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Deeman3
10-13-2009, 07:41 AM
NASHVILLE (The Borowitz Report) - President Barack Obama stunned the country music world today by picking up its highest honor, Country Music Entertainer of the Year.

Mr. Obama was chosen unanimously, according to the Country Music Association, beating out such favorite as Carrie Underwood and Toby Keith.

In Nashville, country music insiders were shocked by Mr. Obama's selection, given that he has only been in office for eight months and during that time has yet to record a single country song.

But Mr. Obama was gracious in receiving the honor, saying that he was "honored and humbled" by the award before excusing himself to accept this year's Heisman Trophy

Gayle in MD
10-13-2009, 07:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">NASHVILLE (The Borowitz Report) - President Barack Obama stunned the country music world today by picking up its highest honor, Country Music Entertainer of the Year.

Mr. Obama was chosen unanimously, according to the Country Music Association, beating out such favorite as Carrie Underwood and Toby Keith.

In Nashville, country music insiders were shocked by Mr. Obama's selection, given that he has only been in office for eight months and during that time has yet to record a single country song.

But Mr. Obama was gracious in receiving the honor, saying that he was "honored and humbled" by the award before excusing himself to accept this year's Heisman Trophy
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Jealous Deeman, that the world hates Bush, and loves Obama?


Just quiet down and lick your wounds over all your poor voting desions, the world agrees with us, not you righties. Even THAT is enough for any of you to admit that Bush was a failure, who ruined our economy, and borrowed us into this emergency situation, which required the bailouts and stimulous.

As usual, Republicans are good at bashing, but out of touch with reality, and have no clue about how to survive their own disasters.

Gayle in Md.

eg8r
10-13-2009, 07:57 AM
Poor gaylio couldn't even find it in her heart to laugh at a joke. It truly must be sad living in that house with her.

eg8r

eg8r
10-13-2009, 07:57 AM
Very funny.

eg8r

Kerbouchard
10-13-2009, 09:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just quiet down and lick your wounds over all your poor voting desions, the world agrees with us, not you righties. Even THAT is enough for any of you to admit that Bush was a failure, who ruined our economy, and borrowed us into this emergency situation, which required the bailouts and stimulous.
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The world is going down the tubes and most countries only barely keep their citizens alive through the charity of the United States.

The fact that a bunch of Socialist, appeasing, third world countries who live off the fruits of the United States agree with our new self-degrading agenda does speak volumes about the direction our country is heading.

But not in a good way.

Deeman3
10-13-2009, 09:45 AM
[quote=Gayle in MD
Just quiet down and lick your wounds over all your poor voting desions, the world agrees with us, not you righties. Even THAT is enough for any of you to admit that Bush was a failure, who ruined our economy, and borrowed us into this emergency situation, which required the bailouts and stimulous.

Gayle in Md.
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<span style="color: #FF0000"> Gayle,

How long do you think anyone, including the left will continue to buy this "it was Bush! lie?" I mean, while it has only been ten months and he has been awarded a ton of awards, he has already had to abandon the public option and will accept anything they send him now. He contniues the very same Bush policies you tried to slaughter Bush over and even his own party, outside the White House is beginning to understand he is a politician, albeit the most popular one in Europe and the Middle East. His White House said, "Unemployment at 8% (now at 9.8) not me. He said save or create 3.5 million jobs, not me.


Now afterall this failure, you would not celebrate his entry into Country Music's Entertainer of the Year? Shame on you. </span>

Gayle in MD
10-13-2009, 10:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Gayle in MD
Just quiet down and lick your wounds over all your poor voting desions, the world agrees with us, not you righties. Even THAT is enough for any of you to admit that Bush was a failure, who ruined our economy, and borrowed us into this emergency situation, which required the bailouts and stimulous.

Gayle in Md.
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<span style="color: #FF0000"> Gayle,

How long do you think anyone, including the left will continue to buy this "it was Bush! lie?"

<span style="color: #000066">You think Bush didn't lie? didn't fix the intellience to fit his desired plicies. I suppose that means that you think the Birtish intelligence man lied in his own memo to tony Blair? "The Bush administration is fixing intelligence to fit their policy." </span>

I mean, while it has only been ten months and he has been awarded a ton of awards,

<span style="color: #000066">A ton? More of your usual exaggeration styled fantasy diversions. I only know of one award. Do educate us on the rest of the TON. </span>


he has already had to abandon the public option and will accept anything they send him now.

