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wolfdancer
11-27-2009, 12:39 AM
have to be, to believe that you are providing exclusive commentary on this site, and that if someone reads your "8th grade level" post, they are going to learn something?
We all have access to the same media....and then it's just a matter of how we interpret that data.
Unless the member here that I have in mind, is also hearing voices in his head...I'd just advise him to post his thoughts and ideas, and drop the "instructional" idiocy part of his posts.

pooltchr
11-27-2009, 08:46 AM
How big of an ego does one need to make a comment like that?

Steve

wolfdancer
11-27-2009, 09:14 AM
My comment was about someone else's ego....I ain't the one running around here claiming to have special insights, and that anyone that disagrees with me is.......
I also didn't mention anybody's name that I had in mind, but if the shoe fits....

LWW
11-27-2009, 09:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">have to be, to believe that you are providing exclusive commentary on this site, and that if someone reads your "8th grade level" post, they are going to learn something?</div></div>

How wrong do you have to be to believe that you can read, write, and comprehend at an 8th grade level?

LWW

LWW
11-27-2009, 09:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We all have access to the same media....and then it's just a matter of how we interpret that data.</div></div>

The first step is to access that data.

Sadly, you have opted out.

LWW

LWW
11-27-2009, 09:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My comment was about someone else's ego....I ain't the one running around here claiming to have special insights</div></div>

Trust me ... nobody thinks that you have "special" insight at all, unless special is used in the context of "special" education and "special" finance.

LWW

wolfdancer
11-27-2009, 10:00 AM
I guess that you took offense at my statement:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We all have access to the same media....and then it's just a matter of how we interpret that data. </div></div>
Here I am, claiming that I don't need you, or the other three "what the left doesn't get" crew...to explain the news to me.

LWW
11-27-2009, 10:09 AM
I have to give it to you ... you present your closed mind like a badge of honor.

LWW

llotter
11-27-2009, 10:26 AM
Call it sympathy, call it charity, call it pity or call it just human nature, there is a natural inclination to help the less fortunate among us. One too often tries to enlighten those who have been poorly uneducated and who always seem to reach the wrong conclusion.

That emotional desire to be helpful, however, does tend to turn into something much stronger and more aggressive and maybe even a state that you may call 'whacked out' when those wrong conclusions are being legally forced on everyone against their will. Thus, we may be witness to a brewing revolution that Jefferson envisioned as nourishing the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots.

LWW
11-27-2009, 11:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thus, we may be witness to a brewing revolution that Jefferson envisioned as nourishing the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots. </div></div>

<span style='font-family: Arial Black'><span style='font-size: 20pt'>"The roots of the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."</span></span>
<span style='font-size: 17pt'>-Thomas Jefferson-</span>

Not that the OP, nor his handlers, will comprehend the fate that awaits the leadership of their beloved state if they do not back away from the edge of the abyss.

LWW

wolfdancer
11-27-2009, 11:49 AM
Wow !!! so now I am a socialist, communist???
You are only about 60 some years too late with your Joe McCarthy imitation....or is that your Charlie McCarthy portrayal?
I'm guessing after reading your posts......that your dog walks you?
There isn't anything to silence me on, because:
#1 I don't make claims, just comment on what I have read or viewed
#2 you don't have brains enough to challenge my philosophy, and you don't have a clue about it in the first place. You are a liar, and a slanderer, for claiming I am a socialist....which in your, er, brain is the same as a Communist.
Everything that occurred worldwide, as I was growing up, would have turned me against communism
I was too young to really understand WWII, but I do remember the Berlin Wall, and the Communist threats of that era, had family members fighting in the Korean War, lived in a predominantly Czech neighborhood,( in Ohio) and their social hall was in my apt building, and I heard many, many stories about what happened to their country under communism. As a Catholic, my first recollection of Communist oppression was the imprisonment of Cardinal József Mindszenty,
"the head of the Roman Catholic Church in Hungary. He became known as a steadfast supporter of Church freedom and opponent of communism and the often brutal Stalinist persecution in his country. As a result, he was tortured and given a life sentence in a 1949 show trial that generated world-wide condemnation, including a United Nations resolution." (Wiki)

We said prayers daily, for his release.
While you are too **** to understand that what you,and especially llotter writes,... is just "Demagogy", I have copied
those means below.
From Wiki: a couple of famous demagogues: Hitler, and the aforementioned role model(?) of yours, Sen. Joe
Also from wiki:
"some of the means used by demagogues to promote their agenda"
...and again, while you do this unknowingly, completely unaware of the fallacies of your posts....I believe llotter and lww being way smarter then you, have intentionally mastered some of these techniques:


"Apples and oranges — mixing of incomparable quantities. For example, "Our government has increased social spending by 5 billion dollars, while the previous government increased it only by 0.4%." The latter sounds like less, but one cannot be sure without an absolute value.

Half-truth — making statements that are true only in a strict and relatively meaningless sense. For example, "The opposition has accused us of cutting foreign aid, but actually our government spends more than 500 million dollars in foreign aid," not mentioning that (adjusted for inflation) the allocated funds have in fact gone down.

False authority — relying on the general authority of a person who is not proficient in the discussed topic. For example, "The professor read my book, and liked it very much," omitting the fact that it was a professor of chemistry who read a book on history.

False dilemma — assuming that there are only two possible opinions on a given topic. For example, "You're either with us or against us...," ignoring the possibility of a neutral position or divergence.

Demonization — identifying others as a mortal threat. Often this involves scapegoating — blaming others for one's own problems. This is often advanced by using vague terms to identify the opposition group and then stereotyping that group. This allows the demagogue to exaggerate this group's influence and ascribe any trait to them by identifying that trait in any individual in the group. This method can be aided by constructing a false dilemma that portrays opposition groups as having a value system that is the polar opposite of one's own, as opposed to simply having different priorities. This method was incorporated by the Nazi regime to gain the general support of the public when it began to initiate its anti-Semitic policies.

Straw man — mischaracterizing the opposing position and then arguing against the mischaracterization.

Loaded question — posing a question with an implied position that the opponent does not have, e.g. "Do you still beat your wife?"

Unrelated facts — bringing unrelated facts that sound in favor of the speaker's agenda. For example, marking a vegetable or cereal product as "cholesterol free". Since cholesterol is only found in animal products, such labeling does not actually distinguish this product from similar competitors.

Emotional appeal or personal attack — attempting to bring a discussion to an emotional level. For example, "Everyone is against me!", "Can't I be right just once?", "You're stupid!", or just the classic retort "Shut up!"
Which reminds me...either prove your half-baked claims, or ...
well, you know what follows ...or.....
I think your vast readership here, is diminishing rapidly, yours, llotter's, lww's. It's all boiler plate crap, and nothing new...just the same tired idiotic claims that you, personally, can't back up, because if it wasn't on Fox news, or in the "Observer"...your only other source of "insider's info" and "really important sh*t, that you want to have as many peoples as possible read,is:
.... the drunk on the next bar stool. In fact, that's where you should limit your political analysis....the local bar.
That way, when your "news" doesn't quite make an impression, you can always claim you were too drunk to know what you were saying, instead of, here, where you have no excuse.
I see the "rottweilers", have smelled blood, have joined in on our private conversation, and are now on the attack.
I have no desire to read any more of whatever it is they are writing about themselves as "Übermensch", or trying to compare others poorly to themselves.
Their must be a separate site somewhere on the net, for egocentric blowhards, where they can practice their trade......if I want to vomit, instead of reading their internal terrorist propaganda,I'll buy some Syrup of Ipecac
So.....how many card carrying Communists are you claiming, are on this site????????????

wolfdancer
11-29-2009, 08:20 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Call me irresponsible - call me unreliable
Throw in undependable too
</div></div>
You really are wasting your time,as well as several others here, and boring the crap out of me with these 6th grade homilies of yours....the words keep slightly changing but the meaning remains the same....you are vastly, intellectually and morally superior to 1/2 of the USA pop. by virtue of casting your vote for the Republican candidate. May I remind you that was just the Diebold voting machine that you touched, not the obelisk from "2001"
BUT, you really should thank me, as I am one of the few that actually reply to these lww style grandiose posts....say, there's a thought....you aren't another "Monty Burns" internet identity of his, are you?
I just now considered the idea that while he needs to get his important message out to as many as possible....besides posting on several forums...he could also have several identities on the same forum....he could actually be both talking to and complimenting himself....mind-boggling

