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Gayle in MD
09-03-2008, 10:50 AM
Completely hilarious! Better than Bill Maher!

The opening, given by your standard, smile-nod, brilliant Republican woman, announced the VP, as Sara Pawlenty. But, she can't fool me.

In a small, unfilled center, the Christain music was provided by a boom box, and the crowd, heavily dominated by visions of the swinging flag from every camera angle, to the point of distraction! Attended by a somewhat uneasy, confused, white supremecist group, (of the Hermann Goering persuasion) the overwhelming theme,... if you aren't with us, you're not a patriot, and clearly attendence was dominated by the rousing cheers of the famous 28%, nutty rightwing base of the Republican Party.

Enter Smile-Nod Laura, in the first $200,000.00 suit of her reign that didn't look like a Mashall's Knock Off. While managing to avoid any reference to the recession, the war without end, the massive debt, the raging deficits, or the emergency trips of our present SOS and VP, (just doing a bit of damage control to hold off any domestics attacks from our newly energized enemies, until after November, of course) she created the second greatest story ever told, giving accolades to the chimp, who was given a bit of caffeine to snort around 8:00pm, just to insure he'd stay awake for the extra twenty minutes past White House bedtime for Bonzo!

As they cheered for their beloved dictator, (the only ones crazy enough to still do so) he suddenly appeared by satellite, but not in prime time!!! The great dictator and decider of the American downfall, made his own angry statements, aimed at the national evil enemy, the angry left, but without mentioning any of the overwhelming reasons for their anger. Ah'hem, we really can't blame him for that little foible, now can we? But then, we really can't blame him for anything! After all, it's not his fault, he's only the Decider!

Enter Fred Thompson, resurrected from his grave, given a air brush go over and an emergency transfusion of cover girl, (rosey tan) and the best under eye concealer money can buy, he proceeded to deliver the most hypocritical speech in modern times.

He bashed Obama's amazing oratorical talent, reducing it to teleprompter reading, as he simultaneously read his speech from a teleprompter. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif then in a somewhat transparent attempt to confuse, he criticized Joe Biden, framing him as a Washington insider, of the sunday talk show circuit, and Washington social cocktail scene, in spite of Thompson's own famous reputation as THE MOST FREQUENT Washington D.C. bar fly and cocktail consummer in history, known for showing up at sunday talk shows, still drunk from the night before! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif Of course no mention was made of the fact that Biden can be found rushing to catch the train home to Delaware on any given evening.

After his standard Republican warnings about how the other side will have a pregnant government in you pocket, interfering in your private life, and God forbid, taking away your Christian GUNS(!!!) he managed to overlook both McCain's and Sara Lee's, (of Moose burger fame) intended continuation of the Republican Bushwhacked programs for invading America's bedrooms to confiscate all Joy Of Sex manuals, along with birth control pills, diaphrams, etable underware, vibrators, everything but your husband's prescription for Viagra, the life force of peri-menapausal Christian working mother's of five or more, who fear a future shortage of downs syndrone babies.

No mention was made of the the standard policy of forbidding sex education, and who could ask for that, given the shot gun wedding on the schedule, nor was there mention of spying on your phone calls... bank accounts.... credit card purchases... library history... internet action, or having their own Hanoi Hilton torture program outsourced to foreign countries. A policy approved by their own formally tortured POW POW Presidential candidate. It was deleted since it is not quite harmonious with the playhouse 90 style representation of his days there, nor the pretense that he is far too meek, unassumming and modest to discuss it. Of course, that would be difficult, given the many millions he's spending on campaign commercials reminding we Americans of all we owe.

Both Laura and Cindy were a bit tired, having spent several days training Sara Lee in smile-nod, (aka the important uncontroversial work of all patriotic Republican women, and rumored to be her only administrative function, but fully allowed under the coming McCain regime.... If, that is, the deibold machine program proves doable.

The plan hinges on the agreement that the press will agree to take the money, instead of printing the truth about the discontinuation of the VP vetting process, only in the interest of other McCain Hail Mary Passes, presumably frequently required in the planned cowboy dilomacy of unintended consequences.

There were other typically hypocritical references to the dreaded evil angry liberal media, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif but, with no mention that liberal media, was formally McCain's own main public relations format, but alas, that was well before his transition from maverick, to Bush Clone. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/whistle.gif

Leiberman took over, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/sick.gif the traitor of all traitors, since they wouldn't let him into a bar Mitzva he was supposed to attend over at AEI, and having learned the art of lying from the company he's been keeping, he managed to rip off lie after lie, also bashing Obama, and doing his impersonation Jack Nocholas as The Joker.

After breaking with the party's old styled "Keep all Veterans out of the arena" from the sixties, (who can deny they want change?) there were numerous accolades given to all Vets, from all recent wars, but of course, no mention of McCains voting record against every effort to improve life for our veterans after they return home.

