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Gayle in MD
10-06-2009, 03:25 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bachmann dodges question about murdered Census worker.
Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) was in St. Louis, MO today for the right-wing How to Take Back America Conference, which features panels such as “How to stop feminist and gay attacks on the military” and “How to recognize living under Nazis & Communists.” The Washington Independent’s Dave Weigel attended the conference and attempted to catch up with Bachmann to ask her about the murdered Census worker in Kentucky, but she evaded his question:

After the speech, Bachmann had only a few minutes to sign autographs and collect a stack of CDs and books from fans who’d followed her into the lobby. I caught up to her as she headed outside and asked if she had any response to the murder of a Kentucky census worker, having noticed that the Census, a constant target for Bachmann, did not figure into her speech. Bachmann recoiled a little at the question and turned to enter her limo.

“Thank you so much!” she said.

Over the summer, Bachmann waged a high-profile, wildly-dishonest campaign against the Census, going so far as to claim that the data collected had been used to round up and intern Japanese-Americans in the 1940s.
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wolfdancer
10-06-2009, 06:58 PM
How did I not get an invite to that conference?
She sounds nuttier then Ann, Rush, Bill, Glenn, Sean....
Maybe that was her job interview tape for Fox???
If she had any brains (but then she wouldn't be a republican...lol)
She could at least have made some sympathetic comments...."that was a tragedy"
"How to take back America"....what a **** joke. We won't lose to an enemy outside the country....it'll be the enemy within....
I've said it before and will restate it now.....that kind of rhetoric, trying to blame one group for the countries ailments....was used before 1930's Germany.
She should be impeached, or at least strung up by the balls...wait, they ain't got any balls on that side of the aisle???....

LWW
10-07-2009, 06:42 AM
What are either of you claiming that this article demonstrates ... other than your appetite for the raw meat of hatred was sated?

LWW

llotter
10-07-2009, 07:50 AM
It is a tactic of anyone that is attempting to deceive...divert attention with some distraction while they are proceed to work their evil deeds. In this case, Gayle and her lapdog sycophants scream as loud a possible at anything that moves while they and their cohorts destroy the country. It is very entertaining even while the consequences are so dire.

LWW
10-07-2009, 08:50 AM
Very astute ... but my take is that they are merely regurgitating what their masters load onto their lips.

Neither of them has demonstrated the mental ability needed to actually plot anything so devious ... however both have shown an astounding level of unquestioned devotion to the party and to the state, and most of all to their messiah.

LWW

Gayle in MD
10-07-2009, 09:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a tactic of anyone that is attempting to deceive...divert attention with some distraction while they are proceed to work their evil deeds. In this case, Gayle and her lapdog sycophants scream as loud a possible at anything that moves while they and their cohorts destroy the country. It is very entertaining even while the consequences are so dire.

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<span style="color: #000066">Bush and the Republicans, and the Republican policies, put this country in multi trick bags, from the economy, to the two militarily unwinnable wars.

eight years of Bush, six of them with a Republican blank check Congress, led to these hard times and historically threatening problems, from the collapsed economy, threatening impending depression, billed as being worse than the Great Depression, to the failed foreign policies, and the lies that led this country into huge debts to China, Japan and othersm whioe cutting taxes for the wealthiest Americans.

Those are the facts, which so enrage all of you from the right, who voted for the multi messes that Obama, and the Democratics, must resolve.
Republican Policies....)Premmptive War with Iraq, sold on lies, and fixed intelligence, proven by the British Memo.

No bid contracts for incompetent war profiteering pigs.

Tax cuts for the wealthiest among us, while prosecuting wars, and borrowing from communist countries to pay for all of it.

Destroying our honor, by torturing people.

Politicizing the DOJ, to use it as a political tool.

Planting fake reporters, In the W.H. Press Room, to enhance non stop propaganda.

Emboldening our enemies by launching war of choice, on lies, and torturing people, as proven by our own national Ssecurity Estimate.

The Party Of no, said YES, to every failed Republican policy which led us to this dangerous, critical moment in our history, the worst position we've been in since the Great Depression.

Bush, dropped the ball in Afghanistan, to launch a war on lies, and fill the pockets of his corporate cronies pigs, on the blod of the children of the por and Middle Class.

Bush appointed every single agency head which failed to prevent this economic global collapse.

Bush, destroyed our credibility.

Bush played right into al Qaeda's, North Korea's, Iran's hands, proven by the fact that they all have gained in power, and arrogance, as a result of Bush's foreing policies.

Republicans, LIKE this nut Bachmann, contribute to the lies and dangerous rhetoic, which is leading our country into dangerous domestic results.

Tiller the killer, Bachmann's evil lies about the census, the Republican lies about death panels, two dead people, and idiots with assault weapons strapped to their legs.

