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Deeman3
09-05-2008, 07:28 AM
I was very busy last night and did not catch the last of the convention. I assume for the comments of some of my friends here that McCain did, indeed, conceed the race last night. No?

If he staying in the race despite having a woman on the ticket, how did he come across?

cheesemouse
09-05-2008, 07:40 AM
pretty much...

Deeman3
09-05-2008, 07:50 AM
Yes, I just read throught he text and it seemed pretty good but amybe a little light on some issues, like Obama no borders position, a little on the economy but almost no attacks on specific issues, almost no attacks on Obama ( I guess he'll leave that to Palin) but some efforts to redefin his party.

Not bad but it remains to be seen if he can win in November against the competition, MSNBC, CBS and th eothers can be tough.

I thought Obama did really well on O'reilly and showed some spunk showing up. I thought his answers were not bad and as Bill said, "This guy is tough!"

I am curious to see his answers on the Ayers and other association issues.

Gayle in MD
09-05-2008, 08:04 AM
Dearest Deeman,
Tune in any morning of the week for four hours of Joe Sacrborough from 6 to 9 am, prime pre-work time, for the same lies about Republicans and their failed policies that you can get 24 hours a day on Faux News.

They are all Republicans, Scarborough, Mika, Tim, Mike, Bryan Wilson, Katie Couric, Andrea Mitchell, Tom Brokaw, all RR Republican pundits.

There are two token lefties, Mathews, who is really formally a lefty, and Oberman. Even Steve Scully, the top man at C-Span, is Right Wing, hence Helen Thomas got bumped back a row, while he had top position at the White House Press Room.

"There are no liberals in the press." Helen Thomas

Chopstick
09-05-2008, 08:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"There are no liberals in the press." Helen Thomas </div></div>

"Liar." Chopstick

PS~~~Sarah Palin has more shoes than you do.

Gayle in MD
09-05-2008, 08:32 AM
You're calling Helen Thomas a Liar? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif

How could you? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Deeman3
09-05-2008, 09:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dearest Deeman,
Tune in any morning of the week for four hours of Joe Sacrborough from 6 to 9 am, prime pre-work time, for the same lies about Republicans and their failed policies that you can get 24 hours a day on Faux News.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Gayle, I watch very little Fox News with O'reilly being the exception. I see him as fair. He was fair to Hillary and now seems to be doing the same wiht Obama. I think Obama would never sit down with him unless he felt he would recieve fair treatment but he will be asked difficult questions. </span>

They are all Republicans, Scarborough, Mika, Tim, Mike, Bryan Wilson, Katie Couric, Andrea Mitchell, Tom Brokaw, all RR Republican pundits. <span style="color: #FF0000">

I can't agree they are all republicans, not by a long shot. </span>

There are two token lefties, Mathews, who is really formally a lefty, and Oberman. Even Steve Scully, the top man at C-Span, is Right Wing, hence Helen Thomas got bumped back a row, while he had top position at the White House Press Room.

"There are no liberals in the press." Helen Thomas </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000"> We, of course, differ on what we consider "liberal". I most often, watch the conventions on C-Span so, therefore no spin at all.

I consume all sorts of news during my day, from NPR to talk radio, to local newspapers, to even CBS News every evening. I feel I have developed the ability to separate the bias in most cases. I will not say I am not biased, humans, in all honesty, always think they have no bias when we all do, if we have heart.

We, by nature, become a little more socialised over time. It has happened in Europe to a great extent and will continue to happen here as well. I am probably more in ine with Obama's public stance than you might think. However, I do know he is much more liberal than his centrist campaign has become lately and together with a Democratic Majority, he frightens many of us. Is that legitimate? I'm not entirely sure. Unfortunately, most of our modern political campaigns are driven by fear and politics as usual. Obama made a good start at changing that but has recently been doing the same, just with a different party label. </span>

Gayle in MD
09-05-2008, 09:30 AM
Well, the biggest diffeence that I see in Obama, and mcCain sis that I don't think Obama's going to try to use the presidency to push social issues to the top in order to appease his base.

