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Deeman3
11-20-2009, 01:22 PM
<span style="color: #FF0000">Ain't it nice to be a member of the club? </span>



WASHINGTON - The Senate ethics committee on Friday admonished Sen. Roland Burris, D-Ill., for making "inconsistent, misleading or incomplete" statements about the circumstances surrounding his appointment to the seat once held by Barack Obama. The committee recommended no action beyond the letter.

Burris was appointed by disgraced former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, who was impeached and driven from office after he was accused of trying to sell the Senate seat.

The committee cited at least one example, a phone conversation with the governor's brother, where Burris linked his willingness to raise funds for the governor with appointment to the Senate.

pooltchr
11-20-2009, 01:32 PM
Surprised? When has anyone from the left had any issue with lying by one of their own?

Steve

Gayle in MD
11-20-2009, 02:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="color: #FF0000">Ain't it nice to be a member of the club? </span>



WASHINGTON - The Senate ethics committee on Friday admonished Sen. Roland Burris, D-Ill., for making "inconsistent, misleading or incomplete" statements about the circumstances surrounding his appointment to the seat once held by Barack Obama. The committee recommended no action beyond the letter.

Burris was appointed by disgraced former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, who was impeached and driven from office after he was accused of trying to sell the Senate seat.

The committee cited at least one example, a phone conversation with the governor's brother, where Burris linked his willingness to raise funds for the governor with appointment to the Senate.

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<span style="color: #000066">LMAO! Since when do you care about political ethics...aren't you the guy who approved of illegal rendition, and TORTURE! They're STILL finding black sights where Bush sent people to be tortured, AND the DOJ, WILL come out with more, as they have already recommended to the National Barr Association, that both Yoo and the other attorney who helped Bush and Cheney re-write the constitution and the Geneva conventions definition of TORTURE, lose their rights to practice LAW!

IT was illegal!

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Deeman3
11-20-2009, 02:39 PM
That certainly can be decided in a court of law. However, the wholesale political scandals that have gone on in this administration have no equal when you look at all those under ethics investigation but, fortunately for them, came along at the exact time an administration has so many tax cheats and guys stuffing money in freezers that they don't even look at the sweet mortgange deals for the top Democrats, the "overlooked" income of others.

Now you complain about the same type of rendition that the Obama folks are continuing unchanged. At least Bush allowed them to be captured on the battle field where they are now being executed so he does not have to deal with a Gitmo on his watch. Not bad policy but certainly strange no one on the left is gripping about it when Obama does it. Too busy fighting Fox News and worrying ablut Palin? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

wolfdancer
11-20-2009, 04:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> However, the wholesale political scandals that have gone on in this administration have no equal </div></div>
I'm afraid that I would have to somewhat disagree with you on that, if you care to go back as far as the Nixon admin.

pooltchr
11-20-2009, 08:36 PM
Considering we are still in the first year of his administration, I would say Obama is well on track to claim the top spot in the scandle game.

Steve

sack316
11-20-2009, 10:49 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMAO! Since when do you care about political ethics...aren't you the guy who approved of illegal rendition, and TORTURE! They're STILL finding black sights where Bush sent people to be tortured, AND the DOJ, WILL come out with more, as they have already recommended to the National Barr Association, that both Yoo and the other attorney who helped Bush and Cheney re-write the constitution and the Geneva conventions definition of TORTURE, lose their rights to practice LAW!

IT was illegal!

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The CIA was granted permission to use rendition in a presidential directive signed by US President Bill Clinton in 1995.

According to Richard Clarke:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">'extraordinary renditions', were operations to apprehend terrorists abroad, usually without the knowledge of and almost always without public acknowledgment of the host government.... The first time I proposed a snatch, in 1993, the White House Counsel, Lloyd Cutler, demanded a meeting with the President to explain how it violated international law. Clinton had seemed to be siding with Cutler until Al Gore belatedly joined the meeting, having just flown overnight from South Africa. Clinton recapped the arguments on both sides for Gore: "Lloyd says this. Dick says that. Gore laughed and said, 'That's a no-brainer. Of course it's a violation of international law, that's why it's a covert action. The guy is a terrorist. Go grab his ass. </div></div>

Source: Richard Clark Enemies pp. 143-144

As these black sites continue to get discovered, let's just remember they aren't all Bush's. We've been doing this for a while (long before Clinton too, mind you)... to his credit, Obama is the only one to actually do something to end the practice.

Sack

Gayle in MD
11-21-2009, 07:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That certainly can be decided in a court of law. However, the wholesale political scandals that have gone on in this administration have no equal when you look at all those under ethics investigation but, fortunately for them, came along at the exact time an administration has so many tax cheats and guys stuffing money in freezers that they don't even look at the sweet mortgange deals for the top Democrats, the "overlooked" income of others.

Now you complain about the same type of rendition that the Obama folks are continuing unchanged. At least Bush allowed them to be captured on the battle field where they are now being executed so he does not have to deal with a Gitmo on his watch. Not bad policy but certainly strange no one on the left is gripping about it when Obama does it. Too busy fighting Fox News and worrying ablut Palin? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066"> If you're trying to suggest that there have been more convictions of Democratics since Obama took office, than during the Bush Administration, that is truly a huge lie.

Jefferson, the only one,....any other indictments with convictions? NO.

And, Obama has forbidden torture, and is currently working to close GITMO, even with Republicans doing everything they can do to slow up the process, just like they have consistantly done, after their universal party agreement to block everything, in order to see Obama fail, regardliess of the consequences for the country.

G.
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Gayle in MD
11-21-2009, 07:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMAO! Since when do you care about political ethics...aren't you the guy who approved of illegal rendition, and TORTURE! They're STILL finding black sights where Bush sent people to be tortured, AND the DOJ, WILL come out with more, as they have already recommended to the National Barr Association, that both Yoo and the other attorney who helped Bush and Cheney re-write the constitution and the Geneva conventions definition of TORTURE, lose their rights to practice LAW!

IT was illegal!

[/color] /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif </div></div>

The CIA was granted permission to use rendition in a presidential directive signed by US President Bill Clinton in 1995.

According to Richard Clarke:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">'extraordinary renditions', were operations to apprehend terrorists abroad, usually without the knowledge of and almost always without public acknowledgment of the host government.... The first time I proposed a snatch, in 1993, the White House Counsel, Lloyd Cutler, demanded a meeting with the President to explain how it violated international law. Clinton had seemed to be siding with Cutler until Al Gore belatedly joined the meeting, having just flown overnight from South Africa. Clinton recapped the arguments on both sides for Gore: "Lloyd says this. Dick says that. Gore laughed and said, 'That's a no-brainer. Of course it's a violation of international law, that's why it's a covert action. The guy is a terrorist. Go grab his ass. </div></div>

Source: Richard Clark Enemies pp. 143-144

As these black sites continue to get discovered, let's just remember they aren't all Bush's. We've been doing this for a while (long before Clinton too, mind you)... to his credit, Obama is the only one to actually do something to end the practice.

Sack </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066">If you know of a case where Bill Clinton deliberately sent suspected terrorists to countries where they would be tortured, after having paid others to turn tem in wholesale, please let me know about it....

There is legal, and illegal rendition. Torture, is always illegal. Bush deliberately sent people on scant evidence, to countries where they would be tortured, basically outaourcing torture.

No Comparison, IMO.

G. </span>

sack316
11-21-2009, 12:50 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you know of a case where Bill Clinton deliberately sent suspected terrorists to countries where they would be tortured, after having paid others to turn tem in wholesale, please let me know about it....

There is legal, and illegal rendition. Torture, is always illegal. Bush deliberately sent people on scant evidence, to countries where they would be tortured, basically outaourcing torture.

No Comparison, IMO.

G. </div></div>

Yes, the illegal rendition is called "extraordinary rendition". Which is what holds its roots in Clinton's era... while Bush grew the practice to huge proportions.

I don't think any torture is directly linked to Clinton, as it has been Bush. But somehow, IMHO, I doubt people were sent to places like Egypt for a friendly sit down and a cup of coffee, even pre-Bush.

Sack

Gayle in MD
11-21-2009, 01:28 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you know of a case where Bill Clinton deliberately sent suspected terrorists to countries where they would be tortured, after having paid others to turn tem in wholesale, please let me know about it....

There is legal, and illegal rendition. Torture, is always illegal. Bush deliberately sent people on scant evidence, to countries where they would be tortured, basically outaourcing torture.

No Comparison, IMO.

G. </div></div>

Yes, the illegal rendition is called "extraordinary rendition". Which is what holds its roots in Clinton's era... while Bush grew the practice to huge proportions.

I don't think any torture is directly linked to Clinton, as it has been Bush. But somehow, IMHO, I doubt people were sent to places like Egypt for a friendly sit down and a cup of coffee, even pre-Bush.

Sack </div></div>

I don't think Clinton ever sent them to Egypt. At least, I've never heard or read that he did.

G.

jayalley
11-21-2009, 08:35 PM
Speaking of ethics , Gayle, I wouldn't want you to miss the Holocaust Denial forum that now runs on Amazon. Just the thing for your Sunday coffee and pastry...bash a few Jews.

llotter
11-22-2009, 10:46 AM
The Left has a very long history of lying and cheating, going back, in my memory, to Kennedy's election over Nixon. That history is so long that it has become second nature to them and they just assume everyone has the same ends-justify-the-means habit as they themselves do.

eg8r
11-23-2009, 04:26 PM
Hmmm, why did you ignore the post? Was it because anything negative about a Dem cannot be discussed with you?

eg8r