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llotter
11-27-2009, 03:21 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Washington (CNN) -- Rhode Island's top Roman Catholic leader has asked Rep. Patrick Kennedy to stop taking Communion over his support for abortion rights, the diocese said Sunday. </div></div>

The question in my mind is, 'What of the Catholics who vote for Kennedy, knowing his position, shouldn't be held equally responsible?' There is an old label, 'Cafeteria Catholics' used to describe Catholics that think that they should be able to pick and choose what moral standards that they follow, must like atheists claim.

wolfdancer
11-27-2009, 04:00 PM
Amazing how you were able to interpret this news item about Kennedy and his moral dictates, and the local Bishop's ruling against him,and use that to make an ex-cathedra ruling from your chair, condemning all Catholics who vote for him, while also implying that there is little difference between Catholicism and Atheism.
Kind of a big ...leap of faith.
No more far out though then your "a vote for Obama is a vote for Hitler, (or is it now Stalin" claim)
As I wrote before......people are getting both bored and sickened by posts like that

cushioncrawler
11-27-2009, 04:05 PM
What the Bible says about Abortion (skeptiks annotated bible).

----------------------Abortion is not murder. A fetus is not considered a human life.
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23

------------------------The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old.
And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

-------------------------Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.
Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16

---------------------God sometimes approves of killing fetuses.
And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers 31:15-17 (Some of the non-virgin women must have been pregnant. They would have been killed along with their unborn fetuses.)

Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. -- Hosea 9:14

Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. -- Hosea 9:16

Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16

----------------God sometimes kills newborn babies to punish their parents.
Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. -- 2 Samuel 12:14

-------------------God sometimes causes abortions by cursing unfaithful wives.
The priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell. And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. ...
And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. -- Numbers 5:21-21, 27-28

-------------------God's law sometimes requires the execution (by burning to death) of pregnant women.
Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. -- Genesis 38:24

llotter
11-27-2009, 04:32 PM
Gee, I think I was merely asking a question the answer to which I don't know. I sort of guess there is a good answer and was hoping to gain some understanding. I admire the Bishop for taking such a stand and have often wondered why the Church has been so silent on many such crucial issues.

I certainly did not condemn all Catholics, only a small jab at the so-called 'Cafeteria Catholics'. And I also didn't make a comparison with atheists but only made an observation about some apparently having the similar source of moral understanding, i.e. self.

I don't think I have ever said that 'a vote for The Moron is a vote for Hitler' and anything very close. I have predicted that we are facing some very major economic problems because of his policies. That we will face much violence in the streets and the imposition of an ineffectual marshal law. It may well seem like Nazi Germany in many obvious ways before the next election and even that may not save us.

Maybe you can see what I meant in the other thread about coming to the wrong conclusions.

wolfdancer
11-27-2009, 04:41 PM
We probably would have needed another 4-5 consecutive terms of Southern Baptist Presidents, to get some of those penalties enacted into law, and adopted as amendments to the Constitution.

wolfdancer
11-27-2009, 05:13 PM
I used a little poetic license to augment what I feel is behind your statements/ your many condemnation posts....where you place yourself in a position of being able to pass moral judgment upon others, and most of those "you'll rot in Hell for eternity" pronouncements thatare issued by you, are for the simple act of one exercising their Constitutional right to vote as they deem fit, for the person of their choice, not yours .....(Judge not, lest ye be judged) People have died to uphold that right.
People my age remember what happened when (Bob)Moses went down to Mississippi in the summer of 61, to free the slaves from the oppression by the Philistines, and the tragedy that ensued.
We don't need you to tell us how to vote, nor to condemn our vote because we didn't buy into the Big Brother ticket.
Sorry, but you and the rest of the Philistines here, will have to wait at least 8 more years, before you can renew your attack on the constitution
(philistine - anti-intellectual: smug and ignorant and indifferent or hostile to artistic and cultural values)

pooltchr
11-27-2009, 07:14 PM
It isn't necessary for you to say anything at all for the lefties on here to twist things to make it sound like you did.
Wolfie calls it poetic license.
The truth is, they don't need to be truthful...poetic license in his mind is a license to lie about nything or anyone he doesn't like.
He has already made it quite clear that actual facts are not a requirement for anything he decides to post.

Steve

llotter
11-27-2009, 07:22 PM
Oh yes, let us not ever be so crude as to try to distinguish right from wrong or, even worse, call wrong just what it is. Who's to say? It is certainly not politically correct to be...dare I say 'judgmental'.

This is exactly the moral relevancy argument that has been leading our society to the brink of disaster. The only unforgivable wrong that the Left recognizes is to dare call anything wrong. This is specifically and intentionally anti-Christian and it is designed to undermine the moral basis of our society so that it can transformed into a statist society where the individual is only there for the economic value they contribute to the state/community.

Now, why don't you tell me why those who vote for Kennedy shouldn't be held to the standard that the Church says is right for Kennedy. He is, after all, only a conduit for his constituents, the voters.

wolfdancer
11-27-2009, 10:01 PM
Well, I have made peace with the Lord over my Kennedy vote, and now
I am invoking from the Bible.
Psalms 3-7 (http://bible.cc/psalms/3-7.htm)

"The "stalkers" are demons and if there are demons, then there is a God. Here a direct quote from the Holy Bible Ephesians 6:12 (New King James Version) " For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."

wolfdancer
11-28-2009, 02:24 AM
What I surmise then from your many posts, and this one....is that it addition to hating Democrats, you also hate Catholics, considering them to be akin to Atheists,... you must have enjoyed reading then about Nov. 22, 1963 ?
You believe that Jimmy Carter is to blame for both 9/11 and the recent mortgage crisis, believe that the Clinton/Lewinski affair was the most morally corrupt act ever, by a politician. And You also believe that GWB saved the country from further attack by Saddam, and New Orleans from further destruction (thanks to his quick intervention), and that President Obama is both an illegal alien, and the Manchurian Candidate... a plan fiendishly devised some 40+ years ago????

pooltchr
11-28-2009, 08:34 AM
What I surmise from his post isn't that he hates anyone...only that he is questioning how anyone who claims to follow the beliefs of the Catholic church can justify supporting someone who has taken a stand against the teachings of the Catholic church, but who claimed to be a member of the church.

That isn't hatred. It's just questioning apparent hypocracy...something that seems to be difficult for you to recogtnize.

Steve

Chilled
11-28-2009, 10:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Washington (CNN) -- Rhode Island's top Roman Catholic leader has asked Rep. Patrick Kennedy to stop taking Communion over his support for abortion rights, the diocese said Sunday. </div></div>

The question in my mind is, 'What of the Catholics who vote for Kennedy, knowing his position, shouldn't be held equally responsible?' There is an old label, 'Cafeteria Catholics' used to describe Catholics that think that they should be able to pick and choose what moral standards that they follow, must like atheists claim. </div></div>

They might as well. It seems the Catholic Church itself has a track record of picking and choosing what moral standards their own priests can follow. They shouldn't surprised if their flock does likewise.


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20091126/tpl-sex-abuse-report-shames-irish-cathol-ee974b3.html

Hundreds, possibly thousands of cases of sex abuse of children by priests in one diocese in Ireland blatantly covered up by the Catholic Church, often leaving the priests in place with opportunity for further abuse. Given that this attitude was prevalent throughout the Church movement it is suggestive of probable many thousands of similar cases in USA and tens of thousands, if not more, worldwide.

cushioncrawler
11-28-2009, 04:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chilled</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hundreds, possibly thousands of cases of sex abuse of children by priests in one diocese in Ireland blatantly covered up by the Catholic Church, often leaving the priests in place with opportunity for further abuse. Given that this attitude was prevalent throughout the Church movement it is suggestive of probable many thousands of similar cases in USA and tens of thousands, if not more, worldwide.</div></div>The irish catholicks exported sex abuse to Ozz.
I woz the smallest kid at christian brothers primary school -- i didnt stand a chance -- Sobbb!!!!
madMac.

wolfdancer
11-28-2009, 04:51 PM
Mac, no question, that we have the record for sex abusers amongst the clergy. I think many enter the Seminary before they reach sexual maturity, and think their calling, will help them overcome any temptations. Only Person that ever worked for, they nailed Him to a cross.
what i read into these sick posts....(seems they got tired of just picking on Democrats and liberals, and now have a new target, Catholics)..it seems to me they want to have it both ways...denounce the Catholic clergy, then denounce the Catholic lay people for not following their clergy's directive's
It's just more bigotry....
I think sometimes that llotter is just trying to be a "shockjock"
He's bored, as "Sonoma" and a few others were, here by the lack of any real intellectual debate.

llotter
11-28-2009, 08:51 PM
As someone who has consistently decried the decay of our culture, especially the moral decay, obviously I was not attempting to participate an attack on the source of traditional values. I would remind you that it is the Left that is relentless in their attacks on Christianity and it is the Left that promotes the sort of behavior that any good Catholic would not want to expose their children to.

