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Gayle in MD
10-13-2009, 01:52 PM
Not crazy about this bill, but it's a start, and a good move toward single payer.

The bill will change a good bit as it goes through preps for the Senate...

Bravo, we Will get our health care emergency addressed, just as I predicted, a bi-partisan vote.

Good day for President Obama, and the Democratics.

Gayle in Md.

Deeman3
10-13-2009, 02:11 PM
Congratulations. I don't oppose HCR and it may be acceptable in this form it it does not contain the public option. Maybe I misunderstadn the legislative process, but if the senate passes the bill then a version comes out of congress without the option, are you saying a consolidated bill can contain the public option?

It would seem, if the legislators in both houses voted for bills without the public option, the chances of a public option being added would destroy any chance of the bill passing, or am I wrong?

If you would just answer the question and not bring up Bush and the Iraq war, we might be able to discuss this. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Gayle in MD
10-13-2009, 02:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Congratulations. I don't oppose HCR and it may be acceptable in this form it it does not contain the public option. Maybe I misunderstadn the legislative process, but if the senate passes the bill then a version comes out of congress without the option, are you saying a consolidated bill can contain the public option?

It would seem, if the legislators in both houses voted for bills without the public option, the chances of a public option being added would destroy any chance of the bill passing, or am I wrong?

If you would just answer the question and not bring up Bush and the Iraq war, we might be able to discuss this. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>


The Bill will be under review before it goes to the Senate. Other options will be considered, and probably included in the Bill.

This vote indicates, more than anything else, that in fact, Republicans are on board to reform.

The Bill that finally goes to the Senate will be quite different from the Baucus Bill.

Gayle in Md.

LWW
10-13-2009, 02:33 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not crazy about this bill, but it's a start, and a good move toward single payer.

The bill will change a good bit as it goes through preps for the Senate...

Bravo, we Will get our health care emergency addressed, just as I predicted, a bi-partisan vote.

Good day for President Obama, and the Democratics.

Gayle in Md. </div></div>

Can you provide a link to what bill it is that you think has been approved?

What's that?

It didn't actually pass?

I already knew that.

LWW

wolfdancer
10-13-2009, 03:14 PM
Is this the end of civilization, as we know it....doomsday for the free economy?
I'm sure that the bill leaves a lot to be desired (I'm still wondering how they ever got Medicare/medicaid passed?)
....hopefully now, more Americans will be able to afford vital health care...especially for their innocent children. (yeah, I know....they had no right to have kids if they couldn't afford health care)

cushioncrawler
10-13-2009, 07:43 PM
Woofly -- I keep seeing a big lie (by the GOP etc) in all this stuff. But no one else sees it. Just me it appears.
The lie iz by inference -- by omission if u like.
It wont be the end of the usofa if Obama's healthcare goze wrong, ie duznt work proper.
If it proovs to be sour, then u could simply change it, or u could simply go back to square one.
The lie iz that HC reform aint worth trying.
The lie iz that usofa karnt afford to even try.
Seems that u guys karnt see this, karnt see the main lie.
madMac.

wolfdancer
10-13-2009, 07:52 PM
Good article....it's still hard to believe that some Americans are both applauding his loss of the Olympic bid, and knocking his win of the Nobel Peace Prize.

pooltchr
10-13-2009, 08:45 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[
This vote indicates, more than anything else, that in fact, Republicans are on board to reform.


Gayle in Md.
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Some of us have been trying to get you to understand this concept for quite some time, but your hatred of all Republicans prevented you from admitting it. We agree reform is necessary. We don't agree that a government takeover is the way to do it.

I guess that kinda shoots down your theory that all the Reps want to do is block everything the Dems try to do.

Steve

wolfdancer
10-13-2009, 09:10 PM
unreal....you mention that it was a bi-partisan vote that passed it, and somehow get slammed for that....it's like "damned if you do, damned if you don't"
It proves to me, there can never be any accord here, with "certain people".......but, I guess when you are that much of a "super-intellectual"....it must be hard not to show your disdain for mere mortals,especially those who fail to recognize your amazing insight on all things /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

Gayle in MD
10-13-2009, 09:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good article....it's still hard to believe that some Americans are both applauding his loss of the Olympic bid, and knocking his win of the Nobel Peace Prize. </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066"> LOL, and there are still birthers around, and lies about death panels.

Let's face it, that nutty 28% is beyond any kind of reform or progressive thinking about anything at all. They are nothing but push botton automatons, too stupid to even understand the motives of those who are pulling their strings.

August was a good example of how they manage to slow the process of addressing and solving our critical problems, but thankfully, they are a small minority, and once all their lies were exposed, over and over again, they stood naked in their own ridiculous absurdity, right along with the birthers, the indoctrinationists, and the "Valarie was just a secretary" nuts. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Republicans are like that. Democratics gave them,... keep getting this figure wrong, but I think it was like over 180 of their amendments, and they turned right around and voted in a block, NO!

They kept pretending they were for reform, but in fact, their words and actions said otherwise.

History shows that they have been blocking this moral issue of health care for all, for decades.

The only thing that is real, is what one does.

They finally realized that the vast majority of Americans want not only health care reform, but they also want a public option. Once the lies and fear mongering of the right is stripped away, a process that must be repeated, often, (this time partly due to the multi millions that HCII is willig to spend to keep their gougeing scam going) even the Republicans have to come around to some sort of reasonable bi-partisanship, or risk being seen for what they actually are, blowhard demogogues.

There is no real value in being the party of no, when critical problems are facing our country. They still do not really want reform, but as I predicted, Democratics always have to drag them kicking and screaming into the future, since they are always glued to the status quo.

G.</span>

Gayle in MD
10-13-2009, 11:04 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Woofly -- I keep seeing a big lie (by the GOP etc) in all this stuff. But no one else sees it. Just me it appears.
The lie iz by inference -- by omission if u like.
It wont be the end of the usofa if Obama's healthcare goze wrong, ie duznt work proper.
If it proovs to be sour, then u could simply change it, or u could simply go back to square one.
The lie iz that HC reform aint worth trying.
The lie iz that usofa karnt afford to even try.
Seems that u guys karnt see this, karnt see the main lie.
madMac. </div></div>

Actually Mac, we can't afford to not r3eform health care.

Given that 625 of our citizens who went bankrupt, site health costs as the reason.

Given that our system is not really about health care, but about health care for profit.

Given that the insurance industry is corrupt, and they drop people in order to make more money.

given that they are so corrupt, that they actually refused to insure a four month old baby, and called his baby fat, a pre-existing condition.

Given that health Insurance cost has doubled since 2001 and is predicted to double again, in less than a decade. that amounts to a middle class family that makes around $50,000.00 a years, and that now pays $12,ooo.oo a year for health insurance, will be paying $24,000.00 a year in less than a decade. Add to that that their wages have been stagnant for eight plus years...typical of what usually happens after a Republican Administration.

And given that our elderly cannot be thrown out on the street, because insurance companies won't insure them, since most all of them have pre-existing conditions, and Medicare does not cover everything, one can easily see what that will lead to in terms of their health requirements.

Medicare and Medicaid will each save money after the reforms. We really cannot afford to address the rapidly growing health care crisis.

G.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/MedicareFactSheetFinal/

Qtec
10-14-2009, 04:57 AM
Its a sell out and I don't think it will pass.

Just recently,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">UPDATE: Rocky Mountain Health Plans has now said it will cover Alex Lange, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>a baby they previously refused to give health insurance because of his weight.</span>

"A recent situation in which <span style='font-size: 20pt'>we denied coverage to a heavy, yet healthy, infant </span>brought to our
attention a flaw in our underwriting system for approving infants," says Steve ErkenBrack, president and CEO, Rocky Mountain Health Plans. "Because we are a small company dedicated to the people of Colorado, we are pleased to be in a position to act quickly. We have changed our policy, corrected our underwriting guidelines and are working to notify the parents of the infant who we earlier denied."


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/12/alex-lange-denied-health_n_317337.html </div></div>


Now they are refusing coverage on babies!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does anyone need any more proof that the industry makes its profit in denying HC ?

More than 2 years ago the HC insurance industry got together and decided collectively on a plan to stop HC reform. Catchwords [ they call them buzzwords ], like ' Govt Takeover' ,'socialised medicine' etc were all created by them and their countless lobbying firms, fed to the press and repeated continuously on Fox.

Here is a prediction........the Tea Bag Movement will disappear into nothing if this bill its passed in its present form.

Q

LWW
10-14-2009, 05:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">unreal....you mention that it was a bi-partisan vote that passed it, and somehow get slammed for that....it's like "damned if you do, damned if you don't"
It proves to me, there can never be any accord here, with "certain people".......but, I guess when you are that much of a "super-intellectual"....it must be hard not to show your disdain for mere mortals,especially those who fail to recognize your amazing insight on all things /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif
</div></div>

No.

She gets slammed for being either dishonest or ignorant of the difference between a bill getting out of committee and a bill being passed.

LWW

Gayle in MD
10-14-2009, 08:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its a sell out and I don't think it will pass.

Just recently,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">UPDATE: Rocky Mountain Health Plans has now said it will cover Alex Lange, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>a baby they previously refused to give health insurance because of his weight.</span>

"A recent situation in which <span style='font-size: 20pt'>we denied coverage to a heavy, yet healthy, infant </span>brought to our
attention a flaw in our underwriting system for approving infants," says Steve ErkenBrack, president and CEO, Rocky Mountain Health Plans. "Because we are a small company dedicated to the people of Colorado, we are pleased to be in a position to act quickly. We have changed our policy, corrected our underwriting guidelines and are working to notify the parents of the infant who we earlier denied."


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/12/alex-lange-denied-health_n_317337.html </div></div>


Now they are refusing coverage on babies!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does anyone need any more proof that the industry makes its profit in denying HC ?

