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Gayle in MD
10-08-2009, 09:50 AM
Tracking some of the more outrageous unamerican posters on here will lead you to this website, so here is a link for you.

What does this say about the dangerous elements in our country?

Is there any wonder we're seeing them show up with assault weapons strapped to their legs?

http://www.Townhall.com

A quick glance at this site will reveal one of their members,
The Center For the Future Of Russia.

And a long list of radicals, and Rw pundits.

You will note their connections to the Heritage Foundation, Hewitt, many Neocons of the press, and wow, even the former communists who launched the Neocon Movement.

Pretty repulsive, the very radical RW group, so full of communist accusations, and so many connections to the communist party, going all the way back to Preston Bush?

If you are interested in a whole list of books tracing back to the original connections between the Neocons and the communist party, and the current RW pundits and supposed "Journalists" pm me, and I happily send it to you.

In the meantime, notice the connections between the radical right on here, and this communist website.

G.

Kerbouchard
10-08-2009, 10:19 AM
And I thought you didn't care...

Although, since when does not being a Democrat = Un-American?

Chopstick
10-08-2009, 10:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tracking some of the more outrageous unamerican posters on here will lead you to this website
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Yeah, straight to your posts.

pooltchr
10-08-2009, 10:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kerbouchard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And I thought you didn't care...

Although, since when does not being a Democrat = Un-American? </div></div>

Since Gayle decided they were the same thing.
Steve

Bobbyrx
10-08-2009, 01:32 PM
Didn't one of your posts lead me directly to Socialistworker.org yesterday and the Mad As Hell Doctors?

Gayle in MD
10-09-2009, 02:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bobbyrx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't one of your posts lead me directly to Socialistworker.org yesterday and the Mad As Hell Doctors? </div></div>


The two are not connected. How many time do I have to tell you that.

llotter
10-09-2009, 06:59 AM
there is no doubt that many liberals/communists get 'mugged by reality' and become conservative. As Churchill said, 'if your are twenty and not a liberal, you have no heart but if you are forty and not a conservative, you have no head.'

Townhall.com is a good conservative source that has no connection to communism and to pick on them with some arcane and unnamed references only shows how distant you are from relevance.

Sev
10-09-2009, 08:18 AM
What Gayle fails to mention is that it was a black man with the assault weapon.


OHHHH the Horror!!!

Gayle in MD
10-09-2009, 09:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">there is no doubt that many liberals/communists get 'mugged by reality' and become conservative. As Churchill said, 'if your are twenty and not a liberal, you have no heart but if you are forty and not a conservative, you have no head.'

Townhall.com is a good conservative source that has no connection to communism and to pick on them with some arcane and unnamed references only shows how distant you are from relevance. </div></div>

You seem to think there is some connection between REpublicans, and Conservatives, when that idea is completely false, given the current state of the Republican Party, with only 28% claiming to be Republican.

If you think that Democratics are not conservative, you are sadly mistaken. I am a Democratic, myself, and consider myself conservative, as do many other Democratics. Seems to me that none other than the right onn here has written that the Republicans Majority, and George Bush, were not conservative.

You need to educate yourself, and catch up to current affairs, regarding the label. It is no longer associated with Republicanism. Also, most Independents consider themselves conservative, and that party is basically composed of former Repubs and Dems.

Reasonable people know that when a fast approaching depression has been dumped on a new president, with between 500,000 and 600,000 jobs reported lost every month, and 62% of Americans losing their homes to incredibly fast rising health care costs, and from being dumped and scamed by the Insurance industry, it is time to address the issue.

Change is costly as is thwarting a depression, up front, but in the long run, money is saved by each effort.

Your partisan impatience, along with your lack of knowledge, puts you at a great disadvantage in being able to understand why President Obama must do the things he is trying to do.

g.

sack316
10-09-2009, 09:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What does this say about the dangerous elements in our country?

Is there any wonder we're seeing them show up with assault weapons strapped to their legs?
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You know, I recall seeing several allusions to the dangers of RW protestors, seen this assault weapon on leg thing referenced several times, and posts about the possible violence from such groups.

Yet, comparing certain things, say the most major "dangerous" Tea Party in Washington with the G20 protests in Pittsburgh... which seems worse?

Sack

Gayle in MD
10-09-2009, 09:59 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What does this say about the dangerous elements in our country?

Is there any wonder we're seeing them show up with assault weapons strapped to their legs?
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You know, I recall seeing several allusions to the dangers of RW protestors, seen this assault weapon on leg thing referenced several times, and posts about the possible violence from such groups.

Yet, comparing certain things, say the most major "dangerous" Tea Party in Washington with the G20 protests in Pittsburgh... which seems worse?

Sack </div></div>

I don't know, Sack, I'd have to read up on the G-20 group. My understanding is that that is an international group, and that many of them fly in from other countries to protest.

However, no violence, nor approval of violence, nor threats of violence, nor the carrying of weapons stapped to protestors bodies, in crowds, by civilians, is good at all, IMO.

Bobbyrx
10-09-2009, 10:44 AM
No different than what you are saying about Townhall.com

Gayle in MD
10-09-2009, 12:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bobbyrx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No different than what you are saying about Townhall.com </div></div>

Totally different. An organization supporting a policy, does not mean there is an overall shared view on all subjects.