<span style="color: #000066">Good rendition of Rep[ublican talking points, and your hero, Beck, who fakes tears for admirers like you, the only probl;em is that he never promised, nor mentioned a public option. He promised to work to reform health care, and that is pr3ecisely what he is doing. </span>


He contniues the very same Bush policies you tried to slaughter Bush over


<span style="color: #000066">No he doesn't. The United States no longer tortures prisoners. Show me one thing, just one, that proves otherwise. AND, he is working to close GITMO. </span>


and even his own party, outside the White House is beginning to understand he is a politician,

<span style="color: #000066">LMAO! Now, do tell me please, just one president of the United states, who was not a politician. Are George Bush, and Dick Cheney, politicians? Your beloved Sara Palin, wasn't a politician? </span>

albeit the most popular one in Europe and the Middle East.

<span style="color: #000066">Yes, and here in America, as well, a fact that you find annoying, but true, nevertheless. </span>


His White House said, "Unemployment at 8% (now at 9.8) not me. <span style="color: #000066">Yes, Bush's near depression has been quite difficult, but Obama is winning the battle, as the economists say the recession is over, and most people with any knowledge know that jobs are the last part of our economy to recover. Too bad you din't hold Bush to such tight standards, while our troops were being slaughtered because he didn't see that they had decent equipment to fight his war of choice in Iraq. </span> He said save or create 3.5 million jobs, not me.

<span style="color: #000066">His stimulous has saved hundred of thousands of jobs already, and the money hasn't all gotten out there yet. You'd prefer if over 9 billions was lost, like the Bush Administration managed. I realize, you aren't used to a thoughful, careful decision maker, but I think we all saw the results of Cowboy diplmacy, and gut decisions of choice, and America voted against that the last time. </span>


Now afterall this failure, you would not celebrate his entry into Country Music's Entertainer of the Year? Shame on you. </span> [/quote]


<span style="color: #000066">Actually, I'd have nominated Bush for that, given his propensity to play the bongo drums, albiet s poorly, as everything else he did, including overseeing the financial markets, addressing hurricanes, handling our money, and prosecuting wars. </span>

pooltchr
10-13-2009, 10:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> the only probl;em is that he never promised, nor mentioned a public option.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Odd. I seem to recall him just a few months ago say he wouldn't sign a bill that didn't include a public option. </span>

jobs are the last part of our economy to recover.
<span style="color: #FF0000"> In case you hadn't noticed, jobs are not recovering. In fact they continue to disappear. Admittedly, at a slower rate than earlier in the year, but there are still fewer jobs today than there were a month ago. How much longer is this going to be Bush's fault?

</span>

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<span style="color: #FF0000">Steve </span>

eg8r
10-13-2009, 03:49 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No he doesn't. The United States no longer tortures prisoners. Show me one thing, just one, that proves otherwise. AND, he is working to close GITMO. </div></div>With everything you blame Bush for doing these are the only two policies you disagreed with? Or are these the only two that you hated which Obama is not continuing? The wiretap policy seems to be going pretty strong, are you going to credit Obama with that?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Yes, Bush's near depression has been quite difficult, but Obama is winning the battle, as the economists say the recession is over,</div></div>Obama lies about creating jobs to get a trillion dollar bill passed and then you blame Bush when more and more are laid off.

eg8r

wolfdancer
10-13-2009, 04:10 PM
c'mon now....the Bubbas ain't that advanced yet, that they would allow a Black, C&W star.
Everybody knows that Charlie Pride was really a White man, wearing Black face makeup.

pooltchr
10-13-2009, 08:33 PM
There are 25 NASCAR people in town tomorrow to vote on the first 5 inductees to the NASCAR hall of fame. Callers to one of the local talk radio shows were suggesting Obama...not necessarily for his compliments, but for his vision, and for his ability to keep going left, exert a lot of energy, keep going in circles, and end up right back where he started.
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Steve

sack316
10-13-2009, 09:26 PM
nice one Steve, I just totally ripped you off on that one btw... hope ya don't mind.

