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sack316
11-06-2009, 12:19 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33713864/ns/business-personal_finance

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON - The unemployment rate has hit double digits for the first time since 1983 — and is likely to go higher.

The 10.2 percent jobless rate for October shows how weak the economy remains even though it is growing. Rising unemployment also could threaten the recovery if it saps consumers' confidence and makes them more cautious about spending as the holiday season approaches.

Nearly 16 million people can't find jobs even though the worst recession since the Great Depression has apparently ended.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Counting those who have settled for part-time jobs or stopped looking for work, the unemployment rate would be 17.5 percent, the highest on records dating from 1994. </div></div>

Sack

LWW
11-06-2009, 12:37 PM
Dearest leader has saved or created jobs for 89.8% of us.

LWW

sack316
11-06-2009, 12:51 PM
Well from that perspective it sounds pretty good!

Sack

pooltchr
11-06-2009, 04:35 PM
This is what they are calling the "new reality"

Hope and Change at it's finest!

Of course there are several countries in Europe who have been dealing with this kind of unemployment for years. Seems to be one of the side effects of moving toward Socialism!

Steve

Gayle in MD
11-06-2009, 04:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stocks posted a modest gain after the Labor Department said the unemployment rate topped 10 percent in October for the first time since 1983, but also that the pace of job losses slowed. Despite a 10.2 percent unemployment rate, the economy is shedding jobs at a much slower pace than earlier this year, the government reported. </div></div>

Dow Nasdaq, S n P 500 all up.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stores say sales may be finally turning around </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pending Home Sales Reach Three Year High </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Baby Boomers Reignite Housing Market </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> GM Posts First Yearly Sales Gain IN Three Years</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Consumer Borrowing Falls For Record 8th Month </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Easing Job Losses Point to Wobbly Recovery</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">New Jobless Claims Drop To Lowest Since January </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Builders Hunting For Land Again </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Retail Sales show Gain </div></div>


<span style="color: #000066">Hey Eyore!
Just adding a bit of good news to your day. Just call it a slightly wider perspective...</span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

pooltchr
11-06-2009, 05:47 PM
Of course you would want to paint a bright picture, since it's all crumbling down around your guy.

1 in 10 are out of work. And the government is telling us to get used to it. Seems like a good lib would be screaming about the poor unemployed and underemployed, rather than trying to boost the administration that is killing our economy.

Even within your own party, the questions are starting to be raised as to why so much emphasis is being put on healthcare, and so little on the employment problems.

Oh, thanks for the links, letting us know what your source for all that good news was.

Steve

wolfdancer
11-06-2009, 05:54 PM
"What the right doesn't realize..." /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
Even moderate "good" news is a positive sign, and encouraging.It takes a runaway freight train a long time to come to a halt, and an even longer time to get it back to it's starting point.
But we are a long way from out of the woods just yet." The woods are lovely, dark and deep, but we have miles to go before we sleep"
You are wasting your time though mentioning the economy here... read the replies, and you'll see they all were sick the day they taught economy in school. (Everything I learned about the economy I learned in grade 10; "the two cows theory")
I've been reading up on the factors that caused recessions in the last 50 years, the history of the FDIC,...AND, the economic factors governing this one looks to be (IMO) the worst of them all. If inflation sets in, thanks to our weakening dollar....the poop will really hit the fan.
Blaming it all on "Obama, and socialism" tells me their elevator not only doesn't go to the top floor, it's mired in the basement.
Don't waste your time here. There are too many factors for this "blinders on" group to consider....like Bank of America's woes are blamed on the mortgage crisis...when in fact, their real problem was moving corporate HQ to N.Cal after selling out to the NC Nations Bank. Had they asked me for my advice, I would have told them they had the same chance of surviving there, as the entire country would have under Sarah Palin, who did not know where Russia is, central Russia that is.
As a little girl they told Sarah that she could see into the future, which is why she thought she would make a good VP, even a P.
what they forgot to tell her is that all Alaskans can see into the future from Little Diomede since Big Diomede Island,(2 1/2 miles apart at it's closest) is on the other side of the International Date Line.
Other then her amazing ability to see into the future, I think she would have made a great Hockey Mom, instead of an expert on Russian geography, and their internal mechanisms...

pooltchr
11-06-2009, 10:09 PM
Hey Wolfie. Here's a news flash for ya. Sarah wasn't even running for president!

