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Gayle in MD
09-10-2008, 02:44 PM
http://www.michiganmessenger.com/4076/lose-your-house-lose-your-vote

Lose your house, lose your vote
By Eartha Jane Melzer 9/10/08 6:42 AM
Michigan Republicans plan to foreclose African American voters


The chairman of the Republican Party in Macomb County Michigan, a key swing county in a key swing state, is planning to use a list of foreclosed homes to block people from voting in the upcoming election as part of the state GOP’s effort to challenge some voters on Election Day.

“We will have a list of foreclosed homes and will make sure people aren’t voting from those addresses,” party chairman James Carabelli told Michigan Messenger in a telephone interview earlier this week. He said the local party wanted to make sure that proper electoral procedures were followed.

State election rules allow parties to assign “election challengers” to polls to monitor the election. In addition to observing the poll workers, these volunteers can challenge the eligibility of any voter provided they “have a good reason to believe” that the person is not eligible to vote. One allowable reason is that the person is not a “true resident of the city or township.”

The Michigan Republicans’ planned use of foreclosure lists is apparently an attempt to challenge ineligible voters as not being “true residents.”

One expert questioned the legality of the tactic.

“You can’t challenge people without a factual basis for doing so,” said J. Gerald Hebert, a former voting rights litigator for the U.S. Justice Department who now runs the Campaign Legal Center, a Washington D.C.-based public-interest law firm. “I don’t think a foreclosure notice is sufficient basis for a challenge, because people often remain in their homes after foreclosure begins and sometimes are able to negotiate and refinance.”

As for the practice of challenging the right to vote of foreclosed property owners, Hebert called it, “mean-spirited.”

GOP ties to state’s largest foreclosure law firm

The Macomb GOP’s plans are another indication of how John McCain’s campaign stands to benefit from the burgeoning number of foreclosures in the state. McCain’s regional headquarters are housed in the office building of foreclosure specialists Trott & Trott. The firm’s founder, David A. Trott, has raised between $100,000 and $250,000 for the Republican nominee.

The Macomb County party’s plans to challenge voters who have defaulted on their house payments is likely to disproportionately affect African-Americans who are overwhelmingly Democratic voters. More than 60 percent of all sub-prime loans — the most likely kind of loan to go into default — were made to African-Americans in Michigan, according to a report issued last year by the state’s Department of Labor and Economic Growth.

Challenges to would-be voters

Statewide, the Republican Party is gearing up for a comprehensive voter challenge campaign, according to Denise Graves, party chair for Republicans in Genessee County, which encompasses Flint. The party is creating a spreadsheet of election challenger volunteers and expects to coordinate a training with the regional McCain campaign, Graves said in an interview with Michigan Messenger.

Whether the Republicans will challenge voters with foreclosed homes elsewhere in the state is not known.

Kelly Harrigan, deputy director of the GOP’s voter programs, confirmed that she is coordinating the group’s “election integrity” program. Harrigan said the effort includes putting in place a legal team, as well as training election challengers. She said the challenges to voters were procedural rather than personal. She referred inquiries about the vote challenge program to communications director Bill Knowles who promised information but did not return calls.

Party chairman Carabelli said that the Republican Party is training election challengers to “make sure that [voters] are who they say who they are.”

When asked for further details on how Republicans are compiling challenge lists, he said, “I would rather not tell you all the things we are doing.”

Vote suppression: Not an isolated effort

Carabelli is not the only Republican Party official to suggest the targeting of foreclosed voters. In Ohio, Doug Preisse, director of elections in Franklin County (around the city of Columbus) and the chair of the local GOP, told The Columbus Dispatch that he has not ruled out challenging voters before the election due to foreclosure-related address issues.

Hebert, the voting-rights lawyer, sees a connection between Priesse’s remarks and Carabelli’s plans.

“At a minimum what you are seeing is a fairly comprehensive effort by the Republican Party, a systematic broad-based effort to put up obstacles for people to vote,” he said. “Nobody is contending that these people are not legally registered to vote.

“When you are comprehensively challenging people to vote,” Hebert went on, “your goals are two-fold: One is you are trying to knock people out from casting ballots; the other is to create a slowdown that will discourage others,” who see a long line and realize they can’t afford to stay and wait.