Sack

Gayle in MD
10-13-2009, 10:08 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kerbouchard</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just quiet down and lick your wounds over all your poor voting desions, the world agrees with us, not you righties. Even THAT is enough for any of you to admit that Bush was a failure, who ruined our economy, and borrowed us into this emergency situation, which required the bailouts and stimulous.
</div></div>

The world is going down the tubes and most countries only barely keep their citizens alive through the charity of the United States.

The fact that a bunch of Socialist, appeasing, third world countries who live off the fruits of the United States agree with our new self-degrading agenda does speak volumes about the direction our country is heading.

But not in a good way. </div></div>

The recession is over.

The GDP is going up.

Only 25% of the stimulus has been spent.

Obama has stablized the banks and credit markets, and diverted
Bush's Depression.

The first hurdle in addreessing our health care crisis was jumped, today, and now the bill has been passed out of the finance committee, and will go on to more reform and melding with the bill out of the congress, and other commitees, and a good chance for the public option.

the insurance industry shot themselves in the foot, and hence, more Americans can now see that their intentions are to continue to gouge the American public, which will bring more people to the table to compromise.

The world once again respects our country, and our President.

Six players, and the president of the players union, have spoken out against Rush Limbaugh being involved in owning a football club.

Obama's policies have removed qauite a number of the worst Taliban operatives.

Our president has been undergoing very important research, in order to fine tune our policies in the Middle east, and hence, no more from the gut, cowboy styled foreign policies.

Our President has inspired people all over the world to believe in America once again, and has just won the Nobel Peac Prize.

Our Secretary Of State, and Secretary Of Defense, are actually good friends, who enjor close consultation, and probably that is a first.

RW lies are being exposed at a far faster rate than I can recall, for quite some time.

Jobs are expected to begin to show signs of improvement during the next year as we now begin to infuse more of the original stimulus into the economy for jobs.

Housing is showing signs of improvement.

Efforts are now going forth to reform our financial institutions.

More hungry children are being fed since Democratics banished Bush's policy of "Food challenged" and expanded S-chip.


So far Dick Cheney hasn't managed to bomb Iran, and the birther woman was just fined thousands of dollars.

Looks to me like everything is coming up roses, Eyore.

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Kerbouchard
10-14-2009, 05:59 AM
You still make me want to vomit, but lets enter pretend world for a second and actually take your remarks at face value.

If he has turned the economy around, and the recession truly is over, AND only 25% of the stimulus money has been spent, why did we need the other 75% in the first place? Since the crisis is over, should we cut the other 75% since it is unnecessary?

sack316
10-14-2009, 06:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The recession is over.</div></div>

Ehhh, by some definition perhaps, we are far from being out of the woods

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The GDP is going up.</div></div>

GDP= C+I+E+G (consumer spending plus investments by industry plus excess of exports over imports plus government spending). Which factor do you think contributed most to this in this instance, and which are still lagging behind?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Only 25% of the stimulus has been spent.</div></div>

True

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama has stablized the banks and credit markets, and diverted Bush's Depression.</div></div>

not so sure about that one yet. My own bank just went under weeks ago, as are others.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The first hurdle in addreessing our health care crisis was jumped, today, and now the bill has been passed out of the finance committee, and will go on to more reform and melding with the bill out of the congress, and other commitees, and a good chance for the public option.</div></div>

The bill, as it is now, IMHO will be nothing like the bill will be in the final stages. This was a procedural victory and a way to move to the next step.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the insurance industry shot themselves in the foot, and hence, more Americans can now see that their intentions are to continue to gouge the American public, which will bring more people to the table to compromise.</div></div>

I agree, actually

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The world once again respects our country, and our President.</div></div>

Agreed

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Six players, and the president of the players union, have spoken out against Rush Limbaugh being involved in owning a football club.</div></div>

I don't know much about this, but from what I do understand, part of the problem cited is "racial insensitivity". Jay Z, and other rappers who have been known to spew the occasional insensitive racial remark own part of sports franchises.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama's policies have removed qauite a number of the worst Taliban operatives.</div></div>

Agreed. And I hope he will take advisement on the number of troops needed in Afghanistan and continue to make that mission a success.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Our president has been undergoing very important research, in order to fine tune our policies in the Middle east, and hence, no more from the gut, cowboy styled foreign policies.</div></div>