McCain has already stated that that is his intention, in fact, promised it.

Also, McCain fully intends to continue with Bush's tax and economic policies in general. The only think he promises to do differently, is cut psending, the one promise that no president EVER keeps once they're in there.

I'm no economist, but I have been doing a great deal of reading and studying about economic policies among our presidents, and historically, Republicans always cut taxes, and increase the debt, usually havig to raise taxes in the interest of our solvency before they even get out of office.

We do have demanding social programs. The only way to fix them is to stop giving the filthy rich a bye on paying their fair share of taxes.

No, they do no pay what they should, given that they own 90% of the wealth in this country. And they do exploit the rest of us in that sense, and do not increase our jobs, or the quality of life for the masses. In fact, they abuse it.

The more money they get, the more they want, and it is insane to be giving tax breaks to the very corporations who are outsourcing our jobs, polluting our environment, and war profiteering on the blood of our youth.

Cheap oil should not be our goal at this time, and McCain will not promote those policies that will wean us away from it. We need to reward those corporations which work to benefit AMericans, not exploit them, and gouge them at every turn. The government has become nothing but a stepping stone for our representatives to jump from government, into positions of financial gain with the very corrupt lobbyists and corporate fscsits who are greedy, and irresponsible AMericans.

For McCain, with his voting record, to get up there asking "Fight with me" "Fight for America" is positively the biggest hoax since Bush intentionally scared the **** out of the American people to enhance his power, and hidden agendas.

It is very easy to see which segments of our society are suffering, and which have made a killing these years of REpublican control. Neither party is perfect, but when Republicans have control, they are first class buglers with no police force! corporations will never regulate themselves. De-=regulation has hurt our country, along with all other Republican policies.

cheesemouse
09-05-2008, 09:48 AM
Dee, Many may ask "why would Obama walk into the enemy camp(fox/O'Rielly) and allow open questioning?" It is probably a no lose situation for Obama as it shows no fear, a willingness to give his message anywhere, and nearly anything he says will appear at the very least centrist. He can't win over any of the hardcore viewers but there will many swingers viewing because of the hype. Obama always comes across as very respectful. O'Rielly has difficulty with calm, thoughtful and reasonable quests especially one he is forced to treat with some deference. O is not stupid he knows his limits of behavior required with such high test guests.
If Mc/Pelin try to go into hiding by avoiding compromising situations during the next two months the obvious contrast will be there to exploit. Remember when GW never appeared anywhere that wasn't totally a controlled situation with high school band and all.

Deeman3
09-05-2008, 09:52 AM
While I don't agree with all your points, you would know better if I said I did. Some parts of them are the very reason I have not campaigned for McCain and have not been excited about his possible election and, of course, for me, the introduction of Mrs. Palin didn't change it much.

If Obama had said, "You know, I want to change the economy by some real control of spending and will show you where the money is coming from." If he had made it clear this was not about class warfare and mega redistribution of the wealth but soley concentrated on getting rid of the unfair government subsities in big business and not a simple take from the wealthy and give to the poor, I could be excited about him. It is not the retoric that moves me but the willingness to govern for all of us, rich and poor.

Policies he takes positions on will cost my family a lot, my children a very healthy portion of what I have accumulated and, yes, earned over the years. This is not a simple $30K increase in a taxpayer's bill each year, it can be the transfer of accumulated wealth that is given to who? You say, the poor, the deserving. I would not mind that as much but we all know where billions and billions go. The waste in the military bothers me as well. If Obama had come up with a sincere message about real reform, not the same partisan poor vs. rich, I'd probably be his biggest supporter.

So, what in reality I expect, is for him to increase spending, with no eye toward savings, reward teachers, for instance, without a single requirement of competency and to be the same old political hack that we have become accustomed to in both parties. A typical Chicago maob. populist approach to politics, a place he learned the game.

