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sack316
09-07-2008, 08:44 PM
I got home from work and and was relaxing a bit before hitting the books, and tuned into NBC's halftime during the Bears-Colts game... and to my extreme pleasure I hear the voices of Keith Olbermann and Dan Patrick calling the highlights from the day! For those that don't recall, they were the SportsCenter duo known as "The Big Show" when they would work together now over a decade ago on ESPN. Their combined talents and method of delivery have attempted to be copied by every anchor since... and I just loved those two together!

So it took me back tonight to hear those two voices calling the highlights from todays football action. For those few minutes I nearly forgot what a douche Keith is... and remembered him the way I used to love him. He's a really good sportscaster, and very entertaining in that role. I just wish he'd stay there, and only there... next to Dan Patrick where he belongs.

Sack

wolfdancer
09-08-2008, 02:45 AM
You would like to silence Keith on politics, but have no problem with Big mouth Bill O'Reilly?
If Keith is a douche, as you say...then O'reilly is an enema bag.

Gayle in MD
09-08-2008, 09:23 AM
You may hear much more of in that role since the vast right wing consipracy, aka the American Cabla Network News, has decided to bump both Keith, and Chris Mathews off future commentary in this election process.

The myth that any liberal press exists continues to live, despite actions like replacing them with Davit GGrregory, a Republican operative, just like replacing Tim Russart, with Brokaw, another Republican.

Perhaps McInsane's people know that more of Sara's scandals are on the way, and are preparing the field further with all the same jersey's.

Deeman3
09-08-2008, 09:36 AM
More of the same...


MSNBC Takes Incendiary Hosts From Anchor Seat
By BRIAN STELTER
MSNBC tried a bold experiment this year by putting two politically incendiary hosts, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, in the anchor chair to lead the cable news channel’s coverage of the election.

That experiment appears to be over.

After months of accusations of political bias and simmering animosity between MSNBC and its parent network NBC, the channel decided over the weekend that the NBC News correspondent and MSNBC host David Gregory would anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night. Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews will remain as analysts during the coverage.

The change — which comes in the home stretch of the long election cycle — is a direct result of tensions associated with the channel’s perceived shift to the political left.

“The most disappointing shift is to see the partisan attitude move from prime time into what’s supposed to be straight news programming,” said Davidson Goldin, formerly the editorial director of MSNBC and a co-founder of the reputation management firm DolceGoldin.

Executives at the channel’s parent company, NBC Universal, had high hopes for MSNBC’s coverage of the political conventions. Instead, the coverage frequently descended into on-air squabbles between the anchors, embarrassing some workers at NBC’s news division, and quite possibly alienating viewers. Although MSNBC nearly doubled its total audience compared with the 2004 conventions, its competitive position did not improve, as it remained in last place among the broadcast and cable news networks. In prime time, the channel averaged 2.2 million viewers during the Democratic convention and 1.7 million viewers during the Republican convention.

The success of the Fox News Channel in the past decade along with the growth of political blogs have convinced many media companies that provocative commentary attracts viewers and lures Web browsers more than straight news delivered dispassionately.

“In a rapidly changing media environment, this is the great philosophical debate,” Phil Griffin, the president of MSNBC, said in a telephone interview Saturday. Fighting the ratings game, he added, “the bottom line is that we’re experiencing incredible success.”

But as the past two weeks have shown, that success has a downside. When the vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin lamented media bias during her speech, attendees of the Republican convention loudly chanted “NBC.”

In interviews, 10 current and former staff members said that long-simmering tensions between MSNBC and NBC reached a boiling point during the conventions. “MSNBC is behaving like a heroin addict,” one senior staff member observed. “They’re living from fix to fix and swearing they’ll go into rehab the next week.”

The employee, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity because the network does not permit it people to speak to the media without authorization. (The New York Times and NBC News have a content-sharing arrangement exclusively for political coverage.)

Mr. Olbermann, a 49-year-old former sportscaster, has become the face of the more aggressive MSNBC, and the lightning rod for much of the criticism. His program “Countdown,” now a liberal institution, was created by Mr. Olbermann in 2003 but it found its voice in his gnawing dissent regarding the Bush administration, often in the form of “special comment” segments.

As Mr. Olbermann raised his voice, his ratings rose as well, and he now reaches more than one million viewers a night, a higher television rating than any other show in the troubled 12-year history of the network. As a result, his identity largely defines MSNBC. “They have banked the entirety of the network on Keith Olbermann,” one employee said.

