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llotter
11-04-2009, 08:20 AM
It is naive beyond what is rational to think that concentrating political power will not be dominated by the rich and powerful to make themselves richer and more powerful.

cushioncrawler
11-04-2009, 06:35 PM
But diluting power wont work neither i think.
madMac.

wolfdancer
11-04-2009, 08:07 PM
It takes a lot of conceit, gall, Chutzpah to write something like... the Dems, or approx. !/2 of the voting population, doesn't understand Fascism, but myself and my fellow Republicans, we are the only ones that do.
I don't know if one has to attend some special school where they
dispel all the myths, that the textbooks for the left has available to read. I guess, he must think that despite his own parties links to Fascism....google "Bush family and Nazis..."
and we're talking two ex Presidents, and a Governor here with family ties to Hitler!
http://iwilltryit.com/c1.JPG
Zeig Heil !!!
He must believe they have separate educational facilities for the offspring of Dems and the GOP. Dumbest post heading ever, but goes right along with someone telling me that I was missing out on a chance to educate myself by not reading his posts. Was this a college prof., a Fulbright Scholar, maybe...no, but he is full of something....
WTF did these guys do, rub up against the obelisk from "2001", which is safely hidden at RNC?
What the right doesn't realize is we also studied history and economics, and it seems....from their complaints that it's the left that is teaching in the Universities. You have to wonder then, how they got that position, being as dumb as llotter claims? Some of the left, there's still a few of us were alive during WWII.....we went through that phase of worrying about the Nazi's although admittedly none of us knew until recently of the Bush/Rockefeller/Harriman ties, and the funding to the Nazi war chest, so maybe being a Republican, maybe they are still passing around insider's stuff. I attended a couple of John Birch society meetings, and thought they were pretty far out in right field....(you know in little league, they put the weakest players out in right field) and baseball is a metaphor for life...and....
http://http://iwilltryit.com/c1.JPG
And then we moved on after that war and became even more concerned about Communism....Maybe the red state crew should begin looking into that....they'll still be behind though as our new concern is making the monthly payments on our Chinese American Express Card.

pooltchr
11-04-2009, 09:30 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He must believe they have separate educational facilities for the offspring of Dems and the GOP.
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Not at all. They probably all went to the same schools. But the ones who did well probably ended up moving to the right! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Steve

LWW
11-05-2009, 02:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He must believe they have separate educational facilities for the offspring of Dems and the GOP.
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Not at all. They probably all went to the same schools. But the ones who did well probably ended up moving to the right! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Steve </div></div>

And those that didn't demanded that the state take from those that did to make up for their own weaknesses.

And wolfie ... you either have no clue what fascism is, or you are a raging fascist yourself.

I give you and Gayle a break when I say you are merely tools in the hands of the fascist state. The reality of the situation is that you cheer on your own enslavement.

LWW

Gayle in MD
11-06-2009, 05:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It takes a lot of conceit, gall, Chutzpah to write something like... the Dems, or approx. !/2 of the voting population, doesn't understand Fascism, but myself and my fellow Republicans, we are the only ones that do.
I don't know if one has to attend some special school where they
dispel all the myths, that the textbooks for the left has available to read. I guess, he must think that despite his own parties links to Fascism....google "Bush family and Nazis..."
and we're talking two ex Presidents, and a Governor here with family ties to Hitler!
http://iwilltryit.com/c1.JPG
Zeig Heil !!!
He must believe they have separate educational facilities for the offspring of Dems and the GOP. Dumbest post heading ever, but goes right along with someone telling me that I was missing out on a chance to educate myself by not reading his posts. Was this a college prof., a Fulbright Scholar, maybe...no, but he is full of something....
WTF did these guys do, rub up against the obelisk from "2001", which is safely hidden at RNC?
What the right doesn't realize is we also studied history and economics, and it seems....from their complaints that it's the left that is teaching in the Universities. You have to wonder then, how they got that position, being as dumb as llotter claims? Some of the left, there's still a few of us were alive during WWII.....we went through that phase of worrying about the Nazi's although admittedly none of us knew until recently of the Bush/Rockefeller/Harriman ties, and the funding to the Nazi war chest, so maybe being a Republican, maybe they are still passing around insider's stuff. I attended a couple of John Birch society meetings, and thought they were pretty far out in right field....(you know in little league, they put the weakest players out in right field) and baseball is a metaphor for life...and....
http://http://iwilltryit.com/c1.JPG
And then we moved on after that war and became even more concerned about Communism....Maybe the red state crew should begin looking into that....they'll still be behind though as our new concern is making the monthly payments on our Chinese American Express Card.

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<span style="color: #000066"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>The "Dems" learned all about it, beginning in 2001... </span> </span>


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The Administration began to set in motion their pre-election plan and used 9/11 by creating and cherry picking "intelligence" in order to invade and occupy Iraq within hours of the 9/11 attack.

11. Pursuant to the constitution, their oaths of office, their status as Executive Branch employees, and their presence in the United States, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and Powell, and their subordinates and employees are required to obey Title 18, United States Code, Section 371, which prohibits conspiracies to defraud the United States.

12. AS used in Section 371, the term "to defraud the United States" means "to interfere with or obstruct one of its lawful government functions by deciet, craft, trickery, or at least by means that are dishonest." the term also means to "impair, obstruct, or defeat the lawful function of any department of government" by the use of false or fraudulent pretenses or representations."

13 A "false or "fraudulent" representation is one that is: (a) made with knowledge that it is untrue: (b) a half truth: (c) made without a reasonabnle basis or with reckless indifference as to whether it is, in fact, tru or false: or (d) literally true, but intentionally presented in a manner reasonably calculated to deceive a person or ordinary prudence and intellilgence. the knowing concealment or omission of information that a reasonable person would consider imortant in deciding an issue also constitutes fraud.

14. congress is a "department of the United states" within the meaning of Section 371. In addition, hearings regarding funding for military action and aurhorizatin to use military force are "lawful functions" of congress.

15 Accordingly, the presentation of information to Congress and the general public through deceit, craft, trickery, dishonest means, and fraudulent represenations, including lies, half-truths, material omissions, and statements made with reckless indifference to their truth or falsity, while knowing and intending that such fraudulent representations would influence Congress' decisions regarding authroization to use millitary force and finding for military action, constitutes interfering with, obstructing, impairing, and defeating a lawful government function of a departm,ent of the United States within the meaning of Section 371.


27. Shortly after the fourth planes crashed in Pennsylvania, United States intelligence agencies determined that 9/11 was the work of the terrorist organization al Qaeda, spear-headed by Osama bin Ladne. fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, two from Yemen, and two from Lebanon. This information, along with the conclusion that no evidence linked the attacks to Saddam Hussein or al Qaeda, was immediately communicated to Bush, Cheney, rice, rumsfeld, Powell, and others.

28. Bush-cheney administration members began discussing an invasion of Iraq immediately after 9/11. Bush, rumsfeld and others also assigned various subordinates, including former counterterrorism czar Richard clarke, CIA Director George Tenet, and General Richard Meyers to look for intelligence that could justify attacking Saddam Hussein's regime.

29. On September 17, 2001, Bush secretly ordered the formulation of preliminary plans for an invasion of Iraq, while admitting to his aides that no evicence existed to justify an attack.

30. On or about September 18, 2001, in response to Bush's request, Clarke sent Rice a memo that stated: (a) the case for linking Hussein to 9/11 was weak; (b) only anecdotal evidence linked Hussein to al Qaeda; (c) Osama Bin Laden resented the secularism of Saddam Hussein; and (d) there was no confirmed reporting of Saddam cooperating with Bin Laden on unconventional weapons.

31. On September 20, 2001, Bush informed British Prime Minister Tony Bl;air that after Afghanistan, the United States and Britiain should return to the issue of invading Iraq.

32. U.S. Intelligence community Assessments of Risk from Iraq in Effect on November 2001. on occasion, Executive Branch officials request assessments of current intelligence on risks posed by WMD in a given country. Although such assessments are coordinated by the Central Intelligence Agency ("CIA"), the final product incorporates the analyses, including dissenting opinions, of the intelligence branches of the Department of State, energy, Defense, and the National Security Agency, and others, which are collectively called the Intelligence Community ("IC").

33. As of November 2001, the most recent assessment on Iraq was a December 2000 classified Intelligence Community Assessment ("ICA") called "Iraq: Steadily Pursuing WMD cpapbilities." This ICA was a comprehenfive update on possible Iraqi efforts to rebuild WMD and weapons delivery systems after the 1998 departure of International Atomic Energy Agency ("IAEA") representatives and UN weapons inspectors, who are collectively referred to as the United nations special Commission ("UNSCOM").

34. Regarding Iraq's possibly nuclar program, the December 2000 NIE unanimously conclulded that:

(a) The IAEA and UNSCOM had destroyed or neutralized Iraq's nuclear infrastructure, but Iraq still had a foundation for future nuclear reconstitution;

(b) Iraq was continuing low level theoretical research and training, and attempting to obtain dual-use items that could be used to reconstitute its nuclear program;

(c) If Iraq acquired a significant quantity of fissile material through foreign assistance, it could have a crude nuclear weapon within a year; if Iraq received foreign assistance, it would take five to seven years to produce enough weapons-grade fissile material for a nuclear weapon; and

(d) Iraq did not appear to have reconstituted its nuclear weapons program.