I have given every dime I have contributed this year to local politicians and have refused on several occasions to contribute to the McCain effort. As I have said, he has not earned it but Obama has done nothing but fill the air with talk as well.

It is a sad choice for our country but I can't blame them for giveing the other crooks a trun at bat. They need their graft as well, I guess.

Gayle in MD
09-05-2008, 10:00 AM
Cheese,
They had her on a plane back to Alaska before all the baloons dropped!

This is from Crooks and Liars! Pretty good.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has anyone heard anything about how the Republicans will try and fix the economy so far during their Convention? Not a peep. They practically hid the fact that it IS a Republican Convention. And as Rick Davis says:

“This election is not about issues,” said Davis. “This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates.”

It’s a party of no ideas because the old ones do not work. They are good at attack dog politics, which is what Davis means. Well, they did add a few new ones like the preemptive doctrine or–attack anyone the neocons want. Then scold other nations when they copy that policy. Torture and rendition too, but the media won’t dare to bring that up during an election season.

Bush got a few minutes to speak and Cheney was a no show. I’m sure tonight McCain will talk about making Bush’s tax cuts permanent because the economy is so bad—because Bush’s tax cuts worked so well in making the rich, really rich, yea—the country is very happy—which he wants to make permanent. And then I reckon we’ll hear how he’ll make health care more affordable because he’ll demand health insurance companies give you better prices. See, easy fix. Then the rest of the night will be about how he knows how to win wars. WAR, WAR, WAR…

UPDATE: How many times did they even mention Bush’s name last night?

Only one mention of President Bush during last night’s RNC.

Last night, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Rudy Giuliani, and Gov. Sarah Palin addressed the Republican National Convention. Between the four of them, there was only one reference to President Bush - in Romney’s pre-prime-time speech…

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What a total switcheroo McCain is trying to pull!

He's admitting he's been along for the ride with the totally failed and corrupt Republican Administration and majority Republlican congress, and how badly they've behaved, and still trying to put on a costume as a maverick, while simultaneously annoucing a continuation of the same failed polcies!

Will the real John McCain please stand up!

This is one for Houdini to pull off! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Gayle in MD
09-05-2008, 10:27 AM
Deeman,
One of the things I was impressed about in his speech, and which has been pushed throughout this campaign, is that he indicates over and over that the poorer african Americans in this country are going to have to be responsible for doing the right thing, and being responsible for their own determination to pull themselves up.

I think he knows that with jobs being shipped out as fast as a flash, we need to rebuild our infrastructure, provide jobs in that, and in the effort to bring about the changes in our energy policies that would increase jobs, and solve all the other surrounding oil issues.

Jobs are such a bedrock of our economy, more jobs, must be part of our plan, and if you noticed, McCain's one statement on that was miserably thin, and not at all promising. We don't need to retrain people, we need to take back our own manufacturing supremacy on a global level, and it can be done.

As for the taxes, the middle class has born the brunt of the Bush tax cuts, and higher prices due to his failure to address our dependency on foreign oil. Bush and Mccain have fought every attempt to promote energy independence. They represent big oil, and more oil, and they will never bite the bullet to send this country on a new path in that regard, we've all watched that for two decades now.

Oil is the central theme of our national Security at this point. Jobs for Americans are essential to rebuild our dying economy. Both Bush and McCain are completely denying our economic circumstances. The job losses have been consistant over eight months, and this report this morning is even more grim.

Those at the top made hey for eight years at the expense of the other 90%. It's time for them to step up to the plate and pay their share to help pull our country up, instead of stuffing their massive gains from an unequal tax policy, into their pockets, and leaving the debt to the next generation.

We have to do what we have to do. The country is going down the drain, and while we rebuld it, we have to give atleast some help to those who will surely starve while we are working to undo all the damage.