Gayle in MD
11-30-2009, 11:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Call me irresponsible - call me unreliable
Throw in undependable too
</div></div>
You really are wasting your time,as well as several others here, and boring the crap out of me with these 6th grade homilies of yours....the words keep slightly changing but the meaning remains the same....you are vastly, intellectually and morally superior to 1/2 of the USA pop. by virtue of casting your vote for the Republican candidate. May I remind you that was just the Diebold voting machine that you touched, not the obelisk from "2001"
BUT, you really should thank me, as I am one of the few that actually reply to these lww style grandiose posts....say, there's a thought....you aren't another "Monty Burns" internet identity of his, are you?
I just now considered the idea that while he needs to get his important message out to as many as possible....besides posting on several forums...he could also have several identities on the same forum....he could actually be both talking to and complimenting himself....mind-boggling </div></div>


Anyone who praises a coward and a murderer, has no respect for the laws of our country, and has no credibility, or honor, at all.

G.

wolfdancer
11-30-2009, 03:09 PM
My new idea, since I can't seem to avoid the site itself, is to at least cut back on replying to the ones here that I consider to be
nothing but "bigoted, braggarts".I already have a couple on my "do not disturb", list. A couple of them seem to me as though they are "gaining knowledge" /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif from their own posts as they construct them. They appear to begin with some kind of generic reply, and by the end of their post, they have become experts on the subject matter. We'll know if my conjecture is correct, when they begin quoting themselves /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">as I wrote in the past, and was supported in this conviction, by a recent post of mine .... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif </div></div>

pooltchr
11-30-2009, 03:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My new idea, since I can't seem to avoid the site itself, is to at least cut back on replying to the ones here that I consider to be
nothing but "bigoted, braggarts".I already have a couple on my "do not disturb", list. A couple of them seem to me as though they are "gaining knowledge" /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif from their own posts as they construct them. They appear to begin with some kind of generic reply, and by the end of their post, they have become experts on the subject matter. We'll know if my conjecture is correct, when they begin quoting themselves /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">as I wrote in the past, and was supported in this conviction, by a recent post of mine .... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif </div></div> </div></div>

It seems odd that you would actually be posting this list of your biggest irritants to the one person on the forum who it more guilty of all those things than any 5 other posters.

Steve

wolfdancer
11-30-2009, 04:17 PM
Sorry, while I appreciate the somewhat surprisingly, "calm" message of your post, you are one that I choose for the most part not to reply to. You wish to post as a teacher, and I am not interested in that type of discourse:
http://www.ericberne.com/images/DSC007093.jpg
As you can see the lines will cross..not the way people carry on a normal conversation.
I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from replying directly to me as it is my idea that you do this only to impress others. I find that to be in poor taste, and wonder why you just can't impress those same people with your own "brilliance, instead of relying upon exploiting the lower intellect of others?

...thanks for your future compliance
I'm sure that Gayle is as irritating to you as say, llotter and what's his face...er, lww are to me.
But why would I cite her when she is merely engaged in tit for tat,(no pun intended) and I am basically in agreement with most of her posts?
Being a gentleman of the first order myself, with the idea that
the true strength of argument comes from mutual respect, I am limited by my own code of civility in my replies, and therefore appreciate Gayle assisting me through her posts, in dissipating any internal anger that I might have...

pooltchr
11-30-2009, 05:53 PM
What a crock! You suck up to her because she never challenges you and you never challenge her...you both feed at the same troth.

I've told you many times that I'm not out to impress anyone...unlike you and Gayle, who play the one-upmanship game with each other as to who can impress the other one the most. Throw in an occasional bone you toss to Q, and you have your nice little team of back-scratchers.

And it still hasn't occured to you that you are in a steadily shrinking minority.

Run along now, little man. Go see what Gayle wants you to say next.

Steve

wolfdancer
11-30-2009, 07:53 PM
I have already asked you in a gentlemanly fashion, to stop replying to me, and instead you choose not only come back with an insulting post, but to drag Gayle's name through the mud,as well....even though she was not a party to the original posts.Totally uncouth, and totally uncalled for.
I regret having to reply to you once again....but please stop shadowing my posts,replying with these " schoolboy hate messages" (that's how they read to me)... for whatever reason it is, that you do that. I have little desire to continue this foolishness with you. With your permission, I'll forward these posts to the admin and let him decide which one he wants to remove from the site.
Either way, with the downward spiral of the site,begun by lww, and fostered further by both you and llotter (that is my opinion...yours may slightly differ) I would only miss the postings of a few here, including my good friend Gayle, that I assume with your "feeding at the trough" comment...you did write "troph", but may not have meant:
Web definitions for troth:
betrothal: a mutual promise to marry ( she is already happily married )
I'm assuming then, that is your way of implying that she is a pig?, or a cow?
You even managed to insult Q in your reply, and to the best of my knowledge, he has never insulted you, personally, but does post and provide many links which disagree with your dogma....again, your comments were totally uncalled for. A gentleman of the first order like myself would never entertain such a tactic, insulting a third party... to try to insult the party with whom he is having an issue with
As to your "Rapidly shrinking minority" comment....that's probably the most disturbing part of your post....in your "world"??? there is no room for minorities to express their opinions??????
you should include that idea to further your cause, in any comments that you send to the admin here.

Gayle in MD
12-01-2009, 10:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Call it sympathy, call it charity, call it pity or call it just human nature, there is a natural inclination to help the less fortunate among us. One too often tries to enlighten those who have been poorly uneducated and who always seem to reach the wrong conclusion.

That emotional desire to be helpful, however, does tend to turn into something much stronger and more aggressive and maybe even a state that you may call 'whacked out' when those wrong conclusions are being legally forced on everyone against their will. Thus, we may be witness to a brewing revolution that Jefferson envisioned as nourishing the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots. </div></div>

You are so full of **** it's amazing.

You honor a murderer, and then talk about others legally forcing their will against others?

What a crock of stinking **** you are!

Stuff it! Bush and the Republicans forced their will upon this country and over five thousand Americans are dead now, and hundreds of thousand of Iraqis, are dead now, all for what? All because Cheney wanted contracts for his oil cronies, and Bush, wanted to settle a family grudge for his Da Da, and show the world that he wasn't Da DA's whimp son! Then you want to compare Democratics trying to address a national health care crises, that is devastating our economy, as forcing people against their will, when it is completely optional!

What an idiot! Bush ran the country into unprecedented debts, and Obama has to spend money to prevent a global depression, while you A-Holes from the right, try to blame the whole thing on a man who inherited the worst national disasters of all times.

Bright bunch of little idiots we have on here, you among the top on the list...

G.

wolfdancer
12-01-2009, 02:35 PM
If it weren't for the stupid crap that someone else here constantly writes....I would find llotter's claims that he is as pure and noble as Sir Lancelot, coupled with his Solomon like judgments of others....he would be the more troubling.
Way I figure it...one of them is a genuine jerk, the other one is having some fun, j*****G off the board; trying to see how much idiocy the other one, and others like him, will buy into

pooltchr
12-01-2009, 03:05 PM
You should easily be able to recognize a genuine jerk. It would be nearly identical to what you see in your mirror every morning.

Steve

Gayle in MD
12-01-2009, 04:11 PM
Once again, you fail to understand, that you have written that same post a hundred times...

Once again, you fail...

You fail...

You...

wolfdancer
12-01-2009, 04:42 PM
Gayle, he is like the "boy that cried wolf", after awhile you just ignore him.....he responds to every post I make... (and my last name ain't even Pavlov)...with some banal reply, that often doesn't even "match" the post.
I sent him a pm earlier, about one of his not too clever posts...much better then dragging it out here.
Pull up his last 50 or so posts....and they only contain insulting garbage, as opposed to verbiage....all potatoes, and no meat....."ain't nothing there, there" It's my belief that he knows the one thing that really gets to me is stupidity, and he's trying his best to use that weapon of his, to remove me from this board.
'course I could be wrong.
If I was as intelligent and all knowing as both he and llotter claim to be, and anywhere near as virtuous and moral as llotter portrays himself to be....I would not be wasting my time here.
I would be seeking out others that I could both share and learn from.
Arguing here, as they do. with the few of us left to defend the fort...doesn't sound all that bright to me

pooltchr
12-01-2009, 05:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Once again, you fail to understand, that you have written that same post a hundred times...

Once again, you fail...

You fail...

You...
</div></div>

Was I talking to you?????????????????

Steve

wolfdancer
12-01-2009, 05:40 PM
I think she heard the echo......