I was more than happy to hear that the Bishop was taking some action against a politician and wish that Catholics would follow suit and take some action also and stop voting for those who promote very un-Catholic values.

LWW
11-29-2009, 01:15 AM
You sir are advocating personal responsibility, independent thought, and non reliance upon the state.

How can you possibly expect wolfie to grasp such conceptswhen he currently fears not being on a leash?

LWW

wolfdancer
11-29-2009, 03:54 AM
I understand from previous posts of yours that we Democrats don't contribute to the economy, don't pay our fair share of taxes, send our kids to public schools at taxpayer's expenses, and do not serve in the military. We are, according to you socialists, communists, and welfare recipients,livng off of the sweat of others, and despite all this free luxury, are trying to overthrow the Government and install Socialism. AND, when we do occasionally work, we join Unions, and make all kinds of socialist demands like fair wages, Pensions, overtime pay, and vacations.............AND.....Health Insurance............... And Now it seems we are all both Cafeteria Catholics and atheists, destroying the moral fiber of this country....did you forget to mention the Satanic rituals that we preform in our Black Mass,.... Communion and wine are called by our Wiccans "the Body and Blood of our Savior"?
Well, I think between your claims, and Steve, adding in his inflammatory remarks after each post that I make to someone else, not him... he does that to try to escalate the original "jawing" into some ...whatever, he has in mind???
And now the latest member here, who is writing his own scripts, complete with my supposed comments in them...and with the added commentary that I wouldn't be denying his allegations if we were in a pool hall....it's just a little too much of a running bad joke for me.
Your crew has recently run off Hondo, Dick Leonard, and now Gayle, after running off Sonoma and a couple of other posters that tried to raise the bar, in the past. Ain't nobody left but Mac and I, and he's safe in Australia from any repercussions here. I just read about a 24 yr old man, working in a fast food restaurant in the Bay Area. A 27 yr old woman didn't like his hair style, and when he went outside for a break, she killed him.
I don't know how crazy the people are here that targeted Gayle, Dick, and maybe???, myself, and I don't feel like being a target for a physical assault, or worse, for my political and religious affiliations.
I think I recognize the wording of one of the latest posts directed at me, as something almost word for word, from someone thrown off of this board in the past....but I could be wrong. I'd guess though he is looking for some physical confrontation?
I don't keep my pistol loaded, living in a pretty safe neighborhood, and frequently having my friends kids over, with the full run of the house. But, who knows...maybe somebody on here doesn't like my hair style, either???

wolfdancer
11-29-2009, 05:26 AM
You should take your complaints to #1....the Pope! You are after all asking a theological question....we believe in sins of omission, as well as sins of commission....and our inaction, according to you would fall into the first category. And after He tells you to ***,you'll have some more anti-Catholic rhetoric to entertain and enlighten the troops here with. I believe you have already picked up one acolyte.
While you are trying to tear down the Catholic religion.....why not proclaim your own branch....Southern Bible Baptist, Jehovah's Witness, or maybe Christian Science?...I have lived and worked for a reader in that religion,and have been to the Mother Church in Boston, and read up on Mary Baker Eddy. Also think the Christian Science Monitor is a great weekly paper.
My own favorite though, is the Congregationalists....but I fear they are way too liberal for someone of your tastes. My shipmate's car broke down in Old Saybrook, Conn..right in front of the "Lafayette house", so called because Gen. Lafayette had stayed there on his return trip to our country after the rev. war. It also happened to be the home of the Minister and his family. Meeting them through him, we had an open invitation to stay there on the weekends, and I sometimes assisted him in setting the Church up for services.
No fire and brimstone, no snake handling....and in our many talks he never once said anything against the Catholics...even lent me his car for me to attend Mass.
Of course he wasn't as ecclesiastically trained as you....but if there is a heaven, I'm sure he is there, along with my Mother, a devout Catholic, who also didn't know she was violating your canonical law by not protesting....and her most grievous sin, she thought the world of JFK, as did I....

Qtec
11-29-2009, 05:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Washington (CNN) -- Rhode Island's top Roman Catholic leader has asked Rep. Patrick Kennedy to stop taking Communion over his support for abortion rights, the diocese said Sunday. </div></div>

The question in my mind is, 'What of the Catholics who vote for Kennedy, knowing his position, shouldn't be held equally responsible?' There is an old label, <u>'Cafeteria Catholics' used to describe Catholics that think that they should be able to pick and choose what moral standards that they follow</u>, must like atheists claim. </div></div>


You mean Cafeteria Catholics like these guys?



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Catholic church in Ireland covered up child abuse, says report</span>

<u><span style='font-size: 20pt'>The Roman Catholic church in Dublin covered up decades of child abuse committed by priests because bishops wanted to protect the church's reputation at the expense of victims,</span></u> an expert commission reported today after a three-year inquiry into previously secret church records.

Abuse victims said they welcomed publication of the investigation into the mishandling of child abuse cases from 1975 to 2004 in the Dublin archdiocese, home to a quarter of Ireland's 4 million Catholics. But they said government and church leaders had not compensated for past wrongs.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>The government said the investigation "shows clearly that a systemic, calculated perversion of power and trust was visited on helpless and innocent children in the archdiocese".</span>

"The perpetrators must continue to be brought to justice, and the people of Ireland must know that this can never happen again," said the government, which apologised for the state's failure to hold church authorities accountable to the law.

This is <span style='font-size: 17pt'>the second major government-ordered report this year</span> exploring how and why Irish authorities permitted <u>widespread abuse of boys and girls at the hands of the Catholic church throughout most of the 20th century, the gravest scandal in the history of independent Ireland.</u>

The 720-page report, delivered to the government in July, <u>analyses the cases of 46 priests against whom 320 complaints were filed. The men were selected from more than 150 Dublin priests implicated in molesting or raping boys and girls since 1940.</u><span style="color: #990000">Note: this report ONLY deals with the Dublin archdiocese !!!!</span>

The report named 11 priests because they all were convicted of child abuse. But 33 others were referred to only by one-name aliases, and two others had their names blanked out after the Dublin high court ruled that publication would prejudice their chances of receiving a fair criminal trial.

Investigators spent three years poring over 60,000 previously secret Dublin church files. They were handed over by the Dublin archbishop, Diarmuid Martin, a veteran Vatican diplomat appointed to the Irish capital in 2004 with a brief to confront the scandal. Among the files were more than 5,500 Martin's predecessor, the retired cardinal Desmond Connell, tried to keep locked in the archbishop's private vault.

The investigators, led by a judge and two lawyers, said they had <span style='font-size: 14pt'>no doubt that the 46 priests were responsible for abusing many more than 320 children.</span>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>"One priest admitted to sexually abusing over 100 children, while another accepted that he had abused on a fortnightly basis during the currency of his ministry which lasted for over 25 years," they wrote. They said it was not their job to confirm the scale of abuse cases, but "it is abundantly clear child sexual abuse by clerics was widespread throughout the period."</span>

The commission found that three archbishops of Dublin John Charles McQuaid (1940-72), Dermot Ryan (1972-84) and Kevin McNamara (1985-87) did not tell police about clerical abuse cases, instead opting to avoid public scandals by shuttling offenders from parish to parish.

It was not until 1995, seven years into his reign, that then-archbishop Connell allowed police to see church files on 17 clerical abuse cases. The documents were kept in a secret, locked vault in the archbishop's Dublin residence. Records show Connell had records of complaints against at least 29 priests at the time.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>The report rejected the bishops' key claim that they were ignorant of the scale and criminality of priests' abuse of children. It dug up a documentary trail showing that the Dublin archdiocese negotiated a 1987 insurance policy for future legal costs of defending lawsuits and compensation claims.