In January, Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews, the host of “Hardball,” began co-anchoring primary night coverage, drawing an audience that enjoyed the pair’s “SportsCenter”-style show. While some critics argued that the assignment was akin to having the Fox News commentator Bill O’Reilly anchor on election night — something that has never happened — MSNBC insisted that Mr. Olbermann knew the difference between news and commentary.

But in the past two weeks, that line has been blurred. On the final night of the Republican convention, after MSNBC televised the party’s video “tribute to the victims of 9/11,” including graphic footage of the World Trade Center attacks, Mr. Olbermann abruptly took off his journalistic hat.

“I’m sorry, it’s necessary to say this,” he began. After saying that the video had exploited the memories of the dead, he directly apologized to viewers who were offended. Then, sounding like a network executive, he said it was “probably not appropriate to be shown.”

In an interview on Sunday, Mr. Olbermann said that moment — and the perception that he is “not utterly neutral” — restarted months-old conversations about his role on political nights.

“I found it ironic and instructive that I could have easily said exactly what I did say, exactly when I did say it, if I had been wearing a different hat, and nobody would have taken any issue,” he said.

“Countdown” will still be shown before the three fall debates and a second edition will be shown sometime afterwards, following the program anchored by Mr. Gregory.

The change casts new doubt on what some staff members believe is an effective programming strategy: prime-time talk of a liberal sort. A like-minded talk show will now follow “Countdown” at 9 p.m.: “The Rachel Maddow Show,” hosted by the liberal radio host, begins Monday.

Mr. Griffin, MSNBC’s president, denies that it has an ideology. “I think ideology means we think one way, and we don’t,” he said. Rather than label MSNBC’s prime time as left-leaning, he says it has passion and point of view.

But MSNBC is the cable arm of NBC News, the dispassionate news division of NBC Universal. MSNBC, “Today” and “NBC Nightly News” share some staff members, workspace and content. And some critics are claiming they also share a political affiliation.

The McCain campaign has filed letters of complaint to the news division about its coverage and openly tied MSNBC to it. Tension between the network and the campaign hit an apex the day Mr. McCain announced Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. MSNBC had reported Friday morning that Ms. Palin’s plane was enroute to the announcement and she was likely the pick. But McCain campaign officials warned the network off, with one official going so far as to say that all of the candidates on the short list were on their way — which MSNBC then reported.

“The fact that it was reported in real time was very embarrassing,” said a senior MSNBC official. “We were told, ‘No, it’s not Sarah Palin and you don’t know who it is.’ ”

Tom Brokaw and Brian Williams, the past and present anchors of “NBC Nightly News,” have told friends and colleagues that they are finding it tougher and tougher to defend the cable arm of the news division, even while they anchored daytime hours of convention coverage on MSNBC and contributed commentary each evening.

Mr. Williams did not respond to a request for comment and Mr. Brokaw declined to comment. At a panel discussion in Denver, Mr. Brokaw acknowledged that Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews had “gone too far” at times, but emphasized they were “not the only voices” on MSNBC, according to The Washington Post.

Al Hunt, the executive Washington bureau chief of Bloomberg News, said that the entire news division was being singled out by Republicans because of the work of partisans like Mr. Olbermann. “To go and tar the whole news network and Brokaw and Mitchell is grossly unfair,” he said, referring to the NBC correspondent Andrea Mitchell.

Some tensions have spilled out on-screen. On the first night in Denver, as the fellow MSNBC host Joe Scarborough talked about the resurgence of the McCain campaign, Mr. Olbermann dismissed it by saying: “Jesus, Joe, why don’t you get a shovel?”

The following night, Mr. Olbermann and his co-anchor for convention coverage, Mr. Matthews, had their own squabble after Mr. Olbermann observed that Mr. Matthews had talked too long.

Some staff members said the tension led to the network’s decision to keep Mr. Olbermann in New York for the Republican convention, after he ran the desk in Denver during the Democratic convention. MSNBC said that he stayed in New York to anchor coverage of Hurricane Gustav. But some workers say there were other reasons — namely, that Mr. Olbermann was concerned about his safety in St. Paul, given the loud crowds at MSNBC’s set in Denver.

NBC Universal executives are also known to be concerned about the perception that MSNBC’s partisan tilt in prime time is bleeding into the rest of the programming day. On a recent Friday afternoon, a graphic labeled “Breaking News” asked: “How many houses does Palin add to the Republican ticket?” Mr. Griffin called the graphic “an embarrassment.”

According to three staff members, Jeff Zucker, chief executive of NBC Universal, and Steve Capus, president of NBC News, considered flying to the Republican convention in Minnesota last week to address the lingering tensions.

Up to now, the company’s public support for MSNBC’s strategy has been enthusiastic. At an anniversary party for Mr. Olbermann in April, Mr. Zucker called “Countdown” “one of the signature brands of the entire company.”