I hope it works out. But given the longstanding history of behavior in certain parts of this region, I hope he is not afraid to "cowboy up" (so to speak) if need be should better diplomacy fail.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Our President has inspired people all over the world to believe in America once again, and has just won the Nobel Peac Prize.</div></div>

I for one, am proud of him for this. While I do not understand what accomplishments were made to earn this at the time the decision was made, I am still proud for him. Just as I am for our dual winners in economics.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Our Secretary Of State, and Secretary Of Defense, are actually good friends, who enjor close consultation, and probably that is a first.</div></div>

That's an awesome thing

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RW lies are being exposed at a far faster rate than I can recall, for quite some time.</div></div>

Some would contend it goes both ways right now. What I think is good, from either side of the belief spectrum, is that people are, for the most part, questioning things rather than blindly accepting what we are told. Questions are a good thing.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jobs are expected to begin to show signs of improvement during the next year as we now begin to infuse more of the original stimulus into the economy for jobs.</div></div>

And they were never expected to rise above 8% unemployment with the stimulus in the first place. I hope the expectation is correct this time around... for if it continues to hover around the 10% mark for too long, I believe we'll unfortunately see our current "recovery" as superficial.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Housing is showing signs of improvement.</div></div>

Yep, good sign.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Looks to me like everything is coming up roses, Eyore.
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Sack

Gayle in MD
10-14-2009, 08:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The recession is over.</div></div>

Ehhh, by some definition perhaps, we are far from being out of the woods


<span style='font-size: 11pt'> By the traditional definitions, according to economists. I never said we were all the way out. We are no longer on the brink of collapse, hence, there are undeniable improvements, which have come about through our current President's efforts.</span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The GDP is going up.</div></div>



GDP= C+I+E+G (consumer spending plus investments by industry plus excess of exports over imports plus government spending). Which factor do you think contributed most to this in this instance, and which are still lagging behind?

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Is this a quiz? Suffice it to say, that as more of the stimulus is used to enhance investments, re-build our infrastructure, (Jobs, industry investments, and exports) provide for more trust the market investments, through tighter legislation to provide more daylight on leverage, without inhibiting action, without hidden risks, which is exactly where Barny Frank is heading, everything will continue to improve. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Only 25% of the stimulus has been spent.</div></div>

True

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama has stablized the banks and credit markets, and diverted Bush's Depression.</div></div>

not so sure about that one yet. My own bank just went under weeks ago, as are others.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>We are no longer on the brink of the worst depression in history. You can't deny that Bush's Depession has been escaped, during the Obama Administration.

Things are far more stable than they were last january. We could be in the midst of Bush's depression right now. That represents undeniable improvement, and more economic stability.

What other banks? </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The first hurdle in addreessing our health care crisis was jumped, today, and now the bill has been passed out of the finance committee, and will go on to more reform and melding with the bill out of the congress, and other commitees, and a good chance for the public option.</div></div>

The bill, as it is now, IMHO will be nothing like the bill will be in the final stages. This was a procedural victory and a way to move to the next step.


<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Yeah, what I said. </span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the insurance industry shot themselves in the foot, and hence, more Americans can now see that their intentions are to continue to gouge the American public, which will bring more people to the table to compromise.</div></div>

I agree, actually

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The world once again respects our country, and our President.</div></div>

Agreed

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Six players, and the president of the players union, have spoken out against Rush Limbaugh being involved in owning a football club.</div></div>

I don't know much about this, but from what I do understand, part of the problem cited is "racial insensitivity". Jay Z, and other rappers who have been known to spew the occasional insensitive racial remark own part of sports franchises.
<span style='font-size: 11pt'> As far as I know they haven't lined up with the Taliban, and against our president, stating that they hope he fails in pulling our country out of the pit we were left to deal with, or singing offensive songs on the air about the president, "Barach The Magic Negro" as Limbaugh has done.

When we are fighting in a war, and someone says that they are siding with our enemy, what do you call that? No one from the left, did that during the Bush Administration...

So I don't see the accuracy of your comparison...although I hate rap music, and find it offensive for other reasons, not involved with our national security, or efforts to extract our troops from the Middle East, through being able to suppress radical elements, and their power in the region.