<u>The investigators said McNamara, Ryan and McQuaid knew about at least 17 priests linked to child abuse in their archdiocese when that policy went into effect.

"The taking out of insurance was an act proving knowledge of child sexual abuse as a potential major cost to the archdiocese and is inconsistent with the view that archdiocesan officials were still 'on a learning curve' at a much later date, or were lacking in appreciation of the phenomenon of clerical child sex abuse," the report said.</u>
</span>
In May the government published an investigation into decades of child abuse in Catholic-run schools, workhouses and orphanages. That investigation also found that thousands of boys and girls suffered rape, beatings and mental abuse by members of Catholic religious orders. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>More than 12,000 of those victims</span> have received compensation payments from a government panel exceeding 800m (730m).</div></div>



Q......

Chilled
11-29-2009, 06:06 AM
Surprised nobody posted that already lol.

pooltchr
11-29-2009, 09:15 AM
I am impressed with the diversionary tactics taken by some on this thread. The original post was about how good Catholics can justify supporting someone who claims to be a good Catholic, but takes a public stand against one of the main edicts of the church. So rather than stay on topic, it becomes an attack on the church itself.
The sex scandals of the Catholic church are widely known, and, IMO, quite repulsive. But they have absolutely nothing to do with the point of this thread.

Steve

llotter
11-29-2009, 02:38 PM
Yes, Steve, the Left is so blinded by their hate. It makes no sense to condemn Catholicism for the actions of a few but while the Left is guilty of many things, it is definitely guilty of having any common sense.

cushioncrawler
11-29-2009, 02:52 PM
Catholic Church -- wiki.
Main article: Eucharist (Catholic Church)
See Mass (Catholic Church) for Catholic worship in the Latin Rite and Divine Liturgy for worship in the Eastern Catholic Churches.

The Catholic Church teaches that when the bread and wine are consecrated in the Eucharist, they cease to be bread and wine, and become instead the Most Precious Body and Blood of Christ. The empirical appearances are not changed, but the reality is. The consecration of the bread (known as the host) and wine represents the separation of Jesus's body from his blood at Calvary. However, since he has risen, the Church teaches that his body and blood can no longer be truly separated. Where one is, the other must be. Therefore, although the priest (or minister) says, "The body of Christ", when administering the host, and, "The blood of Christ", when presenting the chalice, the communicant who receives either one receives Christ, whole and entire.

The Catholic Church sees as the main basis for this belief the words of Jesus himself at his Last Supper: the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew 26-28; Mark 14:22-24; Luke 22:19-20) and Saint Paul's 1 Corinthians 11:23-25 recount that in that context Jesus said of what to all appearances were bread and wine: "This is my body this is my blood." The Catholic understanding of these words, from the Patristic authors onward, has emphasized their roots in the covenantal history of the Old Testament. The interpretation of Christ's words against this Old Testament background coheres with and supports belief in the Real Presence.[21] In 1551 the Council of Trent officially defined that "by the consecration of the bread and of the wine, a conversion is made of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord, and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of His blood; which conversion is, by the holy Catholic Church, suitably and properly called Transubstantiation." [22] The attempt by some twentieth-century Catholic theologians to present the Eucharistic change as an alteration of significance (transignification rather than transubstantiation) was rejected by Pope Paul VI in his 1965 encyclical letter Mysterium fidei In his 1968 Credo of the People of God, he reiterated that any theological explanation of the doctrine must hold to the twofold claim that, after the consecration, 1) Christ's body and blood are really present; and 2) bread and wine are really absent; and this presence and absence is real and not merely something in the mind of the believer.

cushioncrawler
11-29-2009, 02:55 PM
I like the oldendays style of communion. The priest held the wafer -- and u got a whiff of alterBoy.
madMac.

wolfdancer
11-29-2009, 04:23 PM
You are impressed that when you turn the light switch on the room and the darkness disappears. too bad nuthin like that will ever happen for your brain.
Oops, I forgot....(how soon they forget) you and your new friend, llotter, are both intellectually, and now morally superior, to a growing list of groups of people...Democrats, Liberals, and now Catholics.
Maybe when your group ...the "Present Day Saints" regains power, you can begin to burn Catholics at the stake.
You two were probably born without original sin, AND.....drum roll
With the "Wisdom of Job" (uh, that's Johab, not Steve Jobs)
Interestingly enough, one chapter re Job would seem to apply to
both your claims that Catholics are inherently evil:
"This chapter may be seen as Job's rebuke to the shortsighted wisdom of his antagonists, an effort to demonstrate that their limited theological outlook was false. Seen as a disclaimer to their accusations that he was not fearing God and needed to turn from evil"
If either of you two "men of God" ever make it to heaven, you may be shocked to see a multitude of Catholics there....they will be playing Bingo of course, but despite LLotter's premature final judgment proclamations....they will be there. On the other hand, hatred, vanity, false pride, may present a minor glitch for your holier then thou crowd.
As to staying on point...there is no logical point to this pos, bigotry post. As per usual....you make some wild charges up in your mind, usually from the subliminal messages that you receive while watching Herr Beck, and think it's up to the people that you are trying desperately to smear....to disprove them.
I believe your(s) manifesto that you are "good" only works when you convince yourselves that others are evil.
As for staying on point....what do you think my chances are of playing golf in Dubai, with llotter on the bag, and a nude sarah Palin keeping score for me?.....(that should give you a great opening for one of your ******* "zinger" replies.

wolfdancer
11-29-2009, 06:04 PM
Of course.... it is the left, and only the left that is responsible for the moral decay, financial crisis, road rage, and the fact that we haven't found Bin Laden, nor them Saddam WMDs
In point of fact, all criminal acts, and moral abuses are perpetrated by the left....it's "right" there in your Bible:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Evil shall slay the wicked, And those who hate the righteous will be condemned. </div></div>
This should probably ease your mind then, as their punishment is preordained...no need to exact you own vengeance, ala, yer hero
Psalms (http://http://bible.cc/psalms/34-21.htm)

wolfdancer
11-29-2009, 09:15 PM
If you had researched your sources a little more thoroughly, instead of just diving into the swimming hole head first at low tide.....BUT, with your concerns about being "scooped" by someone else here, and never one to pass up on an opportunity for another hack job, etc....
you might have found out that this occurred in 2007, and the Bishop just advised Kennedy to stop taking communion,... not banned him!!!!!!!!!!
AND that Kennedy himself exposed this as it was being used to obstruct the proposed national health bill, which the right opposes.
I understand that the costs will be hard to control....but as a Catholic, we place a higher value on human lives then on $$$, despite the currency having "In God We trust" imprinted on it.
My own idea is that it is inhumane to deny health care to a child of poor parents, but I'm sure that will be addressed on the day of final judgment.
I think Kennedy should go on "I've got a Secret" with his secret being " I took communion, despite..."
Off the subject, and Steve will be complaining once again to the admin 'bout that....here's another secret from the past...
I didn't know he had done this at such an early age...wow!!!
I would have been still trying to master the multiplication tables.

Secrets (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKM4MNrB25o)

wolfdancer
11-30-2009, 01:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> it is definitely guilty of having any common sense. </div></div>
Many thanks for your kind remark...I've often said
I just wish I could say something as nice re: your dimwitted counterparts here..., but, alas!...such words fail me
"O would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves as others see us." R. Burns

wolfdancer
11-30-2009, 02:47 AM
Seems like I have read that same post by you a hundred times before.
the scenario goes like this...a friend of yours posts, someone replies, disagreeing to what was said...Gayle, Dick, Q, etc, and you jump in, not with anything factual that would support your side, or undermine the other side....but just some boiler plate pre-teen insult. I hope you know how to copy and paste...it would save you a lot of typing.....
"If the left, what the left...." ...WTF.

llotter
11-30-2009, 07:06 AM
Of course, I have not in this thread or any other thread made any attack on the Catholic Church. I have only asked why Catholics continue to vote for politicians that support abortion when their church is so strongly against it. It Catholics and other religious voters did the right thing, the abortion debate would die instead of the babies.

The fact is that I greatly admire the Catholic Church for its history and good works and solid support of good morals. I hope you are not in the habit of simply repeating the same lie over and over as does your friend Gayle.

pooltchr
11-30-2009, 08:12 AM
Congratulations, Wolfie.
You have moved from the ranks of annoying, straight to the top of the boring list!

