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mike60
07-13-2008, 01:00 PM
Sad truths...


The Downing Street Truth
As some will recall, Blair sent his intelligence chief off to Washington in summer 2002 to confer with his opposite number, and Bush intimate, CIA Director George Tenet.
In the spring of 2005, a patriotic truth-teller leaked to British media the minutes of a summit meeting of UK national security officials convened on July 23, 2002 at 10 Downing Street. (The minutes, which became known as the Downing Street Memos, were composed that same day by one of those officials and sent to the other participants.)
The minutes revealed that at CIA headquarters on July 20, 2002, Tenet informed his British counterpart that President Bush had decided to attack Iraq for regime change; that the war would be justified by the “conjunction” of weapons of mass destruction and terrorism; and that “the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.”
So we did not really need Scott McClellan’s recent revelations to understand that the intelligence was “fixed,” even though our country’s fawning corporate media (FCM) made a Herculean effort to suppress this key evidence – in part by ignoring and disparaging the Downing Street Memos when they surfaced three years ago.
Among the saddest aspects of this whole affair, at least for those who have been in the intelligence profession, is that no one within the U.S. intelligence establishment saw fit to go public and disclose the deception that was being used to “justify” a war of aggression. No one.
The only seasoned officials with the courage to speak out were three Foreign Service Officers – Brady Kiesling, Ann Wright and John H. Brown – each of whom resigned before the war since it was clear to them, even without access to the most sensitive intelligence, that the war could not be justified.
As for intelligence officials outside the United States, there were several profiles in courage.
Katharine Gun, a translator in the British equivalent of our National Security Agency, did successfully leak a very damaging Jan. 31, 2003, memorandum from NSA revealing that the U.S. and U.K. were pulling out all stops to sell the war, even intercepting messages to UN delegations in New York and elsewhere.
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It was all part of a last-ditch attempt to pressure non-aligned members of the UN Security Council into acquiescing to the U.S./U.K. desire to strike Iraq. Gun thought she might succeed in slowing or even stopping an attack on Iraq, if the world learned the lengths to which Bush and Blair were going to have their war.

Gun’s explosive document, carried by the London Observer on March 2, 2003 – just two and a half weeks before the attack on Iraq – was suppressed or trivialized by the FCM (fawning corporate media) in the United States.
(Gun, who acknowledged leaking the document, was fired and charged under the Official Secrets Act. But the case collapsed when the British government balked at providing evidence that might have disclosed some government law experts had concluded that the Iraq invasion was illegal. Gun is now a member of VIPS/West.)
And after the war began, Danish Army Intelligence Major Frank Grevil gave the Danish media documents showing that Danish intelligence had reported to its government that the U.S. public rationale for war was not supported by authentic intelligence.
Grevil (another VIPS member) was sentenced to four months in prison for his efforts to tell the truth.
Andrew Wilkie: Rising to the Challenge

LWW
07-13-2008, 04:44 PM
Yep, a document that was retyped from a copy ... that was destroyed ... of an original that was never seen, and then converted from British English to American English to prove a non existent point.

That's what I love about you Mikey ... you're a gullible idiot.

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LWW

LWW
07-13-2008, 05:25 PM
http://photos1.flickr.com/3217058_1c3986a984.jpg

You are funny dude!

LWW

LWW
07-13-2008, 05:26 PM
Mikey meets the heavy
lumber of reality! OW!
That had to hurt bad!
http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10072/28.gif (http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10072/28.gif)

LWW

hondo
07-13-2008, 07:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mikey meets the heavy
lumber of reality! OW!
That had to hurt bad!
http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10072/28.gif (http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10072/28.gif)

LWW </div></div>


LOL! Boy, Mikey really gets to you, dude.
I bet you're tickled to death he's not on AZ constantly
making you look silly.

LWW
07-14-2008, 01:57 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The above is the call of the American troll.

LWW

Gayle in MD
07-14-2008, 08:11 AM
The fact that Bush cherry picked the intel to fit his pre- illegal White House occupation, and his plan and determination to invade and occupy Iraq for their oil, benefitting his oil cronies, and no bid contract corporate fascist pigs, has been so thoroughly documented, only a total nut could attempt to debate the point.

Gayle in Md.

LWW
07-14-2008, 08:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fact that Bush cherry picked the intel to fit his pre- illegal White House occupation, and his plan and determination to invade and occupy Iraq for their oil, benefitting his oil cronies, and no bid contract corporate fascist pigs, has been so thoroughly documented, only a total nut could attempt to debate the point.

Gayle in Md. </div></div>
Yet you can never cite said documentation.

Why is that Gayle, never mind ... we both know.

LWW

Deeman3
07-14-2008, 08:33 AM
I thought we had debated this for about a month back in 2004 or so. Is there something new that we didn't cover last time?

Anyone got anything new to post?

LWW
07-14-2008, 08:58 AM
Nothing at all.

Just another liberal fantasy brought up yet again.

LWW

Gayle in MD
07-14-2008, 09:16 AM
We did. I personally posted loads of documentation on the subject, yet we have to continue to defend what has already been proven due to some lame but dwindling right wing radical defenders, still living in denial of the vast Republican led assult on America fomented with George Bush at the helm. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cry.gif

Gayle in Md.

Jeff
07-14-2008, 09:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We did. I personally posted loads of documentation on the subject, yet we have to continue to defend what has already been proven due to some lame but dwindling right wing radical defenders, still living in denial of the vast Republican led assult on America fomented with George Bush at the helm. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cry.gif

Gayle in Md.

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Oh, LWW has never met a fact that he couldn't duck around. One of the reasons I gave him the nickname "Ducky" on another forum.

Ducky lives by the "Rules of GOP logic":

War is peace.
Wrong is right.
Up is down.
Death is life.
Lies are truth.
Bill Clinton did it.

eg8r
07-14-2008, 09:55 AM
Nothing new. Once again, Gayle likes to refer to opinions of others as her proof of documentation.

eg8r

LWW
07-14-2008, 10:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeff</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We did. I personally posted loads of documentation on the subject, yet we have to continue to defend what has already been proven due to some lame but dwindling right wing radical defenders, still living in denial of the vast Republican led assult on America fomented with George Bush at the helm. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cry.gif

Gayle in Md.

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Oh, LWW has never met a fact that he couldn't duck around. One of the reasons I gave him the nickname "Ducky" on another forum.

Ducky lives by the "Rules of GOP logic":

War is peace.
Wrong is right.
Up is down.
Death is life.
Lies are truth.
Bill Clinton did it. </div></div>
Parrot want a cracker?

LWW

hondo
07-14-2008, 03:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeff</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We did. I personally posted loads of documentation on the subject, yet we have to continue to defend what has already been proven due to some lame but dwindling right wing radical defenders, still living in denial of the vast Republican led assult on America fomented with George Bush at the helm. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cry.gif

Gayle in Md.

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Oh, LWW has never met a fact that he couldn't duck around. One of the reasons I gave him the nickname "Ducky" on another forum.

Ducky lives by the "Rules of GOP logic":

War is peace.
Wrong is right.
Up is down.
Death is life.
Lies are truth.
Bill Clinton did it. </div></div>


Welcome to the jungle, Jeff.
Trust me, you won't find a kinder, gentler Dub over here.