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Gayle in MD
09-02-2008, 03:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Three months before she was thrust into the national political spotlight, Gov. Sarah Palin was asked to handle a much smaller task: addressing the graduating class of commission students at her one-time church, Wasilla Assembly of God.

Her speech in June provides as much insight into her policy leanings as anything uncovered since she was asked to be John McCain's running mate.

Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Religion, however, was not strictly a thread in Palin's foreign policy. It was part of her energy proposals as well. Just prior to discussing Iraq, Alaska's governor asked the audience to pray for another matter -- a $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in the state. "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.

The church runs a number of ministries providing help to poor neighborhoods, care for children in need, and general community services. But Pastor Kalnins has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."

It is impossible to determine how much Wasilla Assembly of God has shaped Palin's thinking. She was baptized there at the age of 12 and attended the church for most of her adult life. When Palin was inaugurated as governor, the founding pastor of the church delivered the invocation. In 2002, Palin moved her family to a nondenominational church, but she continues to worship at a related Assembly of God church in Juneau.

Moreover, she "has maintained a friendship with Wasilla Assembly of God and has attended various conferences and special meetings here," Kalnins' office said in a statement. "As for her personal beliefs," the statement added, "Governor Palin is well able to speak for herself on those issues."

Clearly, however, Palin views the church as the source of an important, if sometimes politically explosive, message. "Having grown up here, and having little kids grow up here also, this is such a special, special place," she told the congregation in June. "What comes from this church I think has great destiny."

And if the political storm over Barack Obama's former pastor Jeremiah Wright is any indication, Palin may face some political fallout over the more controversial teachings of Wasilla Assembly of God.

If the church had a political alignment, it would almost surely be conservative. In his sermons, Kalnins did not hide his affections for certain national politicians.

During the 2004 election season, he praised President Bush's performance during a debate with Sen. John Kerry, then offered a not-so-subtle message about his personal candidate preferences. "I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation. I'm sorry." Kalnins added: "If every Christian will vote righteously, it would be a landslide every time."

Months after hinting at possible damnation for Kerry supporters, Kalnins bristled at the treatment President Bush was receiving over the federal government's handling of Hurricane Katrina. "I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell. That's what it'll get you."

Much of his support for the current administration has come in the realm of foreign affairs. Kalnins has preached that the 9/11 attacks and the invasion of Iraq were part of a "world war" over the Christian faith, one in which Jesus Christ had called upon believers to be willing to sacrifice their lives.

What you see in a terrorist -- that's called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a minute Ed, he's like the good shepherd, he's loving all the time and he's kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he had a part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war.
As for his former congregant and current vice presidential candidate, Kalnins has asserted that Palin's election as governor was the result of a "prophetic call" by another pastor at the church who prayed for her victory. "[He made] a prophetic declaration and then unfolds the kingdom of God, you know."

Even Palin expressed surprise at that pastor's advocacy for her candidacy. "He was praying over me," she said in June. "He's praying, 'Lord make a way, Lord make a way...' And I'm thinking, this guy's really bold, he doesn't even know what I'm gonna do, he doesn't know what my plans are, and he's praying not, 'Oh Lord, if it be your will may she become governor,' or whatever. No, he just prayed for it. He said, 'Lord, make a way, and let her do this next step.' And that's exactly what happened. So, again, very very powerful coming from this church."

In his sermons, Pastor Kalnins has also expressed beliefs that, while not directly political, lie outside of mainstream Christian thought.

He preaches repeatedly about the "end times" or "last days," an apocalyptic prophesy held by a small but vocal group of Christian leaders. During his appearance with Palin in June, he declared, "I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states in the last days, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them."

He also claims to have received direct "words of knowledge" from God, providing him information about past events in other people's lives. During one sermon, he described being paired with a complete stranger during a golf outing. "I said, I'm a minister from Alaska and I want you to know that your wife left you -- you know that your wife left you and that the Lord is gonna defend you in a very short time, and it wasn't your fault. And the man drops his clubs, he literally was about to tee off and he dropped his clubs, and he says, 'Who the blank are you?' And I says, 'well, I'm a minister.' He says, 'how do you know about my life? What do you know?' And I started giving him more of the word of knowledge to his life and he was freaked out."

Kalnins has, of course, preached on a bevy of topics ranging from humility to "overcoming bitterness." But the more controversial remarks reported above were not out of the norm, appearing in numerous sermons spanning the four years of available recordings.

As for Palin, her views on these topics is more opaque. In the wake of the controversy over Jeremiah Wright, a debate has raged about whether political figures should be held responsible for the comments of their religious guiders. Clearly, however, Kalnins, like many national conservative religious leaders, sees Alaska's governor as one of his own. "Gov. Sarah Palin is the real deal," he told his church this past summer. "You know, some people put on a show...but she's the real deal."