Limbaugh's statements, are as unamerican as it gets, IMO. He has tried every trick in the book to delegitimize the POTUS. He'a a national disgrace, IMO.</span>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama's policies have removed qauite a number of the worst Taliban operatives.</div></div>

Agreed. And I hope he will take advisement on the number of troops needed in Afghanistan and continue to make that mission a success.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>As we should all know by now, he is a listener, not just a "Decider" and if the press had aired McChrystal's entire statement, instead of just cherry picking what they could expand into some sort of attack on Obama, you wouldn't have to be wondering about that. Even McCrystal knows that this was the appropriate time to re-think our policy, incluidng the number of troops, as he stated, and no one reported it. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Our president has been undergoing very important research, in order to fine tune our policies in the Middle east, and hence, no more from the gut, cowboy styled foreign policies.</div></div>

I hope it works out. But given the longstanding history of behavior in certain parts of this region, I hope he is not afraid to "cowboy up" (so to speak) if need be should better diplomacy fail.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Well, lets just say the it won't look like a bull in a China Shop like it did before, and without any attempt to predict accurately, the results of what we do, and how we do it, without bothering to take the time to fully assess the situation.</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Our President has inspired people all over the world to believe in America once again, and has just won the Nobel Peac Prize.</div></div>

I for one, am proud of him for this. While I do not understand what accomplishments were made to earn this at the time the decision was made, I am still proud for him. Just as I am for our dual winners in economics.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>I don't think I could be as proud as I am, if I didn't understand what his accomplishments have been. I think if you could recall the hundreds of thousands of people around the world, cheering for our new President, instead of signs that read "Death to America" for example, most people would see that as obama being a inspirational leader in our world, and someone who touched the masses with his words. A huge advantage for anyone who is trying to make changes for the betterment of all the people in the world.

Also, the words of the founder, fit exactly what I am saying, incluidng his stated effors to reduce the nuclear threat, by using more diplomacy, and less bombs and warfare. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Our Secretary Of State, and Secretary Of Defense, are actually good friends, who enjoy close consultation, and probably that is a first.</div></div>

That's an awesome thing

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RW lies are being exposed at a far faster rate than I can recall, for quite some time.</div></div>

Some would contend it goes both ways right now. What I think is good, from either side of the belief spectrum, is that people are, for the most part, questioning things rather than blindly accepting what we are told. Questions are a good thing.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>I quite agree, and think that we wouldn't be in the mess we're in right now if the last administration hadn't managed to propagandize the act of asking questions, and exposing lies, as being on the side of the terrorists, and attacking people for doing it, as they, and as the RW Radical nuts on this forum, and in the media, also did, non stop. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jobs are expected to begin to show signs of improvement during the next year as we now begin to infuse more of the original stimulus into the economy for jobs.</div></div>

And they were never expected to rise above 8% unemployment with the stimulus in the first place.
<span style='font-size: 11pt'>yes, we have a president who has taken the time to research in advance of implementing the programs which will increase job numbers, but, there were many predictions of higher job losses. The 8% obviously was their goal. It wasn't some scam about which they intentionally lied. </span>

I hope the expectation is correct this time around... for if it continues to hover around the 10% mark for too long, I believe we'll unfortunately see our current "recovery" as superficial.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>
Oh, so you do admit we are enjoying a recovery? I don't think the actions and efforts, nor the amount of study which preceeds them, by this president and administration, would lead most people to think that anything superficial will result in their efforts to turn this country around, but you're welcome to your doubts, and to some degree, we are all still concerned as to how soon our country will be back to normal. Although, I do recall, that after the Bush Recession, near recession, man predicted that our country would NEVER be the same again.

None of us has a chrystal ball, obviously, but some of us are glad to see signs of improvment.

</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Housing is showing signs of improvement.</div></div>

Yep, good sign.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Looks to me like everything is coming up roses, Eyore.
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Sack </div></div>


<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Which one, Eyore? Or my "coming up roses" joke?

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Deeman3
10-14-2009, 08:13 AM
Guys did you see the picture of Eyore when he had hanged himself? I think it was on Jon Stweart's show but it could have been Letterman.

I hope all gayle says is true and we see a recovery, an advancement in the war and Eyore resurrected.

Gayle in MD
10-14-2009, 08:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys did you see the picture of Eyore when he had hanged himself? I think it was on Jon Stweart's show but it could have been Letterman.

I hope all gayle says is true and we see a recovery, an advancement in the war and Eyore resurrected. </div></div>

That must have been a riot! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Hey, BTW, did you see that video of all those people in that bar shooting the place up?