Steve

sack316
11-06-2009, 10:28 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Dow Nasdaq, S n P 500 all up.</div></div>

Good news to those who can afford to be in the market at least! Of course, record low interest rates, and the promise of continuing record low interest rates would be the contributing factor to that statistic. Sure, the market is actually good news... just would be better if it was based on confidence rather than the Fed pulling strings. But hey, if that's what it takes right now, gotta do what you gotta do!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stores say sales may be finally turning around </div></div>

Consumer confidence needs to be high for that. As I've said before, the holiday season will be the big teller on how tight or loose people will be with the purse strings. From what I've seen, the outlook on that is not too great. You may have stumbled upon some different information, though, which I would be relieved to see!


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pending Home Sales Reach Three Year High </div></div>

Good news. Was only about one way to go /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Baby Boomers Reignite Housing Market </div></div>

Actually had just read up on that. What a pleasant and needed surprise to that market! The boomers are moving into new homes, and are encouraged to go ahead and sell their current property now rather than waiting on what may be a very long wait for the prices to go back up. Hence, their current or old home gets to go on the market at the current lower prices, providing opportunity to pull a younger generation of buyers into the market. This is good news indeed!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> GM Posts First Yearly Sales Gain IN Three Years</div></div>

A) another "only one way to go" scenario B) Doubt we'll be getting another cash for clunkers next year

I'm afraid, IMHO, that this is one of those "good news" items that only looks good on paper. But hey, I suppose that is still better than the alternative. They are still around, after all.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Consumer Borrowing Falls For Record 8th Month </div></div>

From a person to person standpoint, I'd say that's a good thing. But you do realize that this statistic threatens to derail recovery, right? Decline in consumer borrowing will reflect prospects of consumer spending ie. less borrowing=less spending. Less spending is probably a good idea for the individual or family... bad news for economy as a whole.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Easing Job Losses Point to Wobbly Recovery</div></div>

Matter of perspective. I go to a casino and lose $100 per night for a few months. The next few months I go and "only" lose $50 per night. My losses eased, which is better... but still not good to continue to lose, no?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">New Jobless Claims Drop To Lowest Since January </div></div>

This headline you plucked came from Thursday. Same story also said today's number would be 9.9%. It wound up being 10.2%. Glad the rate of job loss is slowing, but job loss is still growing. And those who have already lost jobs are not finding new ones either (the reason benefits are being extended again). And those lucky enough to have jobs are seeing less and less hours. It'll be a while before we see what I'd call "good news" from this statistic.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Builders Hunting For Land Again </div></div>

Good news and good timing for these companies and investors to take the risk that prices are stabilized and that the trend of new home sales rising will continue. If I had a good bit of working capital, I'd be doing the same!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Retail Sales show Gain </div></div>

Yeah, another bit of surprising news of last month. Good news! Retailers still are not doing a great deal of hiring due to bad projections for the "make it or break it" holiday season that most depend on. But I'll take a little good news over none. I hope the next few months can be as much of a pleasant surprise as September was!


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #000066">Hey Eyore!
Just adding a bit of good news to your day. Just call it a slightly wider perspective...</span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

I do love Eyore /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

And I keep a pretty wide perspective. I see the "good" news. I also look into why good news is happening. Sometimes it is just good news. Sometimes it's good news for possible bad news reasons.

Some guy comes and hands you a brand new stereo! Great news! When the cops come knockin about the "hot" stereo you own, your good news happened for a bad news reason... and in the end it doesn't turn out to be such good news afterall /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Sack

wolfdancer
11-07-2009, 02:48 AM
no sh*t, Dick Tracy...I knew I should be tuning into Fox news more often to keep up.
Here's a news flash for you. the VP is first in line to become President in Case something happens to #1, and given John's age,
there was always that chance...and who knows, if they didn't f**k the country up as bad as GWB did, he might have gotten a second term, increasing the chance that the Dodo would replace the Eagle as our national symbol

wolfdancer
11-07-2009, 03:03 AM
"Surely, you can't be serious"
In only 10 months Obama ruined the robust economy he inherited?
And how did he manage to do that, pray tell?
You probably blame him for the mortgage crisis that has caused many banks to fail, and the fall of Lehman Bros, and just the other day City (CIT).
so the banks aren't lending and people aren't buying which leads to more layoffs as demand for goods decreases. We might even see Deeman on the Freeway on Ramp washing windows for spare change.
Sorry, I think the roots of this recession go way back, long before Obama defeated Diebold in the election.
But since I am no expert and lack your probable Master's degree in finance
I could be wrong.

Gayle in MD
11-07-2009, 07:26 AM
<span style="color: #000066"> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Hey Eyore,

brace yourself,

(this is really too funny)


I got those headlines from your own link!

Seek and ye shall find!</span> </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Sev
11-07-2009, 08:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> "What the right doesn't realize..." /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
Even moderate "good" news is a positive sign, and encouraging.It takes a runaway freight train a long time to come to a halt, and an even longer time to get it back to it's starting point.
But we are a long way from out of the woods just yet." The woods are lovely, dark and deep, but we have miles to go before we sleep"
You are wasting your time though mentioning the economy here... read the replies, and you'll see they all were sick the day they taught economy in school. (Everything I learned about the economy I learned in grade 10; "the two cows theory")
I've been reading up on the factors that caused recessions in the last 50 years, the history of the FDIC,...AND, the economic factors governing this one looks to be (IMO) the worst of them all. If inflation sets in, thanks to our weakening dollar....the poop will really hit the fan.
Blaming it all on "Obama, and socialism" tells me their elevator not only doesn't go to the top floor, it's mired in the basement.
Don't waste your time here. There are too many factors for this "blinders on" group to consider....like Bank of America's woes are blamed on the mortgage crisis...when in fact, their real problem was moving corporate HQ to N.Cal after selling out to the NC Nations Bank. Had they asked me for my advice, I would have told them they had the same chance of surviving there, as the entire country would have under Sarah Palin, who did not know where Russia is, central Russia that is.
As a little girl they told Sarah that she could see into the future, which is why she thought she would make a good VP, even a P.
what they forgot to tell her is that all Alaskans can see into the future from Little Diomede since Big Diomede Island,(2 1/2 miles apart at it's closest) is on the other side of the International Date Line.
Other then her amazing ability to see into the future, I think she would have made a great Hockey Mom, instead of an expert on Russian geography, and their internal mechanisms...
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The amount of US dollars in circulation has increased 100% and is being devalued. The only way to get that money back out of the system is to increase interest rates. The last time that happened interest rates were increased to over 20% and we had only introduced a 20% rise in printed money. It took 5 years for the fed to get that money back out of circulation.
Just imagine what the interest rates and amount of time will be needed to remove a 100% increase of dollars in circulation.
We are still printing faux money at an alarming rate.

Inflation? Ifs a forgone conclusion. Its only a matter of time.

Sev
11-07-2009, 08:52 AM
Its another bubble.

Wait till you see the post Christmas report.

LWW
11-07-2009, 09:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Of course you would want to paint a bright picture, since it's all crumbling down around your guy.

Steve </div></div>

Dearest leader has told her it's peachy ... so it's peachy and you are a racist for not agreeing.

As to her source ... do you really need to ask?

LWW

LWW
11-07-2009, 09:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> In only 10 months Obama ruined the robust economy he inherited?</div></div>

Let's do a quick review ...

GDP ... down V.

Unemployment ... up ^.

Deficit ... up ^.

Taxes ... ^ up.

Government spending ... up ^.

Business investment ... down V.

Consumer spending ... down V.

Other than the economy being robust ... flat would be more accurate ... I agree with you. Obama has ruined a mediocre situation and turned it into a disaster.

LWW

sack316
11-07-2009, 01:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="color: #000066"> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Hey Eyore,

brace yourself,

(this is really too funny)


I got those headlines from your own link!

Seek and ye shall find!</span> </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

This I already knew! The fact that you got those headlines from the related articles section in my link changes anything I said how exactly? (also, it wasn't me that asked for links to any of that, I knew where you got them from).

BTW, the related articles rotate. See also:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Long-term jobless face frayed safety net </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Recession over? Many don't believe it </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Official job numbers don't tell the whole story </div></div> (that one talks about how the unemployment numbers are a sharp underestimation of the true picture

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Retailers’ lack of vision may sink their holiday sales </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Video: Reality is lagging behind credit card reform </div></div>

Sack

editing to add that I take that back, I did ask about one, the "Stores say sales may be finally turning around"... not because I was unaware of your source, but because that particular article referenced there is a month old.

Gayle in MD
11-08-2009, 03:59 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sack

editing to add that I take that back, I did ask about one, the "Stores say sales may be finally turning around"... not because I was unaware of your source, but because that particular article referenced there is a month old.
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A month old? How do you figure that? We dom't get November sales, til November is over, right? We can't get the monthly sales till the end of the month. The headline wasn't referencing September.

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sack316
11-08-2009, 11:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sack

editing to add that I take that back, I did ask about one, the "Stores say sales may be finally turning around"... not because I was unaware of your source, but because that particular article referenced there is a month old.
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A month old? How do you figure that? We dom't get November sales, til November is over, right? We can't get the monthly sales till the end of the month. The headline wasn't referencing September.

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

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I figure that by the fact that you got those headlines from links within the article I posted (as you said). Clicking on that link within the article goes to the article. Since those articles rotate, it's probably best to google the headline now, though. The first result is MSNBC's article (the only one bearing that exact headline)

Stores say sales may finally be turning around (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33222330/ns/business-retail/)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">updated 6:43 p.m. CT, Thurs., Oct . 8, 2009 </div></div>

Which reflects Septembers sales, which were indeed a pleasant surprise to the industry.

You are right, we won't get November sales until November is over.

October's results showed moderate increases in selective consumer spending. But over half of retailers posted sales that fell short of the newly heightened expectations from September's gains.

And regardless, the best and most common sense quote I have seen so far in relation to that particular topic comes from Brian Girouard of Capgemini's consumer products and retail practice:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you show a 2 percent increase over a bad performance, it's still a bad performance. There's good news, but remember the benchmark was horrible." </div></div>

Sack

Gayle in MD
11-08-2009, 12:30 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sack

editing to add that I take that back, I did ask about one, the "Stores say sales may be finally turning around"... not because I was unaware of your source, but because that particular article referenced there is a month old.
</div></div>

A month old? How do you figure that? We dom't get November sales, til November is over, right? We can't get the monthly sales till the end of the month. The headline wasn't referencing September.

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

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I figure that by the fact that you got those headlines from links within the article I posted (as you said). Clicking on that link within the article goes to the article. Since those articles rotate, it's probably best to google the headline now, though. The first result is MSNBC's article (the only one bearing that exact headline)

Stores say sales may finally be turning around (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33222330/ns/business-retail/)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">updated 6:43 p.m. CT, Thurs., Oct . 8, 2009 </div></div>

Which reflects Septembers sales, which were indeed a pleasant surprise to the industry.

You are right, we won't get November sales until November is over.

October's results showed moderate increases in selective consumer spending. But over half of retailers posted sales that fell short of the newly heightened expectations from September's gains.

And regardless, the best and most common sense quote I have seen so far in relation to that particular topic comes from Brian Girouard of Capgemini's consumer products and retail practice:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you show a 2 percent increase over a bad performance, it's still a bad performance. There's good news, but remember the benchmark was horrible." </div></div>

Sack </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's good news, </div></div>

Your common sense guy, thinks it's good news...Eyore.

I don't think any reasonable person in this country expected a booming economy, after the nearly global Bush Depression, since in fact, we were teetering on financial global economic disaster a year ago.

And as I have pointed out many times, the president warned us from the start, that the recovery would be slow, and hard.

I think he's doing what he can to lesson the burdens on Middle Class Americans, and the unemployed, the numbers of which, since the onset of the crash, a year ago, had been predicted higher than they are right now, by some economists.

I just found it interesting, as I glanced down the page of headlines from your link, that the one you chose to highlight at the outset, was the worst one, and no mention of any of the more encouraging ones...

One would think common sense, would include the awareness, that things could have been much worse by now, than they are. All in all, there are many good signs showing up, IMO. Unemployment, as I have said before, always the last segment of an economic collapse, to recover...

Now, had we been in a situation when Obama took office where we weren't burried in debts, he would surely have been able to stimulate the economy and save jobs, without so much spending, but then, as I say, Bush didn't leave us any small disasters, just humongus ones, all of them with no good alternatives...

All in how one looks at things, I presume, half full, or half empty, dear friend Eyore&gt;

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sack316
11-08-2009, 01:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Your common sense guy, thinks it's good news...Eyore.</div></div>

Indeed, even I said there is some good news. If only it was as black and white as that.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just found it interesting, as I glanced down the page of headlines from your link, that the one you chose to highlight at the outset, was the worst one, and no mention of any of the more encouraging ones...</div></div>

Because the unemployment numbers were the topic of conversation, as they have been monthly on here for quite some time. I didn't pick and choose what I wanted to highlight, it was the big top headline on the MSN homepage. And it was a primary selling point of stimulus as well... which I don't think we should forget that right now we are supposed to be at a shade under 8% with stimulus, and at 9% without it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One would think common sense, would include the awareness, that things could have been much worse by now, than they are. All in all, there are many good signs showing up, IMO. Unemployment, as I have said before, always the last segment of an economic collapse, to recover...</div></div>

I take no issue with anything you say right there. There are good signs out there, there are things to be happy about. I won't argue with that at all. But there's also still plenty that doesn't look good as well. Unemployment numbers are one of those things, and many key elements to that statistic improving anytime soon are still severely lacking.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
All in how one looks at things, I presume, half full, or half empty, dear friend Eyore&gt;
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Depends on what it is. Is it a glass of sh*t? Cuz that I'd want to be half empty. Glass of baby blood? It again depends. Is it coming from or going to a baby? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

All depends on what it is.

If I were to offer you a bag of lemons once a week, what would you do with it?

Sack

pooltchr
11-08-2009, 02:32 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[ the unemployed, the numbers of which, since the onset of the crash, a year ago, had been predicted higher than they are right now, by some economists.


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Which economists? Certainly not Obama's economists, who told us that with the stimulus bill, unemployment would cap at 8%.

Either they didn't know what they were talking about, or you don't.

Steve

Gayle in MD
11-08-2009, 02:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Your common sense guy, thinks it's good news...Eyore.</div></div>

Indeed, even I said there is some good news. If only it was as black and white as that.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just found it interesting, as I glanced down the page of headlines from your link, that the one you chose to highlight at the outset, was the worst one, and no mention of any of the more encouraging ones...</div></div>

Because the unemployment numbers were the topic of conversation, as they have been monthly on here for quite some time. I didn't pick and choose what I wanted to highlight, it was the big top headline on the MSN homepage. And it was a primary selling point of stimulus as well... which I don't think we should forget that right now we are supposed to be at a shade under 8% with stimulus, and at 9% without it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One would think common sense, would include the awareness, that things could have been much worse by now, than they are. All in all, there are many good signs showing up, IMO. Unemployment, as I have said before, always the last segment of an economic collapse, to recover...</div></div>

I take no issue with anything you say right there. There are good signs out there, there are things to be happy about. I won't argue with that at all. But there's also still plenty that doesn't look good as well. Unemployment numbers are one of those things, and many key elements to that statistic improving anytime soon are still severely lacking.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
All in how one looks at things, I presume, half full, or half empty, dear friend Eyore&gt;
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Depends on what it is. Is it a glass of sh*t? Cuz that I'd want to be half empty. Glass of baby blood? It again depends. Is it coming from or going to a baby? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

All depends on what it is.

If I were to offer you a bag of lemons once a week, what would you do with it?

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Well, I don't what your insinuateing about baby blood, BUT

lol, well, we all know Bush left us not one, not two but many bags of sh*t!


We will continue to stimulate the economy in terms of jobs, with the remainder of the stimulus.

A second stimulus will probably be called for by a lot of economists, but in the meantime, I am glad that Democratics are doing what they can to lessen the burdens on the middle class, and the poor, with Health Care Reform, and by extending unemployment. Glad as well, that many police, firemen, and teachers, who woldn't have jobs right now, are working today, thanks to the stimulus.

Happy to learn that Pakistan is taking a tougher stand against al Qaeda and the Taliban, and also that our president isn't going by his "Gut" in determining the best way forward, and out of the Bush Quagmire in the Middle East, by holding extended, comprehensive meetings with experts, and inviting all of them to air their thoughts, instead of dictating, and then firing everyone who isn't a Yes Man.

Glad that he will not be sending money helter skelter to Pak and Afgh, unless they fight against the radical religious fringe in the M.E., and that he is smart enough to realize that finding the right strategy, is the key to making foreign policy decisions.

ITMT, I expect to see exactly what was predicted by the most respected economists, a slow but sure recovery.

That the right expected things to be booming already, is no surprise to me, since they also voted twice for Bush, hence, unrealitic expectations are their M.O.

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If you sent me some lemons, I'd make lemonaid, but if Bush sent them, guess you know what I'd do with them, huh?

WHAMO, there goes the right eye! WHAMO, there goes the left eye, WHAMO, there goes the right ball, etc.... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Meantime, cheer up, things could be far worse, and were, before Obama ever got into the White House....remember, we were heading into a record global depression, which Bush said would last as long as a decade, and we were facing his two unfinished wars, all his debts, a world that hated us, and we were already BROKE!

Now, We're still broke, nothing ventured nothing gained, perhaps, but atleast we're spending p[rinted money on saving money in the long run, and thinking of ways of helping Americans more than Iraqis, and also with reforms on health, energy and eventually, realistic tax reforms, once we have some recovery, and get things going forward, then we can raise taxes on the filthy rich, who stole all that moey from us in the first place....gouging and drunk betting us into the hole, along with their Free Market monkey.....

It's all good, Eyore. Cheer up, what if you were pregnant! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif

Sev
11-08-2009, 06:02 PM
You really are an ignorant wench.

wolfdancer
11-08-2009, 07:58 PM
I have no idea WTF you are referring to "thanks for the link" To what? I made no claims, to no "Rocky" style insider's info, but given that you have never had an original thought in your lifetime....you may have forgotten that others can write and think for themselves.

wolfdancer
11-08-2009, 08:01 PM
Say, there is no call for that kind of language being used here. I'm hoping that someone who actually gives a s**t about what you write, voices a strong objection to the powers that be. Congrats on your picking up a friendly shadow!!!

jayalley
11-08-2009, 08:05 PM
Sev-

Shame on you for calling that ignorant wench an ignorant wench.

