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Gayle in MD
11-02-2009, 10:23 AM
Notice The Republican Policies we've watched with every Republican Administration get totaly out of hand, and the resulting economic disasters, listed in this article.

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It's the Corporate State, Stupid

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

David G. Mills

11/10/04 "ICH" -- The early twentieth century Italians, who invented the word fascism, also had a more descriptive term for the concept -- estato corporativo: the corporatist state. Unfortunately for Americans, we have come to equate fascism with its symptoms, not with its structure. The structure of fascism is corporatism, or the corporate state. The structure of fascism is the union, marriage, merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power. Failing to understand fascism, as the consolidation of corporate economic and governmental power in the hands of a few, is to completely misunderstand what fascism is. It is the consolidation of this power that produces the demagogues and regimes we understand as fascist ones.

While we Americans have been trained to keenly identify the opposite of fascism, i.e., government intrusion into and usurpation of private enterprise, we have not been trained to identify the usurpation of government by private enterprise. Our European cousins, on the other hand, having lived with Fascism in several European countries during the last century, know it when they see it, and looking over here, they are ringing the alarm bells. We need to learn how to recognize Fascism now.

Dr. Lawrence Britt has written an excellent article entitled “The 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism.” An Internet search of the number 14 coupled with the word fascism will produce the original article as well as many annotations on each of the 14 characteristics of fascism that he describes. His article is a must read to help get a handle on the symptoms that corporatism produces.

But even Britt’s excellent article misses the importance of Mussolini’s point. The concept of corporatism is number nine on Britt’s list and unfortunately titled: “Corporate Power is Protected.” In the view of Mussolini, the concept of corporatism should have been number one on the list and should have been more aptly titled the “Merger of Corporate Power and State Power.” Even Britt failed to see the merger of corporate and state power as the primary cause of most of these other characteristics. It is only when one begins to view fascism as the merger of corporate power and state power that it is easy to see how most of the other thirteen characteristics Britt describes are produced. Seen this way, these other characteristics no longer become disjointed abstractions. Cause and effect is evident.

For example, number two on Britt’s list is titled: “Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights.” Individual rights and corporate rights, at the very least conflict, and often are in downright opposition to one another. In the court system, often individuals must sue corporations. In America, in order to protect corporations, we have seen a steady stream of rules, decisions and laws to protect corporations and to limit the rights of the individual by lawsuit and other redress. These rules, decisions, and laws have always been justified on the basis of the need for corporations to have profit in order to exist.

Number three on Britt’s list is the identification of scapegoats or enemies as a unifying cause. Often the government itself becomes the scapegoat when the government is the regulator of the corporations. Often it is lawyers or administrators who take on the corporations. Often it is liberals who champion the rights of individuals, or terrorists who might threaten state stability or corporate profit. Any or all may become scapegoats for the state’s problems because they pose problems for corporations.

Other notable characteristics of fascism described by Britt which are directly produced by corporatism are:

&lt; The suppression of organized labor (organized labor is the bane of corporations and the only real check on corporate power other than government or the legal system);

&lt; Supremacy of the military (it is necessary to produce and protect corporate profits abroad and threats from abroad);

&lt; Cronyism and governmental corruption (it is very beneficial to have ex-corporate employees run the agencies or make the laws that are supposed to regulate or check corporations);

&lt; Fraudulent elections (especially those where corporations run the machinery of elections and count the votes or where judges decide their outcomes);

&lt; Nationalism (disdain for other countries that might promote individual rights);

&lt; Obsession with national security (anti-corporatists are a security risk to the corporate status quo);

&lt; Control of the media (propaganda works);

&lt; Obsession with crime and punishment (anti-corporatists belong in jail); and

&lt; Disdain for intellectuals and the arts (these people see corporatism for what it is and are highly individualistic).

All of these characteristics have a fairly obvious corporate component to them or produce a fairly obvious corporate benefit. Even Britt’s last two characteristics, the merger of state with the dominant religion and rampant suppression of divorce, abortion and homosexuality produce at least some indirect corporate benefit.