We took note of a certain lack of rhythm during the event, but quickly passed it off to not enough money for a good band, and being compromised by an all white congregation, many of whom are probably not allowed to dance, or indugle in the snapping of the fingers.

All in all it will not go down as a rousing event, nor particularly informative, or fact driven, but we feel sure that the base will be a rousing group when Sara moves into the spotlight, and we get some sense of her accomplishments as the gun slinging wilderness governor of 18 months. Closest to Russia, and enriched by the obvious foreign policy experience of her geographical location, (most assuredly her greatest strength) she will be the lynchpin in the future dictator's plans for Russia, which are being launched by our illustrious current VP at this moment in Georgia. Given her unique proximity to the next Republican Missile attacks, and her famous Moose shooting expertise, the future occupation should prove very successful. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Gee, too bad the terrorists stole all the oil from Iraq, we were already there! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif

pooltchr
09-03-2008, 06:28 PM
You must be really scared. The bitterness is overflowing throughout your entire post.
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Do you get the feeling like you might be on a sinking ship?

Steve

Gayle in MD
09-03-2008, 08:26 PM
Actually I was laughing the whole time I was writing this. I found the whole event laughable. I've seen more reality on Walt Disney. Republicans are a joke, haven't you heard?

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wolfdancer
09-04-2008, 01:39 AM
Re the RNC... describing it in just one word:
Plastic

For those that missed the GWB appearance by satellite; here's the link:
Our leader (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8)

pooltchr
09-04-2008, 04:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually I was laughing the whole time I was writing this. I found the whole event laughable. I've seen more reality on Walt Disney. Republicans are a joke, haven't you heard?

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I wonder if you will still be laughing in November. Sarah Palin didn't just hit a home run last night...she hit a GREAN SLAM!

Steve

Gayle in MD
09-04-2008, 06:08 AM
Gee, a grean slam, huh? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Not sure exactly what that is, but it must reference the reaction from the national audience! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/sick.gif

Deeman3
09-04-2008, 07:25 AM
The nattacks on this woman are backfiring already, even some of the liberal women in the media, the ones who may have actually faced this type of sexism, are saying, "Wait, what you are saying wouls not be said about a man!"

Gayle, the reaction from the national audience is exactly what everyone is talking about, no the whining of a few liberal hate mongers.

Keep it up! Sarah seems to be adult enough to deal with all of you.

Gayle in MD
09-04-2008, 07:35 AM
Is Dr. Laura a liberal? Peggy Noonan, a liberal? Chuck Todd? Michael Murphy?

No one has attacked her except for the right wing pundits, and some member of the Republican party, FYI. Dr. Laura is the only media person who has attacked her, so don't try to put it into a liberal box.

I watched three liberal women discussing her last night on Larry King's show, after her speech. They were all respectful. None of them attacked her.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Keep it up. Sara seem adult enough to deal with all of you. </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066">All of you? Exactly what box are you trying to put me into, Deeman. I'm now a liberal hate monger? Voters don't have a right to have an opinion about Sara, because she is a rightie? BWA HA HA HA...after all your trashing of Hillary Clitnton on this sight, Sara is off limits? I hardly think your pot shots at me are reasonable. </span>
Gayle in Md.

Deeman3
09-04-2008, 08:01 AM
I am putting you in the box of those who say she is not qualified simply because she does not agree with your political leanings. Of course, if I was far left, I'd probably be doing the same thing. What else can you do? You can't question her accomplishments when those you admire have so few.

Mrs. Palin, did not have to move to a state she had never lived in a few weeks before running for office. She certainly didn't have to ride the coattails of a political husband's success. She didn't all of a sudden, become a women's rights advocate and cause celeb after standing by her man. She, unlike so many others, has not claimed to be other than she is, a soccer mom who got into politics and has fought her own party for her constituents. For that, she's labeled a dizzy bitch.

I thihnk she clearly laid out her executive experience in relationship to Obama's in pretty good fashion last night. I don't really think its an argument Obama wants to have. You are claiming the right is the group abusing her? You read the trashy Huffington Post and Moveon.org. You know what they are saying. I don't and won't pull up and quote their ugly blogs. If you think she is getitng fair treatment by the left, you have lost your sense of justice and fair play. If they keep at it, it will cost them the election as some women, like her, won't take it for long and Obama will be the one accountable unlike with Hillary.