McCain has no clue what families are dealing with. These are hard working Americans, who were the casualties of the voodoo economics of the Republican policies skewed for the benefit of the wealthy man, and the corporate fascists who care only about their own bottom line, and with no concern for the best interests of America.

We cannot survive an economic policy which benefits only the richest among us, who are the very same ones who are outsourcing American jobs. A global economy has to work as well for AMerican workers as it does for the rest of the world. And a domestic policy also has to work for all, not just the wealthy.

As for our teachers, they are the lowest paid segment of society's services. Firemen and policemen are better paid, and have better retirement. Education is the key to our future, and just like everything else, you only get back what you pay for. They have been crippled by Bush's policies, which he pushed through, and then defunded, and pushed out most of the really good teachers who were frustrated by Bush's idiotic system, because their function, teaching, which they love, had been compromised.

When I hear someone say that we can't solve our educational system by throwing money at it, I ask them, what problem do you know of that doesn't require more money to fix?

There are many views in our country, but those of Republican policies are not accurate, provable, or successful. If they were, we would not be in the situation we are in right now.

Gayle in Md.

Deeman3
09-05-2008, 10:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Deeman,
One of the things I was impressed about in his speech, and which has been pushed throughout this campaign, is that he indicates over and over that the poorer african Americans in this country are going to have to be responsible for doing the right thing, and being responsible for their own determination to pull themselves up. <span style="color: #FF0000">

Very good if the policy backs up the words, so far it has not but I can remain hopeful. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</span>

I think he knows that with jobs being shipped out as fast as a flash, we need to rebuild our infrastructure, provide jobs in that, and in the effort to bring about the changes in our energy policies that would increase jobs, and solve all the other surrounding oil issues. <span style="color: #FF0000"> I rthink we all want that but do we have the will to accomplish it, after the election is over. How many times have we been promised by both parties? </span>

Jobs are such a bedrock of our economy, more jobs, must be part of our plan, and if you noticed, McCain's one statement on that was miserably thin, and not at all promising. We don't need to retrain people, we need to take back our own manufacturing supremacy on a global level, and it can be done.

<span style="color: #FF0000">I am with you on this but have not heard a single tangible way to do this by either candidate and I have been listening. 5,000,000 grenn jobs sounds nice but it a long way form a program that can deliver. </span>

As for the taxes, the middle class has born the brunt of the Bush tax cuts, and higher prices due to his failure to address our dependency on foreign oil. Bush and Mccain have fought every attempt to promote energy independence. They represent big oil, and more oil, and they will never bite the bullet to send this country on a new path in that regard, we've all watched that for two decades now.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> This, to me, is the real weakness of the Republican Party and still with McCain.</span>

Oil is the central theme of our national Security at this point. Jobs for Americans are essential to rebuild our dying economy. Both Bush and McCain are completely denying our economic circumstances. The job losses have been consistant over eight months, and this report this morning is even more grim. <span style="color: #FF0000">

More Federal Jobs, to me, is not the answer. I hope,in the next weeks, Obama will spell out his solutions as well as McCain.</span>

Those at the top made hey for eight years at the expense of the other 90%. It's time for them to step up to the plate and pay their share to help pull our country up, instead of stuffing their massive gains from an unequal tax policy, into their pockets, and leaving the debt to the next generation.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Aside form a couple of European countries we have the most top heavy tax policy in the world. I don't see that "equalizing" which means further top heavey tax burders will stimulate anything but buying more Chinese craps at Walmart. I hope I am wrong. </span>

We have to do what we have to do. The country is going down the drain, and while we rebuld it, we have to give atleast some help to those who will surely starve while we are working to undo all the damage. <span style="color: #FF0000">

Gayle, I love you but you gotta find us some of those starving Americans out there. The very poorest now average over 300 lbs! I know you saw the two NPR (National Public Radio) starving ladies, over 270 lbs. each! </span>

McCain has no clue what families are dealing with. These are hard working Americans, who were the casualties of the voodoo economics of the Republican policies skewed for the benefit of the wealthy man, and the corporate fascists who care only about their own bottom line, and with no concern for the best interests of America.