Nobody got hit!

LAMO! I have to say, that was the first time in my life I ever laughed at violence. Too funny, all those guns, and nobody could hit a target!

I just hope those good Christians with their weapons strapped to their legs, have as poor shooting ability as those guys in that bar!

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Deeman3
10-14-2009, 09:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys did you see the picture of Eyore when he had hanged himself? I think it was on Jon Stweart's show but it could have been Letterman.

I hope all gayle says is true and we see a recovery, an advancement in the war and Eyore resurrected. </div></div>

That must have been a riot! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Hey, BTW, did you see that video of all those people in that bar shooting the place up?

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Yes, it was over the owner not wanting dope sold out of his place, can you imagine that? </span>

Nobody got hit!

LAMO! I have to say, that was the first time in my life I ever laughed at violence. Too funny, all those guns, and nobody could hit a target!

<span style="color: #FF0000"> I think it is the way the gangs try to turn the guns sideways to look cool. You see this all the time with felons shooting it out with cops and not often hitting anything. I don't think they get to practice much.</span>

I just hope those good Christians with their weapons strapped to their legs, have as poor shooting ability as those guys in that bar!

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<span style="color: #FF0000">Don't bet on it. We had an 81 year old last night in the news. A criminal broke into his home south of here and the old man shot him in the head with only one shot. I am not sure if the old guy is a Christian but he is cerainly not a gang member and probably did not benefit by the training to hold his gun sideways. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif My guess is he got his training hitting rabbits or snakes.

I, too, agree that carrying guns to public events is not a good idea, and if you have a conceiled permit, conceil it! Of course, I don't think anyone should ever carry a gun to an event where the President is speaking. Most won't, of course. My concern is the ones who the law means nothing to anyway. Left or right, these are the main threats to our peace and the safety of the President.

I did hear that the Gay march has a bunch of people "strapped on" but I apparently misunderstood the term. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span> </div></div>

Gayle in MD
10-14-2009, 09:29 AM
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Now, that is funny, I have to admit!

sack316
10-14-2009, 06:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style='font-size: 11pt'> By the traditional definitions, according to economists. I never said we were all the way out. We are no longer on the brink of collapse, hence, there are undeniable improvements, which have come about through our current President's efforts.</span> </div></div>

There are improvements, yes. They should and are being applauded... but nobody should breathe a sigh of relief yet either is all I'm saying. it will still take a massive amount of effort and "good things" to turn recovery into a past tense recovered... and only very little to turn it into disaster again.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Is this a quiz? Suffice it to say, that as more of the stimulus is used to enhance investments, re-build our infrastructure, (Jobs, industry investments, and exports) provide for more trust the market investments, through tighter legislation to provide more daylight on leverage, without inhibiting action, without hidden risks, which is exactly where Barny Frank is heading, everything will continue to improve. </span> </div></div>

Yeah, guess it is kind of a quiz. "GDP is going up" is a true statement. Why is another question... and may or may not be a good thing. Are business investments up? no. Is consumer spending up? No. Does exporting/importing provide a positive? I'm not 100% certain on this, but I'd venture to guess no. Government spending up? AND HOW! So while it is true GDP is moving positively, one needs to look closer to what it is that increases it. A bad, but appropriate analogy would be insurance companies or any other "evil" entity. Profits up? That's a good thing! When one asks why... and tale of the tape reads differently.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
[b] [size:11pt]We are no longer on the brink of the worst depression in history. You can't deny that Bush's Depession has been escaped, during the Obama Administration.</div></div>

Nope, not on the brink. The band aid has been placed, and crisis has been pushed back a bit. But look into the way this is happening (whether it is necessary or not is irrelevant in this instance, fodder for another debate), but the manner in which we do it could well lead to greater disaster down the road. Ask Zimbabwe how hyper-inflation works out. We could, at the rate we are moving now, become a smaller example of that.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What other banks? </div></div>

Too many to list. Suffice to say that last week was the FIRST week in THREE months that not a single bank collapsed in the US. Bair of the FDIC just yesterday said bank failures are going to continue at a "fairly strong rate".

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, what I said. </div></div>

So procedural victories are celebrated now? A defense lawyer getting a defendant off on a technicality is also a procedural victory.