InTheZone
09-04-2008, 08:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Exactly what box are you trying to put me into, Deeman. I'm now a liberal hate monger? Voters don't have a right to have an opinion about Sara, because she is a rightie? BWA HA HA HA...after all your trashing of Hillary Clitnton on this sight, Sara is off limits? I hardly think your pot shots at me are reasonable. [/color]
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As the old saying goes, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, pretty much it is a duck!! QED

Gayle in MD
09-04-2008, 08:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am putting you in the box of those who say she is not qualified <span style="color: #000066">She isn't qualitfied. </span> simply because she does not agree with your political leanings. <span style="color: #000066">She isn't qualified regardless of my views, as you might find in my post today, many from the right do not think she is qualified. </span> Of course, if I was far left, I'd probably be doing the same thing. What else can you do? You can't question her accomplishments when those you admire have so few. <span style="color: #000066">Those I admire have very many, and many many more than she has. </span>

Mrs. Palin, did not have to move to a state she had never lived in a few weeks before running for office. <span style="color: #000066">You hate Hillary Clinton? </span> She certainly didn't have to ride the coattails of a political husband's success. <span style="color: #000066">You hate Hillary Clinton? That's not a ssexist statement? That's not bashing a Democrat?</span> She didn't all of a sudden, become a women's rights advocate and cause celeb after standing by her man. <span style="color: #000066">Neither did Hillary. she was involved as a women's advocate all the way back to her college days. Stop with the lies. </span> She, unlike so many others, has not claimed to be other than she is, a soccer mom who got into politics and has fought her own party for her constituents. <span style="color: #000066">She also left her township in debt. She also raised taxes. She's also lying about her experience, and is under investigation for abusing her power, and being vindictive, firing a public servant who refused to do her nasty vindictive dirty work. Those are facts. </span> For that, she's labeled a dizzy bitch. <span style="color: #000066">I didn't call her that. </span>

I thihnk she clearly laid out her executive experience in relationship to Obama's in pretty good fashion last night. <span style="color: #000066">She exaggerated and told outright lies. I've already posted some of them. </span> I don't really think its an argument Obama wants to have. You are claiming the right is the group abusing her? <span style="color: #000066">Is Doctor Laura a conservative, or not? </span> You read the trashy Huffington Post and Moveon.org. <span style="color: #000066">Do you hate liberals? </span> You know what they are saying. I don't and won't pull up and quote their ugly blogs. <span style="color: #000066">LMAO! How many right wing conservative blogs are out there posting lies about Hillary, and Obama, and Joe Biden? All that slandering was fine with you, as long as it came from the right.</span> If you think she is getitng fair treatment by the left, you have lost your sense of justice and fair play. <span style="color: #000066">I know of no people from obama's campaign, none, who have spread all that divisive, lying bs during this campaign. If you do, point them out, don't just throw undocumented hatefilled accusations around. I don't do that. I provide proff, and links. </span> If they keep at it, it will cost them the election as some women, like her, won't take it for long and Obama will be the one accountable unlike with Hillary.

<span style="color: #000066">Like I said earlier, you righties love the slandering accustations, and all the lies that your party spreads around, and is famous for. What is witmessed last night is proof of what I've seen for twenty years. Republicans are experts at lying and filthy dirty politics. They've been at it for two decades, and it is admired by all of you righties, but you're the first ones to jump up and yell foul, at times when no people from the left are even lying, or slandering.

The base of the conservative party will love this woman. The rest of the women in this country, I believe, by a vast majority, will find this choice personally offensive. This women was chosen strictly as a ploy to use her good looks and her squeeky clean false persona, while other women much more qualified for the position were passed over. That is sexism at it brightest. McCain just hung himself.

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Gayle in MD
09-04-2008, 09:12 AM
<span style="color: #000066">There is no bashing in this article, and it isn't from the Huffpo site. But it does point to some of Palin's outright lies. </span>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/01/AR2008090101716.html

ST. PAUL, Minn. -- Has anyone noticed that Sarah Palin's central claim to political fame is a fraud? She represents herself as a fiscal conservative who abhors pork-barrel projects and said no thanks to the "Bridge to Nowhere" -- a $398 million span that would have linked Ketchikan, Alaska, to its airport across the Tongass Narrows. But as mayor of Wasilla (pop. 9,780), she hired a Washington lobbyist to bring home the bacon. And as a candidate for governor just two years ago, she supported both the Ketchikan bridge and the congressional earmark that would have paid most of its cost.

know, we're not supposed to pay attention to such inconvenient details. We're supposed to be dazzled by how unaffected she is, how plain-spoken, how "genuine."

Indeed, if you don't get hung up on her actual record, Palin simply is who she is. It's not her fault that she's a former Miss Wasilla with a campy "Northern Exposure" vibe, doctrinaire social-conservative views and no discernible qualifications for being vice president. It's undeniable that people in Alaska apparently like her well enough, though they seem to have been even more shocked than the rest of us when she was named to the Republican ticket. In any event, she's not the one who created this farcical situation.


We learned last week that John McCain is not who he is -- not, at least, who he claims to be. The steady, straight-talking, country-first statesman his campaign has been selling is a fictional character. The real McCain is either alarmingly cynical or dangerously reckless.