We cannot survive an economic policy which benefits only the richest among us, who are the very same ones who are outsourcing American jobs. A global economy has to work as well for AMerican workers as it does for the rest of the world. And a domestic policy also has to work for all, not just the wealthy.

As for our teachers, they are the lowest paid segment of society's services. Firemen and policemen are better paid, and have better retirement. Education is the key to our future, and just like everything else, you only get back what you pay for. They have been crippled by Bush's policies, which he pushed through, and then defunded, and pushed out most of the really good teachers who were frustrated by Bush's idiotic system, because their function, teaching, which they love, had been compromised.

When I hear someone say that we can't solve our educational system by throwing money at it, I ask them, what problem do you know of that doesn't require more money to fix?

<span style="color: #FF0000">No one says it is not expensive to fix things, we have proven that but all the spending so far, has not fixed this vital issue. Money, alone, is not the answer. With the Union pressure and vote for Obama, it will become the only answer they will accept and we will have slightly higher paid teachers and the same systemic problems. Give us some answers here, Obama, and I will listen but only saying we need money to recruit teachers is not it. Will he get rid of the bad one to pay the good ones more, I don't think so.

There is plenty of money for responsible adults to fix our problems but oweing your political interests to them will just cause more waste and increased spending and taxes for all of us. Last night a commentarot siad, McCain will raaise your taxes, Obama will raise your taxes, in all brackets, you just have to decide which one will spend (waste) less. At this point, I am not sure. If I am going to have to give up more, I would like it to be, at least, not spent by frunker sailors which our 9% approval congress certainly already is.</span>

There are many views in our country, but those of Republican policies are not accurate, provable, or successful. If they were, we would not be in the situation we are in right now.

Gayle in Md.

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Gayle in MD
09-05-2008, 11:19 AM
I am not familiar with teachers in your location, but my experience with teachers has been a very positive one overall. They go into the field because of their pleasure in teaching, for the most part. I think they do a good job, and think as well that parents are the problem, not teachers. If you will recall, Hondo agreed with my take on that, and he was a teacher. Where is he anyway???

As for federal jobs, the infrastructure has been neglected, someone has to fix it, as we are truly at risk because Bush totally ignored it. Some of these things are handled by earmarks, so McCain isn't likely to address it either. If the work must be done, American workers should get the jobs. I can't see a thing wrong with that. What do you want do to, just let the bridges keep on collapsing?

Addressing our energy needs will also require work that must be done right here. These kinds of jobs will be filled by the less educated among us. I would think you would be in favor of that, since they won't be receiving any aid, but working for every dollar. The greater number of jobs provided through infrastructure, and alternative energy, will grow the economy, because the more money that the middle class has to spend, the stronger the economy will be.

All of these issues have been addressed by both Hillary Clinton, and Obama. So far all I have heard from McCain is about slashing earmarks, and as per education, some reference to community college, that was vague at best, and frankly not beleivable.

I don't beleive a word that comes out of his mouth, and think that he definitely will be four more years of Bush's failed economic and foreign polices.

Both Bush and McCain resisted the democratic held policies for the war, and the energy problems. They were demonized, Obama being one of them. Now they themselves, Bush and McCain are trying to calim them for themselves as they now adopt what should have been done long long ago. Finally putting more troops on the ground, but only doing that after already losing hearts and minds. Finally talking with the despots of the world, but pretty much started doing that too late, also, and secretly, in the beginning, and critisizing Obama's (And Biden's) same position on it long ago, simultaneously. Finally looking at Afghanistan, but only after violence has already grown out of control, and the taliban has reconstituted. Finally admitting to global warming, but only now that Scientists assure us that we have reached the tipping point, and Bush knows that if the Republicans don't win the WH, and no one is around to censor them, it's all going to come out anyway.

The North pole is now an island. Shipping companies are thrilled about it. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Sara and others in her party are thrilled over the warmth provided to animals by the pipeline... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif as Alaska melts!

She's trying to take the polar bear off the threatened species list, and in fact, they are drowning, unless you think National Geographic and public television are both propaganda concerns.

Every single thing that McCain and Sara tout is bad for this country, including McCain's desire to defeat evil, and her belief that God supports killing and war policies. Defeat Evil! Do God's work! That is about as intelligent a statement as the terrorists would make.

If we don't get Obama, and joe Biden in there, we can just hang it up. It's our only hope. You can't have watched both speeches, with an open mind, and think otherwise.

Gayle in Md.

wolfdancer
09-05-2008, 11:29 AM
"Dearest Deeman" ?????
have you gone mad, woman?

wolfdancer
09-05-2008, 11:36 AM
" I do know he is much more liberal than his centrist campaign has become lately and together with a Democratic Majority, he frightens many of us. "
Just thinking, what if ????
I know FDR would not have had any chance in the last two elections, especially with the Diebold "wild card", but maybe after
the past two terms of GWB, who makes even Hoover look good....
Do you think he might have a chance with his socialistic concepts like SS, and the WPA ??????

Gayle in MD
09-05-2008, 11:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't agree they are all republicans, not by a long shot.
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Believe me, they are.

Also, I thought I just heard that we had the third cheapest taxes of any industrialized country.

And, BTW, when they did a study to find the happiest people in the world, guess where they lived! Did you watch that?

Gayle in MD
09-05-2008, 11:45 AM
You're right! What was I thinking!!! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Deeman3
09-05-2008, 12:41 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not familiar with teachers in your location, but my experience with teachers has been a very positive one overall. They go into the field because of their pleasure in teaching, for the most part. I think they do a good job, and think as well that parents are the problem, not teachers. If you will recall, Hondo agreed with my take on that, and he was a teacher. Where is he anyway???

<span style="color: #FF0000">He's out making "Yes, we can!" signs to hold up during the debates. </span>

As for federal jobs, the infrastructure has been neglected, someone has to fix it, as we are truly at risk because Bush totally ignored it. Some of these things are handled by earmarks, so McCain isn't likely to address it either. If the work must be done, American workers should get the jobs. I can't see a thing wrong with that. What do you want do to, just let the bridges keep on collapsing?

<span style="color: #FF0000"> No, but I do want the bills to do what they say and not have millions tacked on for the study of the mating habits of elders or for another (number 12) building named after Charlie Rangle. A $25 million bill does not have to become a $250 million bill jus to make a senator happy. Bush was not near the first to ignnore the infrastructure and you know it. </span>

Addressing our energy needs will also require work that must be done right here. These kinds of jobs will be filled by the less educated among us. I would think you would be in favor of that, since they won't be receiving any aid, but working for every dollar. The greater number of jobs provided through infrastructure, and alternative energy, will grow the economy, because the more money that the middle class has to spend, the stronger the economy will be.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Correct, I am all for this. I only hope to see a program that can accomplish this. </span>

All of these issues have been addressed by both Hillary Clinton, and Obama. So far all I have heard from McCain is about slashing earmarks, and as per education, some reference to community college, that was vague at best, and frankly not beleivable.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Granted, he did not have specific plans to save other than accountability and some as you mentioned. As I said, these are some reasons I have not supported his attempt at the office. </span>

I don't beleive a word that comes out of his mouth, and think that he definitely will be four more years of Bush's failed economic and foreign polices.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> I give him more credit than that but feel much the same of any national politicians promises and words. </span>

