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Gayle in MD
08-20-2008, 09:55 AM
Robert S. Mcelvaine:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Republicans and self-styled "Christians" are agog over what Andrea Mitchell of NBC characterized as the "crisp, immediate, forceful response" John McCain gave to Rick Warren's question about evil during the forum at the Saddleback Church. They dismiss Barack Obama's "more nuanced approach."


"Sen. McCain was crisp, decisive, knew what he was about, knew his values," Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R, Minn.), who is a favorite of the "Christian Right," proclaimed on Face the Nation on Sunday. "Sen. Obama, I thought, was hesitant, halting, and quite wandering in his answers."

Pastor Rick asked the following question of both candidates: "Does evil exist? And if it does, do we ignore it? Do we negotiate with it? Do we contain it? Do we defeat it?"

Here is a portion of Obama's reasoned, considered, "nuanced" answer:

"Evil does exist. I mean, I think we see evil all the time. We see evil in Darfur. We see evil, sadly, on the streets of our cities. . . . It has to be confronted squarely . . . . I think [it] is very important for to us have some humility in how we approach the issue of confronting evil, because a lot of evil's been perpetrated based on the claim that we were trying to confront evil. . . . in the name of good. . . . [J]ust because we think that our intentions are good, doesn't always mean that we're going to be doing good."

Here, in stark contrast, is McCain's answer:

"Defeat it."

One can't get much more "crisp" and "decisive" than that! And it sure sounds like the proper Christian answer to what to do about evil, doesn't it?

Sen. McCain's values, which he knows so well, are based on that revered commandment from Jesus, "Shoot first and ask questions later."

Let's see, that's from . . . uh . . . the fifth chapter of Matthew, isn't it?

Oops. That's where Jesus offers an answer to Pastor Warren's question on what to do about evil that is nearly opposite to Sen. McCain's:

"But I say to you, 'Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.'" (Matt. 5:39)
Several biblical Proverbs also reject Mr. McCain's "crisp, immediate, forceful response." A few examples:

"He who is slow to anger is better than the mighty." (Prov. 16:32)
"A man of quick temper acts foolishly, but a man of discretion is patient." (Prov. 14:17)

"He who is slow to anger has great understanding, but he who has a hasty temper exalts folly." (Prov. 14:29)

"A hot-tempered man stirs up strife, but he who is slow to anger quiets contention." (Prov. 15:18)


And, from the Christian New Testament's Letter of James: "Let every man be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger, for the anger of man does not work the righteousness of God" (James 1:19-20)

Three years ago, when President Bush was, as he is now and was prior to the 9-11 attacks, on his long August vacation in Crawford, Texas, Cindy Sheehan and other mothers who lost sons in Iraq War staged a protest near his home. One of their signs read: "Who would Jesus bomb?"

John McCain gave a memorable version of his standard answer to that question when he was asked in 2007 about his Iranian policy. He sang, to the tune of "Barbara Ann": "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran."

In my new book, Grand Theft Jesus, I offer a name for these people who stand Jesus on his head. The person who had the greatest impact in overturning the teachings of Jesus lived 1700 years ago. Constantine won the Battle of Milvan Bridge in AD 312 after a dream led him to have Christian symbols painted on the shields of his soldiers.

Emperor Constantine is usually said to have converted the Roman Empire to Christianity. What he actually did was convert Christianity to the Roman Empire. He gave Jesus the fourth century equivalent of a shot of anabolic steroids and transformed the Prince of Peace into the Prince of War and ally of the rich and the ruler.

The Jesus Thieves who have committed identity theft against the Prince of Peace should be called Constantinians.

In Orange County on Saturday (as he has on many other occasions), John McCain showed himself to be a Constantinian, not a Christian. But this will do him little harm with the Republican "base" of the "Christian Right," because they, too, are Constantinians who shout "JESUS!" at the top of their lungs but ignore his teachings.

The choice in November is Obama or "Oh, Bomb 'Em."

Constantinians will vote for the latter, but Christians who are actual Jesus Followers may prefer nuance to crisp, angry decisiveness.




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<span style="color: #000066">Personally, I think the bombs of the Christians have done enough damage, killed enough people, and destroyed enough possibilities of winning hearts and minds, or improving international understanding, and co-existence.

Nobody wins in wars.

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wolfdancer
08-20-2008, 10:49 AM
Kill a Commie for Christ (http://www.hymnsite.com/lyrics/umh575.sht)

Gayle in MD
08-20-2008, 11:25 AM
BWA HA HA HA! Thanks! Good One! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

eg8r
08-20-2008, 11:31 AM
The only Christian part here is what the author injected. Basically a question was asked, they both answered and when Pawlenty was asked what he thought he gave an answer. None of that was religious whatsoever. However the author is looking for a chance to attack Christians so he injects Christianity. It is quite easy to see and Gayle knows this but she has a hard on against religion also so I can see her warming to this type of article and posting it. The good thing is that we see her for what she is and as the queen sheep no one could expect any less.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
08-20-2008, 11:38 AM
We who, big boy? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

eg8r
08-20-2008, 11:56 AM
If you can't figure it out grandma then you are not one of them.

eg8r

eg8r
08-20-2008, 11:57 AM
I crack up every time you mention weight. It is funny, because the skinnier I continue to get the more senile you get.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
08-20-2008, 12:02 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Grandma" </div></div>


<span style="color: #000066">Music to my ears! Only she doesn't call me grandma, she calls me grand-ma ma </span>

Gayle in MD
08-20-2008, 12:03 PM
Just think! No matter how old I get, you'll still be you! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/sleep.gif

eg8r
08-20-2008, 12:08 PM
Yep, and I will gladly continuing being me as you pass on.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
08-20-2008, 12:18 PM
I've already had a life filled with everything one could ask for, Ed.

Actually, I'm glad you're addressing your food addiction. Maybe after you get a handle on that, you can get some hlep for your addiction to me! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

eg8r
08-20-2008, 12:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually, I'm glad you're addressing your food addiction. Maybe after you get a handle on that, you can get some hlep for your addiction to me!</div></div>I just wish we could figure out how to help you. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r

Deeman3
08-20-2008, 12:32 PM
I, for one, am glad that, like the left wishes, John is separating his faith from politacal decisions. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I think both answers were good but that McCain may have seized the moment better on his answer. Of course, the polls are probably more revealing of what the public thinks about this and other answers.

DeeMan, only addicted to DeeWoman. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Gayle in MD
08-20-2008, 01:06 PM
Don't worry about me. When I start wanting to get an ozzie and get on top of a bulding, I put you back on total ignore, instead.

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sack316
08-20-2008, 08:19 PM
I though both candidates did well throughout for the most part on the forum. McCain's answers were indeed quick and precise... and some will see it as thoughtless and without detail. Obama's answers we're well thought out, poignant, and detailed... some will see it as hesitant and unsure. All depends on how an individual WANTS to see it. But I tired to go into it with open ears and an open mind, and in the end thought both did quite well. Very contrasting stlyes and approaches, but each, for the most part, said the right things IMHO

Sack

editing to add that neither did perfect, and neither was without mistakes... just saying that both did well overall I think