You will recall that McCain gave the same prime criterion for choosing a running mate that every presidential candidate gives: someone who is ready to step in as president if, heaven forbid, the need arises. Barack Obama echoed those words before picking Joe Biden, who is about as prepared as a vice presidential candidate could ever be.

You will also recall that McCain and his supporters have been lecturing us about the grave and urgent dangers our country faces -- Islamic fundamentalism, the resurgence of Russia and other geopolitical threats. In a menacing world, McCain says, he will keep America safe.

So, at 72 and with a history of cancer, how could McCain choose a vice presidential nominee who has, let's face it, zero experience in foreign affairs? Being the nominal commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard doesn't count, unless you think Vladimir Putin is about to order an invasion across the Bering Strait.

At a time when the nation also confronts enormous challenges at home, Palin has, um, slightly more than zero experience in domestic affairs. The reason most people move to Alaska is that it's different from the rest of the country. Salmon fishing and snowmobile racing are not front-page news in Ohio, Pennsylvania or Florida.

McCain's political calculation in choosing Palin is obvious. Social conservatives, who had been unexcited by his candidacy, are ecstatic that he has picked a running mate who staunchly opposes abortion, favors the teaching of "intelligent design" in the public schools and generally embraces the agenda of the religious right.

I have my doubts about the other objective of McCain's gambit: to win the votes of blue-collar women who supported Hillary Clinton. For one thing, these voters disagree sharply with Palin on most of the issues. For another, initial indications are that many women were insulted at the notion that they would automatically swoon over any candidate who happened to have two "X" chromosomes. Republicans tend to have a comically simplistic view of how "identity politics" works. They should recall how African Americans reacted when Clarence Thomas was named to the Supreme Court.

Whatever the political impact, so much for the John McCain we thought we knew. In choosing Palin, he cynically did the kind of thing that his party is always accusing Democrats of doing: He selected a running mate based on her potential ability to appeal to targeted segments of the electorate rather than for her honestly assessed ability to lead the nation should the occasion arise.

The other thing we learned about McCain is that he is willing to take an enormous gamble based on limited information. He only met Palin once before summoning her for a final interview. He realized he needed to shake up the presidential race, and that's what he did. But we are reminded, if we did not realize it before, that the three things not to expect from a McCain presidency are caution, prudence and a willingness to always put the nation's interests above his own.

eugenerobinson@washpost.com

Read more from Eugene Robinson at washingtonpost.com's new opinion blog, PostPartisan.

Deeman3
09-04-2008, 09:33 AM
I do dislike Hillary Clinton. I do not hate her. My dislike has nothng to do with her being a woman.

McCain just hung himself? Well, maybe, but it sure does not look that way to me. I thought his campaign was pretty much dead. If he doesn't get a sizable bounce from the convention, perhaps you are right. Again, if she is so unqualified, I still feel Obama is much more so unqualified.

The real case will be if American women, not the Hillary Zealots, find her appealing and likeable. I find her both but, agin, I am not the key demographic. Like Biden, she adds to the base, who were not energized with McCain. She will never appeal to those who want government to oversee and "protect" them against competition and success or failure. I don't think she played to that segment anyway. Her appeal is to Christian women, successful women who have taken on the capitolistic system and been successful and those who may have sacrificed their careers for their mates but see, in her, someone who lived out their dreams, without a lot of help from quotas that many see only benefiting a very small segment of women who pull up the door behind them.

If she had a slightly different political agenda and was for much more government control over citizens, she would be seen as a very accomplished woman.

We all heard them say how she had never been exposed to this typw of stage and this type of challenge. I do not know of a single man in politics who could have pulled this off as gracefully and as tackfully she did last night.

Now she much face Biden, a 30 year fixture in Washingtom who has to know even the most obscure name in world politics or he cmes off like a Washington talk machine. She slips up, she will be chastized, he does so and his whole world blows up, along with his partner.

You try to find legislation that Obama has sponsored and fightd he has made and its pretty hollow, we all know that. I mean, listing the Obama-Kennedy legislations would be nice and how about Liberman-Obama? Gee, he did make at least one forigen relations meeting, didn't he?

What he has done, since winning his Senate seat, even before he was a candidate, was run for President! Now, if he had known, which he did not, that he would pull the upset on Hillary and Bill, he would have cemented his credentials for the campaign but he was really looking to 2012 at the earliest, we all know that.

Of course, Sarah Palin was certainly a person who had no earthly idea that she would be running for VP even as early as few monthsd ago and, until Friday, was not really thinking she was in the chase, but in all these years, despite a couple of earmarks and a daughter who may nt have lived up to your expectation and hers, she did the right thing, time after time.

