse.

For daring to report illegal arms sales, Navy veteran Donald Vance says he was imprisoned by the American military in a security compound outside Baghdad and subjected to harsh interrogation methods.

There were times, huddled on the floor in solitary confinement with that head-banging music blaring dawn to dusk and interrogators yelling the same questions over and over, that Vance began to wish he had just kept his mouth shut.

He had thought he was doing a good and noble thing when he started telling the FBI about the guns and the land mines and the rocket-launchers -- all of them being sold for cash, no receipts necessary, he said. He told a federal agent the buyers were Iraqi insurgents, American soldiers, State Department workers, and Iraqi embassy and ministry employees.

The seller, he claimed, was the Iraqi-owned company he worked for, Shield Group Security Co.

"It was a Wal-Mart for guns," he says. "It was all illegal and everyone knew it."

So Vance says he blew the whistle, supplying photos and documents and other intelligence to an FBI agent in his hometown of Chicago because he didn't know whom to trust in Iraq.

For his trouble, he says, he got 97 days in Camp Cropper, an American military prison outside Baghdad that once held Saddam Hussein, and he was classified a security detainee.

Also held was colleague Nathan Ertel, who helped Vance gather evidence documenting the sales, according to a federal lawsuit both have filed in Chicago, alleging they were illegally imprisoned and subjected to physical and mental interrogation tactics "reserved for terrorists and so-called enemy combatants." </div></div>

In this war, a selective few bear the burden, 1%. The troops that risk their lives doing what they think is their duty to their country.
In this war, a massive amout of taxpayer cash has changed hands. Through taxcuts and this obvious corruption the top 1% will make a fortune..........and they can't even take care of those who have served or those who are now serving.
When a soldier dies in the shower because KBR were negligent and failed to correct their own mistakes.
To say its a legal matter is a disgrace.
Q

eg8r
07-14-2008, 08:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LWW, Unless you get a grip on some sort of defendable position i'm going to ignore you. The facts of the case are clearly presented and if there is a trial there will be plenty of time for you to deny the truth as it comes out. </div></div> LOL, just like the case about that secretary. You guys all thought you had 'facts' but in then end you had nothing.

eg8r

mike60
07-17-2008, 12:02 AM
Eat this dimwits:
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Jul 11, 4:50 PM EDT

Former KBR electricians criticize contractors work

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- KBR Inc. used employees with little electrical expertise to supervise subcontractors in Iraq and hired foreigners who couldn't speak English, former KBR electricians told a Senate panel investigating electrocutions of 13 Americans.

Experienced electricians who raised concerns about shoddy work and its possible hazards were often dismissed and told, "This is a war zone," the electricians said Friday.

"Time and again we heard, `This is not the states, OSHA doesn't apply here. If you don't like it you can go home,'" said Debbie Crawford, a journeyman electrician with 30 years experience.

Crawford and Jefferey Bliss, also a former KBR electrician, testified in the 17th hearing held by the Democratic Policy Committee, which has been examining waste, fraud and abuse in Iraq and the performance of the country's war contractors. Both Democrats and Republicans attended the hearing.

The Pentagon has said 13 Americans have been electrocuted in Iraq since September 2003. It has ordered Houston-based KBR to inspect all the facilities it maintains in Iraq for electrical hazards.

But Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., who chaired the panel, questioned whether KBR could police its own work.

And Sen. Robert Casey, D-Pa., said, "I am angered that the department (of defense) appears to lack the urgency and outrage that all of us in this room share today."

In an e-mailed statement, KBR said its investigation so far has not turned up evidence of a link between its work and the electrocutions. "We continue to conduct technical inspections on all facilities serviced by KBR throughout Iraq to ensure safe and proper operations for those we serve," spokeswoman Heather Browne said in the statement.

The mothers of two soldiers who were electrocuted also testified about the deaths of their sons, Staff Sgt. Christopher Lee Everett and Staff Sgt. Ryan Maseth of Pittsburgh.

Everett, a member of the Texas Army National Guard, was electrocuted in September 2005, while using a power washer to clean sand from beneath a Humvee. Maseth, an Army Ranger and Green Beret, was electrocuted in January 2008 while taking a shower in his Army barracks in Baghdad.