In sum, it’s the corporate state, stupid.

As I have pondered what could be done about America’s steady march toward the fascist state, I also have pondered what can be done internally to stop it. The Germans couldn’t seem to do it. The Italians couldn’t seem to do it. The only lesson from recent history where an indigenous people seemed to have uncoupled the merger of economic power with governmental power is the French Revolution. The soft underbelly of consolidated economic power is that the power resides in the hands of a few. Cut off the money supply of the few and the merger between economic power and government becomes unglued. The French systematically took out their aristocracy one by one. It was ugly; the French couldn’t seem to figure out when there had been enough bloodletting to solve the problem.

The thought of an American twenty-first century French Revolution is ugly. But the thought of an American twenty-first century fascist state is far uglier. It would be a supreme irony that the state most responsible for stopping worldwide fascism would become fascist 60 years later. But far worse than this irony is the reality that an American fascist state with America’s power could make Nazi Germany look like a tiny blip on the radar screen of history.

For some years now we have lived with the Faustian bargain of the corporation. Large corporations are necessary to achieve those governmental and social necessities that small enterprises are incapable of providing. The checks on corporate power have always been fragile. Left unchecked, the huge economic power of corporations corrupts absolutely. Most of the checks are badly eroded. Is there still time to get the checks back in balance? Or will we be left with two unthinkable options?



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Fascism Anyone?
Fascism’s principles are wafting in the air today, surreptitiously masquerading as something else, challenging everything we stand for.

By Laurence W. Britt
The cliché that people and nations learn from history is not only overused, but also overestimated; often we fail to learn from history, or draw the wrong conclusions. Sadly, historical amnesia is the norm.
We are two-and-a-half generations removed from the horrors of Nazi Germany, although constant reminders jog the consciousness. German and Italian fascism form the historical models that define this twisted political worldview. Although they no longer exist, this worldview and the characteristics of these models have been imitated by protofascist1 regimes at various times in the twentieth century. Both the original German and Italian models and the later protofascist regimes show remarkably similar characteristics. Although many scholars question any direct connection among these regimes, few can dispute their visual similarities.

Beyond the visual, even a cursory study of these fascist and protofascist regimes reveals the absolutely striking convergence of their modus operandi. This, of course, is not a revelation to the informed political observer, but it is sometimes useful in the interests of perspective to restate obvious facts and in so doing shed needed light on current circumstances.

For the purpose of this perspective, I will consider the following regimes: Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Franco’s Spain, Salazar’s Portugal, Papadopoulos’s Greece, Pinochet’s Chile, and Suharto’s Indonesia. To be sure, they constitute a mixed bag of national identities, cultures, developmental levels, and history. But they all followed the fascist or protofascist model in obtaining, expanding, and maintaining power. Further, all these regimes have been overthrown, so a more or less complete picture of their basic characteristics and abuses is possible.

Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of similarity.

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame forfailures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and“terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.

9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating an disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

Does any of this ring alarm bells? Of course not. After all, this is America, officially a democracy with the rule of law, a constitution, a free press, honest elections, and a well-informed public constantly being put on guard against evils. Historical comparisons like these are just exercises in verbal gymnastics. Maybe, maybe not.


"When facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag." - Huey Long

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Note to the right, It's the Corporate State, <span style="color: #000066"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'> STUPID!</span> </span>

pooltchr
11-02-2009, 10:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Note to the right, It's the Corporate State, <span style="color: #000066"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'> STUPID!</span> </span> </div></div>

Note to Gayle:
Nobody really cares what you think! <span style='font-size: 20pt'> Stupid!</span>