I think she's on the wrong part of the ticket as is Obama. If they would switch them, I'd be campaigning for her. She is the left's worse nightmare, a real woman. She may not be as attractive as Hillary nor have experience supervising 4 people at the Harvard Law Review but when she had to stand up against her own party, she did it and everyone knows it. Obama couldn't stand up against Hillary without giving her over half his convention time!

Tell Harry Truman you can't be a small town rube and stand up to big political heavyweights, No, ask Gen Doug!

I have never supported slandering lies from far right blogs, just as I don't like them from the far left. With our media, the left gets much more mainstream play.

I have to say, overall I found CNN unusually fair last night. Even the loons were reeled in and were mostly respectful.

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Be honest, don't you think Hillary is snickering right now?

Gayle in MD
09-04-2008, 10:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> do dislike Hillary Clinton. I do not hate her. My dislike has nothng to do with her being a woman.
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<span style="color: #000066">Do you deny bashing her on this site? You can't have it both ways, Deeman. You can't bahs Hillary, and contend that you don't hate her, while accusing me of bshing a Republican women, that I supposedly hate. As I say, there is a double standard with the Republicans, even here. </span>

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McCain just hung himself? Well, maybe, but it sure does not look that way to me. I thought his campaign was pretty much dead. If he doesn't get a sizable bounce from the convention, perhaps you are right. Again, if she is so unqualified, I still feel Obama is much more so unqualified.

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<span style="color: #000066">Obama is well liked on The Hill, and has worked across the isle, and you do not give him the credit he deserves for the legislation he has worked on, and succeeded, eventhough I hav listed it here several times, I believe. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The real case will be if American women, not the Hillary Zealots, <span style="color: #000066">There you go again? And I'm a Hillary Zealot. While you, OTOH, who supports a woman who thinks God wants us to kill people, are not a zealot? </span> find her appealing and likeable. I find her both but, agin, I am not the key demographic. Like Biden, she adds to the base, who were not energized with McCain. She will never appeal to those who want government to oversee and "protect" them against competition and success or failure. <span style="color: #000066">No, she just wants to tell them what they can read, what they can and can't do with their own bodies, and who can and can't be married. </span> I don't think she played to that segment anyway. Her appeal is to Christian women, successful women who have taken on the capitolistic system and been successful and those who may have sacrificed their careers for their mates but see, in her, someone who lived out their dreams, without a lot of help from quotas that many see only benefiting a very small segment of women who pull up the door behind them. <span style="color: #000066"> And I suppose you think that description does not fit Liberal thinking women? You think all liberal women burned their bras, and were zonked out on drugs, and their biggest accomplishment in life was going to Woodstock.</span>

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<span style="color: #000066">Flash, your party, and the Conservative religious types in it, are the ones who want to control all others according to their personal belief system. Why can't you see that? No one is sayig that she isn't accomplished, just not an appropriate person to step in and lead this country, just as McCain isn't. He is divisive, a hawk, a hot head, and a liar. </span>

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We all heard them say how she had never been exposed to this typw of stage and this type of challenge. I do not know of a single man in politics who could have pulled this off as gracefully and as tackfully she did last night.
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<span style="color: #000066"> Tactfully? You call bashing the media, bashing the left, bashing Hillary Clinton, Biden, Barack, Bashing everyone in sight, tactful? Please! Obama gave a speech about bring America together, and rallied the whole world, a few years back. I guess that doesn't count for anything when our government is crippled by partisanship divisions, which, BTW, McCain and Sara, will deepen and expand, obviously. After her statements, and those of the Republican operatives, I think we all see were they are going, more division, more politics of personal destruction, more slimey tactics. I for one, am sick and tired of that, and so is the rest of this country. We didn't hear that kind of low down condescension during Obama's campaign. </span>

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Now she much face Biden, a 30 year fixture in Washingtom who has to know even the most obscure name in world politics or he cmes off like a Washington talk machine. She slips up, she will be chastized, he does so and his whole world blows up, along with his partner.
<span style="color: #000066">Joe Biden is one of the most admired people in the city, and loved by those he represents. He is as honest as the day is long. You can believe this, we'd be way ahead of this whole mess if Joe Biden was running the show. And, you'll never hear about him throwing out of control fits when he doesn't get his way, and trying to punch people out. </span>
You try to find legislation that Obama has sponsored and fightd he has made and its pretty hollow, we all know that. <span style="color: #000066">No, we all don't know that. I think loose nukes are pretty damned important, and also ethics reform, and several other pieces with his name on them, but what impressed people on the Hill about him, was that he worked across the isle, and respected people, and took council from those who knew more than he did, and had the sense to know the difference. Believe me, that is not McCain's reputation, and there are good reasons why even his base, and his own party, do no like him, and it isn't aan honorable maverick reason, it's his outrageous behavior, and his atttitude that everyone owes him, because he is the son of a Genreal, and he was a pow. </span> I mean, listing the Obama-Kennedy legislations would be nice and how about Liberman-Obama? Gee, he did make at least one forigen relations meeting, didn't he?

<span style="color: #000066">That is also not fair, and not true. </span>

What he has done, since winning his Senate seat, even before he was a candidate, was run for President! Now, if he had known, which he did not, that he would pull the upset on Hillary and Bill, he would have cemented his credentials for the campaign but he was really looking to 2012 at the earliest, we all know that.

<span style="color: #000066">He isn't out there lying about what he has done, and I think he accomplished much more that Sara, who was in the top on earmarks, and has lied about her record on taxes, and on spending. </span>

Of course, Sarah Palin was certainly a person who had no earthly idea that she would be running for VP even as early as few monthsd ago and, until Friday, was not really thinking she was in the chase, but in all these years, despite a couple of earmarks and a daughter who may nt have lived up to your expectation and hers, she did the right thing, time after time.
<span style="color: #000066">According to you, not according to me, and not even acccording to REpublican conservative standards when it comes to taxes and earmarks, and psending. Just because you sell a jet on e-bay, doesn't mean you have the credentials to run the country. </span>
I think she's on the wrong part of the ticket as is Obama. <span style="color: #000066">OMG! So being against abortion, sex ed, and the freedom to read what you want and marry whomever you wish, is all you need to support this woman? </span> If they would switch them, I'd be campaigning for her. She is the left's worse nightmare, a real woman. <span style="color: #000066">Bull! She is the founders worst nightmare! </span> She may not be as attractive as Hillary nor have experience supervising 4 people at the Harvard Law Review but when she had to stand up against her own party, she did it and everyone knows it. <span style="color: #000066">anoterh myth. She started hiring lobbyists as soon as she got in there, and she was right in there with the bad boys throughout. </span> Obama couldn't stand up against Hillary without giving her over half his convention time!

Tell Harry Truman you can't be a small town rube and stand up to big political heavyweights, No, ask Gen Doug!
<span style="color: #000066">LMAo, oh, so now she comparable to General Douglas, and Harry Truman! BWA HA HA HA!! </span>
I have never supported slandering lies from far right blogs, just as I don't like them from the far left. With our media, the left gets much more mainstream play. <span style="color: #000066">You attrribute any questions even asked of this woman to the left. It's part of the elitist right wing attitude, "We're above being asked qustions, hence Bush didn't answer them, nor did his father, and Reagan just made believe he couldn't hear anybody! </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> have to say, overall I found CNN unusually fair last night. Even the loons were reeled in and were mostly respectful.

I just ran across Glenn Beck, he has some promise as a sensible man.

Be honest, don't you think Hillary is snickering right now? </div></div>

I have to say, overall I found CNN unusually fair last night. Even the loons were reeled in and were mostly respectful.

I just ran across Glenn Beck, he has some promise as a sensible man.

Be honest, don't you think Hillary is snickering right now? </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066">What I think is that you are the last person who should be yapping about hatred. I think it is amazing how an intelligent person like yourself, who has traaveled, and worked in high paying positions, could be so completely narrow ninded, and misinformed. That is what I think. </span>

Deeman3
09-04-2008, 10:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> do dislike Hillary Clinton. I do not hate her. My dislike has nothng to do with her being a woman.
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<span style="color: #000066">Do you deny bashing her on this site? <span style="color: #FF0000">NO, I have bashed her and her pantsuits relentlessly but it has othing to do with her being a woman. </span> </span>

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McCain just hung himself? Well, maybe, but it sure does not look that way to me. I thought his campaign was pretty much dead. If he doesn't get a sizable bounce from the convention, perhaps you are right. Again, if she is so unqualified, I still feel Obama is much more so unqualified.

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<span style="color: #000066">Obama is well liked on The Hill <span style="color: #FF0000"> Yes, he is popular no doubt.</span> , and has worked across the isle, and you do not give him the credit he deserves for the legislation he has worked on, and succeeded, eventhough I hav listed it here several times, I believe. <span style="color: #FF0000"> I do not beleive he has ever "reached across the isle". He may agree with a few opponents on a few issues but has not demonstrated bi-partisan actions in my opinion. </span> </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The real case will be if American women, not the Hillary Zealots, <span style="color: #000066">There you go again? And I'm a Hillary Zealot. <span style="color: #FF0000"> Yes, you are a Hillary Zealot. You said you and your daughters sobbed when she lost. Nothing wrong with that but, as a HIllary Zealot, you will never be fairminded about her, as I won't. See, I admitted it. </span> While you, OTOH, who supports a woman who thinks God wants us to kill people, are not a zealot? <span style="color: #FF0000">See, I agree that God may want us to kill people who try to kill us! However, in the absence of proof of his wishes, i am willing to have them killed until they don't desire to kill us. </span> </span> find her appealing and likeable. I find her both but, agin, I am not the key demographic. Like Biden, she adds to the base, who were not energized with McCain. She will never appeal to those who want government to oversee and "protect" them against competition and success or failure. <span style="color: #000066">No, she just wants to tell them what they can read, what they can and can't do with their own bodies, and who can and can't be married. </span> <span style="color: #FF0000">Yes, like the left wantsd to tell you what to think, just the other side of the coin. </span> I don't think she played to that segment anyway. Her appeal is to Christian women, successful women who have taken on the capitolistic system and been successful and those who may have sacrificed their careers for their mates but see, in her, someone who lived out their dreams, without a lot of help from quotas that many see only benefiting a very small segment of women who pull up the door behind them. <span style="color: #000066"> And I suppose you think that description does not fit Liberal thinking women? You think all liberal women burned their bras, and were zonked out on drugs, and their biggest accomplishment in life was going to Woodstock.</span> <span style="color: #FF0000">I don't feel that way and hope you don't. Many women, despite discrinimation became very successful but learned that they empowered themselves much more than UNcle Sam ever would. There are the real heor women, manyof whom spoke about Sarah Palin the other night. You might note than all of them were successful business women beofre their currnt roles, not just the product of the university and political machine. </span>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If she had a slightly different political agenda and was for much more government control over citizens, she would be seen as a very accomplished woman.
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<span style="color: #000066">Flash, your party, and the Conservative religious types in it, are the ones who want to control all others according to their personal belief system. Why can't you see that? No one is sayig that she isn't accomplished, just not an appropriate person to step in and lead this country, just as McCain isn't. He is divisive, a hawk, a hot head, and a liar. </span> <span style="color: #FF0000"> I don't think the people are buying that line anymore. McCain has not sprouted horns and gone off on folks. I think you guys need a more sensational charge now, like he used poor judgement in selecting Mrs. Palin. I don't think he looks so poor a judge by last night's performance. I may be worng. Women from all over may reject her in droves so you better get the message out a little better. Most folks seem inspired by her.</span>

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We all heard them say how she had never been exposed to this typw of stage and this type of challenge. I do not know of a single man in politics who could have pulled this off as gracefully and as tackfully she did last night.
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<span style="color: #000066"> Tactfully? You call bashing the media, bashing the left, bashing Hillary Clinton, Biden, Barack, Bashing everyone in sight, tactful? <span style="color: #FF0000">Yes, she is certainly more tackful than the people attacking her. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span> Please! Obama gave a speech about bring America together, and rallied the whole world, a few years back. I guess that doesn't count for anything when our government is crippled by partisanship divisions, which, BTW, McCain and Sara, will deepen and expand, obviously. After her statements, and those of the Republican operatives, I think we all see were they are going, more division, more politics of personal destruction, more slimey tactics. I for one, am sick and tired of that, and so is the rest of this country. We didn't hear that kind of low down condescension during Obama's campaign. </span> <span style="color: #FF0000"> Well, then McCain's numbers will eb throught he floor after this week. </span>

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Now she much face Biden, a 30 year fixture in Washingtom who has to know even the most obscure name in world politics or he cmes off like a Washington talk machine. She slips up, she will be chastized, he does so and his whole world blows up, along with his partner.
<span style="color: #000066">Joe Biden is one of the most admired people in the city, <span style="color: #FF0000"> See, there it is. With a 9% approval rating, most of the plain folks out there are not that impressed with how popular he is in Washington.</span> and loved by those he represents. He is as honest as the day is long. <span style="color: #FF0000">I think he is an honest man. </span> You can believe this, we'd be way ahead of this whole mess if Joe Biden was running the show. <span style="color: #FF0000"> Again, he would have been a far superiour choice to Obama.</span> And, you'll never hear about him throwing out of control fits when he doesn't get his way, and trying to punch people out. </span>
You try to find legislation that Obama has sponsored and fightd he has made and its pretty hollow, we all know that. <span style="color: #000066">No, we all don't know that. I think loose nukes are pretty damned important, and also ethics reform, and several other pieces with his name on them, but what impressed people on the Hill about him, was that he worked across the isle, and respected people, and took council from those who knew more than he did, and had the sense to know the difference. Believe me, that is not McCain's reputation, and there are good reasons why even his base, and his own party, do no like him, and it isn't aan honorable maverick reason, it's his outrageous behavior, and his atttitude that everyone owes him, because he is the son of a Genreal, and he was a pow. </span> <span style="color: #FF0000"> Again, McCain's rabid past and ooutlaw nature are what many like about him. </span> I mean, listing the Obama-Kennedy legislations would be nice and how about Liberman-Obama? Gee, he did make at least one forigen relations meeting, didn't he?