Steve

Qtec
11-30-2009, 10:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The original post was about <u>how good Catholics can justify supporting someone who claims to be a good Catholic,</u> but takes a public stand against one of the main edicts of the church. </div></div>

Bishops and their superiors supported and protected paedophiles for years, and ruined many lives in the process and <u>Kennedy is the Bad Guy?</u>.

Kennedy is not a priest. He is in DC to represent the wants of those who elected him , not to represent his religion.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But they have absolutely nothing to do with the point of this thread.

Steve </div></div>

I disagree.

Tweety gets to the heart of the matter..with the Bishop (http://richarddawkins.net/articles/4668)

Q

Gayle in MD
11-30-2009, 10:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It isn't necessary for you to say anything at all for the lefties on here to twist things to make it sound like you did.
Wolfie calls it poetic license.
The truth is, they don't need to be truthful...poetic license in his mind is a license to lie about nything or anyone he doesn't like.
He has already made it quite clear that actual facts are not a requirement for anything he decides to post.

Steve </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He has already made it quite clear that actual facts are not a requirement for anything he decides to post.

Steve </div></div>

That statement describes you, not Wolf. I got an e-mail where you apparently stated that I had said that Bush should listen to the Generals on the ground in Iraq.

That's a lie. I often stated that he should have listened to the Generals who told him not to go into Iraq in the first place.


Everything you write about people from the left, is a lie.

When it comes to lying, you run a close second to Jayally, the bigtgest liar on this site.

G.

pooltchr
11-30-2009, 11:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The original post was about <u>how good Catholics can justify supporting someone who claims to be a good Catholic,</u> but takes a public stand against one of the main edicts of the church. </div></div>

Bishops and their superiors supported and protected paedophiles for years, and ruined many lives in the process and <u>Kennedy is the Bad Guy?</u>.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Again, you are trying to divert attention from the point. You are saying the church is bad so Kennedy supporters are justified. The point is, people who claim membership in the church should be supporting the edicts of the church. If they don't believe in them, why are they members of the church? Whether or not the church is good is not the point. The point is, if you believe in the church, why don't you denounce someone who goes against their teachings? </span>

Kennedy is not a priest. He is in DC to represent the wants of those who elected him , not to represent his religion.
<span style="color: #FF0000">Kennedy was not a priest, and as an individual, he will have to justify his actions in support of abortion to a much higher authority. But the post isn't even about him. It is about his supporters who claim to be good Catholics, but are not bothered by his stand against the church. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But they have absolutely nothing to do with the point of this thread.

Steve </div></div>


Q

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<span style="color: #FF0000">Just for once, let's address the question.

How can anyone claim to be a practicing Catholic, and support abortion at the same time?

Steve </span>

wolfdancer
11-30-2009, 04:45 PM
I've always wanted to be #1 ...thanks for the compliment!!!

wolfdancer
11-30-2009, 05:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When it comes to lying, you run a close second to Jayally, the biggest liar on this site. </div></div>
Flattery will get you nowhere with him. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Some people post here, expressing a valid but opposite viewpoint,.).e.g. Dee, Sack) from say, yours, or mine. Others reply, just to attack and insult...I'm trying to limit my replies to the former....
and then there is llotter who I believe is just having some fun at the board's expense...trying to outdo the field with outrageous remarks, and see if the "fish are biting today"
I wouldn't doubt that he is laughing at both groups...the ones that take offense, and the ones that try to side with him (especially them) I think any day now, he'll try to contend that the earth is indeed flat,that the JFK, RFK, and MLK, shootings were planned and staged by the left....etc., and sit back and enjoy the results.

Qtec
12-01-2009, 05:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You are saying the church is bad so Kennedy supporters are justified. </div></div>

No. I am saying that the Church is being hypocritical and interfering in politics.

Did you watch the video? The Bishop had no answer!

Abortion is legal for a reason.

Q


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute -- <span style='font-size: 14pt'>where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote</span> -- where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference -- and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish -- where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches, or any other ecclesiastical source -- <span style='font-size: 20pt'>where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials -</span>- and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

-- John F Kennedy, address to the Ministerial Association of Greater Houston, September 12, 1960, from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom</div></div>

Is this your America?

Gayle in MD
12-01-2009, 09:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Of course, I have not in this thread or any other thread made any attack on the Catholic Church. I have only asked why Catholics continue to vote for politicians that support abortion when their church is so strongly against it. It Catholics and other religious voters did the right thing, the abortion debate would die instead of the babies.

The fact is that I greatly admire the Catholic Church for its history and good works and solid support of good morals. I hope you are not in the habit of simply repeating the same lie over and over as does your friend Gayle. </div></div>


Repeating lies?

That Bush lied us into Iraq by finxing the intelligence to fit his predetermined agenda to invade Iraq, to settle a personal family score, killing four thousand five hundred Americans in the process?

Repeating lies? Like Bush ruined our honor by torturing innocent people, hiding them away in secret prisons, breaking the rules of the Geneva conventions?

Repaeting Lies? That Scooter Libby took the fall for Dick cheney, when he decided to blow the secret cover of a covert NOC CIA Agent, in order to retaliate against Joe Wilsons, who blew away Cheney/Bush lies about Saddam trying to get Yellow Cake?

The fact is, you call truth, a lie.

As for Kennedy, we have freedom to worship, or not worship, in this country, and any connection between religion, and politics, is completely inappropriate, according to the Constitution of the United States Of AMerica. WE have Seperation Of Church and State, and that major assurance, provided by our founders, has been breached by the Republican Party consistantly, as they have exploited organized religion, while behaving in ways which are as copmpletely against the word of Jesus, and against the principles of Christianity, as it is written.

YOU, admire a murderer. YOU approve of lawbreaking. YOU expouse lies, hatred, and your own self created mythology, which is the antithesis of patiotism. You supported the worst president in our history, who ran our country into a pit of debt, for NOTHING! ON LIES! Wasted blood and treasure, because HE LIED ABOUAT IRAQ&gt;

If anyone needs to reconsider their votes, it surely isn't those who vote for Patrick Kennedy, it is people like YOU who write lies, hail murderers, voted for the Bush/Cheney Fiasco, and still refuse to acknowledge the facts of their damage against the best interests of America.

To praise a cold blooded murderer, as you do, is despicable! It also proves that you have no understanding of, or appreciation for the necessity for maintaining a democratic, peaceful society, the lynchpin of which is the law of the land.

Gayle in Md.

Qtec
12-01-2009, 09:50 AM
When an order/org [ its just not the Cat Church] criticises a person on their abortion stance, while for years and years they have been aiding and abetting the cover up of Priests/Boy Scout leaders etc. who are buggering young boys ,then yes, you are a hypocrite. You should STFU and beg for forgiveness.
Most of them should be in jail.

If a black single mother let her boyfriend abuse her 8 yr old son and it came to court, would she walk free?
If a Bishop sends a pedo Priest to a boys svholl where he is free to abuse once more, should the Bishop walk free?

Q

Gayle in MD
12-01-2009, 10:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The original post was about <u>how good Catholics can justify supporting someone who claims to be a good Catholic,</u> but takes a public stand against one of the main edicts of the church. </div></div>

Bishops and their superiors supported and protected paedophiles for years, and ruined many lives in the process and <u>Kennedy is the Bad Guy?</u>.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Again, you are trying to divert attention from the point. You are saying the church is bad so Kennedy supporters are justified. The point is, people who claim membership in the church should be supporting the edicts of the church. If they don't believe in them, why are they members of the church? Whether or not the church is good is not the point. The point is, if you believe in the church, why don't you denounce someone who goes against their teachings? </span>

Kennedy is not a priest. He is in DC to represent the wants of those who elected him , not to represent his religion.
<span style="color: #FF0000">Kennedy was not a priest, and as an individual, he will have to justify his actions in support of abortion to a much higher authority. But the post isn't even about him. It is about his supporters who claim to be good Catholics, but are not bothered by his stand against the church. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But they have absolutely nothing to do with the point of this thread.

Steve </div></div>


Q

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<span style="color: #FF0000">Just for once, let's address the question.

How can anyone claim to be a practicing Catholic, and support abortion at the same time?

Steve </span> </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066">Of all the totaly stupid stances you've taken over the years, this onw truly stands out as oe of the most absurd.