Steve

wolfdancer
11-02-2009, 04:53 PM
Damn, that post of hers must have hit home hard, like a kick to the groin. I can picture you trying to come up with a countering reply....BBBuutt, bbbuut, being without any "ammo"... you came up with....
that...that???? as a big time "put down". (very impressive, by the way)
As for your belief that if you didn't like her post,or her thoughts re: that article... then nobody would, WTF?
I believe that to be a little presumptuous on your part; even a trifle grandiose, your belief that you speak for everybody here, but par for the course,as most of the posts from the wrong side of the aisle have a similar attitude that they, and only they, speak for America.
I, for one, thought the comparison of Fascism to a corporate state....pretty interesting. I'd never heard that before. It's an exaggeration, but I think it has a strong element of truth in it.
I also thought many of the statements were right on about the right...#1, 3,4,7, and 9
And, before you answer with another of your "scathing" (sic) replies.....
who gives a f**k about what you think, about what I think???
You ain't relevant to any discussion....
Fascism/ the corporate state....that reminds me of your past stated beliefs that WalMart has the right to seize private property through court rulings, and install their "plantation mentality" run stores, anyplace they desire. Call me stupid...but that sure sounds like corporate fascism to me.

cushioncrawler
11-02-2009, 05:09 PM
Gayle -- Good stuff.
Now we know that democracy duznt work -- and fascism duznt work.
What we need iz Monarchy.

Fascism (eg green fascism) in the hands of clever people could work very well -- in the hands of stupid people, no.

What the articles left out woz the effekt on science and technology -- i think Bush added a new chapter to fascism here -- Hitler's fascism tinkered with science a bit -- but nothing like Bushes fascism.
madMac.

LWW
11-02-2009, 05:46 PM
Gayle sweetheart ... weren't you just arguing that this wasn't the definition of fascism?

I'm pulling for you dearie ... you are on the verge of a breakthrough.

Barack Hussein Obama Junior is a fascist. No POTUS has ever welded the state and the corporation as tightly together as dearest leader.

Hang in there, you'll figure it out.

LWW

wolfdancer
11-02-2009, 06:07 PM
We was jes short of having a monarchy here, as Bush thought he could ignore the Constitution. He did begin his own war against the wishes of Congress, fired unjustly, all the U.S. Attorneys that balked at his usurping of the Justice Dep't, created his private "palace guard", Blackwater, and gave them the power to treat ordinary U.S. citizens, as enemies of the state,"shoot to kill"; rewarded his cronies that contributed to the RNC with no bid contracts,and even publicly commented about his absolute powers as POTUS. He stopped just short of rewriting the Bible,and making the Baptists the official "State" religion
Still, I think of it as him trying to install an oligarchy, and not a Monarchy, given his membership in the Skull & Boneheads Society, that wants to create a new world order.

cushioncrawler
11-02-2009, 06:56 PM
Woofly -- There are bad Monarchs and good Monarchs.
I think there woz a system in the oldendayz where they killed the king if they got say 3 bad harvests in a row.
madMac.

Gayle in MD
11-02-2009, 07:10 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gayle -- Good stuff.
Now we know that democracy duznt work -- and fascism duznt work.
What we need iz Monarchy.

Fascism (eg green fascism) in the hands of clever people could work very well -- in the hands of stupid people, no.

What the articles left out woz the effekt on science and technology -- i think Bush added a new chapter to fascism here -- Hitler's fascism tinkered with science a bit -- but nothing like Bushes fascism.
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Nothing CAN work, when corporate power rules. We've seen ample proof of that, from Wall Street, to Bush's bill allowing the coal corporations to hack off our mountain tops, even inside our state parks!

No Administrations have broken so many laws, and operated under the radar, without accountability, as Republican Administrations. Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Bush, all fascists, working for the corporate fascists, and against the interests of the common man.

Republicans have ruined our country, destroyed our democracy, and ruined our honor, and our economy.

That is why the right can only respond with illogical statements, denial of facts, and personal insults.

That's all they have...

pooltchr
11-02-2009, 08:31 PM
Are those the same coal companies that supply the fuel to the power plants that keep your lights on and your computer running?

Are they anything like those big oil companies that fill the fuel tanks in your boat so you can go out and contribute to the polution in the bay?

kwicherbichin!