Just last year, Mr. Olbermann signed a four-year, $4-million-a-year contract with MSNBC. NBC is close to supplementing that contract with Mr. Olbermann, extending his deal through 2013 — and ensuring that he will be on MSNBC through the next election.

Jim Rutenberg contributed reporting for this article.

Gayle in MD
09-08-2008, 09:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">MSNBC tried a bold experiment this year by putting two politically incendiary hosts, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, in the anchor chair to lead the cable news channel’s coverage of the election.

That experiment appears to be over.

After months of accusations of political bias and simmering animosity between MSNBC and its parent network NBC, the channel decided over the weekend that the NBC News correspondent and MSNBC host David Gregory would anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night. Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews will remain as analysts during the coverage.
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So they replaced two left leaning commentators, with a rightie. Gregory is a rightie, and is brokaw, Williams and Mitchell, are all righties. Greensapn, her husband, who looked the other way while many people wraned about this mortgage meltdown, also an admitted Republican.

Dan Rather, also gone. These multi billionaires who own the media, prefer the Republican trickle down theory, to the Democratic ideals of a strong middle class. They would obviously prefer a continuation of the growing Republican Oligarchy/fascist country to preserve their own memberships in it to that!

I guess this proves what I've been saying all along.

Deeman3
09-08-2008, 10:11 AM
I don't believe that most people would even remotely consider Gregory or Brokaw as right wing. Maybe in comparison to Karl Marx but not in the tradition of American journalists.

I also don't see them as replacing Obermann and Matthews, just keeping them in the political commentary box instead of legitimating thier views on a news program.

I think a lot of this is vantage point. If you look at the nearest Obama model, with the social programs and the anti-semetic policy, Russia is more a model than even Western Europe.

Again, if the Democrats did prefer a strong middle class, they would support this and differenciate between truely deserving working class families and drug addicted, baby making multi-generational live off the country folks. If un-insured children were separated from those who trade food stamps for beer and legitimatly disabled workers were not lumped in the deserving category with gang bangers, you would have your candidates easily elected, be able to adopt real reform legislation thatb would easily support the needs of the needy. Instead, you will continue to lump everyone into the "victim" category regard less of personal factors.

Then your legitimate cry for not doing coporate welfare would be heard and heeded. I'm still not sure how this will turn out but the Democrats are quickly blowing their chance by hugging the left too close. Now, Biden has to have Hillary step in and defend him from Palin! She was not near good enough to be VP but now they need her pit bull specs. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Gayle in MD
09-08-2008, 10:31 AM
Believe me, journalists and reporters know they are righties. Mitchell is a rightie, and Williams is a rightie.

Your comments about those who you consider as on the dole, often seem to have some underlying racial suggestions in them. Are you aware that the illegal alien population, which your former amnesty president, Ronald Reagan, had a huge impact on, is by far more reproductive, and also costing us a great deal more in terms of our health care, educational problems, crime, and a whole range of unaddressed forms of being on the dole, such as anchor babies, failing to pay income taxes, working under the table and sending all their money home, driving down wages often for those who are living in poverty because your friendly corporations prefer low wage illegals, to any other segment of our lower wage workers.

Every serious porblem we are facing is the result of Republican policies, from the Republican led Fed, (Greenspan) who failed to regulate the mortgage market, even when others were warning through their books, of what was surely coming, to the Enron thieves, to the debockle in Iraq, to the Oil fascist pigs, who used to keep 1 to 5% of their profits to put back into their corporations and pass on to their investors, and now keep 50%, at a time when they are recording record profits, AND getting subsidies AND tax cuts, BUT without building any new refineries to get oil to the public at a faster rate. Oh, we wouldn't want to do that, now would we.

Far better to scream for more leases in areas that won't affect their energy monopoly for another seven years to ten years, and won't reduce the price of oil, even then, while the North Pole had become an Island, and Kilimanjaro's iceless cap grows greener, Polar bears drown, the Honey bee vanashes, The japanese fish Tuna to extinction, and corporate interests kill of the lungs of the world, the rain forest.

Unfortunately, the Christian right subscribes to Drill baby Drill, ignoring everything Jesus said about caring for our planet.

Deeman3
09-08-2008, 10:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Believe me, journalists and reporters know they are righties. Mitchell is a rightie, and Williams is a rightie.

