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Gayle in MD
10-29-2009, 10:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RNC Tax Attack Goes Too Far
An RNC Web ad claims Democrats would tax ordinary wheelchairs. Not true.
September 29, 2009

Updated: Sept. 30, 2009

Summary
The Republican National Committee claims in a new Web ad that Democratic health care plans propose taxes on "charities and small businesses. A doctorís tax. Taxes on your health insurance. Even a tax on medical supplies."

Itís perfectly true, as the ad says, that "hundreds of billions" in taxes are being proposed Ė spread over 10 years. But the ad exaggerates and misleads in a number of ways:

It makes a downright false claim that ordinary wheelchairs would be among "medical supplies" subject to a proposed tax on manufacturers and importers. Thatís not true: Wheelchairs and roughly half of all other medical devices would be exempt. (When we pointed this out, an RNC official said the ad would be modified, however.)
It features a proposed tax on medical laboratory services that has already been dropped.
The alleged tax on "charities" is actually a proposed limit on federal income tax deductions for charitable gifts by individual taxpayers in the highest brackets, not a tax levied directly on the charities themselves.
Similarly, the "small business" tax also refers to a proposed tax increase on individuals making more than $280,000 a year ($350,000 for families), only some of whom own small businesses. The vast majority of small-business owners donít bring in enough to be affected.
The ad claims "your health insurance costs will skyrocket," but independent experts disagree. The head of the Congressional Budget Office says the biggest tax proposed in the Senate Finance Committee plan, for example, would reduce health care spending, because it cuts a tax incentive that encourages spending.

Analysis
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http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/rnc-tax-attack-goes-too-far/

Bobbyrx
10-29-2009, 02:43 PM
from your link:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> "Hundreds of billions in new taxes"

This part is true enough, with the usual caution that the total is spread over 10 years. The most recent estimate by the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation, for example, has the Senate Finance Committeeís proposal bringing in a net total of $357.7 billion in added revenue over the decade, the lionís share ($205.1 billion) coming from the new tax on high-priced medical insurance. The House Democratsí bill would be more expensive and also would impose more taxes, a 10-year total of $583 billion as originally estimated in July.

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So it's spread over 10 years. So let's change it to "ten's of billions of dollars in new taxes." Sure doesn't sound like "no new taxes"

Deeman3
10-29-2009, 03:02 PM
Is tens of Billions and hundreds of billions, either one, deficet neutral?

pooltchr
10-29-2009, 03:30 PM
These people just want to control everything and everyone!

BTW, did you hear our friend Barney Rubb...er Frank wants to give Obama full control of stimulus money,, so he can take over any business he wants to...without approval from congress???

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Steve

LWW
10-30-2009, 04:39 AM
In essence Gayle's point boils down to the dems and Obama possibly didn't lie as much as they are suspected of having lied.

LWW

Chopstick
10-30-2009, 12:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RNC Tax Attack Goes Too Far
An RNC Web ad claims Democrats would tax ordinary wheelchairs. Not true.
September 29, 2009

Updated: Sept. 30, 2009

Summary
The Republican National Committee claims in a new Web ad that Democratic health care plans propose taxes on "charities and small businesses. A doctorís tax. Taxes on your health insurance. Even a tax on medical supplies."

Itís perfectly true, as the ad says, that "hundreds of billions" in taxes are being proposed Ė spread over 10 years. But the ad exaggerates and misleads in a number of ways:

It makes a downright false claim that ordinary wheelchairs would be among "medical supplies" subject to a proposed tax on manufacturers and importers. Thatís not true: Wheelchairs and roughly half of all other medical devices would be exempt. (When we pointed this out, an RNC official said the ad would be modified, however.)
It features a proposed tax on medical laboratory services that has already been dropped.
The alleged tax on "charities" is actually a proposed limit on federal income tax deductions for charitable gifts by individual taxpayers in the highest brackets, not a tax levied directly on the charities themselves.
Similarly, the "small business" tax also refers to a proposed tax increase on individuals making more than $280,000 a year ($350,000 for families), only some of whom own small businesses. The vast majority of small-business owners donít bring in enough to be affected.
The ad claims "your health insurance costs will skyrocket," but independent experts disagree. The head of the Congressional Budget Office says the biggest tax proposed in the Senate Finance Committee plan, for example, would reduce health care spending, because it cuts a tax incentive that encourages spending.

Analysis
</div></div>

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/rnc-tax-attack-goes-too-far/ </div></div>

<span style="color: #000099">You probably don't realize this but you are quoting a website owned by an "evil rich person".</span>

LWW
10-30-2009, 02:10 PM
You can't blame the parrot for using a bad word.

LWW

Gayle in MD
10-31-2009, 09:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RNC Tax Attack Goes Too Far
An RNC Web ad claims Democrats would tax ordinary wheelchairs. Not true.
September 29, 2009

Updated: Sept. 30, 2009

Summary
The Republican National Committee claims in a new Web ad that Democratic health care plans propose taxes on "charities and small businesses. A doctorís tax. Taxes on your health insurance. Even a tax on medical supplies."

Itís perfectly true, as the ad says, that "hundreds of billions" in taxes are being proposed Ė spread over 10 years. But the ad exaggerates and misleads in a number of ways:

It makes a downright false claim that ordinary wheelchairs would be among "medical supplies" subject to a proposed tax on manufacturers and importers. Thatís not true: Wheelchairs and roughly half of all other medical devices would be exempt. (When we pointed this out, an RNC official said the ad would be modified, however.)
It features a proposed tax on medical laboratory services that has already been dropped.
The alleged tax on "charities" is actually a proposed limit on federal income tax deductions for charitable gifts by individual taxpayers in the highest brackets, not a tax levied directly on the charities themselves.
Similarly, the "small business" tax also refers to a proposed tax increase on individuals making more than $280,000 a year ($350,000 for families), only some of whom own small businesses. The vast majority of small-business owners donít bring in enough to be affected.
The ad claims "your health insurance costs will skyrocket," but independent experts disagree. The head of the Congressional Budget Office says the biggest tax proposed in the Senate Finance Committee plan, for example, would reduce health care spending, because it cuts a tax incentive that encourages spending.

Analysis
</div></div>

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/rnc-tax-attack-goes-too-far/ </div></div>

<span style="color: #000099">You probably don't realize this but you are quoting a website owned by an "evil rich person".</span> </div></div>


<span style="color: #000066">You probably don't realize it but Factcheck.org, is the most reliable fact check organization on the internet, and completely impartial.

G. </span>

Bobbyrx
10-31-2009, 11:19 AM
So Factcheck.org, is the most reliable fact check organization on the internet, and completely impartial. And they agree that there will be billions.....BILLIONS of dollars in new taxes.

"Hundreds of billions in new taxes"
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This part is true enough, with the usual caution that the total is spread over 10 years. The most recent estimate by the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation, for example, has the Senate Finance Committeeís proposal bringing in a net total of $357.7 billion in added revenue over the decade, the lionís share ($205.1 billion) coming from the new tax on high-priced medical insurance. The House Democratsí bill would be more expensive and also would impose more taxes, a 10-year total of $583 billion as originally estimated in July.</div></div>

LWW
10-31-2009, 02:57 PM
When will you learn?

Just because it has been proven that it will create hundreds of billions of dollars in new taxes doesn't mean that it will create hundreds of billions of dollars in new taxes.

LWW