Some of us know crazy when we see it. The right, naturally, thinks it looks like patiotism. But then, the right, voted for George Bush, the worst president in our history, who has come close to destroying this country, and the bets are still out on that one.

The truth hurts, and hence, insults are the only weapons any of you righties have in your arsenals.

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llotter
10-07-2009, 09:51 AM
You have the blame game, the all-excuses-all-the-time game down pat but simply you are ignoring the the transformation that The Moron is perpetrating on America. I have been referring to the president as The Moron because anyone how follows the path he has laid out, must to totally ignorant of modern history because that path has been tried many times and it has always failed.

However, because the history is obvious to anyone, I am beginning to believe that The Moron actually wants the country to fail and 'Evil One' might be a better moniker.

Regardless of how bad the situation was when he entered office, he is responsible for setting the disastrous course we are now on and it will do no good to blame previous administrations. Open your eyes and use your head, statism not only is the antithesis of freedom but it always fails and always will fail to make like better. Statism can only make life worse and if Evil One gets his way, neither of us are too old to feel the consequences.

Gayle in MD
10-07-2009, 10:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have the blame game, the all-excuses-all-the-time game down pat but simply you are ignoring the the transformation that The Moron is perpetrating on America. I have been referring to the president as The Moron because anyone how follows the path he has laid out, must to totally ignorant of modern history because that path has been tried many times and it has always failed.

<span style="color: #000066">We all make typos, and rush our writing, at times, but this paragraph above, is one for the books! </span>

However, because the history is obvious to anyone, I am beginning to believe that The Moron actually wants the country to fail and 'Evil One' might be a better moniker.

Regardless of how bad the situation was when he entered office, he is responsible for setting the disastrous course we are now on and it will do no good to blame previous administrations. Open your eyes and use your head, statism not only is the antithesis of freedom but it always fails and always will fail to make like better. Statism can only make life worse and if Evil One gets his way, neither of us are too old to feel the consequences. </div></div>


<span style="color: #000066">Reasonable people, far brighter than either of us, understand that emergency situations for a country, can only be assuaged and addressed by their government.

Government haters, do not understand this.

There WAS a moron who put us into this colossal mess, he was also a liar, without conscience, who called himself, a Christian, as he tortured people, lied us into an illegal, pre-emptive war, against a country and a man which were later proven to be NO THREAT, and ruined America's reputation and credibility.

Obama is not that moron. The fact that you call him such a name, reveals your lack of knowledge of his proven intellect, and your denial of Bush's failed republican policies which led us to this critical time.

Obama has not only restored our honor in the world, but every single indicator on the economy, is better now, than under your own Moron, George Bush, whose policies led us into the multi- emergency circumstances our country faces at present.

The job loss numbers, were far higher, during Bush's tenure. The economy was in trouble, and going down, not up, and a recession was denied for a year by Bush, and his puppets, as they lied over and over again, "The fundamentals of the Economy are strong." While in fact, we were heading for the worst Depression in history, led by Bush's "Ownership Society" and his incompetent appointees, who allowed the economic crisis to grow to disastrous proportions.

Now if you want to call the man, President Obama, who has improved every economic indicator we have, with his policies, which leads the Chariman of the Federal Reserve, an authority on the Great Depression, probably the greatest authority known, to say that the BUSH recession is over, and Obama has diverted the BUSH DEPRESSION, and that jobs will be the last sector, as always, to recover, then go right ahead and prove your own ignorance.

As many economists have stated, in times of great economic emergency, philosophical economic ideology should not hinder a country from taking the bold actions required to divert a full blown depression. The fact that the right doesn't get this, should not surprise any of us, since, after all, it was their own policies which put us all into the pit we must now dig our way out of, and since they have never understood the simmple principle, "Under the conditions prevailing." They also, are responsible for their blank check spendoholic congress, and Bush's asault on America, with his lies, tax cuts, borrowoing, and launching un-necesary war, on lie, which emboldened and strengthened our enemies.

Job loss figures, were over 600,000 a month, under Bush. Obama's actions, have cut that number in half. Many of those on unemployment now, became unemployed, during Bush's tenture, and are still unemployed, a fact which the right prefers to ignore.

Simple arithmetic. but, obviously arithmetic which the right ignores.

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llotter
10-07-2009, 11:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Reasonable people, far brighter than either of us, understand that emergency situations for a country, can only be assuaged and addressed by their government.

Government haters, do not understand this. </div></div>

There is an old saying that those that can, do, and those who can't , teach. The corollary to that is, those that can are in the private sector and those that can't work for government. It is nearly unbelievable that any thinking citizen can still have faith that government is suddenly competent to solve the problems that government created.