Challenging all voters registered to foreclosed homes could disrupt some polling places, especially in the Detroit metropolitan area. According to the real estate Web site RealtyTrac, one in every 176 households in Wayne County, metropolitan Detroit, received a foreclosure filing during the month of July. In Macomb County, the figure was one household in every 285, meaning that 1,834 homeowners received the bad news in just one month. The Macomb County foreclosure rate puts it in the top three percent of all U.S. counties in the number of distressed homeowners.

Wayne, Oakland, Macomb, Kent and Genessee counties were — in that order — the counties with the most homeowners facing foreclosure, according to RealtyTrac. As of July, there were more than 62,000 foreclosure filings in the entire state.

Joe Rozell, director of elections for Oakland County in suburban Detroit, acknowledged that challenges such as those described by Carabelli are allowed by law but said they have the potential to create long lines and disrupt the voting process. With 890,000 potential voters closely divided between Democratic and Republican, Oakland County is a key swing county of this swing state.

According to voter challenge directives handed down by Republican Secretary of State Terri Lynn Land, voter challenges need only be “based on information obtained through a reliable source or means.”

“But poll workers are not allowed to ask the reason” for the challenges, Rozell said. In other words, Republican vote challengers are free to use foreclosure lists as a basis for disqualifying otherwise eligible voters.

David Lagstein, head organizer with the Michigan Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), described the plans of the Macomb GOP as “crazy.”

“You would think they would think, ‘This is going to look too heartless,’” said Lagstein, whose group has registered 200,000 new voters statewide this year and also runs a foreclosure avoidance program. “The Republican-led state Senate has not moved on the anti-predatory lending bill for over a year and yet [Republicans] have time to prey on those who have fallen victim to foreclosure to suppress the

Deeman3
09-10-2008, 02:57 PM
I would certainly think both partys would only want legitimate voters to vote. Is there a reason to not want to enforce the voting laws and requirements of a state or the federal government? After all the whole country is not Chicago and "vote early, vote often" is not really fair to anyone.

Gayle in MD
09-10-2008, 03:06 PM
You certainly seemed hooked on Chacago lately Deeman. After all that flack at me for a few jokes about the flyover states? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif ;)JK

Deeman3
09-10-2008, 03:44 PM
Gayle,

The only memories of Chicago I maintain is of losing money there. That and having my butt kicked all the way home from the U.S Open in 1969. I even went bust on the Southside and they had to give me a 20 dollar walking stick saying, "Kid, bring more money next time!" I did and still had to get gas money home!

I told Dick that the only thing that saved me from coming on to NY and having him bust me was always putting Chicago on the trip before NYC each time. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Funny that a sawbuck would get me back to Memphis back then. When I'd get home, Highpockets and James Strickland would say, "we coulda saved you a few grand by telling you to stay home." At 18 or so, you don't listen to anyone. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

Unlike others, I never left a stick or car in Chicago. It may be a poor measure of success but it all I had back then. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Thank God for NCAA Division 1 football scholarships. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif My parents had disowned me, temporarly, back then. I can't figure out why. They just roll their eyes to this day when I bring it up. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Gayle in MD
09-10-2008, 03:53 PM
I view having once been temporarily disowned by ones parents as a necessary preventive measure for avoiding mental stagnation, and failing to advance civilization. The suspension of critical thinking skills often befalls those those who miss it.

You can't scare me off with a story like that one. I still want you to bring your wallet if you come to shoot pool with me in Maryland. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

JK

Deeman3
09-11-2008, 07:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I view having once been temporarily disowned by ones parents as a necessary preventive measure for avoiding mental stagnation, and failing to advance civilization. The suspension of critical thinking skills often befalls those those who miss it.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Necessary, I agree, but usually stupid in nature. My youngest daughter went through this with much more rational reasons than I ever had but it teaches some independence you can't get at home. Mom's seem to understand this while fathers just play dumb. Maybe we are! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</span>

You can't scare me off with a story like that one. I still want you to bring your wallet if you come to shoot pool with me in Maryland. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

JK </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">I know when I'm being set up and hustled! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span>

eg8r
09-11-2008, 11:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The chairman of the Republican Party in Macomb County Michigan, a key swing county in a key swing state, is planning to use a list of foreclosed homes to block people from voting in the upcoming election as part of the state GOP’s effort to challenge some voters on Election Day.
</div></div>On the surface this sounds like a smart move. If these fools cannot read a contract and make a good decision for their future, why on earth do you think they will be able to turn all that bad luck (bad decisions) around in time for the Presidential election?

I am surprised that this could ever become reality though.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
09-11-2008, 01:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> On the surface this sounds like a smart move. If these fools cannot read a contract and make a good decision for their future, why on earth do you think they will be able to turn all that bad luck (bad decisions) around in time for the Presidential election?

<span style="color: #000066">Now that may well be the most unpatriotic, racist sentence ever written on the forum. </span>

I am surprised that this could ever become reality though.

<span style="color: #000066">Really. Fogotten Florida and then Ohio, already? </span>


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eg8r
09-11-2008, 01:28 PM
Gayle with all your posts, I don't think you even know what it means to be patriotic. As far as it being racist, you are out of your mind. Nothing in the wording of my post has anything to do with race.

As far as Ohio and Florida you live in a fantasy land.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
09-11-2008, 01:57 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More than 60 percent of all sub-prime loans — the most likely kind of loan to go into default — were made to African-Americans in Michigan, according to a report issued last year by the state’s Department of Labor and Economic Growth.
</div></div>

Maybe you should start reading posts, before you start commenting on them for a change.

If you don't think this is just another Republican effort to keep African Americans away from the voting booth, You are the one continuing to live in a fantasy.

it must be just wonderful to go through you life believe as you wish, no concern for facts, and no accountability for you vote.

You guys on here were bashing me long ago when I said that Bush would be the worst President in history.

In spite of your foolish votes in 2000 and 2004, you have no humility. That's about the same M.O. of John McCain.

Reminds me of an old song, "I shot the sherrif, but I didn't shoot the deputy."

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
09-11-2008, 02:10 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe you should start reading posts, before you start commenting on them for a change.</div></div>Yes, please read mine again. There is nothing in my post that is racist.

My response is in general and overall a good idea. If people enter into bad contracts and lose their homes, there is a good chance their are making other bad decisions.

eg8r

Deeman3
09-11-2008, 02:26 PM
It will finally nice to not have to worry about reading the fine print, taking personal responsibility for investment decisions and having a safety net for all of life's financial decisions.

Many of us, laboring uder the illusion that we were responsible for those decisions as well as personal choices are just not adjusted to the new world. We, perhaps falsely, believed that the mass redistribution of wealth killed competition in countries like Russia and Cuba. Until, for instance, Michael Moore pointed out to us the very high standard of health care the Cuban government provides its lucky citizens, we all labored under the suspicion, blurred by boatloads of them dying to reach our shores, that we were the model for world health care. Until, Jimmy Carter showed us a failing model of democracy next to his example, Liberia, we had thought we were teh shining beacon to the world.

It was not until Rev. Wright told us that 9/11 was our fault, that the chickens had come home to roost, that we believed in this country.

Now that we might hold voters to account in identifying themselves as living citizens of the U.S. before allowing them to vote, it might take us a bit longer to support a group who is basically saying, if they show up we must assume they are allowed to vote. If that is the level of security they intend to apply to the rest of our policy, then maybe there is some reaosn that 9/11 has not happened again on our soil in seven years.

When Obama sits down with Osama, I hope he makes him show an I.D. before the negoiations. I'd hate to see him wasting his time with a cab driver. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

wolfdancer
09-12-2008, 02:45 AM
Well, I have to side with the GOP on this one as I've always felt that only the landed gentry should be able to vote...and I'm also going to vote McCain/Palin.
We only had Bush's word in the past that he was following the Lord's directives; but now that Sarah has said that our soldiers, under the command of their leaders, are doing God's work....I could lose my soul by voting for Obama. And since Sarah has traced these words back to Lincoln, the last Republican that I admired..that sealed it for me. Now if only She could throw in a quote from Dr. King...we could update the song "Abraham, Martin, and John"....it'd be downright unAmerican not to "fall into the GOP"
So it comes down to vote McCain.... save your soul, lose your ass

pooltchr
09-12-2008, 04:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So it comes down to vote McCain.... save your soul, lose your ass </div></div>

So I guess the only other option would be
vote for Obama...lose your wallet...lose your country.

Is this bunch (both sides) really the best we could come up with?

Steve

Deeman3
09-12-2008, 07:14 AM
I am looking back with fondness to JFK who, by modern comparisons, was a raving hawk. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

DickLeonard
09-12-2008, 07:39 AM
Pooltchr I think we have lost our wallet and The Fall of the Fourth Reich is not far behind.

Until we start Paying Fifty Million a year for the President we we always be left with Losers.####

pooltchr
09-12-2008, 08:11 AM
Dee,
I agree that JFK set the bar pretty high. Since then, we seem to be settling for less and less from our leadership.

That isn't the fault of the pols...it's the fault of the voters who continue to vote based on who promises to give them the most. JFK had it right...Ask not what your country can do for you!!!!

Steve

Wally_in_Cincy
09-12-2008, 09:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Michael Moore pointed out to us the very high standard of health care the Cuban government provides its lucky citizens, we all labored under the suspicion, blurred by boatloads of them dying to reach our shores, </div></div>

still my favorite:

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050222/050322_cubans_truck_hmed12p.hmedium.jpg

Deeman3
09-12-2008, 10:22 AM
Walley, I just wonder which way that boat is headed. Ya think they may be Moore's folks heading to Cuba? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

wolfdancer
09-12-2008, 10:58 AM
Wally, this photo was published in the "Plain Dealer"
These are Democrats fleeing to Canada across Lake Erie; trying to get away from the despotic, tyrannical, Republican controlled state of Ohio.
They hope to Become Canadian citizens, and for the first time in many years, have their vote actually count(ed)

wolfdancer
09-12-2008, 11:53 AM
Dee, I think of the mortgage debacle for what it was....sort of a giant pyramid scheme. While it's the great American dream to own ones home, this time, as the housing boom continued to grow, it brought with it the promise of untold profits on the purchase. Why worry about adjustable rates, or a huge balloon payment down the road, by that time the $100k home will be worth half a mil.
But then something happened...jobs began to be lost.
And both fuel and food costs began to climb.... OPEC raised the price of oil to over $100 a barrel, TPEC set the price of tomatoes at over $800 a barrel.
AND since few could afford medial ins.....
And then the mathematically challenged found that that 1% increase in their adjustable loan interest rate translated into hundreds more on their mortgage payment.
I even got sucked into this greater fool scheme. If home prices keep falling....this place will be worth less then the cost of the lumber and copper pipes and electrical wires. I'll have to do what my neighbor did...rent it out. Seems folks don't mind paying more for rent, then they would for a mortgage .....

Deeman3
09-12-2008, 12:26 PM
I was just reading about the mortgage bailout and thinking, "well, if I made a bad investment in real estate, I (along with the mortgage specualtors, lenders, etc.) were just told, "Don't worry, bad investments and decisions are not your fault and we will make it right."

As I have said, I am as sick of the bailouts of the companies as I am of the homeowner, probably more. With this and the apparent future bailout of the not so Big Three, who will ever have to exercise sound judgement in the future? Can I go back and get renumerated for all that lost money in the tech meltdown? If the stock market is the only assumed financial risk we will now have, who will invest there? Once capital gains is dead, who will invest in industry anymore (new jobs).

Adding 5 million government green jobs will be a slightly higher tech bunch of new guys to lean on shovels and drive those empty welfare buses around. If 80% of all new job growth under Obama will be government jobs, where will the money come from to drive the economy? I know, China. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

If you and I buy more Wa Mu today, at least we know we won't lose much. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I see you can still buy a new caddy for $199 a month. How small does the print have to get before someone should figure out if they can't afford a used VW, a new caddy is probably gonna be out of reach. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

pooltchr
09-12-2008, 02:31 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wally, this photo was published in the "Plain Dealer"
These are Democrats fleeing to Canada across Lake Erie; trying to get away from the despotic, tyrannical, Republican controlled state of Ohio.
They hope to Become Canadian citizens, and for the first time in many years, have there vote actually count(ed) </div></div>

And as an added benefit, they will be able to take part in the Canadian socialized health care up there! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif
Steve

Deeman3
09-12-2008, 03:21 PM
Hey guys! If I get 15 more posts, will I have to disconnect and become DeeMan4? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Chopstick
09-12-2008, 03:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys! If I get 15 more posts, will I have to disconnect and become DeeMan4? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

LOL Like Dr. Who. He never dies, he just regenerates. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Love that show. Been watching it for 30 years.

Deeman3
09-12-2008, 03:42 PM
I love Dr. Who as well. Great minds are tormented in the same ways. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

wolfdancer
09-12-2008, 04:00 PM
Oh, no!!!...we were just getting used to service pack 3....
Well, hopefully the new and improved update will include a spellcheck /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

LWW
09-12-2008, 06:47 PM
How are blacks being blocked?

