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Gayle in MD
11-19-2009, 06:41 PM
Videos here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dawn-teo/tea-party-protest-turns-v_b_360035.html

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tea Partiers tussled with counter protesters during at least two of the nationwide anti-immigration Tea Party rallies on Saturday.

In Ft. Lauderdale, several Tea Partiers brawled in the street with counter protesters from the Florida Chapter of Act Now to Stop War and End Racism (ANSWER).

The video, which was shot by Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC), shows two Tea Partiers with their own video cameras making their way through the area designated by police for counter protesters from ANSWER. As the Tea Partiers reach the end of the ANSWER group, one of the Tea Partiers can be seen having an argument with one of the ANSWER counter-protesters when that counter-protester pummels him with his sign.

The brawl quickly spilled into the road, with some joining in and some trying to break up the fight. By the end of the incident, both Tea Partiers were on the ground, being battered by counter-protesters. 62 year-old Dave Caulkett of Floridians for Immigration Enforcement says he was kicked in the face just before being let up from the ground.

Police did not intervene on the video, but sirens can be heard in the background. It is unclear why no police were present to keep the peace between the two opposing groups.

Video of the incident was posted by ALIPAC, an immigration control organization. It includes captions depicting the Tea Party perspective of the incident:

Friday, the day before the Tea Party rally, ANSWER sent out a provocative email, which is now being cited and criticized extensively in conservative blogs. The email included the following statement:

Racism is like anything else in this world: in order to make it fall, you must smash it! That is why we are calling on all people to come out tomorrow, to organize a militant confrontation with the so-called 'tea baggers.' Beating back these forces will require us to organize together, take the streets, fight the racists wherever they show their faces and drive them out of every community.
Also on Saturday, at the corresponding anti-immigration Tea Party rally in Phoenix, a Tea Partier got into a scuffle when a Neo-Nazi tried to unfurl a banner with Adolf Hitler painted on it. The incident was also caught on video:

UPDATE (Wed, Nov 18): HuffPost received a response from ANSWER last night. ANSWER alleges that the video tape is incomplete and that one of the Tea Partiers shown in the video came to the police-designated ANSWER area and attacked an ANSWER protester a few minutes before the tape begins. ANSWER also alleges that one of the Tea Partiers was swinging his tripod "in a threatening manner," which ANSWER alleges is also left out of the video. I spoke with an ANSWER spokesperson who says none of the ANSWER protesters were videotaping, and the only video available of the incident is from the Tea Partiers. HuffPost has been unable to obtain any other video.



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<span style="color: #000066">I can just hear the twist Fox will put on this.

Who didn't know this was coming.... just what these Tea Bagger nut were after from the start.

How long before a shoot out?

Wonder if the Republican Leadership will regret their support of the racist, dangerous signage and antiAmerican sentiment they have failed to speak against, when the shooting starts!</span>

cushioncrawler
11-19-2009, 07:13 PM
Krappynomicyst Paul Krugman (the Nobel Fraud) aint az bad az the average krappynomicyst it appears.
madMac.
--------------------------------Astroturfing allegations------------------------wiki
Allegations of "astroturfing" appeared in a Playboy article by Mark Ames and Yasha Levine in February 2009. The article was removed after libel claims, but no legal action materialized. The authors repeated and elaborated their allegations—that the tea party protests were a "carefully organized and sophisticated PR campaign . . . for the some of the craziest and sleaziest rightwing oligarch clans this country has ever produced," including the Koch family, Dick Armey and FreedomWorks—elsewhere.[85][86] On October 3, 2009, David H. Koch confirmed the allegations, admitting to launching the Tea Party protest movement at an Americans for Prosperity sponsored summit in Washington D.C.[87]

On April 9, 2009, the blog Think Progress claimed that most of the 2009 protests were conservative lobbyist-created "astroturf" projects and not spontaneous grassroots protests. Instead, Think Progress contended, the protests were nationally coordinated and organized by Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks.[4] The story was picked up in a New York Times op-ed column by economist Paul Krugman, writing that "the tea parties don't represent a spontaneous outpouring of public sentiment. They're AstroTurf (fake grass roots) events, manufactured by the usual suspects. In particular, a key role is being played by FreedomWorks, an organization run by Richard Armey."[88] On April 15, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi agreed, saying "it's not really a grassroots movement. It's astroturf by some of the wealthiest people in America to keep the focus on tax cuts for the rich instead of for the great middle class."[89] On the same day, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow commented, saying that "corporate-funded PR shops and lobbying groups have done a lot of the organizing and promotion for these events. That's controversial because it's astroturfing. It's disguising a formal top-down organized paid for things as if it's some spontaneous grassroots event."[90]

Participants vehemently deny the astroturfing charge. According to Atlantic Monthly, the three main groups that provide guidance and organization for the protests FreedomWorks, dontGO, and Americans for Prosperity state that the demonstrations are an organic movement.[69] Professor and lawyer Glenn Reynolds, best known as author of the Instapundit political blog, argued in The New York Post that: "These aren't the usual semiprofessional protesters who attend antiwar and pro-union marches. These are people with real jobs; most have never attended a protest march before. They represent a kind of energy that our politics hasn't seen lately, and an influx of new activists."[91] Tim Phillips, head of Americans for Prosperity, has remarked that the Republican Party is "too disorganized and unsure of itself to pull this off."[9]

sack316
11-19-2009, 07:32 PM
Did you even go to the video link and read what this is all about? Who turned it violent, IYO?

Sack

Sev
11-19-2009, 08:07 PM
Well I didnt her you say a word when a lib protester in CA bit the finger off an old man that was at a tea party goer.

This was months ago now. Lib violence was the first to arrive.

pooltchr
11-19-2009, 10:42 PM
She will never say anything about the libs that isn't good. She spends her days digging up anything she can find to support her hatred of the right.

She's losing it!

Steve

Gayle in MD
11-20-2009, 06:53 AM
You are right, Mac, it about the wealthy using the RW nuts for their own advantage, as usual. the original group of Teabaggers, were financed by various "non profit" (What a joke!) so called conservative think tanks, and the money has been traced right back to lobbyists for the medical, pharmceutical, and HC Insurance insudtries, with input from some PR firms who have represented the tobacco industry, in the past...and, in many cases, money for buses, and some say actual payment for attendance, included.

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typical shady Republican tactics...

G.
No one is better at creating outrage over imaginary injustices or threats than the modern-day right-wing.


G.

Gayle in MD
11-20-2009, 06:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you even go to the video link and read what this is all about? Who turned it violent, IYO?

Sack </div></div>

I think you are the one who didn't read the whole thing....there are two different statements included...and the protestors against the teabaggers, didn't have a clip, but stated that the teabaggers started the whole thing...

Not that it makes any difference to my original point, but then, seldom is my original point, in your focus.
http://www.adl.org/special_reports/rage-grows-in-America/
[quote] Rage Grows in America: Anti‑Government Conspiracies
Introduction: A Year of Growing Animosity
Since the election of Barack Obama as president, a current of anti-government hostility has swept across the United States, creating a climate of fervor and activism with manifestations ranging from incivility in public forums to acts of intimidation and violence.

What characterizes this anti-government hostility is a shared belief that Obama and his administration actually pose a threat to the future of the United States. Some accuse Obama of plotting to bring socialism to the United States, while others claim he will bring about Nazism or fascism. All believe that Obama and his administration will trample on individual freedoms and civil liberties, due to some sinister agenda, and they see his economic and social policies as manifestations of this agenda. In particular anti-government activists used the issue of health care reform as a rallying point, accusing Obama and his administration of dark designs ranging from “socialized medicine” to “death panels,” even when the Obama administration had not come out with a specific health care reform plan. Some even compared the Obama administration’s intentions to Nazi eugenics programs.

Some of these assertions are motivated by prejudice, but more common is an intense strain of anti-government distrust and anger, colored by a streak of paranoia and belief in conspiracies. These sentiments are present both in mainstream and “grass-roots” movements as well as in extreme anti-government movements such as a resurgent militia movement. Ultimately, this anti-government anger, if it continues to grow in intensity and scope, may result in an increase in anti-government extremists and the potential for a rise of violent anti-government acts.

Part One: Anger in the Mainstream
The Tea Parties
The rapid growth of anti-government anger in the wake of Obama’s election first became apparent in the spring of 2009, when conservative groups and grass-roots activists organized a nationwide series of anti-government rallies dubbed “Tea Parties.” At these events, and later sequels, anti-government sentiments and conspiracy theories proliferated, with a common theme being that somehow Obama had “stolen” the country from Americans.

The Town Hall Meeting Disruptions
More evidence of anti-government animosity appeared in the summer of 2009, when a variety of anti-government protests and disruptions occurred at town hall meetings organized by senators and representatives across the country to discuss healthcare reform. These events became a fertile ground for anti-Obama protests and stunts, with some protesters angrily launching verbal attacks against the president as well as other officeholders. A number of protests explicitly compared the Obama administration and its policies to Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.

A Building Anger
The angry protests at town hall meetings seemed to give a “green light” to expressions of anti-government and anti-Obama hostility, as when South Carolina Representative Joe Wilson shouted “You lie!” to Obama himself during a speech to Congress in September. Tea Party events in September, especially a large rally in Washington, D.C., itself, were characterized by extreme sentiments, including Nazi imagery, racist imagery, and imagery that implicitly or explicitly promoted violence. Other events, such as a “How to Take Back America” conference in Missouri and the rally against health-care reform held by conservatives in D.C. on November 5, 2009, saw similar expressions of anger.

The “Birther” Movement
More troubling than general expressions of anti-government hostility or anger has been the proliferation of anti-government conspiracy theories. One of the newest such theories, the so-called “birther” movement, which rapidly spread during and after the 2008 election campaign, targeted Obama himself. “Birthers” claim that Obama is not a legitimate president because he allegedly was not born in the United States (as the Constitution requires), but rather in Kenya. Especially disturbing are the mainstream media figures and politicians who implicitly or explicitly endorse the “birther” conspiracy theory, or refuse to condemn it. Two attorneys, Philip Berg of Pennsylvania and Orly Taitz of California, have been particularly active in spreading the “birther” arguments, as has an on-line right-wing newspaper, World Net Daily.

The Influence of the Mainstream Media
Though much of the impetus for anti-government sentiment has come from a variety of grass-roots and extremist groups, segments of the mainstream media have played a surprisingly active role in generating such segment.<span style='font-size: 17pt'> Though a number of media figures and commentators have taken part, the media personality who has played the most active role has been radio and television host Glenn Beck, who along with many of his guests have made a habit of demonizing the Obama administration and promoting conspiracy theories about it. Beck has acted as a “fearmonger-in-chief,” raising anxiety about and distrust towards the government.</span>Part Two: Anger on the Fringe
Alex Jones, the Conspiracy King
Further out into the extremist fringe, one person in particular has been responsible for stirring up anti-government and anti-Obama conspiracy theories in the United States. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Alex Jones, a Texas-based radio show host, has created a radio- and Internet-based conspiracy-oriented media empire, most of the content of which is devoted to promoting the notion of an over-arching conspiracy by malevolent globalists to take over the world and create a “New World Order” with high-tech slavery. Jones claims that the United States government itself is part of this </span>conspiracy, building concentration camps and preparing to implement tyrannical measures such as martial law and gun confiscation. Jones has been effective in promoting his conspiracy theories and has even appeared on some mainstream media shows.

Conspiracy Theories Imagine Government Plots
One of the most disturbing trends in the rise of anti-government animosity in 2009 has been the resurrection and proliferation of anti-government conspiracy theories, many of which had their origins in the early- to mid-1990s. More extreme than “birther” conspiracies, these theories allege dark, violent designs on the part of the federal government to declare martial law and end democratic government, to confiscate firearms from American citizens to render them defenseless, and to build hundreds of concentration camps to house “dissidents” and other liberty-loving Americans. Internet social media, including Web sites such as Myspace, Facebook, YouTube and Twitter, have allowed these theories to spread far and wide very rapidly.

Conspiracy Theories Prompting Action: Reaction to the Iowa National Guard Training
Though many anti-government conspiracy theories seem wild and fantastical, anti-government activists may nevertheless act on them as if they were true. The Iowa National Guard experienced this in early 2009 after a planned training exercise was reinterpreted by conspiracy theorists as an exercise in confiscating firearms from American citizens.

Conspiracy Theories Prompting Action: Richard Poplawski
Conspiracy theories also play in important role in radicalizing people, drawing them further towards extreme causes, and increasing their willingness to take extreme, even violent, action. A tragic example of this phenomenon occurred in Pittsburgh in April 2009, when a young man, radicalized by anti-government and white supremacist ideologies, especially since Obama’s election, allegedly murdered three Pittsburgh police officers responding to a 911 call.

Resisting the Government
Since Obama’s election, an increasing number of people have urged that he and his administration must be resisted. Some groups have even implicitly or explicitly urged armed resistance of some sort. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Many of these groups have appropriated an idealized version of Revolutionary War history for their own purposes, stressing the armed resistance of the American colonists to British “tyranny” and suggesting that Americans today should act as their revolutionary forebears did.</span>
The Oath Keepers
One manifestation of the ideology of resistance was the creation in March 2009 of <span style='font-size: 17pt'>the Oath Keepers, an anti-government group that tries to recruit police and military personnel and veterans. Members refuse to obey hypothetical “orders” from the government, “orders” that speak more to their own paranoid and conspiratorial beliefs than to any realistic government action.</span>The Three Percenters
The Three Percenters are a loosely organized movement whose adherents portray themselves as modern-day counterparts to Revolutionary-era patriots “committed to the restoration of the Founders’ Republic” and <span style='font-size: 17pt'>“willing to fight, die, and if forced by any would-be oppressor, to kill…”</span>

The Resurgence of the Militia Movement
One of the most troubling aspects of the rise of anti-government sentiment in 2009 has been a corresponding resurgence of the militia movement, an anti-government extremist movement that has had a <span style='font-size: 17pt'>long history of criminal activity and violence.</span> Within the past two years, the movement has almost quadrupled in size, growing to more than 200 groups across the United States. It is also the most receptive audience for the extreme anti-government conspiracy theories and their radicalizing potential. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Because of its history of criminal activity, the revival of this movement is of serious concern.
</span>G.
<span style='font-size: 17pt'>No one is better at creating outrage over imaginary injustices or threats than the modern-day right-wing.</span>

LWW
11-20-2009, 07:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you even go to the video link and read what this is all about? Who turned it violent, IYO?

Sack </div></div>

You can't blame a parrot for the words it learns.

What's funny is Gayle's own link clearly tells the story of the moonbats being the aggressors ... I mean, how dare a peaceful citizen obeject to being kicked in the face and beaten with a sign by a raging fascist!

For anyone interested the worst enemy of Gayle's arguments is included in the video. It's called <span style='font-family: Arial Black'><u>&gt;&gt;&gt;TRUTH&lt;&lt;&lt; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekW3HmlnYS4)</u></span>

And, for fellow history fans, it all began in Germany with followers of a charismatic leader and his followers who would take it to the street and beat those who dared oppose their statist agenda. He never could have attained national power without a fanatic base which would excuse any sin and repeat every lie and hate every enemy of the state.

LWW

LWW
11-20-2009, 07:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you are the one who didn't read the whole thing....there are two different statements included...and the protestors against the teabaggers, didn't have a clip, but stated that the teabaggers started the whole thing...

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So ... the fact that the available video evidence completely destroys the violent parties story makes no difference at all to you.

Actually, that's good. Confessing that you have a problem accepting reality is the first step.

LWW

pooltchr
11-20-2009, 08:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
...and the protestors against the teabaggers, didn't have a clip, but stated that the teabaggers started the whole thing...

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Well, there you go. The protesters said the other group started it, so it must be true!

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Steve

The left will believe anything their leaders tell them to believe!

eg8r
11-23-2009, 04:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you are the one who didn't read the whole thing....there are two different statements included...and the protestors against the teabaggers, didn't have a clip, but stated that the teabaggers started the whole thing...

Not that it makes any difference to my original point, but then, seldom is my original point, in your focus.
</div></div>So what you are saying is the Tea baggers should not have the right to speak, and there should be no more football games played in Philadelphia due to the violence that might happen in the stands.

eg8r

sack316
11-23-2009, 06:04 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think you are the one who didn't read the whole thing....there are two different statements included...and the protestors against the teabaggers, didn't have a clip, but stated that the teabaggers started the whole thing...

Not that it makes any difference to my original point, but then, seldom is my original point, in your focus.</div></div>

I believed your point to be that there was violence at something tea-party related, and you'd like to present it as the fault of the right wingers that violence occurred.

Nevermind that there was yet to be violence at any of these rallies. Nevermind that the only actual evidence shows the OTHER side instigating the violence that did occur (but hey, who needs video when your guys say it happened another way? Why, I bet they'd be willing to pinky swear on it too!).

And then a bunch of stuff on anti-american sentiment and rebellion growing in the country.

First, there is/has/ and always will be some level of that as long as we have partisan politics here.

Second, the group you blame is (or so I though) shrunken so small that they are irrelevant anymore anyway?

RW= big, scary and dangerous when one is fear mongering.

RW= small, stupid, and obsolete when one wants to brag for their own team.

I think I catch on to your points much better than ya think /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Sack

LWW
11-24-2009, 09:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Gayle in MD]
I think you are the one who didn't read the whole thing....there are two different statements included...and the protestors against the teabaggers, didn't have a clip, but stated that the teabaggers started the whole thing...
Sack
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Gayle is merely attempting yet another tactical retreat from yet another crash and burn attack.

LWW