Do a little research on who runs townhall.com, educate yourself so you can understand the vast difference for yourself.

Better yet, read a few books about the Republican Party, and what they've done to themselves with their divisive hatespeak and slander tactics, and unamerican activities.

They have shamed themselves with their own behavior and approval of their own creation of the monserous radical right wing nuts who shame the whole country with their own ignorance, racism, sexism, homophobia, and corruption.

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pooltchr
10-09-2009, 12:39 PM
If the Republicans want to learn how to use divisive hatespeak, they should hire you as the lead instructor.

Steve

Bobbyrx
10-09-2009, 01:35 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do a little research on who runs townhall.com, educate yourself so you can understand the vast difference for yourself.
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Isn't it George Soros or Arianna Huffington? I don't need to do any research. If you prefer Socialistworker.org to Townhall.com go for it, I'm not surprized. I just don't happen to agree.

Gayle in MD
10-09-2009, 02:08 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bobbyrx</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do a little research on who runs townhall.com, educate yourself so you can understand the vast difference for yourself.
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Isn't it George Soros or Arianna Huffington? I don't need to do any research. If you prefer Socialistworker.org to Townhall.com go for it, I'm not surprized. I just don't happen to agree. </div></div>

I have no interest in either groupM nor in you, I simply thought since you are supposedly interested in the Townhall.com site, you might want to study up on how many communists support it, but then, that surely wouldn't interest you, either.

Bobbyrx
10-09-2009, 02:13 PM
There you go getting personal again. I'm familiar with Townhall.com already because they have many conservative columnists all in one place. Why communists would support that I don't know but I dare say more support Socialistworker.org than Townhall.com

Gayle in MD
10-09-2009, 02:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bobbyrx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There you go getting personal again. I'm familiar with Townhall.com already because they have many conservative columnists all in one place. Why communists would support that I don't know but I dare say more support Socialistworker.org than Townhall.com </div></div>

I'm sure you'd like to believe that, but i fact, you are wrong.

Read The Rise Of The Vulcans sometime and you'll see what I mean.

G.

Sev
10-09-2009, 03:35 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

You seem to think there is some connection between REpublicans, and Conservatives, when that idea is completely false, given the current state of the Republican Party, with only 28% claiming to be Republican.

If you think that Democratics are not conservative, you are sadly mistaken. <span style='font-size: 14pt'> <span style="color: #CC0000">I am a Democratic, myself, and consider myself conservative,</span></span> as do many other Democratics. Seems to me that none other than the right onn here has written that the Republicans Majority, and George Bush, were not conservative.

You need to educate yourself, and catch up to current affairs, regarding the label. It is no longer associated with Republicanism. Also, most Independents consider themselves conservative, and that party is basically composed of former Repubs and Dems.
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Good lord. No wonder you are confused.

llotter
10-09-2009, 09:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You seem to think there is some connection between REpublicans, and Conservatives, when that idea is completely false, given the current state of the Republican Party, with only 28% claiming to be Republican.

If you think that Democratics are not conservative, you are sadly mistaken. I am a Democratic, myself, and consider myself conservative, as do many other Democratics. Seems to me that none other than the right onn here has written that the Republicans Majority, and George Bush, were not conservative.

You need to educate yourself, and catch up to current affairs, regarding the label. It is no longer associated with Republicanism. Also, most Independents consider themselves conservative, and that party is basically composed of former Repubs and Dems.

Reasonable people know that when a fast approaching depression has been dumped on a new president, with between 500,000 and 600,000 jobs reported lost every month, and 62% of Americans losing their homes to incredibly fast rising health care costs, and from being dumped and scamed by the Insurance industry, it is time to address the issue.

Change is costly as is thwarting a depression, up front, but in the long run, money is saved by each effort.

Your partisan impatience, along with your lack of knowledge, puts you at a great disadvantage in being able to understand why President Obama must do the things he is trying to do.

g.

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Gayle, I do not identify by party and I try to make my arguments based more on conservative vs liberal. I define conservative as supporting small government and traditional family values and liberal as advocating aggressive use of government in a way that has come to be called the 'nanny state'. This nanny, however, is not the caring sort that you might hire to help care for your children, This government nanny is the domineering sort that oversees more and more of your life and on top of that, this nanny sets 'her' own very high salary and has a lifetime employment contract so you can never be free of 'her'.

From my perspective, taking care of yourself and your family is the essence of what it means to be free...it's the opposite of being dependent.

In addition, conservatives believe that what is called 'capitalism' is the economic system that exists when people are free to spend their own money as they see fit and therefore equally essential to living in a free society. Fortunately, capitalism is also the most efficient economic system possible and that is why America became the richest country in the world.

While you point out that losses now are less that losses before, anyone can plainly see that government interference in the capitalist system in growing dramatically from an already high level. This can only result in a much less efficiency in the economy. While this forced stress has improved productivity, the overhead burden (cost of government) is necessarily growing faster.

Granted, change can be very expensive and we are getting a taste of exactly how expensive. We have already changed from small government and personal responsibility, from a free economy to a 'mixed' economy over the last several decades and it has proved to be extremely expensive. Bankruptcy of virtually every government program and debt up way beyond our children's ability to pay. Now these problems are so big that even more government, it is argued, must move in immediately or all is lost but the underlying truth is that the basic problem...the incredible inefficiency of government. When you tax efficiency and subsidize inefficiency on such a mega-scale, poverty will become more and more the norm and unless we change direction, there can be no real improvement.

This is not a partisan issue, this is basic economic law.

pooltchr
10-10-2009, 11:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> When you tax efficiency and subsidize inefficiency on such a mega-scale, poverty will become more and more the norm </div></div>

Such a simple idea, and so profoundly true. Too bad it is lost on those who prefer to support the liberal party rather than actually think about the truth.

Steve

wolfdancer
10-10-2009, 03:01 PM
lol !!! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Gayle in MD
10-10-2009, 06:09 PM
Since we have completely different values, ideals, and even definitions, any effots to communicate is severly limited.

As I have noted many times, the fact that you write admiration for a murderer, completely wipes out any credibility that I could hold for your other opinions, and particularly so, in terms of freedom, Democracy, right and wrong, and so on.

No country can remain democratically free, and economically sound, when the chasm between the wealthy and the rest, is so broad and deep.

Socialism for corporate powers, and politicians bought and paid for by corporate interests, is what ruins our country, and the problem always increases hugely whenever Republicans have power, and the government charts, prove that.

Not until Americans work together to demand public financed campaigns, and work to overturn the Supreme Court's opinion that corporation's right to "Free speech" is representative of their powerful influence through multi millions in contributions, and close the swinging doors between government positions, and lobbyists positions in the marketplace, will our freedom and best interests be safe.

Huge corporate bonuses are promised, with the understanding that parts of them are set aside for paying off politicans, with plenty kept in reserve to cover the taxes, and a big return for the corporation to follow, which comes back through either government contracts, or loose oversight which favors corporate interests.

The result, halliburton's no bid contracts, thousand of dead soldiers lost in a war for oil, dirty water, food and air, and every program which aids the Middle Clas,, defunded. That is the description of Republican Policies.

That is not democracy.

G.

llotter
10-10-2009, 09:05 PM
First, you should understand that there is a holocaust X 7 taking place right under our noses in this country and just as I would admire anyone who might have shot Joseph Mengele or Hitler while they were carry out their evil deeds, even though they were only doing what was legal, I think what James Kopp did was take the law into his own hands but IMO, justifiable.

Second, I totally agree with you about the huge discrepancy in income and wealth in our country and I believe it applies to sports and entertainment as well as the business world. I think it is a manifestation of a breakdown in our value system and a consequence of the growth of the State which undermines personal responsibility and fosters greed.

The reason the there is socialism for corporate powers and politicians that are bought and paid for is that we have allowed incredible amounts of power and money to amass itself in DC and it is inevitable that that much power will be corrupted...i.e., power corrupts. This is why conservatives support small government with very powers limited to very few specific areas.

It is impossible to have so much power centered in DC and then attempt to keep corruption out. Look, the bureaucracy couldn't ever catch Madoff even though they were explicitly warned. They couldn't control Freddie Mac or Fanny Mae or Social Security or Medicare or much of anything else. The power is not only corrupted by corporate interests, it is also corrupted by various voting blocks and a huge variety of special interests. Essentially the politician purchases votes and contributions with tax dollars wherever he can and with little regard to how it will affect the country in the long run. As John M. Keynes famously said, 'in the long run we are all dead.'

The only way to correct the situation is to dramatically decrease the size and scope of federal responsibility and let free people freely conduct their own affairs.

Gayle in MD
10-11-2009, 12:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I think what James Kopp did was take the law into his own hands but IMO, justifiable.
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<span style='font-size: 20pt'> That is a disgraceful thing to believe, and as I noted, there could be no room for someone like you, to debate anything with someone like me, since I respcet the laws of my country, and think that the man you admire, was a repulsive POS, COWARD! </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Look, the bureaucracy couldn't ever catch Madoff even though they were explicitly warned. They couldn't control Freddie Mac or Fanny Mae or Social Security or Medicare or much of anything else.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'> That is because Bush and the republicans had all the power, and appoited all the crooks, lobbyists and incompetents to head the agencies, whie sending out the message that Bush['s free for all, for the wealthy and corrupt, was secure under the Bushy's running the DOJ, while they spent all the money, told all the lies, ignored all the warnings, and broke all the laws and eventually, killed thousands of our troops, and untold innocents on the other side of the world. </span>




The power is not only corrupted by corporate interests, it is also corrupted by various voting blocks and a huge variety of special interests. Essentially the politician purchases votes and contributions with tax dollars wherever he can and with little regard to how it will affect the country in the long run. As John M. Keynes famously said, 'in the long run we are all dead.'

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<span style="color: #000066">Well, I have the solution for ending world hunger, so all's well that ends well....</span>


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sack316
10-11-2009, 03:27 PM
Sarah Silverman. What a crazy woman, but usually pretty darn funny.

Sack