Your comments about those who you consider as on the dole, often seem to have some underlying racial suggestions in them. <span style="color: #FF0000"> Not at all. This is about a culture, not a race.</span> Are you aware that the illegal alien population, which your former amnesty president, Ronald Reagan, had a huge impact on, is by far more reproductive, and also costing us a great deal more in terms of our health care, educational problems, crime, and a whole range of unaddressed forms of being on the dole, such as anchor babies, failing to pay income taxes, working under the table and sending all their money home, driving down wages often for those who are living in poverty because your friendly corporations prefer low wage illegals, to any other segment of our lower wage workers.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> And so far, both candidates have not addressed this issue with enough candid conversation to say much will change. </span>

Every serious porblem we are facing is the result of Republican policies, from the Republican led Fed, (Greenspan) who failed to regulate the mortgage market, even when others were warning through their books, of what was surely coming, to the Enron thieves, to the debockle in Iraq, to the Oil fascist pigs, who used to keep 1 to 5% of their profits to put back into their corporations and pass on to their investors, and now keep 50%, at a time when they are recording record profits, AND getting subsidies AND tax cuts, BUT without building any new refineries to get oil to the public at a faster rate. Oh, we wouldn't want to do that, now would we.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> You know how difficult and why it is very difficult to build new refineries as well as reactors. </span>

Far better to scream for more leases in areas that won't affect their energy monopoly for another seven years to ten years, and won't reduce the price of oil, even then, while the North Pole had become an Island, and Kilimanjaro's iceless cap grows greener, Polar bears drown, the Honey bee vanashes, The japanese fish Tuna to extinction, and corporate interests kill of the lungs of the world, the rain forest.

<span style="color: #FF0000">I agree that, along with drilling, we need new technology in alternative forms of energy, not just scams like Ethenol. </span>

Unfortunately, the Christian right subscribes to Drill baby Drill, ignoring everything Jesus said about caring for our planet. <span style="color: #FF0000">

I was not aware Jesus had a policy on global warming. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I think, to a large extent, drill baby drill is a political stunt, one that may eb working. I do know both sides are living on political stunts right now. The Obama Messaih Complex, the Palin Women's Boost, McCain's Patriot Creds and what's his names working class roots. It's all a sham but it is more interesting than a month ago, you'll have to agree. I am really curioous is the dems will blow it once again? We shall see. I still think the Messiah is a favorite but it's getting close , don't you think?</span>



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Gayle in MD
09-08-2008, 11:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not at all. This is about a culture, not a race. </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066">it surely didn't sound that way after Katrina! </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And so far, both candidates have not addressed this issue with enough candid conversation to say much will change.
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<span style="color: #000066">No candidate in their right mind would get near it before an election, but we surely know that McInsane supported Reagans' amnesty policy, which greatly increased the numbers of illegals. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know how difficult and why it is very difficult to build new refineries as well as reactors.
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<span style="color: #000066">Shouldn't be that difficult with historic record profits, huge tax breaks, AND subsidies! </span>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree that, along with drilling, we need new technology in alternative forms of energy, not just scams like Ethenol.
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<span style="color: #000066">There are workable and appropriate applications for every alternative, however, we won't see any of them from McInsane, Bush's twin, who is in bed with big oil, and lobbyists for rogue nations. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think, to a large extent, drill baby drill is a political stunt, one that may eb working. I do know both sides are living on political stunts right now. The Obama Messaih Complex, the Palin Women's Boost, McCain's Patriot Creds and what's his names working class roots. It's all a sham but it is more interesting than a month ago, you'll have to agree. I am really curioous is the dems will blow it once again? We shall see. I still think the Messiah is a favorite but it's getting close , don't you think?

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<span style="color: #000066">I'm not so sure about that. Some polls are showing Obama still ahead. He's been ahead throughout. but I do know one thing, the Republicans have coppied every single position of Biden's and obama's and tried to make it their own, from change, to foreign policy, and the Bush administration is now doing what Obama had said all along about talking with our enemies, using more diplomacy, etc, after Bashing obama for the same statements. Now their even coming onto biden's and Obama's Iraq policies. Many of us have been paying more attention to this, than McInsanes rendition of "YOU OWE ME" and Sara's, "I'm experienced because my state is close to Russia."

McInsane has been wrong about Iraq, and stood by his original Iraq policy, refusing to admit that it was a mistake, eventhough both Republican and Democratic former foreign policy experts have all come out to say that it was bad policy, disasterous policy, and that Bush is the worst ever. McInsane voted with Bush 95%! Now he wan'ts us to believe there is a difference. He's a changed man! LMAO!

Pahleeeze! Only the Republican base is dumb enough to fall for this kind of bait and switch AGAIN! </span>

sack316
09-08-2008, 12:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> So they replaced two left leaning commentators, with a rightie
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Wait, but I thought they didn't lean at all when we've discussed this before? Now it's a right minded media conspiracy to toss out two lefties? ehhh... so confusing!