Both Bush and McCain resisted the democratic held policies for the war, and the energy problems. They were demonized, Obama being one of them. Now they themselves, Bush and McCain are trying to calim them for themselves as they now adopt what should have been done long long ago. Finally putting more troops on the ground, but only doing that after already losing hearts and minds. Finally talking with the despots of the world, but pretty much started doing that too late, also, and secretly, in the beginning, and critisizing Obama's (And Biden's) same position on it long ago, simultaneously. Finally looking at Afghanistan, but only after violence has already grown out of control, and the taliban has reconstituted. Finally admitting to global warming, but only now that Scientists assure us that we have reached the tipping point, and Bush knows that if the Republicans don't win the WH, and no one is around to censor them, it's all going to come out anyway.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Some of this is disengenous as both Hillary and Obama jumped on the bandwagon only after oil spiked, not before. Obama has swooned to the presure on drilling as soon as it became dangerous to oppose it. There are no heros here and Democrats are, like the Republicans, just a little late to the party. You pretend that the Democratic Party had planned all along for a great energy plan when you know they were partners ina do-nothing congress and senate that only though of the issue as important when it was a political tool. People are dunmb and you do have some points, When you manufacturer these claims no one believes you when you do make a point.</span>

The North pole is now an island. Shipping companies are thrilled about it. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

<span style="color: #FF0000">If we can make it all go away, maybe Florida won't be there for the votes to count in a future election. As long as Chopstick makes it, we will be o.k. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span>

Sara and others in her party are thrilled over the warmth provided to animals by the pipeline... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif as Alaska melts!

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Better hunting.</span>

She's trying to take the polar bear off the threatened species list, and in fact, they are drowning, unless you think National Geographic and public television are both propaganda concerns.

<span style="color: #FF0000">No, with the recent explosion in Polar Bear numbers, it would be silly to not keep them available for food, the Eskimo limit was recently raised by 25% becuase of their increased numbers. Will some drown, Yes. Should the disgraceful abuse of journalism shown of supposed drowning bears be allowed when it was not true? Probably, but someone needs to stop all the crying over this issue and not just interviewng the guys who's funding and jobs are dependent on frightening everyone. National Geograpic has apologised but the claims are still not right. Why do you think all the agencies want the Polar Bear kept off the list? Do you say they hate the polar bear? Is this polar bear discrimination? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</span>

Every single thing that McCain and Sara tout is bad for this country, including McCain's desire to defeat evil, and her belief that God supports killing and war policies. Defeat Evil! Do God's work! That is about as intelligent a statement as the terrorists would make.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Every single thing? Like that we should defend this country, that we owe it something, that America is not a bad place, that we are blessed, that our soldiers are heroic? I have to say that much of what they said is true to me and may ring true, outside the beltway, of course. If you really disagree with these thigs and Obama does as well, it should give even us doubtful voters pause. I know this is not France, you have to get over that. We will still require a few years to become that bad. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</span>

If we don't get Obama, and joe Biden in there, we can just hang it up. It's our only hope. You can't have watched both speeches, with an open mind, and think otherwise. <span style="color: #FF0000">

I think we may be in deep trouble with McCain and deeper with Obama but, as I say, I am so dissappointed in the quality of candidtaes on both sides this year, it is discusting. I hope I am wrong and that, if Obama is elected and we face the highest taxes in our history, we can somehow survive. </span>

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wolfdancer
09-05-2008, 01:23 PM
We could solve the polar bear explosion problem humanely, if we can get them to practice abstinence. Look how well this is working in our teen aged population.
so Sarah has some expertise on dealing with the Moose, Polar Bears, and Innuits, as well as keeping the Russians at bay, and unlike most other politicians, can literally shoot from the hip.
Well, there's no other candidate with them outstanding credentials....She'll eat Biden up, and spit him out (figuratively) in a debate

Gayle in MD
09-05-2008, 01:26 PM
You're quite wrong about some of this, Deeeman.

Democratic have tried to push through legislation that would take away oil subsidies, and give those tax breaks and subsidies to companies that are working toward renewable fuels, and alternate forms of energy, and alos higher Cafe' standards, and the Republicans, including McCain, have blocked those efforts, with Leiberman voting with them.

And I do not believe a word that comes out of McCains' mouth. That has nothing to do with when he yaps all his supposed partiotic statements, in and of the statements individual meanings, but rather that when he states them, it's bs. He's is a total phoney. Good at exploiting his accidental and horrible imprisonment, but with only his own agenda for the future. If he had any real concerns about keeping this country safe, above and beyond his own highly ambitious, self empowering agenda, he wouldn't have picked a woman who is totally unprepared to take over this couuntry, with none of the requirements needed to step in for him if necessary.

She was picked to further his own ambitions. Nothing more, and you damned well know that. Does that sound like a man who really gives a **** about keeping this country safe? Hell no. He is driven for power. That's all. And he's not above exploiting his pow experience or anything, and anybody, to get it.

Maybe if you had heard his history, as I have, for thirty years, you'd have a different take on him. Suffice it to say, he's the last person in this world to give a damn about people, or to even treat them with common decency. The way he has treated people I know, happened long after he was back home from his POW experience, and I can tell you, he got nothing of any substance out of it. Listening to him made me want to throw up. I KNOW hos he treats people.

Gayle in Md.

Chopstick
09-05-2008, 01:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"There are no liberals in the press." Helen Thomas </div></div>

"Liar." Chopstick

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You're calling Helen Thomas a Liar? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif

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Well, for starters she was in the press. Duhhh.

Whoever gave her a job obviously had a radical liberal agenda. Is she claiming to personally know the political leanings of everyone in the press? In the entire country? On the earth?

The statement is just plain silly no matter how you turn it. But then again, the internet is littered with the ridiculous antics of this individual. The only reason I can see for people putting up with her is if the entire press core was packed to the ceilings with liberals, which it is.

Whether or not this person is an idiot is a matter of history and not the reason I threw that dart at you.

You sure don't have any problem coming on here and crapping all over everyone else's beliefs and feelings and claiming it is your right. But let someone say something about something or someone you like and now you're all huffy. Well, how's it feel?

Personally, I cannot stand Helen Thomas but I'm not about to login and post a 40 page rant about how I don't like her. Aside from being rude and inconsiderate of others, it would be stupid.

"There is a cure for stupid. Just don't do it." -Chopstick

Gayle in MD
09-05-2008, 05:14 PM
LOL, you don't know much about her, do you. She obviously wasn't icluding herself in that statement.

She was with UPI, and API, and The Times, (among others) until the Moonie man bought it, then she resigned, on principle, and went to work for Hearst Newspapers here in Washington D.C. writing an op ed column.

She is known for her dedication to her craft, which is reporting, and keeping the watch on all administrations, and through that, our democracy.

If they were all like Ms. Thomas, we probably wouldn't ever have been lied into this fiasco in Iraq.

She is known as the First Lady Of The White House Press corps, and admired by all in Washington D.C., except the Bush administration, of course.


She has spent more years covering the Whtie House than any person in our history, living or dead.

She was the designated, "Thank You Mr. President" voice, which ended the WH Press conferences for the president, for decades.

She has written seven books, and was recently the subject of an HBO Special.

She has covered the White House since the end of the Eisenhower Administration, and up until just recently, since she has fallen ill, she was at the Whtie House every morning for the Press releases.

She has had a place of honor, in the front row, for the Presidential Press Conferences until Bush came along.

The internet isn't littered with anything from Helen Thomas, she doesn't blog, and doesnt have a web site.

How does it feel to be bashed by you. Actually, I'm pretty used to it after all these years. How does it feel to read how you have degraded a person of such dignity, and honor, I just consider the source, Chop, and find it amazing that you are so sensitive, and foolish, that you would continue to read my posts when they obviously upset you so much. You can scroll on by, you know.

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