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<span style="color: #000066">She's the real deal, alright! Another fundamentalist nut! </span>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html


<span style="color: #000066">And this! </span> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A recall of Mayor Sarah Palin is off the table, at least for now, according to a group calling itself Concerned Citizens for Wasilla. The group of about 60 residents was formed Friday in response to Palin's controversial firing of Police Chief Irl Stambaugh. Members say they're concerned about the direction taken by Palin since her election last fall, and discussed a recall. But members of the group decided instead they first want to hear Palin's explanations </div></div>

wolfdancer
09-02-2008, 10:39 PM
So, I'll be going to hell for voting for Kerry, and speaking out against GWB....and it seems from the Pastor's statement that not only do we have a war President, but a war God as well.
And I thought Obama's pastor was a beer or two short of a six pack.

pooltchr
09-03-2008, 04:27 AM
At least her pastor isn't preaching "God Damn America!", and filling his congregation with racist bs!
If you are going to hold a persons religous background against them, you have to do it to both sides.
Do we want to compare them "pastor to pastor"?

Steve

Chopstick
09-03-2008, 06:06 AM
Compare this:

22 years ago Sarah Palin's husband got a DWI.

22 years ago Obama was a racist coke head who thinks domestic terrorists are "OK guys".

Well, at least he quit doing coke.

Gayle in MD
09-03-2008, 07:24 AM
Pretty distressing huh? Her fundalmentalist pro war statements came from her own mouth, not just her pastors statements.


Guess when the first time anyone from McCain's campaign talked face to face to her....24 hours before they announced her as their candidate. The day after his party leaders threatened to nix the whole convention if he picked Leiberman.

McCain has thrown the biggest Hail Mary pass in political history. Odds on those, are not very good.

Pretty funny how McCain chose a celebraty last night to pitch his big "I was a POW" platform for the presidency, after all the celebraty bashing he threw at Obama.

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Gayle in MD
09-03-2008, 07:27 AM
He never said that, to my knowedge, and if he did, you should provide a reliable source before making such a statement.

As for the coke use, atleast he didn't try to say he couldn't remember, like your boy Bush, who even lied about his DWI.

Gayle in MD
09-03-2008, 07:29 AM
Her own words were quoted. Is she responsible for what she says?

Obama has never said God Dm America.

Try to keep up. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/tired.gifzzzzzzzz

Wally_in_Cincy
09-03-2008, 09:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He never said that, to my knowedge, and if he did, you should provide a reliable source before making such a statement.

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I don't know what "he" you are referring to but I have heard the tape of Wright saying that. And more.

Wally_in_Cincy
09-03-2008, 09:13 AM
If that's your best shot, all I can say is good luck.

Gayle in MD
09-03-2008, 12:24 PM
Obama, who did you think. Steve is trying to compare Obama's pastor, with hers. It was the words that came out of her own mouth that were outrageous.

Then he accused Obama of some kind of approval of radical groups here in this country.

That's just another lie. He's never approved of them.

See, you party throws around so much BS, you all suck it up, but none of you ever bothers to check it out. That's OK, I guess it's a waste of your time, since you'd cut your own throats before you'd vote for a democratic candidate. But don't get on here and spread lies and expect to get away with it, like Steve just did. BobbyRX already has that franshise anyway.


It is what Republicans are famous for. That's one of the reasons why I find them repulsive.

Gayle in Md.

Gayle in MD
09-03-2008, 12:29 PM
That's far from my best shot. There are a whole range of outrageous statements, and lies by Bush that I could address. Thousands of them, including over 900 lies. George Bush has done a hellova lot more to hurt this country than Obama's pastor ever did. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif Sticks and stones, remember.

Why do you think they put the Pinochio nose on his face? Because he tells the truth?

wolfdancer
09-03-2008, 01:33 PM
Steve is missing the main point....we don't want their whack job Pastors to wield any influence over the candidates...we want to keep the principle of separation of church and state.
Too bad Bush wasn't familiar with the first amendment. He might have then consulted congress before declaring war, instead of just letting his faith lead him into deceiving congress about the reasons for war.

Gayle in MD
09-03-2008, 01:50 PM
George Bush is the worst president in history. If we get a good number of dems this time, I hope we can do something about all his criminal activities.

I'm so sick and tired of the right using the BS about Congress when their hands have been tied by those Republican criminals throughout.

I'm like Dick. I want to see Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith, Addison, Rove, Libby and Rice, all get what they deserve.

After what I've seen these last almost five years, boiling them in oil would be too good for them. McCain gets the same bad assessment. He's done nothing! Absolutely NOTHING to stand up to them except push to escalate this lost cause war, so he can get in there and scruff up on all the same styled fear mongering, and parlay it into more abuse of power for his own fantasy executive dictatorship!

They truly make me ill. The longer you watch them, and listen to their religious bs excuses for criminal actions, the more they disgust you.

As for this religious BS, I'm repulsed by that too. Nothing but a tool to use to exploit weak minded, misguided people with no clue.

I'm ashamed to think this country is filled with so many ignorant people. As I stated here long ago, these religious nuts in this country are doing more damage than terrorists. They're out of control completely. This country is not a theocracy.

On a happier note, I can't wait for Bill Maher's new movie, religilous! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif I no it's going to be hilarious, and thought provoking.