"I plead with you to do something to bring an end to this unnecessary cause of death to our soldiers," said Larraine McGee of Huntsville, Texas. "They should not have to worry about stepping into a shower or using a power washer in the safety of an established base."

Bliss told the panel "carelessness and disregard for quality of work at KBR was pervasive."

Electricians were not given the tools needed to do their jobs. Additionally, KBR hired foreigners who were not familiar with U.S. electrical standards and who didn't speak English.

"I was surprised to discover how many KBR electricians did not have the right experience and training," Bliss said.

The soldiers' mothers said KBR and the Army knew of the electrical problems before their sons' deaths. KBR had inspected Maseth's housing 11 months before he died. The inspector noted that the main circuit panel, the secondary feeder panel and the water tank were not grounded, said Cheryl Harris, his mother.

Grounding reduces the risk of electrocution. Maseth's family has sued KBR.

McGee said she had been told by the Army that her son's death was unique. An Army report blamed his death on an improperly grounded generator that powered the power washer. McGee said she was told Everett's death led to all generators in Iraq being properly grounded.

But in April, she learned from a reporter the Army had issued a report on soldiers' electrocutions calling them the "unexpected killer." The report urged the Army to ensure contractors properly grounded electrical systems.

"All this time, I thought Chris' accident was an isolated incident," she said. "My son should not have died. Ryan Maseth should have never died. Proper grounding is a basic safety requirement. The problem was known about long before Chris' death.
Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and Rep. Kevin Brady, R-The Woodland, released letters they've sent to Defense Secretary Robert Gates, on the electrocutions. Brady urged the Pentagon release all information on the deaths to congressional committees and spell out steps its taken to prevent further deaths.


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eg8r
07-17-2008, 09:00 AM
You can spout whatever news report you want but the fact remains, you never have any facts. Just ask the secretary how that big scandal worked out for her.

eg8r

eg8r
07-17-2008, 02:40 PM
I guess you will need to take the meds it seems you are once again unable to control yourself. It is a shame you have ever told anyone you were a Rep at one time, I am happy to say good riddance.

eg8r

mike60
07-17-2008, 02:42 PM
Likewise.

mike60

mike60
07-17-2008, 05:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can spout whatever news report you want but the fact remains, you never have any facts. Just ask the secretary how that big scandal worked out for her.

eg8r </div></div>

This is so wrong. Defending war profiteer's shabby work that murders our troops in their showers.

mike60

wolfdancer
07-17-2008, 07:55 PM
" Former KBR electricians criticize contractors work "

Ed's refute...:
" LOL, just like the case about that secretary. You guys all thought you had 'facts' but in then end you had nothing."

Well Ed, the "facts" are that two soldiers were electrocuted, and neither death would have occurred with proper wiring, and circuit safeguards. (unless of course,with yours and Wally's belief that God is just on your side of the fence... you are claiming Divine Intervention???)
There are two things I don't understand from your post...why you are making these tragedies a "left Vs right" thing???
And HTF can you even try to compare this to the "secretary"
I don't have any facts on either the Secretary of the electrocutions but do make a judgment call from what I read in the media (Fox excluded).
Finally....I don't see anything in that report to LOL about.

mike60
07-17-2008, 09:20 PM
Wolf, It seems reading is beyond our friends as it may interfere with their nappy time. I'm a Republican, i first heard of this from a friend working at the Heritage Foundation. Hardly a left wing organization. All nonsense aside. The WAR PROFITEERING wing of the right as spoken and all they say is give me more money

mike60.

Deeman3
07-18-2008, 07:19 AM
These deaths are unexcusable. It is one thing to die fighting but gross incompetence is something our troops whould not have to worry about.

I am with you guys on this one.

DickLeonard
07-18-2008, 07:48 AM
Deeman thank you for support. How can anyone Support Haliburton a Contractor that most American Companies rate poorly. If it wasn't for Cheney they wouldn't get a job.####

Gayle in MD
07-18-2008, 09:38 AM
Wolf,
Thanks to what the right likes to call a do nothing congress, the investigations by the Democratic Senate have revealed FIFTEEN SOLDIERS ELECTROCUTED due to no bid incompetent P'sO. S. contracting "Friends" of Cheney and Bush.