35. Escalation of Military Activity and Planning for Invasion of Iraq. On November 21, 2001 Bush secretly ordered preparation of a formal war plan for invading Iraq. thereafter, for sixteen months, the Bush-cheney administration expended substantial U.S. government funds in military activity and planning for invasion of Iraq, all without notice to, or approval by, the U.S.
Congress.

36. Bush did not receive an extensive briefing about possible WMD in Iraq before ordering a war plan, nor did he discuss the legitimacy of grounds for war with anyone. Bush received no such briefing until December 21, 2002.

37. On or about November 27, 2001, Rumsfeld asked General "Tommy" Franks, head of Central Command, which supervises Middle East operations, to immediately prepare an Irq war plan in response to Bush's order.

38. thereafter, Franks discussed numberous revised Iraq war plans with Rumsfeld. Between December 2001 and August 2002, Bush Cheney Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, and others held at least five lendthuy meetings about Franks' plans. In August, Bush ordered Franks to prepare to invade Iraq using the "Hybrid Plan," a combination of the "Running Start" and "Generated Start" plans developed previously.

39. During 2002, the United States and Great Britian increased air strikes in order to degrade Iraqi air defenses and began deploying troops to areas around Iraq.

40. On or about July 30, 2002, without approval by, or notice to, Congress, Bush caused the diversion of &700 million from Afghanistan war funds into Iraq invasion preparations.


41. On September 5, 2002, without approval by, or notice to, congress, Bush caused approximately 100 United States and British aircraft to launch ballistic missiles at Iraq's major western air-defense facility.

42. By September 12, 2002, witnout approval by, or notice to, Congress, Bush had caused the movement of 40,000 military personnel and over 350,000 tons of equipment to areas around Iraq. Franks also ordered Central Command to be moved to AI Udeid Air Base near Doha, Qatar.

43. Behind-the-Scenes Strategizing with British Officials: On or before March 2002, Bush Rice wolfowitz, and others secretly began discussing waays to persuade the public and foreign allies to accept bush's goal of invading Iraq, with British prime Minister tony Blair and his advisers.

44. On March 12, 2002, in Washington, D.C., Rice met with Blair's Foreign Policy Adviser Sir David Maning and informed him of Bush's problems with persuading "international opinion that military action against Iraq was necessary and justified."

45. On March 17, 2002, in Washington, D.C., British Ambassador Sir Christopher Meyer advised Wolfowitz that the two countries should "wrongfoot" Saddam Hussein by seeking a UN resolution that would require the readmission of weapons inspectore with the expectation that Saddam would create a justification for war by obstruction the inspections.

46. On Paril 6 2002, in Crawford, Texas, Bush and Blair descussed strategies to sway public opinion regarding military action in Iraq. blair agreed to support a United States invasion if the two countries obtained a UN resolution first.

47. In mid-July, 2002, in Washington, D.C., White HOuse officials discussed Iraq with visiting Bitish officials. Upon their return to London, these officials reported the talks to Blair in a meeting at 10 Downing St. on July 23, 2002. Among other things, Blairs advisers suggested that he urge BBUSH to devise a more realistic political strategy for attacking Iraq, because a desire for "eegime change" would not justify military action under international law.

48. In mid-July, 2002, in Washington, D.C., CIA Director Tenent and others talked about the Bush administration's intentions regarding Iraq with Sir Richard Dearlove, the head of British Intelligence.

49. On july 23, 2002, during the Downing St. meeting described above, Dearlove informed Blair that in the United States "Military action was now seen as inevitable. BUSH wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. BUT the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."


<span style="color: #000066"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>The RW Nuts are the ones who refuse to acknoweldge it. </span> </span>

wolfdancer
11-06-2009, 06:10 PM
and like I done told you several times....when is it ever going to sink in.....I think that you are a pompous idiot, and while you may have fooled the red crew over on AZB, with your self serving posts, I done spotted you as a "his porch light is on, but ain't nobody home" type, on your very first post. If I could have your posts printed up on toilet paper, I'd find a real good use for them....
But bug off....I have no use for your bs, and I'm sorry as I write this that I am replying to you, because I just want to write you off as some irritant. You can post from now till doomsday, and I wouldn't be buying into your expert on all things, and Rambo/freedom fighter crap, which makes me ill.
Sell your line of expert crap to someone else, cause I ain't buying.