Steve

cushioncrawler
11-02-2009, 08:37 PM
Gayle -- The GOP duznt need big'gov to be able to do its dirty work -- the GOP can (did) stuff'up usofa big'time with little'gov.
Dont let the GOP fool'ya -- they love gov more than life itself -- they love gov more than they lov big'bizness.
They say that they hate big'gov -- yes -- only big'gov can keep a check on big'bizness.
madMac.

wolfdancer
11-02-2009, 08:38 PM
Uh, Steve has replied, as usual, with some hard hitting, below the belt commentary,( really dynamite sh*t) claiming that you are polluting the Chesapeake Bay...as to the rest of his post...I thought I would save you the trouble of reading it....thar ain'ts nuthin thar, thar.

pooltchr
11-02-2009, 08:44 PM
Good job, Wolfie. There will be an extra dog biscut in your daily feeding tomorrow. And while I admire your attempt to protect the mother ship, in the process, you just crashed and burned.

I will give you an E for the effort.

Steve

Gayle in MD
11-02-2009, 08:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gayle -- The GOP duznt need big'gov to be able to do its dirty work -- the GOP can (did) stuff'up usofa big'time with little'gov.
Dont let the GOP fool'ya -- they love gov more than life itself -- they love gov more than they lov big'bizness.
They say that they hate big'gov -- yes -- only big'gov can keep a check on big'bizness.
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You are so right, friend.

Every single Republican Administration grows the federal government. Reagan did, and both Bush's.

The reason why they continue to be elected is that their supporters have plenty of money to spread lies around about Democratics. Add to that, that those who vote Republican, vote on their wish to dictate their own social and religious beliefs upon all others, which Republicans always dangle in front of their noses, while knowing damn well, they can't deliver on those promises either.

Republicans are owned by three major fascist organizations, Oil, insurance/medical/pharmaceutical, and the Military Industrial complex.

Repubs in power, count on oil prices going up, rah rah war mongering, and rising health costs....always! count on the wealthy robing the rest, and the Federal Government expanding....Reagan, Bush and Bush...

Count on higher deficits, due to tax cuts which favor the wealthy....in the case of Little Bushy, it was worse than usual, because he was cutting taxes, while waging two wars, and f-ing up both of them.

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Gayle in MD
11-02-2009, 09:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Uh, Steve has replied, as usual, with some hard hitting, below the belt commentary,( really dynamite sh*t) claiming that you are polluting the Chesapeake Bay...as to the rest of his post...I thought I would save you the trouble of reading it....thar ain'ts nuthin thar, thar. </div></div>


<span style="color: #000066">LMAO! That's funny, my boat hasn't been on the Chesapeake Bay for over ten years.

As usual, he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

Our home, for example, is very energy efficient, windows placed for passive solar, reducing our energy usage significantly. We planned it that way...lots of shade in the summer, and the bay breezes, and plenty of sun in the winter.... two zone heat pumps, very efficient, and a range of other energy saving ideas which we implemented when we were building our home.

We use our little boat much more often than our sport fishing boat. Fishing in the ocean gets old, fast. Putzing around in the Assawoman and Assateaque Bays, in the little boat, and just enjoying the Marina life, is what it's all about after all our years of cruising around, and fishing. I'm afraid of eating any fish that are not farmed fish, these days, anyway, and I would never kill anything just for sport. </span>

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wolfdancer
11-02-2009, 10:36 PM
Damn it woman, I done warned you about mentioning "going green"
Now the "town criers", "Oyez, Oyez, Oyez!" will hit you with some "Al Gore and and his crazy Global Warming" stuff, crap, bs. (we iz so fortunate, as to have such a distinguished group of climatologists, reporting here for the right) (did i write that?...I must be low on my blood alcohol level)
I always wondered how somebody sane could endure being mistakenly placed in a Mental Institution (there was an old movie about that...I can't remember it's name, but think Joseph Cotton was in it)....anyway, posting here and reading the replies.....I think one can't last too long before the madness affects them
Editing my post....it just came to me...."The Snake Pit" I was wrong about Joseph Cotton, but did have Olivia De Havilland in mind...just too lazy to look up the spelling.I did finally have to look it up...to check on my recollection.
Anyway, amazing that this old brain can pull up something from 1948.....a few synapses must still be firing, just not quite on demand....

wolfdancer
11-02-2009, 10:47 PM
As Monty Python would say....
"Brilliant" !!!!!