If people could watch these Republicans in action during investigaions
where their ONLY goal is to try to minimize the vast incompetence of the Bush Administration, and the disasterous way they have prosecuted this war, with no apparent concern about our soldiers, or getting to the truth about ANYTHING at all, there would be a bounty on Republican Representatives, and on those who continue to vote for them, time after time, regardless of how obviously corrupt and unamerican they behave!

There is absolutely no excuse for this, our soldiers being electrocuted. Thank God we have a Democratic majority, that can bring to the forefront, everything that was swept under the rug by Republicans for six years.

As for Ed, why even read the absurd comments of someone who obviously has absolutely no clue about anything, whatsoever. His posts are as every bit as offensive as the very posters which he himself attacks, and he will no doubt get his long overdue rude awakening, one of these days.

Gayle in Md.

Love,
Gayle

eg8r
07-18-2008, 09:40 AM
You actually quoted my post, where in there did I mention Left vs. Right?


eg8r

sack316
07-18-2008, 11:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Thanks to what the right likes to call a do nothing congress,
</div></div>

Been watching C-SPAN more often with ya lately dear. The most sensible thing accomplished I saw yesterday was when (I forget who) took the floor for five minutes and basically complained about how there is so much that needs to get accomplished, and yet they'd be adjourning Thursday afternoon--- and not to return to work until Tuesday. I'm all for taking a four day weekend anytime I can, but when there is work to be done I simply can't. I think I wanna be in congress! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Sack

wolfdancer
07-18-2008, 01:47 PM
Mike, I placed lww on my ignore list as soon as that feature became available. Recently though, I took him off "ignore".
I was doing some research for a thread..."the 50 dumbest posts by Little Willie Wanker", but a panel of impartial judges, myself and some heavy drinkers I met at the local watering hole, couldn't stop laughing long enough to pick out the worst 50
He might be just going through some mid life crisis where he has
"Walter Mitty" like fantasies...or just delusions of adequacy.
The infamous "lww I.Q. challenge", his "street fighter" claim, and who can forget his heroic "I serve my country in the reserves"
( it's tough to give up watching American Idol one day a week, and having to fight that traffic to get to the meetings )
But he's not the worst of the lot here....Wally jumped on my post where I mentioned praying for our soldiers...in his mind, the Dems are all Atheists. And his delusional last post that inquired "how many libs are on welfare"...tells me he's totally f***ing brainwashed. Ed just has pure hatred for anybody not aligned with his political leanings, or actually in need of public assistance.
Steve believes smokers have a God given right to smoke anywhere, and that Wal Mart has the same right to park one of their "imports only" stores anywhere they want,and pay min wages, while bypassing normal working rules...lunch/rest periods, overtime pay, etc ( My little ole town told them to take a *** hike....we might end up with a "Kelo V New London" lawsuit??)anyway, downright Un-American, in Steve's eyes. He's also concerned about the super wealthy getting hit with high taxes, while some min wage workers don't even have to pay any...it just ain't fair....
I won't even mention the guy that hero worships cold blooded killers....makes one wonder if, in his fantasies he sees himself doing the same?
I exclude Dee and Sack from this "elite" group of misanthropes
and have to admit that reading all this right wing propaganda is finally getting to interest me enough to check it out.
You know the old adage " walk a mile in their shoes..."
I've begun doing that....I'm now wiping my a$$ with my right hand, and already I'm worried about how unfairly I'll be over taxed if i hit the Lotto...and why do kids need free milk in kindergarten?

sack316
07-18-2008, 01:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I exclude Dee and Sack from this "elite" group of misanthropes
</div></div>

cool, I take that as high praise actually. We're nothing special, though. We simply take our partisanship with a healthy dose of reality.

this goes for all of us at some point or another: sometimes even better than education, research, knowledge, experience, studying, etc. is just having your eyes open. You gain a lot that way, and we're all capable of it.

Sack

wolfdancer
07-18-2008, 02:04 PM
Sack, while we disagree on many things " you say potato, while I say...", you usually just discuss the issues without prejudice.
Whereas Ed still equates the Clinton sex scandal as equal to the lies that led us into the war.
For the record, I myself, was outraged at the misuse and abuse of them fine Cuban cigars...

DickLeonard
07-18-2008, 02:07 PM
Wolfdancer I always said as sooon as I hit Mega Millions I will turn Republican. It is just a family Joke, they know I would never change Parties. I have too much Honor for that.####