Do you think that Catholics didn't use birth control when the church forbade it?

Do you think that every person who belongs to any organized religion, Catholic or otherwise, believes in every single tenent of their church?

Do you really think it's any of your business what any other person thinks or feels about their religious philosophy?

Typical of the right, that they want to push their stupidity on others, regardless of the fact that what people do in their private life, as long as they do not hurt others, or break the law, is none of your damn business.

Hence, STFU! Some people think that charging money for pool lessons is a racket! LMAO!</span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

pooltchr
12-01-2009, 12:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[Hence, STFU! Some people think that charging money for pool lessons is a racket! LMAO![/color] /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif </div></div>

And some people thing ignorant old bitter hateful uninformed women should follow their own advise.

If I want your opinion, I can just go wipe my a......

Steve

wolfdancer
12-01-2009, 02:15 PM
Gayle, I wish that you would stop picking on Steve, as he is has come down with a terrible illness, and needs sympathy instead, of you telling him how ignorant he is. I think he already knows that after rereading his own posts...
Sadly, he now has foot and mouth disease....every time he opens his mouth, he puts his foot into it.
Did you know though, that he, llotter and lww are now a "microcosm for the voice of the true Americans"...you know, the ones that try to shout down, and use other means to quiet any voices of dissent, and then using this "intimidating" methodology, he proudly announces that his goon gang is the majority, and that there is no room for any minority opinion.
Please get your site up soon, as he and llotter are going from a laughable petty annoyance, to upsetting my digestive tract.
Let them have this message board...since they have ganged up, and run off some members here that I had respect for their intellect (like Sonoma), and that were interesting to read.
"Run them off" is not quite correct,....made them ill enough to quit, would be the truth.

pooltchr
12-01-2009, 03:02 PM
You beg and plead with me to not post to you, and then you post something this stupid, and wonder why I don't abide by your request.

Since nobody could possibly be as ignorant as you pretend to be on here, I must assume it is all an act to get sympathy from others.

Either that, or you are just a jerk.

My opinion leans toward the latter.

Steve

wolfdancer
12-01-2009, 03:43 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since nobody could possibly be as ignorant as you pretend to be on here </div></div>
I'm not pretending...this is the real package
Well, I'll concede that one of us is a real jerk....since I believe your "microcosm" report...to be the stupidest thing I have read on this board, and I've been here for a few years now...nice site until your crowd decided to take it over and run off any good members that didn't buy into your versions of reality.
Seig Heil !!!
So if your "majority" opposes my thoughts re that.....I guess that is your proof?

Gayle in MD
12-01-2009, 03:52 PM
Who cares about your opinions when you've shown your ignorance over and over again, no matter how much you deny your former ignorant statements...such as...

"Debts don't matter" Yeah, Cheney said that too, while he and his partner in crime were robbing the country for eight years....

Wolf and I laughed about that one for months..."brilliant economist, huh wolf...now he's aying debts don't matter...BWA HA HA HA...what kind of idiot makes that kind of statement....is he a bubba or something? Hey, do they have banks in the south?"

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

for all your condescending introductions, preceeding your posts, "Once again you fail to understand...."

You are an idiot!

Now, go whining to the moderator agains, wha wha wha,...she's being mean to me, wha wha wha...


Bubba!

pooltchr
12-01-2009, 04:56 PM
LMAO!
Couldn't keep me on ignore, could you? You are as obsessed with me as you are with the last president!

You and Wolfie are two big windbags. Wolfie sends me PM's all the time crying about how bad I treat you and him on the board.

And I will say the same thing right here that I told him in the PM...if you don't like it here, find someplace else and see how long you can last before someone sees you for what you really are...a spiteful, ignorant, blowhard that is so full of hatred you can't even see straight.

I pity you.

Steve

wolfdancer
12-01-2009, 05:49 PM
"Abide????" Who uses words like "abide", dude?
You mean like:
Abides (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYsw0KVRjCM)

wolfdancer
12-01-2009, 06:11 PM
Wolf sent you one pm and told you to STFU, as you were beginning to embarrass yourself with your ignorant blather, and insipid rhetoric, and that was just me trying to help you out. I didn't want to publicly comment. I guess your "stern and informative", imaginary reply got lost somewhere out on the ethernet??? ....with any luck ,it'll remain lost.
And while imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...I begun calling you a "blowhard" the other day....you really should come up with your own original quip for Gayle.
But just Another lie of yours...you didn't tell me crap...yet...and now it will have lost it's impact.
You keep trying to get the two of us off the board....but then think, think of how your own posts will stick out like a sore thumb!!!!
YOU pity her????????? WTF /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
You need a reality check....

Gayle in MD
12-02-2009, 02:20 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMAO!
Couldn't keep me on ignore, could you? You are as obsessed with me as you are with the last president!

You and Wolfie are two big windbags. Wolfie sends me PM's all the time crying about how bad I treat you and him on the board.

And I will say the same thing right here that I told him in the PM...if you don't like it here, find someplace else and see how long you can last before someone sees you for what you really are...a spiteful, ignorant, blowhard that is so full of hatred you can't even see straight.

I pity you.

Steve </div></div>

Yeah, I write one post to you, for your one hundred to me, and I'm the one obsessed with YOU!

If that statement doesn't prove your total disconnect with reality, nothing else could come any closer.

If there is anyone on this site who exemplifies hatred, and addiction to nasty posts, to ME, it's you, bubba. Now go get your stick, and see if you can't swindle someone else out of some of their hard earned money...


And you can quite with the BS about teaching Professional players, none of them come your way, unless they are racking up the numbers to get their own BCA approvals, and even then, it isn't YOU they come to, it's Randy's Pool School..... You can't name a single professional who has ever come to YOU for lessons, if you could, you'd have been on here bragging about it long ago.

Jack never writes you crying about anything, that's your M.O., bubba, so go crying again to the moderator about Gayle in MD., just like you did before, you yellow backed slimey little coward.

G.

jayalley
12-02-2009, 02:41 PM
Easy, girl, easy.

wolfdancer
12-02-2009, 03:39 PM
I'm aware that I'd probably come in a distant second on an IQ test, to llotter, Dee, Ed....and??? But, that doesn't make my personal beliefs any less valid then theirs.
What I read into Steve's posts...is that he believes that he is much more intelligent, then anybody on the left side of the political spectrum, ergo, he is right and they are wrong.
In short, he is delivering as llotter, and little larry believe that they do:......"Expert Testimony" !!!
In a court of law...."Qualifying the Expert Witness: A Practical Voir Dire"
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">701 Lay Opinion: If the witness is not an expert, opinion is admissible only when it is 1) rationally based on perceptions, and 2) helpful to the trier of fact.

702 Testimony by Experts: Expert opinions may be admissible if 1) the testimony assists the trier of fact, and 2) the witness is qualified as an expert.

703 Bases of Opinion Testimony by Experts: Expert opinion may be based on facts or data 1) actually seen or heard by the expert or 2) communicated to him at or before the hearing. Admissibility of the facts or data is not essential if typically relied on in this field.

704 Opinion on Ultimate Issue: An expert may express an opinion which 1) addresses an ultimate issue of fact, but opinions or inferences regarding the mental state of the accused are reserved for the trier of fact, </div></div>
. ANY discussion with people that
have that close-minded view, and grandiose ( I tend to over-indulge with that word....but since it is so "if the shoe fits")....that grandiose opinion of themselves...is futile, in the very least not very constructive.Based on that assumption,
I am trying then, to limit my replies to them.
If Steve is of the opinion that I am mesmerized by his fabulous credentials....who am I to spoil his Holiday Season for him?
Rudy (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIY6ZIfEsRo)

pooltchr
12-02-2009, 04:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[ And you can quite with the BS about teaching Professional players, none of them come your way,
</div></div>

Once again, my little mis-informed friend, you are wrong. I do not get on here and list all of my students for your pleasure. But a sample of the information you are looking for could be easily found with a little research.

Last week, I had a top pro from the New York area contact me about working on some alignment issues. That person's name will remain private at that player's request.

But you don't really care. You're just a bitter old woman who already knows it all. Good for you.

Steve

wolfdancer
12-02-2009, 05:19 PM
Like the "venerable" sic..lwwindbag, Steve continues with this fantasy that he is educating both you and I, and that we continually pm him pleading for him to stop exposing our untruths here. I believe that this is a prime example of an "epiphenomenon" ... "secondary mental phenomenon that is caused by and accompanies a physical phenomenon"
In this instance...." He can run three balls, therefore he can comment expertly on all topics"

I'm sure from his boasting that he probably teaches political science at one of those basketball factories in NC, where the entire team graduates,with a BA,in that field, and then needs assistance filling out an employment app.
Or maybe he teaches "economics 101" "having blank checks does not necessarily mean that the Bank will cash them"
OR....leading a discussion group on "The Art of War" Sun Tzu
Either way, I won't be bothering him anymore with simple requests like:
STFU (please)
or "Vincent, you are embarrassing yourself, get back into the car"
As apparently his mailbox is deluged with requests for his help, or opinion on some major issues

pooltchr
12-02-2009, 05:42 PM
I'm sure your degree came from a much better school than Duke...


Steve

wolfdancer
12-02-2009, 05:51 PM
Nope, never did go to College, but did graduate at the top of my class in a two year program on marine engineering...which makes me think, I might have been able to keep up, somewhat, in an accredited University...."C" student or below?, and 6 years to complete a 4 years course, in say "Marketing" then maybe get hired as a Greeter at Walmart...

pooltchr
12-02-2009, 05:59 PM
Hell, if you done all that, you could have been a certified billiard instructor!!!

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Steve

wolfdancer
12-02-2009, 06:18 PM
I sat in on several sessions in LV......and it was all...way over my head.
I don't have the patience, nor do I think I know how to get beyond the printed material, and "reach" someone....and lastly, using the
USPPA rating system as a guideline ....I'd want my player's rating to be at least 90 and above, and it is nowhere near that. I don't believe one can effectively teach a skill like pool, unless they can proficiently demonstrate those skills. This is why I would ask you for the orange crush, 3 on the wire in a race to 9, and 3 to 1 on the money....plus one
"gotcha"
You have got to be more careful about posting something without any rancor....folks will think you are slipping

pooltchr
12-02-2009, 07:27 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is why I would ask you for the orange crush, 3 on the wire in a race to 9, and 3 to 1 on the money....plus one
"gotcha"

<span style="color: #FF0000">I wouldn't give that much weight to my grandmother, and she's been dead and gone for 20 years! </span>
You have got to be more careful about posting something without any rancor....folks will think you are slipping </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000"> Must be the season! Gotta be careful. Santa might be watching!

Steve</span>

wolfdancer
12-03-2009, 12:00 AM
It's amazing to me, about how much "ink" you were able to get out of this religious bigotry; anti-Catholic post that you so proudly authored. You make you own judgment call, then castigate the Catholic lay people for not following suit. They probably weren't advised by their Bishop that they were now supposed to vote against Kennedy, and maybe elect some non-Catholic whose sins exceeded that of his.
AND your own "greatest sin" of all, is to use the Catholic belief in the Sacrament of Communion, something that you would probably
decry as some Voodoo practice to make your case against Kennedy.

Here's my idea about your *** post:
If you ain't a Catholic,so worry about your own religion????
Ours has been around since the time of Jesus, long before Tom Cruise invented Scientology /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
Course it's a free country, and there's one of you in every corner bar, with all the answers, so it probably shouldn't even be bothering me. I'm a fallen Catholic myself, but when I hear this kind of crap, I think about my Mom and people of that generation who despite ailments, tried to make it on a daily basis, to hear the Mass recited.
And here you are piously denunciating them.
You seem to dispense these morality rulings on every group that
doesn't dance to your fiddle. If I were you, I'd be a little more concerned about my own soul, then to be going around trying to do the Lord's work here on earth, by passing judgment on others who displease you for not buying into your own personal dogma. Your ex-cathedra ruling from your bathroom "throne" is fittingly,
worth sh*t.
But then, since we haven't had an overabundance of people nominated for Sainthood lately, last one I believe was Mother Teresa receiving the first steps toward that, with her beatification in 2003. We probably won't know of your own exemplary life and great works, until you "cross the bar". Unlike yourself, I am not fit to judge others, so I defer commenting on that.
Perhaps if you had made an immediate ruling and had it publicized, Catholics would have been aware of their own failure to act, and the resultant public outcry, would have had him swept from office,or further outraged, the townspeople would have had a torchlight procession to his castle, and burned him at the stake.
You would also have gotten great mileage out of condemning my
"great uncle", My Mom's uncle. He was both Irish and a Democrat, in addition to being a Catholic Priest. As Pastor of one of two Catholic churches in our neighborhood, the poorer one...(in a neighborhood where I can still purchase a two family home for under $30k).....he was able to keep the Church and it's school going with a little creative financing, and a "look the other way" by the neighborhood police, many of them Irish Catholics (that's two strikes against them in your book)
When the city had a big crackdown on all the pinball machines that paid off if you won.....they were all confiscated, but not all were destroyed, and some showed up at the many fund raisers, the good Priest conducted throughout the year, Craps, blackjack, no permit alcohol, were also part of the festivities. So, in addition to violating many of the City's ordinances,and the State's liquor laws,and his own fondness for the bubbly, ...resulting in him sometimes having to say the late Mass instead of the early one.
What a field day you would have had, condemning him to hell....
What did make him special though ...to the congregants in our Parish, he made it a point to visit and offer comfort to the ill and infirm in the neighborhood, and not just some perfunctory visit.....but, since you only see evil in others, not of the
Republican faith.....
It must be faith...there can be no other explanations for overlooking everything that happened under the once and future King, George W.B. All those happenings and coincidences would have to be filed under "it must be God's will"
to be just cast out of memory???

Qtec
12-03-2009, 07:37 AM
No takers?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If a black single mother let her boyfriend abuse her 8 yr old son and it came to court, would she walk free?
If a Bishop sends a pedo Priest, [ who he knows is a child abuser] to a boys school- where he is free to abuse once more, <u>should the Bishop walk free?</u>

Q </div></div>

Gayle in MD
12-03-2009, 08:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Gayle in MD][ And you can quite with the BS about teaching Professional players, none of them come your way,
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Once again, my little mis-informed friend, you are wrong. I do not get on here and list all of my students for your pleasure. But a sample of the information you are looking for could be easily found with a little research.

Last week, I had a top pro from the New York area contact me about working on some alignment issues. That person's name will remain private at that player's request.

But you don't really care. You're just a bitter old woman who already knows it all. Good for you.

Steve [/quote}


LMAO! More proof that you are a raging liar. I don't know who you THINK you're kidding with all your BS, but if you think it flies, you are as mistaken now, as you were when you were on here defending Goerge Bush's cherry picked "Evidence" that Saddam had WMD's. When you were on here claiming that the massive debts, and redistribution of wealth upwards, by Bush's tax cuts, were of no concern. Debts, didn't matter, then, according to you. Wars, launched, with tax cuts, and prescription drug programs, and Medicare D, all of it put on a tab, as Republicans porked up Washington D.C. like no previous majority in our history, and Bush borrowed more money than all previous administrations COMBINED~!

All of you righties on here proved long ago that you had no appetite for research, facts, or common sense. You don't read books, and hence, you will flounder along with just the propaganda from the USA haters of Fox, and the idiotic pundits, who insult America on a daily bases, from the widows of 9/11, to the attack on the very same CIA and Special Forces which Bush refused to heed, as he allowed the man who leads a now franchised expanded global terrorists organization, instead of being dead in the ground, where he belongs, and would be now, had we not had a gang of oil and Saudi Arabian cohearts running this country.

Hence, we from the left were right, not just about some things, but about EVERYTHING. And that is what none of you righties can stand, the fact that YOU were all completely wrong, about EVERYTHING!

George Bush, Dick Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, the entire Bush Administration, who lied our country into the Wrong war, in the wrong place at the wrong time, as John Kerry so eloquently, and correctly, pointed out.

The facts prove the legacy of your collective stupidity, poor judgement, and colossal misinformation, doled out to you daily by the same pundits who supported George Bush, and every one of his massive lies.

Since taxes are your greatest fear, the truth about the added dangers which our country faces at this time, has escaped your wilted little brains.

bin Laden, was allowed to escape, by the Bush Administration, so they could invade Iraq, for their oil cronies, and future oil contracts, a secret policy for which they were handsomely awarded pre-fixed election.

To this day, none of you has ever admitted those well proven facts, even though not only Gary Brentsen, but Tyler Drumheiller, and a list of journalists, and respected investigative reporters, have documented every lie, every disastrous result, and every failure.

As you all continue to follow the likes of Limpballs, Hannity, and the rest of the Republican tools, you continue to completely miss the reality of why we are in the dangerous mess that we are actually facing at this time. ALL of it a result of YOUR VOTES and your refusal to educate yourselves on the deciet, incompetence, and unamerican activities of George Bush and Dick Cheney, et al.

You do not know the complete story of what we are having to face in the Middle East at this time, now the expanded version, which will not be told for several years, since to this day, you are still being distracted by divisive religious and social issues, over which you have no legal authority, no Constitutional right to question, and no justifiable power or right to attack.

Your rush to blame Obama, is just more hubris which takes your collective lack of information even further away from the disastrous results of the worst administration in our history.

But then, you are almost as good a liar as George Bush and Dick Cheney, so why would we expect anything else from you, or your ignorant fellow RW misinformed, uneducated allies on here. Pros from N.Y., are lining up for lessons from the Bubba foolteacher in N. Carolina, BWA HA HA HA....and I'm Hillary Clinton.

G.

Deeman3
12-03-2009, 09:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No takers?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If a black single mother let her boyfriend abuse her 8 yr old son and it came to court, would she walk free?
If a Bishop sends a pedo Priest, [ who he knows is a child abuser] to a boys school- where he is free to abuse once more, <u>should the Bishop walk free?</u>

Q </div></div> </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">I'll take a swing.

No, both should be punished. I know the church as well as some other institutions have protected homosexual priests, boy scout leaders and others for offenses against children, particularly young boys. There is no excuse for it be it a crack whore or a priest. There has never been proper oversight of these institutions who by their nature, it appears, attract a high percentage of perverts. Outside the church you have a new political correctness that helps shield these offenders while the church, at least in the recent past, has circled it's wagons to not only protect it's fellow gay priests but to protect the relative reputation of the church and it's finances. Judges now routinely release offenders who are a proven threat to children and we do battle with the old theory that a criminal has paid his price to society once he finishes his/her sentence. This is probably true in most crimes but the child abusers, much like the common rapist, is so inclined to re-offend, society must make special rules to protect our children who are mostly defenseless.

ONe problem, outside the Catholic Church is that you run a check on sexual offenders in any given area and the map is like a shotgun blast, they are all over the place! I think, in the balance between protecting the offenders rights and the children's safety, we have decided to err in favor of the kids. It may not be fair but is certainly understandable with the increasing re-offense numbers and the increasing acceptance by many states and local governments of these folks as normal, like Vermont. However, as more gather there for legal leinency and protection, even the liberal states may make changes in the next few years as their children are increasingly attacked.

Prosecute them all. </span>

llotter
12-03-2009, 09:56 AM
There you go again, repeating a lie though you know the truth. At least, Gayle doesn't know her lies are lies because she cannot or will not see the truth. But I just posted a little while ago that I admire the Catholic Church and in addition, my daughter, her husband and their five kids are devout Catholics and attend Latin Mass at least once a week and sometimes my wife and I tag along on special occasions. She would never vote for a pro-abortion politician and has for many years walked the streets with her kids in tow, both in protesting at abortion clinics and supporting those who are in need at Pregnancy Crisis Centers. I cannot tell you how much I admire my daughter for the way she is raising her kids with home schooling, no TV, the street activity, the sign making to welcome home the soldiers from the front...etc, etc, etc. Aside from whatever my wife and I were able to guide her in the right direction, it was definitely when she converted to Catholicism that provided the strength and wherewithal to consistent guidance that makes it appear like it is the most natural and right way to live and raise a family.

My intention was certainly not to impugn the Church but was merely asking a simple and obvious question. I actually figured that there would be a simple answer but now I see emotions pouring out about JFK and great uncles and sins of omission. You must know that I am not anti-Catholic but you just repeat the lie again and again. Unfortunately, you have apparently entered the Cesspool of Stupidity know as the Left that demands that your forsake your traditional value system and adopt their PC crap and attack anyone who dares to point out the truth.

Gayle in MD
12-03-2009, 11:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There you go again, repeating a lie though you know the truth. At least, Gayle doesn't know her lies are lies because she cannot or will not see the truth. But I just posted a little while ago that I admire the Catholic Church and in addition, my daughter, her husband and their five kids are devout Catholics and attend Latin Mass at least once a week and sometimes my wife and I tag along on special occasions. She would never vote for a pro-abortion politician and has for many years walked the streets with her kids in tow, both in protesting at abortion clinics and supporting those who are in need at Pregnancy Crisis Centers. I cannot tell you how much I admire my daughter for the way she is raising her kids with home schooling, no TV, the street activity, the sign making to welcome home the soldiers from the front...etc, etc, etc. Aside from whatever my wife and I were able to guide her in the right direction, it was definitely when she converted to Catholicism that provided the strength and wherewithal to consistent guidance that makes it appear like it is the most natural and right way to live and raise a family.

My intention was certainly not to impugn the Church but was merely asking a simple and obvious question. I actually figured that there would be a simple answer but now I see emotions pouring out about JFK and great uncles and sins of omission. You must know that I am not anti-Catholic but you just repeat the lie again and again. Unfortunately, you have apparently entered the Cesspool of Stupidity know as the Left that demands that your forsake your traditional value system and adopt their PC crap and attack anyone who dares to point out the truth.

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If this ppost of yours doesn't take the cake, I don't know what would.

I hope you are proud to inf9orm your oh so Catholic family, of your admiration for a known murderer. I'm sure, having grown up Catholic, that unless the Neocons have infiltrated the Catholic Church, since obviously there are plenty enough closeted gays in the Republican Party, to more than fill the positions, that your daughter's priest would be more than shocked to know that her father praises a murderer.

Studies have shown that the most F-ed up kids in this country, are home schooled. there are several who lived near me, and they act like freaks.

You accuse everyone of trying to dictate according to thier own personal philosophies, when you are the one who supports that kind of behavior. Intruding on abortion facilities, is against the law. It is a Federal Law, which was allowed to go unchecked by the Bush Administration...however, that will not be the wave of the future, I can assure you, so you might want to advise your daughter, that what other people decide, about ther own lives, and their own bodies, is none of her damned business, as it is none of yours, either.



I don't care what kind of Anti-anything you call yourself, you are anti=-American, and prove it everytime you praise a yellowbellied, cowardly, murderer who killed and mmaimed other law abiding citizens of this country.

You have the same mentality of the Talliban and al Qaeda, and you have the nerve to talk about FREEDOM!!!

Your daughter sounds as F-ed up as your are, no surprise there!

Disgusting!

G.

llotter
12-03-2009, 11:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If this ppost of yours doesn't take the cake, I don't know what would.

I hope you are proud to inf9orm your oh so Catholic family, of your admiration for a known murderer. I'm sure, having grown up Catholic, that unless the Neocons have infiltrated the Catholic Church, since obviously there are plenty enough closeted gays in the Republican Party, to more than fill the positions, that your daughter's priest would be more than shocked to know that her father praises a murderer.

Studies have shown that the most F-ed up kids in this country, are home schooled. there are several who lived near me, and they act like freaks.

You accuse everyone of trying to dictate according to thier own personal philosophies, when you are the one who supports that kind of behavior. Intruding on abortion facilities, is against the law. It is a Federal Law, which was allowed to go unchecked by the Bush Administration...however, that will not be the wave of the future, I can assure you, so you might want to advise your daughter, that what other people decide, about ther own lives, and their own bodies, is none of her damned business, as it is none of yours, either.



I don't care what kind of Anti-anything you call yourself, you are anti=-American, and prove it everytime you praise a yellowbellied, cowardly, murderer who killed and mmaimed other law abiding citizens of this country.

You have the same mentality of the Talliban and al Qaeda, and you have the nerve to talk about FREEDOM!!!

Your daughter sounds as F-ed up as your are, no surprise there!

Disgusting!

G. </div></div>

Words fittingly from the local foul-mouthed spokesperson from Cesspool of Stupidity.

Gayle in MD
12-03-2009, 11:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If this ppost of yours doesn't take the cake, I don't know what would.