More than 2 years ago the HC insurance industry got together and decided collectively on a plan to stop HC reform. Catchwords [ they call them buzzwords ], like ' Govt Takeover' ,'socialised medicine' etc were all created by them and their countless lobbying firms, fed to the press and repeated continuously on Fox.

Here is a prediction........the Tea Bag Movement will disappear into nothing if this bill its passed in its present form.

Q </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Here is a prediction........the Tea Bag Movement will disappear into nothing if this bill its passed in its present form.
</div></div>

LMAO! You are so right. The health insurance industry won't be paying them to demonstrate their radicalism.

I am hoping that Democratics will manage atleast an emergency style public option. Given the 62% of bankruptsey, realted to health costs, figure, I don't really see how the Republicans can justify voting in a block against it, but I don't put anything past Republicans, that's for sure.

This Bill is a long way from complete. If Obama just focuses on the Democratic crooks, fewer of them, who are in the pockets of the insurance industry, (and the figures back me up on that) then we do have a shot at some sort of Universal Health Care.

IMO, the efforts for bi-partisanship on this bill are a waste of time.

Regardless, since the insurance indsutry has already promised to drive up costs in the face of Congress removing their ability to gouge, refuse and/or deny coverage, we have the best shot, politically, to enforce some protection for consumres, and given their promise to continue to be greedy sob's, we will have some pretty good buzz words of our own. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

I have the very best anyone in my country can have. My state, does not have the same severe problems with people getting dropped, as other states have. However, that could change, without more legislative protection for the consumer.

If we can pass legislation which prohibits those sorts of consumer abuse and exploitation, prevent them from passing off their losses to all of us, and manage to enforce up-dated improvments which are cost saving, and provide better care, which some Clinics, like the Mayo clinic, are already doing, I think we would still need some kind of public option in order to contain the all out abuse which they would likely continue, just as they have promised.

This seems to be the main issue which the right does not get. Anyone and everyone, is at risk of being bankrupted due to medical costs, if they are dependent on the private medical insurance industry for coverage, and there is no where else to turn.

As usual, they defend the very people who are either gouging them, or have the capacity and/or intention to gouge them and everyone. To actually ruin families, and destroy everything that people have worked for, hard working people, just like these nay sayers from the right. They ignore the overall negatives that impact our overall economic situation, due to these insurance practices, including the future threats to our economy, which are real, and cling instead, to their usual out dated, twisted ideological Free Market BS, same thing that led to the crash.

They are always under the mistaken assumption that they are above it all, somehow smarter than those who get ruined because they simply become ill. They think they are too smart to be impacted by coroporate crooks, regardless if it is a rise in the cancer rate from their pollution of our air and water and food, or the loss of their investments, due to corruption in the financial industry....

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif
G.

eg8r
10-14-2009, 11:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now they are refusing coverage on babies!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does anyone need any more proof that the industry makes its profit in denying HC ?</div></div>Wow, your comprehension is as poor as it gets. You ask this question immediately after quoting puffy ho stating the insurance company made a mistake and is going to cover the infant.

eg8r

eg8r
10-14-2009, 11:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IMO, the efforts for bi-partisanship on this bill are a waste of time.</div></div>The only time you have ever called for bi-partisanship is when the lefties were outnumbered. Now that you feel you have the numbers to do what you want you don't care about bi-partisanship anymore.

eg8r

LWW
10-14-2009, 01:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IMO, the efforts for bi-partisanship on this bill are a waste of time.</div></div>The only time you have ever called for bi-partisanship is when the lefties were outnumbered. Now that you feel you have the numbers to do what you want you don't care about bi-partisanship anymore.

eg8r </div></div>

Whoodathunkit?

LWW

pooltchr
10-15-2009, 11:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IMO, the efforts for bi-partisanship on this bill are a waste of time.</div></div>The only time you have ever called for bi-partisanship is when the lefties were outnumbered. Now that you feel you have the numbers to do what you want you don't care about bi-partisanship anymore.

eg8r </div></div>

A vote to pass a bill that has all Democrats along with <u>one</u> Republican is hardly what I would consider "bipartisan" support.

Steve

Chopstick
10-15-2009, 01:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Woofly -- I keep seeing a big lie (by the GOP etc) in all this stuff. But no one else sees it. Just me it appears.
The lie iz by inference -- by omission if u like.
It wont be the end of the usofa if Obama's healthcare goze wrong, ie duznt work proper.
If it proovs to be sour, then u could simply change it, or u could simply go back to square one.
The lie iz that HC reform aint worth trying.
The lie iz that usofa karnt afford to even try.
Seems that u guys karnt see this, karnt see the main lie.
madMac. </div></div>

The main lie is that health care can easily be fixed but it would cost the wrong people money. This bill isn't going to fix anything. It's about some more people fleecing the tax payers again.

Sev
10-15-2009, 02:38 PM
No bill has been passed. The legislation is not even written. The concept was passed.

Bipartisanship my @ss. Olympia Snow??? Gee who would have thought??

They have to meld the house bills together. Then the senated bills together. Then the house and senate bills together. Then the entire thing has to be passed by both houses.

To big. To expensive. To much bureaucracy.