It was the rare economist that predicted the current problem but now you think they suddenly know what their talking about? When I took economics, there was a joke about economists having more opinions than their number so anyone should be suspicious when a large number seem to agree on anything. Besides, economists have a self-interest in big government because that is likely to become their employer, especially if they support such crazy policies.

Any thoughtful person might also be suspicious of the rationalization of their policy failures by saying things were worse than the thought when it was they that was doing the thinking, including the Fed Chairman. Claiming a bunch of 'green shoots' magically appearing as businesses continue closing, unemployment numbers continue rising, bubbles yet to break, sounds more like putting lipstick on a pig than reflecting reality.

What you fail to understand is that the economy is too complicated by a factor of 300 million for any individual or group of individuals to understand or plan for effectively. That is exactly why these statist policies are all doomed along with the freedom of our society.

Gayle in MD
10-07-2009, 02:06 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Reasonable people, far brighter than either of us, understand that emergency situations for a country, can only be assuaged and addressed by their government.

Government haters, do not understand this. </div></div>

There is an old saying that those that can, do, and those who can't , teach. The corollary to that is, those that can are in the private sector and those that can't work for government. It is nearly unbelievable that any thinking citizen can still have faith that government is suddenly competent to solve the problems that government created.

It was the rare economist that predicted the current problem but now you think they suddenly know what their talking about? When I took economics, there was a joke about economists having more opinions than their number so anyone should be suspicious when a large number seem to agree on anything. Besides, economists have a self-interest in big government because that is likely to become their employer, especially if they support such crazy policies.

Any thoughtful person might also be suspicious of the rationalization of their policy failures by saying things were worse than the thought when it was they that was doing the thinking, including the Fed Chairman. Claiming a bunch of 'green shoots' magically appearing as businesses continue closing, unemployment numbers continue rising, bubbles yet to break, sounds more like putting lipstick on a pig than reflecting reality.

What you fail to understand is that the economy is too complicated by a factor of 300 million for any individual or group of individuals to understand or plan for effectively. That is exactly why these statist policies are all doomed along with the freedom of our society.









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What is your solution? No regulations? No Government at all? No taxes? No Department of Defense? No supreme Court? No Federal Emergency Management Agency?

Do you really think that Democracy has a chance in hell when the top one percent own more wealth than the entire 95% under them? do you not see a connection between that outcome, and Republican policies?

No connection between REpublican corruption, and failed foreing policies, and our current fiasco in the Middle East?

It's easy to pontificate, but unless one traces the failed policies back to the ideology behind them, one cannot begin to preach on the subject.

There are plenty of hard working federal workers. I've known many of them throughout my life. Your attacks on your Government, and praise of a murderer, are not exactly a commentary to your own intellect, if I may say so.

Bashing the United States Government, without offering an alternative, leaves a huge void, doesn't it? Surely, you have learned that corporations cannot be trusted to regulate themselves, no?


You use the term, statism, without an explanation of your version of what exactly you think statism is. Since you admire a murderer, your definitions of good and evil, are suspect.
G.

pooltchr
10-07-2009, 03:05 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What is your solution? No regulations? No Government at all? No taxes? No Department of Defense? No supreme Court? No Federal Emergency Management Agency?

G. </div></div>

I know that when you ask questions like this you really don't want answers, you just want to promote your statist agenda.
But what the heck.
We need a dept of defense and a supreme court, and they are planned for when the country was founded.
What we don't need is 57 "zars" to pad the government payroll, and create more problems than they solve.
We don't need a federal education department, as this is not a function of the federal government, per the constitution.
We don't need a "car zar" to oversee the federal government's takeover of GM. Should never have happened.
We don't need the federal government telling us that we MUST buy health insurance or they will fine us, and we need to buy it from the federal government.
We don't need the federal government telling corporations how much to pay their employees.
We don't need the federal government telling banks who they should and should not make loans to.
I could go on and on, but it is much easier to just read the constitution and see what the Federal government is and is not responsible for.

Take government down to the size it was intended to be, and a big part of our economic problems would disappear.

So, there is the answer to your question that you really didn't want answered.

Steve

wolfdancer
10-08-2009, 02:25 AM
hey there juggalo,
I get that feeling of deja moo when I read yer anti- USA rhetoric, doofus

wolfdancer
10-08-2009, 03:33 AM
Gayle, I think I'm going to give up on this site....there are too many **** on here now, that want to preserve democracy(their version) they claim, but only for their own kind....I read that crap and think 1930's Germany, and the rise of the second Reich.....and wonder if these hate speeches of theirs aren't being similarly repeated hundreds of times, on other sites, until the emergence of the third Reich, and the beginning of Armageddon. First it would be Americans fighting Americans, and then a weakened America would be attacked by it's enemies.
Pretty far out until you consider how a common house painter, Hitler, used fear, and hate (common theme in their posts here) into becoming the Chancellor of Germany. The new fascists already have one media outlet...Fox News, and Glenn Beck is already dressing the part.