Putting a bill through a panel, that is by no means intended to be the bill used at the next level--- which would not have likely passed original panel... is manipulation. Perhaps for the greater good, that's not for me to say. I suppose that's just the system though... and am sure that's the way it has always been done. So no reason why it should be any different now, so I suppose my point is admittedly moot here.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As far as I know they haven't lined up with the Taliban, and against our president, stating that they hope he fails in pulling our country out of the pit we were left to deal with, or singing offensive songs on the air about the president, "Barach The Magic Negro" as Limbaugh has done.

When we are fighting in a war, and someone says that they are siding with our enemy, what do you call that? No one from the left, did that during the Bush Administration...

So I don't see the accuracy of your comparison...although I hate rap music, and find it offensive for other reasons, not involved with our national security, or efforts to extract our troops from the Middle East, through being able to suppress radical elements, and their power in the region.

Limbaugh's statements, are as unamerican as it gets, IMO. He has tried every trick in the book to delegitimize the POTUS. He'a a national disgrace, IMO.</div></div>

I don't like Limbaugh either. But see no reason why he should be precluded from being part owner of a team in a league that is full of criminals already anyway. If the TEAM chooses not to sell to him, that's one thing. Outside of that, I disagree with the outside involvement. Maybe Michael Moore should have his wealth taken away that he earned through capitalism, since he is against capitalism.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As we should all know by now, he is a listener, not just a "Decider" and if the press had aired McChrystal's entire statement, instead of just cherry picking what they could expand into some sort of attack on Obama, you wouldn't have to be wondering about that. Even McCrystal knows that this was the appropriate time to re-think our policy, incluidng the number of troops, as he stated, and no one reported it. </div></div>

I thought the option, from the genral, was either bulk up or lose?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, lets just say the it won't look like a bull in a China Shop like it did before, and without any attempt to predict accurately, the results of what we do, and how we do it, without bothering to take the time to fully assess the situation.</div></div>

If only that principle were practiced in all affairs.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't think I could be as proud as I am, if I didn't understand what his accomplishments have been. I think if you could recall the hundreds of thousands of people around the world, cheering for our new President, instead of signs that read "Death to America" for example, most people would see that as obama being a inspirational leader in our world, and someone who touched the masses with his words. A huge advantage for anyone who is trying to make changes for the betterment of all the people in the world.

Also, the words of the founder, fit exactly what I am saying, incluidng his stated effors to reduce the nuclear threat, by using more diplomacy, and less bombs and warfare. </div></div>

Good. Give him a very well earned nobel prize in rhetoric and best laid plans.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes, we have a president who has taken the time to research in advance of implementing the programs which will increase job numbers, but, there were many predictions of higher job losses. The 8% obviously was their goal. It wasn't some scam about which they intentionally lied. </div></div>

But THEIR predictions, through that great research and planning you mentioned earlier, were not even this bad without the stimulus.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Which one, Eyore? Or my "coming up roses" joke?

Always happy to make anyone smile. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

The Eyore thing... just tickled me. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif I love that little guy.

Sack

Gayle in MD
10-14-2009, 07:18 PM
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There are improvements, yes. They should and are being applauded... but nobody should breathe a sigh of relief yet either is all I'm saying. it will still take a massive amount of effort and "good things" to turn recovery into a past tense recovered... and only very little to turn it into disaster again.
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<span style="color: #000066">I agree. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, guess it is kind of a quiz. "GDP is going up" is a true statement. Why is another question... and may or may not be a good thing. Are business investments up? no. Is consumer spending up? No. Does exporting/importing provide a positive? I'm not 100% certain on this, but I'd venture to guess no. Government spending up? AND HOW! So while it is true GDP is moving positively, one needs to look closer to what it is that increases it. A bad, but appropriate analogy would be insurance companies or any other "evil" entity. Profits up? That's a good thing! When one asks why... and tale of the tape reads differently.

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<span style="color: #000066">All very true.</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Nope, not on the brink. The band aid has been placed, and crisis has been pushed back a bit. But look into the way this is happening (whether it is necessary or not is irrelevant in this instance, fodder for another debate), but the manner in which we do it could well lead to greater disaster down the road. Ask Zimbabwe how hyper-inflation works out. We could, at the rate we are moving now, become a smaller example of that.
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<span style="color: #000066">As in all things, anything is possible, but we will be going forward with far more focus, consistant oversight, and some very well qualified people watching for the iceburg.