What does it matter...we're supposedly all on ignore?

wolfdancer
11-08-2009, 08:21 PM
nothing like a second opinion to validate one's claims. Sev gonna be so happy

sack316
11-08-2009, 10:33 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Well, I don't what your insinuateing about baby blood</div></div>

Wasn't meaning to insinuate anything by baby blood (though it did now hit me how it could seem so considering other debates on this forum sometimes). But really, was just an example of outside thinking. Going to the next level of the thought process. We so often assume a "glass half full is better than a glass half empty", but really, doesn't it depend on what is in the glass?

Such as my question on what to do with lemons, which you answered exactly as I thought you would... though I must give bonus points on the Bush disclaimer! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif :

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you sent me some lemons, I'd make lemonaid,
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There is no "wrong" answer. It's one of those questions like "Why are manhole covers round?". It's one I've commonly used in interviewing practices to gauge how someone thinks, particularly in a business sense.

Make lemonade is the most common answer. It is what is "supposed" to be said. After all, it's taking nothing of relative value or use, and giving an end result of something of value or use.

But a critical thinker (I'm not saying you are not one, I'm speaking in general here) would find the details in the middle or alternative options. Perhaps selling the first weeks lemons for cash (or bartering them off) for supplies such as juicers, cups, pitchers, ice, a stand, etc. each week until one can efficiently produce and put the lemons to use effectively. This answer can get as detailed as one would like, but anyone should see the idea here as far as a thinking process goes.

Just taking lemons, and making lemonade, results in a lot of wasted lemons, sticky fingers, and unnecessary squeezing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

I see this as a problem in a lot of businesses, and in much of the way our government operates (past and present, mind you). We say "ok, here we are... this is what we've got, now let's take it and go there" and completely leave out the details in the middle.

We crank up our cars to go on a trip, and know where we want to end up... but leave out planning the entire route to get there. Sure we may get there eventually, but we may have wasted a ton of time and gas just winging it... or worst case miss the destination entirely.

Sack

wolfdancer
11-09-2009, 12:50 AM
Huh?

sack316
11-09-2009, 01:16 AM
exactly

Gayle in MD
11-09-2009, 01:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Well, I don't what your insinuateing about baby blood</div></div>

Wasn't meaning to insinuate anything by baby blood (though it did now hit me how it could seem so considering other debates on this forum sometimes). But really, was just an example of outside thinking. Going to the next level of the thought process. We so often assume a "glass half full is better than a glass half empty", but really, doesn't it depend on what is in the glass?

Such as my question on what to do with lemons, which you answered exactly as I thought you would... though I must give bonus points on the Bush disclaimer! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif :

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you sent me some lemons, I'd make lemonaid,
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There is no "wrong" answer. It's one of those questions like "Why are manhole covers round?". It's one I've commonly used in interviewing practices to gauge how someone thinks, particularly in a business sense.

Make lemonade is the most common answer. It is what is "supposed" to be said. After all, it's taking nothing of relative value or use, and giving an end result of something of value or use.

But a critical thinker (I'm not saying you are not one, I'm speaking in general here) would find the details in the middle or alternative options. Perhaps selling the first weeks lemons for cash (or bartering them off) for supplies such as juicers, cups, pitchers, ice, a stand, etc. each week until one can efficiently produce and put the lemons to use effectively. This answer can get as detailed as one would like, but anyone should see the idea here as far as a thinking process goes.

Just taking lemons, and making lemonade, results in a lot of wasted lemons, sticky fingers, and unnecessary squeezing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

I see this as a problem in a lot of businesses, and in much of the way our government operates (past and present, mind you). We say "ok, here we are... this is what we've got, now let's take it and go there" and completely leave out the details in the middle.

We crank up our cars to go on a trip, and know where we want to end up... but leave out planning the entire route to get there. Sure we may get there eventually, but we may have wasted a ton of time and gas just winging it... or worst case miss the destination entirely.

Sack



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Sack,
Whatever you do, drop out of that school you're going to. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

I've had many employees over the years. I wouldn't think of asking them that question. First of all, I wouldn't want them to think I was nuts!

Secondly, believe me, an ocean voyage requires that one plan for every detail, including but not limited to the weather, expected, and unexpected, extra boat parts, emergency gear, no detail is overlooked, even for just a day voyage, twenty miles offshore....it is the same when flying, the first detail, of course, the flight plan.

Not aiming this at you, either, but I wouldn't hire anyone whose thought process led them from a bag of lemons to a lemonade stand, unless they were six years old. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Ever heard of overthink? Intellectualizing is fun sometimes, but when interviewing potential employees, ones instincts and powers of observation are far more valuable than silly hypotheticals, IMO.

G.

sack316
11-09-2009, 12:45 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Sack,
Whatever you do, drop out of that school you're going to. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif</div></div>

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Funny. But really, such a style of question is not uncommon in interviews. Maybe not that one in particular, but you know what I mean by questions that check the thinking process and creativity. Pretty standard, really.

But you wouldn't want me to drop out of it! A) It's one of the best and most respected schools down here and B) It's pretty ultra liberal by Alabama standards /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've had many employees over the years. I wouldn't think of asking them that question. First of all, I wouldn't want them to think I was nuts!</div></div>

True. But all things equal among candidates, it sure is nice to know one's thinking process and orientation to detail and creativity.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Secondly, believe me, an ocean voyage requires that one plan for every detail, including but not limited to the weather, expected, and unexpected, extra boat parts, emergency gear, no detail is overlooked, even for just a day voyage, twenty miles offshore....it is the same when flying, the first detail, of course, the flight plan.</div></div>

Sigh... I can only imagine /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif Take me with! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Sack

wolfdancer
11-09-2009, 01:12 PM
Gayle, I didn't follow the thread very well, but the "questions" reminded me of the "German Brewery" questionnaire for prospective employees, that "Ma Bell" adopted. I lost out on a job with Georgia Bell, after topping the list on their applicant's test. Even though I knew what I was supposed to say....like " that ain't none of yer ***ken business" when they asked me a personal question, I tried to use reverse psychology and give them an honest answer. The interviewer was also trying to impress his new, from what I gathered, female assistant. Maybe he was hoping that by f**ken me out of a job, he could do something along those lines, to her later on...after maybe taking her out for a southern cuisine dinner of, Chitlins, and collard greens, and fried bananas for desert. (Sweet home, Alabama)
Reason I knew about it, was because Admiral Rickover used that technique, when interviewing young officers, that wanted to to join the Nuclear Sub program.
One of Hymen's er Hyman's favorite questions was, "when was the last time you got laid?" Giving him an answer put one on the path to disqualification.

Gayle in MD
11-09-2009, 01:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gayle, I didn't follow the thread very well, but the "questions" reminded me of the "German Brewery" questionnaire for prospective employees, that "Ma Bell" adopted. I lost out on a job with Georgia Bell, after topping the list on their applicant's test. Even though I knew what I was supposed to say....like " that ain't none of yer ***ken business" when they asked me a personal question, I tried to use reverse psychology and give them an honest answer. The interviewer was also trying to impress his new, from what I gathered, female assistant. Maybe he was hoping that by f**ken me out of a job, he could do something along those lines, to her later on...after maybe taking her out for a southern cuisine dinner of, Chitlins, and collard greens, and fried bananas for desert. (Sweet home, Alabama)
Reason I knew about it, was because Admiral Rickover used that technique, when interviewing young officers, that wanted to to join the Nuclear Sub program.
One of Hymen's er Hyman's favorite questions was, "when was the last time you got laid?" Giving him an answer put one on the path to disqualification. </div></div>

LOL, there is only one answer for that question....


ahhh...what time is it?

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