<span style="color: #000066">That is also not fair, and not true. </span>

What he has done, since winning his Senate seat, even before he was a candidate, was run for President! Now, if he had known, which he did not, that he would pull the upset on Hillary and Bill, he would have cemented his credentials for the campaign but he was really looking to 2012 at the earliest, we all know that.

<span style="color: #000066">He isn't out there lying about what he has done, and I think he accomplished much more that Sara, who was in the top on earmarks, and has lied about her record on taxes, and on spending. </span> <span style="color: #FF0000"> I admit he didn't claim to be dodging gunfire but I don't think his speech said anything other than inspiring hype which, I admit, we need. But we can't govern on it entirely. </span>

Of course, Sarah Palin was certainly a person who had no earthly idea that she would be running for VP even as early as few monthsd ago and, until Friday, was not really thinking she was in the chase, but in all these years, despite a couple of earmarks and a daughter who may nt have lived up to your expectation and hers, she did the right thing, time after time.
<span style="color: #000066">According to you, not according to me, and not even acccording to REpublican conservative standards when it comes to taxes and earmarks, and psending. Just because you sell a jet on e-bay, doesn't mean you have the credentials to run the country. </span>
I think she's on the wrong part of the ticket as is Obama. <span style="color: #000066">OMG! So being against abortion, sex ed, and the freedom to read what you want and marry whomever you wish, is all you need to support this woman? </span> If they would switch them, I'd be campaigning for her. She is the left's worse nightmare, a real woman. <span style="color: #000066">Bull! She is the founders worst nightmare! </span> She may not be as attractive as Hillary nor have experience supervising 4 people at the Harvard Law Review but when she had to stand up against her own party, she did it and everyone knows it. <span style="color: #000066">anoterh myth. She started hiring lobbyists as soon as she got in there, and she was right in there with the bad boys throughout. </span> Obama couldn't stand up against Hillary without giving her over half his convention time!

Tell Harry Truman you can't be a small town rube and stand up to big political heavyweights, No, ask Gen Doug!
<span style="color: #000066">LMAo, oh, so now she comparable to General Douglas, and Harry Truman! BWA HA HA HA!! </span>
I have never supported slandering lies from far right blogs, just as I don't like them from the far left. With our media, the left gets much more mainstream play. <span style="color: #000066">You attrribute any questions even asked of this woman to the left. It's part of the elitist right wing attitude, "We're above being asked qustions, hence Bush didn't answer them, nor did his father, and Reagan just made believe he couldn't hear anybody! </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> have to say, overall I found CNN unusually fair last night. Even the loons were reeled in and were mostly respectful.

I just ran across Glenn Beck, he has some promise as a sensible man.

Be honest, don't you think Hillary is snickering right now? </div></div>

I have to say, overall I found CNN unusually fair last night. Even the loons were reeled in and were mostly respectful.

I just ran across Glenn Beck, he has some promise as a sensible man.

Be honest, don't you think Hillary is snickering right now? </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066">What I think is that you are the last person who should be yapping about hatred. I think it is amazing how an intelligent person like yourself, who has traaveled, and worked in high paying positions, could be so completely narrow ninded, and misinformed. That is what I think. </span> </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000"> As I grow older and wiser, I'll learn more and improve. If misinformed, I guess we just don't get that unvarnished news coerage you guys in the beltway receice. Maybe later. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</span>

Gayle in MD
09-04-2008, 11:06 AM
I guess you don't, they don't give it on Faux News, and you can't find it with the likes of Glen Beck, or Bill Orally, (sic)either.

wolfdancer
09-04-2008, 03:21 PM
now that was funny...who wrote that?, and are they now under investigation by the blackwater group?

LWW
09-04-2008, 04:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You must be really scared. The bitterness is overflowing throughout your entire post.
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Do you get the feeling like you might be on a sinking ship?

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Dems cross country are changing their Depends today.

LWW

mike60
09-04-2008, 05:00 PM
Dream on silly fools. This dizzy bitch from Alaska has all the class of Nurse Rachet and the humanity of a concentration camp guard.

Next


miguel james kopp doing forever as some guy's bitch

Gayle in MD
09-04-2008, 06:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">now that was funny...who wrote that?, and are they now under investigation by the blackwater group?
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I'm not sure what you're refering to? Sorry.

pooltchr
09-04-2008, 07:32 PM
I thought Sarah covered the whole experience issue with one line I heard today. "In the Governor's office, I didn't have a button marked "PRESENT" to push."

Steve

wolfdancer
09-05-2008, 02:39 AM
I was referring to what you posted....Blackwater, I figure, does all GWB's "wet ops" work...

Gayle in MD
09-05-2008, 09:39 AM
Well, if you're talking about my original post at the top of this thread, you must know who wrote it, right?
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Gayle in MD
09-05-2008, 09:42 AM
yep, and that's why your very first post has you quacking and bah bah bahing like one of the nutty 28%! far right wing sheep. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif