View Full Version : Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, Lays it on the line

07-20-2008, 09:22 PM
Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, an actual witness and undisputed authority on what's going on for real in Iraq and Washington D.C.

Read it and weep you hard headed wingbat denial freaks. Save the bullshit about reporters or disgruntled press secretaries this guy is genuine U.S. TWO STAR GENERAL

Report says U.S. used torture

WARREN P. STROBEL McClatchy-Tribune

WASHINGTON -- The Army general who led the investigation into prisoner abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison accused the Bush administration Wednesday of committing "war crimes" and called for those responsible to be held to account.

The remarks by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, who's now retired, came in a new report that found that U.S. personnel tortured and abused detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, using beatings, electrical shocks, sexual humiliation and other cruel practices.

"After years of disclosures by government investigations, media accounts and reports from human rights organizations, there is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes," Taguba wrote. "The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account."

Taguba, whose 2004 investigation documented chilling abuses at Abu Ghraib, is thought to be the most senior official to have accused the administration of war crimes. "The commander in chief and those under him authorized a systematic regime of torture," he wrote.

A White House spokeswoman, Kate Starr, had no comment.

Taguba didn't respond to a request for further comment relayed via a spokesman.

The group Physicians for Human Rights, which compiled the new report, described it as the most in-depth medical and psychological examination of former detainees to date.

Doctors and mental health experts examined 11 detainees held for long periods in the prison system that President Bush established after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. All of them eventually were released without charges.

The doctors and experts determined that the men had been subject to cruelties that ranged from isolation, sleep deprivation and hooding to electric shocks, beating and, in one case, being forced to drink urine.

Bush has said repeatedly that the United States doesn't condone torture.

"All credible allegations of abuse are thoroughly investigated and, if substantiated, those responsible are held accountable," said Navy Cmdr. J.D. Gordon, a Pentagon spokesman. The Defense Department responds to concerns raised by the International Committee for the Red Cross, he said, which has access to detainees under military control.

"It adds little to the public discourse to draw sweeping conclusions based upon dubious allegations regarding remote medical assessments of former detainees, now far removed from detention," Gordon said.

The physicians group said that its experts, who had experience studying torture's effects, spent two days with each former captive and conducted intensive exams and interviews. They administered tests to detect exaggeration. In two of the 11 cases, the group was able to review medical records.

The report, "Broken Laws, Broken Lives," concurs with a five-part McClatchy investigation of Guantanamo published this week. Among its findings were that abuses occurred -- primarily at prisons in Afghanistan where detainees were held en route to Guantanamo -- and that many of the prisoners were wrongly detained.

Also this week, a probe by the Senate Armed Services Committee revealed how senior Pentagon officials pushed for harsher interrogation methods over the objections of top military lawyers. Those methods later surfaced in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld didn't specifically approve of the worst abuses, but neither he nor the White House enforced strict limits on how detainees would be treated.

There was no "bright line of abuse which could not be transgressed," former Navy general counsel Alberto Mora told the Senate committee.

Leonard Rubenstein, the president of Physicians for Human Rights, said there was a direct connection between the Pentagon decisions and the abuses his group uncovered. "The result was a horrific stew of pain, degradation and ... suffering," he said.

Detainee abuse has been documented previously, in photos from Abu Ghraib, accounts by former detainees and their lawyers, and a confidential report by the International Committee for the Red Cross that was leaked to the U.S. news media.

Of the 11 men evaluated in the Physicians for Human Rights report, four were detained in Afghanistan between late 2001 and early 2003, and later sent to Guantanamo. The remaining seven were detained in Iraq in 2003.

One of the Iraqis, identified by the pseudonym Laith, was arrested with his family at his Baghdad home in the early morning of Oct. 19, 2003. He was taken to a location where he was beaten, stripped to his underwear and threatened with execution, the report says.

"Laith" told the examiners he was then taken to a second site, where he was photographed in humiliating positions and given electric shocks to his genitals.

Finally, he was taken to Abu Ghraib, where he spent the first 35 to 40 days in isolation in a small cage, enduring being suspended in the cage and other "stress positions."

He was released on June 24, 2004, without charge.

June 19, 2008


07-20-2008, 10:18 PM
Sorry Mike but I won't read or believe a word that he says, not with his last name... he cant be a real American.

07-21-2008, 01:02 AM
nAz, Who among use is without sin?


08-04-2008, 06:39 PM
Read this .....

Gayle in MD
08-05-2008, 06:51 PM
I've read a good bit about this, from many sources, and from a number of investigations which I have watched, live, on C-Span.

I can't begin to put into words how much it hurts me to think that because of this morally corrupt bunch of liars in the White House, my country will now forever be associated with torturing people, many of them completely innocent.

For me, the worst part of all this is that some American people are so removed from their own humanity, that they actually endeavor to justify such evil actions. There is no excuse for torture. It is against everything that is fair, humane, right, and honorable. It will be a deep stain on our collective conscience, and there can be no doubt that we will pay a price for such inhumane treatment of others.

I truly do hope every single day, that those responsible, obviously, that includes the President and Vice President, and their shifty legal advisors, will pay dearly for what they have wrought against the principles and promises of our great country. I never dreamed that any men who could occupy the White House, could stoop to such unforgivable behavior. They deserve the greatest of legal punishment for what they have done.
when we impeached Richard Nixon, atleast we, as Americans, had the opportunity to see our great system of government, work. There were no tanks in the streets, and no civilian prisoners taken, but our Constitution, and our legal system, brought about the punitive actions which forced Nixon to resign.

We can only hope that in this horrible matter, we will have that same opportunity, and that these poor excuses for human beings will pay for their crimes, and live the rest of their lives in the shame they so richly deserve.

Gayle in Md.