We are in unchartered waters, since the global market, and the internet, both having had huge impact on finances, and in many ways.

We still have many good things going for us, natural resources(Steel, for example) and some of the top universities in the world. When the solid turn around comes, we'll have as good a shot as any other country, particularly if we address renewable energy with determination, scientific solutions for a range of problems, technological advances, etc., and become as inventive as we have always been in the past. Education is a very important part of that link. It has been defunded for a while, and that has not been good. I have all the faith in the world, in America.</span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif


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So procedural victories are celebrated now?


<span style="color: #000066">Well,, Sack, this is the first time any health care reform bill has ever gotten out of the Senate finance committee, so yeah, I'd say that's cause for some selebration, given how many times our country has tried to reform health care, president's from both parties, BTW. </span>




A defense lawyer getting a defendant off on a technicality is also a procedural victory.

<span style="color: #000066">Not a good comparison, sorry. </span>

Putting a bill through a panel, that is by no means intended to be the bill used at the next level--- which would not have likely passed original panel... is manipulation. Perhaps for the greater good, that's not for me to say. I suppose that's just the system though... and am sure that's the way it has always been done. So no reason why it should be any different now, so I suppose my point is admittedly moot here.

<span style="color: #000066">OK, I'll agree with you on that. </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

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I don't like Limbaugh either. But see no reason why he should be precluded from being part owner of a team in a league that is full of criminals already anyway. If the TEAM chooses not to sell to him, that's one thing. Outside of that, I disagree with the outside involvement. Maybe Michael Moore should have his wealth taken away that he earned through capitalism, since he is against capitalism.
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<span style="color: #000066">Well, I don't think one can compare the two, because Michael Moore does not spew hatred, and hasn't made the offensive satements that rush has made, but in this case, the players, and their overall organization, have protested, and I can understand why. this is probably not something we could agree on, but Limbaugh's statements have gone way too far, particularly when he said he wanted the president to fail, and was on the side of the Taliban in that wish. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything that blatantly offensive. I find him extremely offensive overall, and think that given he wanted to buy a sports team, those players didn't want to be associated with him, any more than the association did, and I can understand why.

As I understand it, the investment group has dropped Limbaugh, and are going forward without him.

Good decision, IMO.</span>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought the option, from the genral, was either bulk up or lose?

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<span style="color: #000066">I think if you heard his entire statement, you, like I, would find a quite different mood to his overall thrust. He really wasn't giving the President any option, at all, as it has been promoted by the media. His words protrayed full agreement with rethinking our policies, and the importance of taking one's time (Obama) to do so. I'll try to find it, but originally he made me mad, until I found the whole statement, which chnaged the flavor of it entirely.

If the policy changes, everything would change, including the number of troops required. changing over to training, from combat, also a different scenario.</span>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good. Give him a very well earned nobel prize in rhetoric and best laid plans.
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<span style="color: #000066">Again, I can't agree with that assessment, at all. He had had an amazing impact around the world, as has been reflected in the approval numbers. The right can pooh pooh the value of that phenomenon, but the vast changes in approval of Obama, compared to pre-Obama, and the good will which he has inspired, cannot be denied.

One would have to be pretty sour to minimize the impact he has had, and, IMO, to pooh pooh it's value. As Martha would say, "It's a good thing." </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif


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But THEIR predictions, through that great research and planning you mentioned earlier, were not even this bad without the stimulus.
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<span style="color: #000066">Well Sack, what can I tell ya. We had the best minds in the country making those predictions. Granted, they fell short of reality, but as I said, they didn't have a chrystal ball, they did the best they could.

What I have been told is that Obama refused to just throw out all the stimulus money, until specific targets were ready for it. I don't suppose it was possible to arrange for immediate information from the necessary studies required, deciding how the money could best be spent, and where they would bring about the greatest number of jobs. There was, so I hear, a need to reserve, just in case, also.

I do think, in the long run, that hesitance will prove to have been the right move, even if the good results, improvement in the numbers of jobs, for example, have lagged. I think it's better to be safe than sorry. When too much money is spread around to quickly, it tends to vanish.

I love Eyore too, poor little Eyore, just always wanted to give him a big hug.</span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif