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llotter
10-07-2009, 08:54 AM
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=508150

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barack Obama has an elastic (capable of being stretched) approach to reality. Facts that do not suit him are set aside and replaced with fabrications. The "L" word of Joe Wilson fame is insufficient to describe the skill with which the president deceives millions of people into believing fables. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">• Not all taxes are taxes; government spending is free and debt never has to be repaid.

• He and Congress have our best interests at heart and are smarter than we are. They should run everything.

• Too much high-quality medical care is bad for us. We must switch to the government brand. It's almost the real thing. It's also "free." Just take a ticket and be patient.

• Energy must be made scarce and more expensive. Never mind the job losses (more than a million per year from "cap-and-trade" alone). Forget about the economic destruction (at least $2 trillion over a decade).

• After America's factories are shut, the Chinese will give us jobs in theirs. </div></div>

The Obamatrons can no longer think for themselves because they have invested so much of themselves in the NEW AMERICA

LWW
10-07-2009, 09:03 AM
Many Americans are no doubt confused by some of the terminology used by the president in recent weeks as he has given speeches before a joint session of Congress and the United Nations, conducted a variety of television interviews and introduced new policy proposals. As a public service, we are providing a glossary of these terms with their real meanings:


Let's be clear:

ACORN – who? Never heard of them. (For related definition of Defunding – “holding a show vote on an amendment to eliminate funding, then bottling up the bill” – see the Congressional Glossary.)

Action (as in “now is the time for action”) – big government.

Balanced and sustained (as in “chart a course for growth that is balanced and sustained”) – involving more big government.

Choice – the opportunity to select big government.

Competition – we choose who wins.

Compromise – accepting my position after I give a big speech.

Cost savings – $900 billion in new spending.

Create or save (as in “create or save 4 million jobs”) – destroy or lose, as in 2 million jobs.

Engagement – a combination of unilateral concessions and America-bashing abroad.

Fact (as in, “these are the facts” or “to state a fact”) – my opinion.

Honest debate – agreeing with me.

Incorporate (as in “incorporate ideas from Republicans”) – include in the early stages of a proposal and then have Pelosi and Reid drop like a hot potato behind closed doors in the final version.

Irresponsible (as in “irresponsible behavior”) – constitutionally protected.

Misinformation – facts, when presented by our opponents.

Neutrality (as in “net neutrality”) – favoring one side in a dispute, especially when that side has supported your campaign and provided a senior White House staff member.

Necessary (as in “necessary war”) – not really that necessary, at least when it comes to backing up your words with required manpower and funding and standing up to your liberal base.

Negotiations without preconditions – the position I took vis-à-vis our enemies during the campaign, then denied taking, but am now trying to force on the Israelis.

Nobody (as in “nobody disputes [these facts]”) – no liberals or members of the mainstream media.

Non-profit (as in proposals to establish tax-favored, non-profit status for failing newspapers) – making official a condition that has existed unofficially for years.

Nothing (as in “nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have”) – everything.

Plan (as in, “the [health-care] plan I am announcing tonight”) – a really good speech.

Respect (as in, “respects the rights of the Israelis and Palestinians” or “the Iranians and North Koreans”) – overrun (Israelis) or elevate beyond reason with no expectation of reciprocity (everyone else).

Responsibility (as in the “responsibility” to buy health insurance or America’s “responsibility” to confront global warming) – big government telling people or nations things they have to do. (See “Action” above.)

Scare tactics – see “Misinformation” above.

Security (as in “stability and security” in health care or “true security for all Israelis”) – you’re toast.

Stand by our friends – desert our friends in order to “engage” with our enemies. (See “Engagement” above.)

Tax – certainly not the fine that goes along with the individual mandate. No matter what that little #&%@! Stephanopoulos or Webster’s say.

Bipartisan support - everyone doing what I want

Change - screw up totally

Crisis - enablement for something I wish to implement without opposition

Distraction - embarrassing major news story

False Choices - any options other than the one I want

Fairness - distribution of spoils to my supporters

I don't think... (as in "I don't think my opponents are racist")
- My surrogates take the criticism for saying something I believe while I look conciliatory by appearing to deny it

Let me be clear - incoherent obfuscation coming up

Must Be (as in if the governments of Iran and North Korea choose to ignore international standards . . . then they must be held accountable.)
- won't be

Multilateralism - I'm too weak to make any kind of decision so I'm waiting for someone else to take the lead

Old way of doing... (as in Wall Street understands it must shed "the old way of doing business") - Something that does not benefit me

Racist - anyone who does not agree with me

Smart diplomacy - dumb sh*t that anyone with half a brain would see as lunacy

Special Interests - any group not on my side; contrast with Pubilc Good which are the unions, ACORN and anybody else I feel like rewarding

Won't (as in "I said I won't sign a bill that adds to the deficit or the national debt.") - absolutely positively will

OH DEAR! (http://www.northstarnational.com/2009/09/24/a-helpful-obama-glossary/)

OH MY! (http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=4096)

LWW

Gayle in MD
10-07-2009, 10:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">• Not all taxes are taxes; government spending is free and debt never has to be repaid.

• He and Congress have our best interests at heart and are smarter than we are. They should run everything.

• Too much high-quality medical care is bad for us. We must switch to the government brand. It's almost the real thing. It's also "free." Just take a ticket and be patient.

• Energy must be made scarce and more expensive. Never mind the job losses (more than a million per year from "cap-and-trade" alone). Forget about the economic destruction (at least $2 trillion over a decade).

• After America's factories are shut, the Chinese will give us jobs in theirs. </div></div>


<span style="color: #000066"> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Every single one of these disasters has already happened under BUSH!

Energy reports out today, predict that energy costs will go down this winter.

Destablizing the Middle east, has always brought energy costs up.
Hence, both Bush's, and Cheney, and many other Neocons, who have been in business with the bin Ladens, the Saudis, and even Iran, in the past, always cry out to destablize the Middle East, by launching war. Have you forgotten that Bush, and is father were both in the oil business, as was Dick Cheney? Already forgot watching Bush making out with the Saudi guy? Flying bin Laden's family out of the country, and his Dad in a meeting with them on 9/11, also flown out?

NEED A CRAYON!
You are the one who is denying the truth.
G. </span> </span>

llotter
10-07-2009, 11:48 AM
At what point, Gayle, would you ever come to question whether we are on the right track or not? What evidence do you want to see to justify changing your opinion?

Gayle in MD
10-07-2009, 01:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">At what point, Gayle, would you ever come to question whether we are on the right track or not? What evidence do you want to see to justify changing your opinion? </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066">I could ask you the same thing. Bailouts started with Reagan. Didn't he bail out the Savings and Loan Corporations?

Was he not involved in government taking over?

Did he not sell arms to the Contras, in secret, and then lie about it?

Did he not fire the Air Traffic Controllers?

Did he not go out against all the Unions? Did he not launch the Hate Your Government Mantra?

Raise taxes six times after throwing the country into a recession? Bush one, didn't raise taxes after his, Read My Lips Lie? did we not see the economy suffer under both REagan and Bush? did they bopth not spread weapons around the world that are killing our troops to this day? Didn't their foreign policies set off the entire war with the Islamo Fascists, al Qaeda, Iran, and didn't REagan do abxolutely NOTHING, when terrorists killed hundreds of sleeping marines?

What evidence do you want to see? You are calling Obama out for every mess that Bush left us in, and you want to question my points of reality? You are the one in denial.

Our current economic difficulties are a direct result of REPUBLICAN POLICIES. Tax cuts which most advantage the wealthies among us.

Tax cuts, while waging war.

Pre-emptive attacks on a country that was no immediate threat, that has cost this country billions upon billions of dollars, and what did we get out of all of that? NOTHING!

Corporations being subsidized while they pollute our air, water, and food.

Corporate Insurance Industry, practicing unprofessionally, Pharmaceuticals, pushing drugs that are unsafe, and paying off doctors to help them push them to the public, buying hours of TV time every night, brainwashing men into E. Dysfunction, and promising four hour long errections, so they can push drugs that put men at risk for heat attacks, VIVA Viagra. Just listen to the side affects of these drugs, and review the costs to our society.

Obama has turned the economy around, by all acccounts, and the Chairmen of the Federal REserve says we are at the end of the Recession. Housing sales have been up. People are drawing a breath over escaping Bush's Impending Depression, and you don't have a good word to say about the man who by all accounts, has put America back in the number one spot of admiration of all the countries of the world, after Bush had us down to 7th.

You righties denied reality for eight damn years, and now, you are STILL denying it, eventhough all indicators point to improvment.

What's it going to take for you guys to absorb the fact that the Republican love of de-regulation, their neocon foreign policy, their borrowing and spending, their lying and cheating, led us right to where we are right now.

Look at the mess we are facing in Afghanistan, where the people do not want us to protect them from anything. where the government is corrupt, and where Bush dropped the ball for a war of choice, for his oil cronies, on lies.

Do you ever admit to anything?

Republican policies of selling arms and weapons to future enemies, are at the crux of our foreign threats, their onw policies, of invading and killling innocent people, their own policies, of ignoring the threat of oil dependence on foreing countries, rising, unsustainable health costs, corrupt home and health insurance practices, predatory lending, and Wll Street Crooks scaming all of us, with the blesings of the Free Market solves all.

Well, it didn't solve all, and it never has.

As I have written here for yeqars.

Corporations cannot be trusted to regulate themselves. to think otherwise, is absolutely insane.

Yet, that is exactly what Greenspan, Bush and the rest of Bush's appointees, allowed.

Just as Bush failed to take warnings of the coming attack on 9/11, seriously, he failed to take warnings of the coming economic collapse seriously.


Do you ever stop to ask yourself where we would be right now if our government hadn't stepped in to take emergency moves to keep all the banks and credit going?

You think our regulators should have just allowed everything to collapse? Let the credit dry completely up? let the CEO's cheat us without holding any of them to account after they lined up for help?

You think invading Iraq, on lies, didn't damage our economy, nd credibility in the world? Didn't empower our enemies?. Huge debts to China, didn't put us at a disadvantage? Subsidizing corporations who outsource our jobs, hasn't hurt our own jobs here? Reagan's Amnesty, didn't bring more flooding over our borders by the multi-millions, and for what, for cheap labor for the corporate fascist pigs! While all the rest of us have to absorb the emergency room costs of illegals who don't have health care?

Open up your eyes. Republican Policies, all fo them, and yes, Clinton should never have signed NAFTA, but had he been around to oversee it, it would never have grown to the problem it became, IMO.

G.
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llotter
10-07-2009, 02:09 PM
I have already told you that I have strongly disagreed with GW and didn't and wouldn't vote for him because of his big government spending, including the expansion of medicare and No Child Left Behind. I didn't agree with the amnesty program or his tax increased or the SS compromise of Reagan and actually contributed to GHWB's opponent in '92 because of his stupidity. I have been very much up front at my distaste for many Republicans because they have not followed their own platform or their heritage.

I supported Hillary for NY senator over a spineless Republican on the theory that it is better to elect a wolf than a wolf in sheep's clothing. It is, IMO, these spineless Republicans that have given conservatives such a bad name.

will you now answer my question?

Gayle in MD
10-07-2009, 02:46 PM
I will answer your question if you can make it a specific question.

You are asking if we are on the right track, and much of what is being debated has not yet been settled.

Our foreign policy, for example, is under review right now.

Our health care debate, is still under weigh.

I would have to say that IMO, Obama has been forced into certain situations which I believe, he had no desire to have to deal with, such as bailing out the economy, to avoid a greater disaster, and having to get involved in the banking, credit, and auto industries.

I think he is an honest man, who is very sincere about bringing positive transformation and change to our country, and that he does care about people, not just the wealthy, and not just the corporate fascists CEO's who've robbed all the rest of us for years, and corrupted Democracy.

I also think he deserves at least a year of patience, from all of us, given he has inherited the worst inheritance, ever left to any American President, according to both historians, and economists, and foreign policy experts.

I view those who have jumped up to bash him, and discredit him, and slander him, as unamerican, and petty, and so partisan that their opinions are not reasonable.

Now we can see, thay see me as that way, and to that I say, Neither Obama, nor Bill Clinton, nor Jimmy Carter, were as dishonest, incompetent, and overall as damaging to our country, as Reagan, Bush and Bush. I say that because our problems can be traced back to their decisions, on of them being an all out invasion of illegal aliens, probably one of our most expensive, and disruptive circumstances, given all the peripheral issues which have developed due to Amnesty.

Will I ever change my mind about Reagan, Bush and Bush, or the Republicans whose tactics are always to slander, lie and delegitimize every single Democratic president, hell no.

Will I change my mind about who brought us to this brink of disaster.

Hell no.

Will I change my mind about thinking a man who honors a murderer, is himself, suffering from a twisted sense of values?

Hell no again.

Is there anything else?

wolfdancer
10-08-2009, 02:56 AM
Gayle, you can't reason with that ******
He's not trying to make any sense....one trip is to be the
#1 annoying dickhead on the board here, and he'll keep making up sh*t and piling on the insults just to get noticed, and be the center of attention....jes like his good buddy.
On the other hand...I think he's "Loony Tunes" enough to believe this "let's take back the country" bs that he writes. He wants to save freedom by taking it away from the groups of Americans that think differently then he does. With his hatred of President Obama, and his admiration of Koppps assassination, who knows WTF he'll do....

Gayle in MD
10-08-2009, 08:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gayle, you can't reason with that ******
He's not trying to make any sense....one trip is to be the
#1 annoying dickhead on the board here, and he'll keep making up sh*t and piling on the insults just to get noticed, and be the center of attention....jes like his good buddy.
On the other hand...I think he's "Loony Tunes" enough to believe this "let's take back the country" bs that he writes. He wants to save freedom by taking it away from the groups of Americans that think differently then he does. With his hatred of President Obama, and his admiration of Koppps assassination, who knows WTF he'll do....
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I'll say! BTW, how does one deny the "Turth" /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Sev
10-08-2009, 08:13 AM
Actually it is possible to trace our current problems back to T.R. and Wilson.