Gayle in MD
11-03-2009, 07:56 AM
LMAO! As soon as I began reading your movie story, "Snake Pit" came to mind.

Don't ask me what I did last week though. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

You know what's beautiful about growing old...scroll down for the answer...















I forgot. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Qtec
11-03-2009, 08:29 AM
They do G. They practice it every day.
Q

Gayle in MD
11-03-2009, 08:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They do G. They practice it every day.
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Sorry Q. Don't know to which of my posts/statements you are responding.

G.

wolfdancer
11-03-2009, 09:23 AM
lol......thanks for that; I just dragged this old, tired, lazy *** of mine out of bed, and nothing like starting the day off with a smile....it's 6:45 here, and time to check on my huge portfolio....well it could have been huge I had zagged instead of zigged about a half dozen times; right now it is treading water, and barely afloat.
I just figured it out last night that the new #1 "annoyance" (you can guess as to which expletive I would use, if'n I could, instead of annoyance, and whatever your pick is....it would be correct....that will be my new catch-all word....
after that long intro-....#1 (imo) now is Steve, and 90% of his posts are right behind either yours or mine, and just for the sake of adding some new insults to impress the others here. I don't think he can both read and comprehend, as he wrote some lengthy invective about me wanting the gov't to feed, clothe, and house me, when my post was about struggling families.
I decided to hopefully never reply to him....and hope that you do likewise. He'll continue of course, with his jerkwater insults
but the only 2 reasons anybody does that with regularity is to
(A) impress others
(B) to elicit an angry response ....and give him an excuse to continue the schoolboy slurs.
And maybe a third reason.....he might need to insult others to jack up his own ego....
It just isn't worth the hassle of trying to establish an adult dialogue with someone trying hard to be a (add in your own descriptive)
So my list of ***** I'm trying not to reply to is Ed, lww, Steve, Kerboring, and soon, llotter...
These folks feed on eliciting replies to their schoolboy taunts; and maybe without them getting their hoped for angry answer...they will just fade away, and maybe even end up on AZBunghole

Gayle in MD
11-03-2009, 10:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lol......thanks for that; I just dragged this old, tired, lazy *** of mine out of bed, and nothing like starting the day off with a smile....it's 6:45 here, and time to check on my huge portfolio....well it could have been huge I had zagged instead of zigged about a half dozen times; right now it is treading water, and barely afloat.
I just figured it out last night that the new #1 "annoyance" (you can guess as to which expletive I would use, if'n I could, instead of annoyance, and whatever your pick is....it would be correct....that will be my new catch-all word....
after that long intro-....#1 (imo) now is Steve, and 90% of his posts are right behind either yours or mine, and just for the sake of adding some new insults to impress the others here. I don't think he can both read and comprehend, as he wrote some lengthy invective about me wanting the gov't to feed, clothe, and house me, when my post was about struggling families.
I decided to hopefully never reply to him....and hope that you do likewise. He'll continue of course, with his jerkwater insults
but the only 2 reasons anybody does that with regularity is to
(A) impress others
(B) to elicit an angry response ....and give him an excuse to continue the schoolboy slurs.
And maybe a third reason.....he might need to insult others to jack up his own ego....
It just isn't worth the hassle of trying to establish an adult dialogue with someone trying hard to be a (add in your own descriptive)
So my list of ***** I'm trying not to reply to is Ed, lww, Steve, Kerboring, and soon, llotter...
These folks feed on eliciting replies to their schoolboy taunts; and maybe without them getting their hoped for angry answer...they will just fade away, and maybe even end up on AZBunghole
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They have all been on my ignore list for over a month, but Lww, aka, Little Weenie Wonkie, Eg and Steve, for much longer than that.

It's much more interesting around here when you just block their posts. Why bother with them, anyway. IOW, Why turn off the news, to watch cartoons?

Amazing to me how indoctrinated they are, as they post about the dangers of indoctrination!

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wolfdancer
11-03-2009, 10:48 AM
Hopefully the board will be a little more readable, without the babble. I fergots to put "chopped liver" on my "don't waste your time" list. He is trying to link the bk of CIT as proof that President Barack Obama is a commie, maybe he thinks President Obama caused the pos corp to go BK?????
I think when one lives near a make believe, fantasy world like Disney World, it must eventually affect one's reasoning.
I thought I could make a quick buck on CIT the other day, bought and quickly sold some shares at a small loss, after doing the due diligence I should have done beforehand. (my Mama didn't raise no Warren Buffets, and thankfully no Bernie Madoffs, another GOP favorite re:contributor, as was Ken Lay)
Speaking of contributing to the RNC....it's proof that money $$$ can buy you love!!!

Qtec
11-03-2009, 11:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The right Doesn't Understand What Fascism Is! </div></div>\\

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Gayle in MD
11-03-2009, 11:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The right Doesn't Understand What Fascism Is! </div></div>\\

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Right you are!

cushioncrawler
11-03-2009, 04:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gayle -- The GOP duznt need big'gov to be able to do its dirty work -- the GOP can (did) stuff'up usofa big'time with little'gov. Dont let the GOP fool'ya -- they love gov more than life itself -- they love gov more than they lov big'bizness. They say that they hate big'gov -- yes -- only big'gov can keep a check on big'bizness. madMac.</div></div><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are so right, friend. Every single Republican Administration grows the federal government. Reagan did, and both Bush's. The reason why they continue to be elected is that their supporters have plenty of money to spread lies around about Democratics. Add to that, that those who vote Republican, vote on their wish to dictate their own social and religious beliefs upon all others, which Republicans always dangle in front of their noses, while knowing damn well, they can't deliver on those promises either. Republicans are owned by three major fascist organizations, Oil, insurance/medical/pharmaceutical, and the Military Industrial complex. Repubs in power, count on oil prices going up, rah rah war mongering, and rising health costs....always! count on the wealthy robing the rest, and the Federal Government expanding....Reagan, Bush and Bush... Count on higher deficits, due to tax cuts which favor the wealthy....in the case of Little Bushy, it was worse than usual, because he was cutting taxes, while waging two wars, and f-ing up both of them. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif</div></div>Gayle -- I am thinking that the financial'fascists rule all thems other corporate'fascists that u mentioned.
U know, banking'fascists, wall'st'fascists etc -- u know, the ones that dont actually do anything, they just make money -- u know, the ones that are just parasites.
Aktually, i am wrong, they do do something -- they govern usofa -- iznt that better than doing nothing!!!!!!
madMac.

Gayle in MD
11-04-2009, 01:31 PM
I couldn't agree more, friend.

When government and corporate power, meld together and exploit the rest, we have a fascist state.

That is what America has been for a very long time.

What difference do votes make, when we're just voting in new people who have already been bought and pocketed, before they take office.

Nothing will ever change, until Americans rise up and demand public financing, and an end to corporate lobbying.

It is not democratic, to pit the common man, and his voice, against multi billion dollar corporate power.

That is NOT democracy.

Our own supreme Court, ruled in favor of the on-going facist corporate power rule.

G.

LWW
11-04-2009, 03:42 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I couldn't agree more, friend.

When government and corporate power, meld together and exploit the rest, we have a fascist state.

That is what America has been for a very long time.

G.

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MY GOD!

You have finally came to your senses.

American began the move towards fascism under FDR.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What difference do votes make, when we're just voting in new people who have already been bought and pocketed, before they take office.

Nothing will ever change, until Americans rise up and demand public financing, and an end to corporate lobbying.

G.

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Didn't we just have a candidate for POTUS in 2008 who promised to use public financing and not hire lobbyists ... who then took private financing, including illegal financing from foreigners, and started hiring lobbyists immediately?

How'd that work out?

Ohhh ... I remember now, you supported him no matter what he did.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is NOT democracy.

G.

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America isn't, and never was intended to be, a democracy.

LWW