Does not the law require you to reregister when you move?

Are blacks not allowed to reregister?

Are whites somehow allowed to vote from a bad address when blacks aren't?

How could the state even KNOW whether the home had belonged to a black or white?

Having watched this enough, I'd bet the play is that ACORN or another D front group is registering dummy voters and/or having absentee ballots sent to repossessed homes.

Tell the truth Gayle ... the D's don't want EVERY vote to count. They want EXTRA votes to count.

The fix was in during 2000 and it almost worked. The treachery of registering illegals by the thousands, buying homeless votes with cigs, registering felons, attempting to get our soldiers and sailors votes dismissed ... shameful.

The frustration with the DNC is that they only missed by less than 1,000 votes pulling it off.

They are back with a vengeance in 2008 and the ongoing Acorn and Muslin Brotherhood and Palestinian illegal donations and Chinese illegal donations bear witness to is.

Where is your outrage Gayle?

Where is your indignance?

Doesn't it bother you that you work so hard for these people and they lie to you and use you while believing you lack the intellect to ever figure it out?

The Gayleboating continues.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/lww/ONLINE%20ARGUMENTS/Gayleboat001.jpg

LWW

jayalley
09-12-2008, 07:58 PM
You've got that right, LWW.

Can Wolfdancer spell G-A-Y-L-E-S little L-A-P-D-O-G ?????

Qtec
09-13-2008, 11:01 AM
The GOP, the party that wants to promote democracy abroad uses ANY means to stop Americans, poor Americans from voting at home.!?

Q

LWW
09-13-2008, 12:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The GOP, the party that wants to promote democracy abroad uses ANY means to stop Americans, poor Americans from voting at home.!?

Q </div></div>
Want to cite those methods?

LWW

pooltchr
09-13-2008, 02:00 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The GOP, the party that wants to promote democracy abroad uses ANY means to stop Americans, poor Americans from voting at home.!?

Q </div></div>

And the Dem's have a history of stuffing the ballot box with voters who are dead, or non-existant. Their play-book developed the concept of "vote early and often". I don't hear you knocking them.

Steve

wolfdancer
09-13-2008, 02:29 PM
Say, you could make my day if you would add in yourself in a rowboat, just ahead of my boat...and also point out that's me pointing the gun at your dumb ass.
By the way,your post is in reply to me, but directed to Gayle. While I'd like to protect you from her razor sharp rebuttals to your insipid posts, you might be better served by asking Wally or Steve to be your go-between.
In regards to why Gayle isn't outraged over your election fraud charges...it's probably because this is the first time she has heer'd of them...and that's only if she bothers reading your fantasy.
But if our "Vote early and vote often" strategy can overcome the rigged Diebold machines and recapture the WH which has held America hostage for these past 7 years...I'll spend the day voting, for "Mom, apple pie, and baseball"

LWW
09-13-2008, 03:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In regards to why Gayle isn't outraged over your election fraud charges...it's probably because this is the first time she has heer'd of them...</div></div>
That's because the 2 of you have your heads so far down the MOVEON rathole that you can't get air.

These scandals have been posted and well known and documented and people are doing time in jail as we speak over it.

Because you choose to be blissfully ignorant is not the fault of those of us who both have and use brains.

LWW

wolfdancer
09-13-2008, 03:56 PM
I've never been to the moveon site, dickhead; and I'm not interested in going there.
But maybe you could provide some links, as I've never even heard O'Really make those charges.....
No, don't provide the links....any discussion with you is a f**king waste of my time, as you have your head up your own a** so far, we can't ell if that was a burp or....

jayalley
09-13-2008, 07:06 PM
So, if Wolfdancer is Gayle's Lapdog.......
Doesn't that make him a Lapdancer ???

That's your new name.....Lapdancer.

wolfdancer
09-13-2008, 07:45 PM
you are cracking me up with your repartee. I wish I had more time to spend reading your posts.....but my time is limited and I prefer to read what the intelligent, adult posters write , instead.
I'm sure you'll go over big though on the teen, or pre-teen section of Myspace.
Course if you ever come up with something intelligent to say, on your own; without your master's (lww) help ...pm me
Good bye, Mr. Jay...

wolfdancer
09-13-2008, 07:49 PM
can you spell a's's'h'o'l'e ?
you're kind of a taunting little twit aren't you?. Nothing intelligent to say, but really think you are being clever.
Anyway...have fun now, because eventually you'll have to grow up, or maybe not?????

LWW
09-14-2008, 04:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never been to the moveon site, dickhead; and I'm not interested in going there.
But maybe you could provide some links, as I've never even heard O'Really make those charges.....
No, don't provide the links....any discussion with you is a f**king waste of my time, as you have your head up your own a** so far, we can't ell if that was a burp or....
</div></div>
See fascist bot, you have no desire to learn.

You love life as a tool.

I pity you.

LWW

LWW
09-14-2008, 04:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you are cracking me up with your repartee. I wish I had more time to spend reading your posts.....but my time is limited and I prefer to read what the intelligent, adult posters write , instead.
I'm sure you'll go over big though on the teen, or pre-teen section of Myspace.
Course if you ever come up with something intelligent to say, on your own; without your master's (lww) help ...pm me
Good bye, Mr. Jay... </div></div>
That's rich.

You don't have the IQ of a pimple on a gnat's ass and pontificate.

You are a mindless bot wolfie.

Deal with it.

LWW

LWW
09-14-2008, 04:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The GOP, the party that wants to promote democracy abroad uses ANY means to stop Americans, poor Americans from voting at home.!?

Q </div></div>
Want to cite those methods?

LWW </div></div>
Waiting for you to cite the methods?

LWW

LWW
09-14-2008, 04:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How are blacks being blocked?

LWW </div></div>
Can a single one of the dembots muster enough intelligence to answer their own accusation?

LWW

Gayle in MD
09-15-2008, 07:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It will finally nice to not have to worry about reading the fine print, taking personal responsibility for investment decisions and having a safety net for all of life's financial decisions.

Many of us, laboring uder the illusion that we were responsible for those decisions as well as personal choices are just not adjusted to the new world. <span style="color: #000066">You're obviously not pseaking of the Enron Republican friends, or the CEO's of the financial institutions which are up the road with their money while a milliong and a half Americans are in foreclosure, or Lehman. Goldman, Fannie and Freddie, and the hedge funders who made billions off this mortgage mess. And Certainly not of your Republican Federal reserve chariman, who could have prevented it, when he saw it coing. Or of the Standard Republican philosophy of market only economics with no regulations. </span> We, perhaps falsely, believed that the mass redistribution of wealth killed competition <span style="color: #000066"> </span> in countries like Russia and Cuba. <span style="color: #000066">Yeah, it has killed it here also, Voodood economics, the mass redistribution upwards, with a dying Middle Class. </span> Until, for instance, Michael Moore pointed out to us the very high standard of health care the Cuban government provides its lucky citizens, we all labored under the suspicion, blurred by boatloads of them dying to reach our shores, that we were the model for world health care. Until, Jimmy Carter showed us a failing model of democracy next to his example, Liberia, we had thought we were teh shining beacon to the world. <span style="color: #000066">Jimmy Carter told you the truth ab out where this country waqs going to end up if we didn't get off oil as our major energy supply. Reagan then came in and said, everything is great. Take the solar panels off the White House. Remove tax breaks for those who conserve energy.

Jimmy Carter is the ONLY president who warned us of this very result of Middle east threats, financed by our oil addiction. </span>

It was not until Rev. Wright told us that 9/11 was our fault, that the chickens had come home to roost, that we believed in this country. <span style="color: #000066">Uh, that was Jerry Falwell, and Dobson, the right wing religious nuts from the so called Christian Coalition, whose aim is criminalize all those who have a different point of view, or want to have control over their own bodies. </span>

Now that we might hold voters to account in identifying themselves as living citizens of the U.S. before allowing them to vote, it might take us a bit longer to support a group who is basically saying, if they show up we must assume they are allowed to vote. <span style="color: #000066">Ha ha ha, nice spine, but most people remember Katherine Harris's "Purge" which is exactly what this is. </span> If that is the level of security they intend to apply to the rest of our policy, then maybe there is some reaosn that 9/11 has not happened again on our soil in seven years. <span style="color: #000066">We have upgraded our security, somewhat, but fighting a war in Iraq, has had absolutely nothing to do with our security here, and in fact, it has increased our risks, according to our own NIE. But, bin Laden is still plotting and planning, with far greater numbers of soldiers for his cause, and far more sophisticated weaponry, thanks to George Bush and his pre-emptive war against a country that was no threat. </span>

When Obama sits down with Osama, I hope he makes him show an I.D. before the negoiations. I'd hate to see him wasting his time with a cab driver.
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<span style="color: #000066">Bush is the one with all the connections to the bin Laden family, not Obama. </span>

DickLeonard
09-15-2008, 08:13 AM
Gayle all I know is all of the bin Ladens were all out of the Country on 9/12/01.####

Gayle in MD
09-15-2008, 08:22 AM
Dick,
The Saudi's were Bush's financiers in his failed oil wells. His father has had ties with them for decades. Reagan sold weapons to Iran. Saudi's are financing terrorists. Most of the 9/11 hi-jackers, were from Saudi Arabia, including bin Laden. Bush's grand father was in business with Hitler.

Take ony one of these points and imagine if it were obama, or Gore, or Kerry!

A commentary on the stupidity of right wing voters.

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sack316
09-15-2008, 09:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Take ony one of these points and imagine if it were obama, or Gore, or Kerry!


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OK, just imagined it. In my little vision of that scenario I imagined you would call it "an honorable attempt at diplomacy and forgeign relations" were it Obama, Gore, or Kerry. *note: that's not what it is, just how I figured you'd see it in the scenario you mentioned /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Sack

Gayle in MD
09-15-2008, 10:14 AM
Then you figured it totally wrong. I would never be for pre-emptive war where the intelligence had been cherry picked by two liars. I would never be fore a president who sent the same young people back, voer and over, because he didn't want the couuntry widely affected and against his war policies. I would never support a president who borrowed fro China to pay for tax cuts for the rich, and corporations which gouged the public, and no bid contractors who were incompetent, and torture, and cowboy diplomacy.

No Democratic President has ever made the kind of mess we're in right now. This is surely no time for defending Republican policies. You can scratch around in the past all you want, but overall, Republican policies have hurt this country beyond measure. You just don't want to admit it. Nothing new with that.

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Gayle in MD
09-15-2008, 10:15 AM
And that tells the story, Dick, and also tells the story of why bin Laden is still alive, and why we haven't yet gotten more of his wrath.

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sack316
09-15-2008, 10:50 AM
We need to really put a stop to dictators who have weapons of mass destruction and threaten to use them against their people," the secretary of state warned.

"There's an old expression that 'you can pay me now, or pay me later,' " added the secretary of defense. "With respect to Saddam Hussein, we can deal with him now, or our children and grandchildren will have to deal with the spread of chemical and biological weapons later. I think now is the time that we deal with it, and not later."

Gold star to whoever can tell me where this came from...

Sack

Gayle in MD
09-15-2008, 10:55 AM
Who cares. If it wasn't said after September 11, 2001, it isn't even relevant. Remember, The whole world changed after 9/11. Knowing your own partisan leanings, it was probably Madeline Albright. Keep on cherry picking, Sack, it won't change anything. Bush has been running things for almost eight years. Bush made the mistake, under the conditions prevailing at the time he went into Iraq. Bush was the decider.

End of Story!

sack316
09-15-2008, 11:18 AM
gold star for Gayle! It was Albright and Cohen circa Feb. 1998!

Indeed, the whole world did change after 9-11-01. Hence wouldn't such a discussion be EVEN MORE pre-emptive?

Or is it that perhaps you can't stand that the democratic and republican party philosophies aren't so absolutely different afterall?

You keep on posting as if I don't think Bush screwed anything up. As if I defend the man, and republican policy in general absolutely. News flash, I don't. Just because I see that BOTH parties screw up, doesn't mean I defend republicans screw ups either. The difference is that I don't choose to completely ignore certain things that I don't like. I'll take my lumps AND give 'em.

Sack

Gayle in MD
09-15-2008, 11:37 AM
BULLS**T!

You're doing exactly what Ed and some of your cohearts do, you're taking things out of context. It was during the Clinton administration that Clinton launched the Desert Fox innitiative, and bombed the hell out of Saddams WMD and biological war facilities.

I've already posted documentation about this, including quotations from all the Republicans during that time, who came out against Clinton for what he was doing, calling it wagging the dog. The post is entitled, The Other Foot. Look it up for yourself.

If one of us is partisan, dear, it's you!

sack316
09-15-2008, 11:54 AM
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Sorry, that's all I can do, just smile

Sack