Good call by MSNBC in icing this little experiment. Let newscasters do the news part, let the pundits do the soapbox commentary. It's not as if they are silencing Olbermann, they are just keeping his commentary in the appropriate place.

I'll be really glad were he do just do sports exclusively again. At least I don't know who he's rooting for and against on the fields and courts. Well, I guess he can keep countdown too... because as you say re Palin, it only excites the base anyway.

Sack

Gayle in MD
09-08-2008, 12:41 PM
I've always said the Oberman and Mathews were lefties, but there have been times when it's hard to tell with Mathews, like when he goes after the Clitnons, and defends some from the right.

However, we surely don't have any shortage of Pundits representing the right!

sack316
09-08-2008, 12:42 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A like-minded talk show will now follow “Countdown” at 9 p.m.: “The Rachel Maddow Show,” hosted by the liberal radio host, begins Monday.

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I was gonna post something about this. She usually fills in on Countdown when Olbermann is not around. Should be interesting. She comes off more manly than Olbermann does, though. Oh, and I don't think he comes off un-manly, if you know what I mean.

I can picture her mad lib now. "Maddow: Bull-_______(noun)"

have fun kiddos

Sack

sack316
09-08-2008, 12:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've always said the Oberman and Mathews were lefties, but there have been times when it's hard to tell with Mathews, like when he goes after the Clitnons, and defends some from the right.

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really? cuz I coulda swore otherwise... or at the very least stating something along the lines about how there is "NO" left representation in the media. But I have a paper due in a few hours, so I don't have time to go looking back now... so I'll grant you this for the time being.

Oh, and FWIW I don't think Matthews did a bad job either. I think Olbermann deserves the criticism he's getting on this right now. But Matthews didn't let his views spill over all that much I didn't think. But then again he was doing all his stuff at the same time as Olbermann, so it may be a case of how your average NBA player doesn't look so tall standing next to Yao Ming /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Sack

Gayle in MD
09-08-2008, 12:51 PM
No left reporters on the White House Press Corps. Very few in the media. Hardly any in Washington D.C, or on network and cable news.

Deeman3
09-08-2008, 12:56 PM
[quote=Gayle in MD] <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not at all. This is about a culture, not a race. </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066">it surely didn't sound that way after Katrina! </span>

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Did not sound like what after Katrina? I never caved in on the Katrina event. The "Victims" of Katrina were not just African American, they were white, Asian and Cajun among others. What many of them were was professional victims. This was not the 5,000 or so that really needed help to evacuate the area, it was severla hundred thousand who first refused to leave. A very small percentage could not do so.

This time, the local government provided busses and drivers and they still could only get about 20% to even sign up for the evacuation. This is born from the dangerous expectation that the governement will protect all the citizens from natural disasters, as well as their own foolishness, go pick them up, care for their every need and drop them back off each time the weather threatens. Now we have further conditioned them to "need" the state and federal government threatens. How many times will this be repeated each year to satisfy everyone that we, not they, are completely responsible for their wellbeing?

We continue to breed a segment of society to need the governement for every single thing they have, accomplich and survive.

It may be PC now but it will soon backfire as these helpless people, of many colors, continue to seek more and more "help" to survive and function. </span>

Gayle in MD
09-08-2008, 01:11 PM
You can thank Reonald Reagan for that. He surely provided us with plenty of illegal aliens, who call themselves immigrants.

We all know that you righties are far more in favor of redistributing the wealth in this country upwards to the rich. Corporate welfare for the billionaire oil industry, for example, and privatization of the military and government is eating this country alive.

All of this was neocon philosophy, that began with Reagan. The very kind of deregulation that he was such a great porponent of, led to this mortgage crises going unchecked to disasterous results, which, a Republican Fed totally ignored.

Gayle in Md.

people often wait to see how bad a hurricane is going to be, but none of it matters much when the bus drivers don't show up, and the buses are parked in a flood zone.

Deeman3
09-08-2008, 01:28 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
people often wait to see how bad a hurricane is going to be, but none of it matters much when the bus drivers don't show up, and the buses are parked in a flood zone. </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Parked there on the authority of the Democratic mayor who, along with the Democratis Governoress, refused the federal governments offer to help, until, of course it was too late and photo ops abounded. I have credited Ray Nagin as doing much better this time and they have a real Governor now. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</span>

sack316
09-08-2008, 01:40 PM
Reading this last little bit, I had forgotten that the damage of Katrina was limited to only New Orleans, and nowhere else. Silly me.

Sack--- sees the theory of survival of the fittest in practice