Gayle in MD
10-08-2009, 06:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gayle, I think I'm going to give up on this site....there are too many **** on here now, that want to preserve democracy(their version) they claim, but only for their own kind....I read that crap and think 1930's Germany, and the rise of the second Reich.....and wonder if these hate speeches of theirs aren't being similarly repeated hundreds of times, on other sites, until the emergence of the third Reich, and the beginning of Armageddon. First it would be Americans fighting Americans, and then a weakened America would be attacked by it's enemies.
Pretty far out until you consider how a common house painter, Hitler, used fear, and hate (common theme in their posts here) into becoming the Chancellor of Germany. The new fascists already have one media outlet...Fox News, and Glenn Beck is already dressing the part. </div></div>

Well my friend, we can surely see on a daily bases that these radical RWers here, several of whom have admitted admiration for Beck, Coulter, Palin, and even Limpballs, yes, horror of horrors, one of them listens to him daily, and is dumb enough to brag about it, are themselves suffering from the evil influences of the very fringe element which Republicans are begining to try to seperate themselves from. Finally realizing that this very ill 28% whose opinions reflected in poll numbers are consistantly illogical, and false.

A new book, by Max Blumanthal, think that's his name, Republican Gomorrah addresses exactlty what we see here coming from what is obviously part of that very radical and dangerous element in today's society. You might want to pick up a copy, as the author does a fine job tracing the demise of the Republican Party, directly back to their outrageous pundits, and representatives, such as Beck and Bachmann.

What is either frightening, or hilarious, depending on our mood at the time that we sign on and view the recent titles from several of these radicals here, is that they are so uninformed, completely unaware that their daily rhetoric, parroted from one of their pundits, or Representatives, has already been addressed in the media, fact checked, blown away, and labeled as just another absurd radical fringe RW lie.

The Indoctrination BS, the Birthers, the lies about death panels, the "Paling around with terrorists" exaggeration, all the BS about socialism, and oh, the Democratics are scared of Palin, LMAO, well, we know who jumped right on here with those titles, right?

Now as you and I have discussed, these ridiculous assertions, often preceeded by condescending remarks, calims of intellectual superiority, are humorous, at best, given that the fact that the title of the post has already been proven to be false, but even more comical is when one of them jumps on here and accuses you and I of ignorance, or evil, while they blather about with proven media lies, and follow it up with attacks on ur intelligence, or praise for murderers!

What can I tell you? Even I am amazed by the correctness of our former posts, and the labels we used for public figures, and the radicals of the Repblikook Party, which have since become the subject of complete books, which actually address the nutty 28%, and back up our opinions regarding the untimate damage that would result for their party, (and our country,) and how both would suffer if it continued.

Amazing too, that we now see the Republican Party, making efforts to seperate the party from the very nutty, ill fringe element which they themselves created! Just as they try to seperate themselves from all of the other disasters they created!

Why are we not surprised that we turn on our televisions to see people with assault weapons strapped to their legs, attending events where the president is slated to show up.

Well, for the same reasons we see wjhat responses are here in this thread of mine, which actually addresses the connection between people like O'Reilly, and Beck, yapping about Tiller the Killer, and Bachmann, yapping about the census camps, the deaths wich have followed, and recall the titles written here, from those brilliant experts from the right. the fact that included in their own responses are accusatons evil, while simlutaneously thety actually are praising an evil man who committed an evil act, of murder, points to their overall lack of intellectual capacity, and the nature of their fragmented minds, and when you think of it, are not the RW post titles on this site from that very same radical element, and are they not far from the Nut trees like Bachmann, Beck, O'Reilly and Limpballs?

Not really!

Did you see any responses to our own posts which acknowledge the ridiculous nature and dangerous elements of these ill people showing up with assault weapons, or lying about death panels, birthers, Indoctrination accusations, or Bachmann trying to frighten her nutty comrades with lies about census camps, socialism, communism, "Unamerican Democratic representatives" which actually addressed the absurdity of these RW Fringe nuts, coming from any one of our resident condescending RW nuts?

Guess we know what that means...

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Why would we expect any of these people to have the capacity to grasp economics, enough, to be able to track the causes which led to this disaster, and realize that this is an emergency, and our Presidents efforts are needed under the conditions prevailing, or be at all connect to the value of honor from the rest of the world, and its influence on diplomacy, or the negative result of their greed and lack of empathy for their fellow Americans, or even be successful at explaining to then the elements of true partiotism?

They are so far from that, have been so thoroughly led astray, themselves indoctrinated, by the likes of Reagan, Beck Coulter, Bachmann, Boehner, Gingrich, Limpballs, Bush and Cheney, and they don't even know it.

Sad but true...