I hope you are proud to inf9orm your oh so Catholic family, of your admiration for a known murderer. I'm sure, having grown up Catholic, that unless the Neocons have infiltrated the Catholic Church, since obviously there are plenty enough closeted gays in the Republican Party, to more than fill the positions, that your daughter's priest would be more than shocked to know that her father praises a murderer.

Studies have shown that the most F-ed up kids in this country, are home schooled. there are several who lived near me, and they act like freaks.

You accuse everyone of trying to dictate according to thier own personal philosophies, when you are the one who supports that kind of behavior. Intruding on abortion facilities, is against the law. It is a Federal Law, which was allowed to go unchecked by the Bush Administration...however, that will not be the wave of the future, I can assure you, so you might want to advise your daughter, that what other people decide, about ther own lives, and their own bodies, is none of her damned business, as it is none of yours, either.



I don't care what kind of Anti-anything you call yourself, you are anti=-American, and prove it everytime you praise a yellowbellied, cowardly, murderer who killed and mmaimed other law abiding citizens of this country.

You have the same mentality of the Talliban and al Qaeda, and you have the nerve to talk about FREEDOM!!!

Your daughter sounds as F-ed up as your are, no surprise there!

Disgusting!

G. </div></div>

Words fittingly from the local foul-mouthed spokesperson from Cesspool of Stupidity. </div></div>


Nothing is more foul mouthed than your by line which glorifies a murderer.

G.

wolfdancer
12-03-2009, 12:07 PM
After posting disparaging remarks against Catholicism, he is now a Champion of their right to practice their faith. It's like making a long winded tirade against somebody, pointing out the various faults that you both assume and attribute to them,....and closing with "but I like you folks" Total bs, and the line about you is
a weak example of "damning with faint praise" You are to be excused for your views, and sins against the realm, because you don't measure up intellectually to him. Probably because you, yourself were never home schooled, and never had the ethos of your parents, drilled into your head on a daily basis, with little or no chance to see that your peer group, thinks and acts a little differently then you do.
I think home schooling is fine...until you hit the first grade. To develop your own social skills that will allow you to interact successfully with others, as you mature....I think you have to leave the "nest"....On the other hand, if one's goals are to raise clones of themselves....
I have seen a prime example of that recently at a church Thanksgiving dinner that I attended....and think I mentioned here. I great example of parents having way too much parental control over the minds of their kids...so much so, that the 5 kids seem to be clones of one another.
Why did "The Stepford Wives" movie suddenly pop up from memory....thar ain'ts no mention of "Love and Marriage" in this thread.
The title alone of this thread suggested that it was going to be some kind of moral outrage against the Catholics.
AND if the "Right Rev." Llotter is going to be preaching here on a daily basis....the Gospel according to.... I jes want him to be aware that I am an ordained Minister in the Universal Life Church. I am currently studying for the Bishop's exam, which is an open book exam, with no time limit and trust is given to you, that you do not seek the help of others.
I, myself, by virtue of passing the original ordination exam, and making a small donation to help spread the faith around, have the right to sign on as Rev. "And Father John before he's gone, will bless the house and all"
It would be a mistake then for "Friar Tuck" here, to argue scriptures with a man of the cloth, like myself

Gayle in MD
12-03-2009, 12:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After posting disparaging remarks against Catholicism, he is now a Champion of their right to practice their faith. It's like making a long winded tirade against somebody, pointing out the various faults that you both assume and attribute to them,....and closing with "but I like you folks" Total bs, and the line about you is
a weak example of "damning with faint praise" You are to be excused for your views, and sins against the realm, because you don't measure up intellectually to him. Probably because you, yourself were never home schooled, and never had the ethos of your parents, drilled into your head on a daily basis, with little or no chance to see that your peer group, thinks and acts a little differently then you do.
I think home schooling is fine...until you hit the first grade. To develop your own social skills that will allow you to interact successfully with others, as you mature....I think you have to leave the "nest"....On the other hand, if one's goals are to raise clones of themselves....
I have seen a prime example of that recently at a church Thanksgiving dinner that I attended....and think I mentioned here. I great example of parents having way too much parental control over the minds of their kids...so much so, that the 5 kids seem to be clones of one another.
Why did "The Stepford Wives" movie suddenly pop up from memory....thar ain'ts no mention of "Love and Marriage" in this thread.

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My sentiments exactly. If you want to really screw up a kid, just home school them, and you'll get your wish.

I've known a number of these kinds, home schooling their kids, and driving the religious dogma into their heads. when they finally get out from under, they either go totaly wild in college, or end up miserable, having never learned how to think for themselves.

however, knowing how wierd these kids end up, I must say, it fits to know that llotter, is the grand father of home schooled kids, and has a daughter, who drags them along to display her refusal to abide by the laws of the land.

Sounds like just the sort of family I'd expect of him. Religious fanatics, who want to rule the world...dictate to all others according to their own personal opinions of what is and isn't moral.


What is the Talliban?

What is al Qaeda?

G.

wolfdancer
12-03-2009, 12:26 PM
while you were posting this....i was editing my post, and pointing out my own religious credentials. That i don't sign on here as
Father John is due to my own modesty....a virtue I see somewhat lacking on this site

Gayle in MD
12-03-2009, 12:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">while you were posting this....i was editing my post, and pointing out my own religious credentials. That i don't sign on here as
Father John is due to my own modesty....a virtue I see somewhat lacking on this site </div></div>

BWA HA HA HA!!!! You still crack me up after all these years!

G.

llotter
12-03-2009, 12:29 PM
Obviously, it is not the Church or any religions that are now controlling over 50% of the economy. Nor are the in charge of Congress as they drive to putting us into indentured servitude. How can anyone be so gullible or so stupid?

The Cesspool of Stupidity runneth over.

Gayle in MD
12-03-2009, 12:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obviously, it is not the Church or any religions that are now controlling over 50% of the economy. Nor are the in charge of Congress as they drive to putting us into indentured servitude. How can anyone be so gullible or so stupid?

The Cesspool of Stupidity runneth over. </div></div>

BWA HA HA HA...you are truly an idiot!

If we had all the money the religious organizations have bilked this country out of over the centuries, we'd own the world!

They are a business. The only business that pays no taxes, answers to no one, promises something that doesn't exist, or at least, cannot be proven to exist, and exploits the ill, the dead, the grieving, the down and out, for their own financial gain.

And what do they produce for all their exaulted self praise and comfortable advantages????


Absolutely NOTHING~! Unless of course, you want to count guilt, fear, discrimination, homophobia, sexism, and shame, as valuable contributions of production and emotional acceptance and understanding.

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wolfdancer
12-03-2009, 12:50 PM
I feel the tension escalating here between you two, for your failure to recognize him as an authority on the sins of others.
May I suggest then then you both try out Ho'oponopono!!!

"Hoʻoponopono (ho-o-pono-pono) is an ancient Hawaiian practice of reconciliation and forgiveness. Similar forgiveness practices were performed on islands throughout the South Pacific, including Samoa, Tahiti and New Zealand. Traditionally hoʻoponopono is practiced by healing priests or kahuna lapaʻau among family members of a person who is physically ill. Modern versions are performed within the family by a family elder, or by the individual alone."
If you nopo in one hand and po in the other hand....which hand
do you think will fill up the fastest.....I'm betting on the right! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

pooltchr
12-03-2009, 12:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Your daughter sounds as F-ed up as your are, no surprise there!

Disgusting!

G. </div></div>

Typical response from a bitter spiteful old woman. It's not enough to attack another person on the forum, but you go after their children!

Disgusting is exactly what I was thinking when I read this comment!

Steve

Gayle in MD
12-03-2009, 12:55 PM
You're on ignore, A.H.

g.

eg8r
12-03-2009, 12:57 PM
LOL, getting a bit personal now isn't it?

eg8r

Gayle in MD
12-03-2009, 12:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I feel the tension escalating here between you two, for your failure to recognize him as an authority on the sins of others.
May I suggest then then you both try out Ho'oponopono!!!

"Hoʻoponopono (ho-o-pono-pono) is an ancient Hawaiian practice of reconciliation and forgiveness. Similar forgiveness practices were performed on islands throughout the South Pacific, including Samoa, Tahiti and New Zealand. Traditionally hoʻoponopono is practiced by healing priests or kahuna lapaʻau among family members of a person who is physically ill. Modern versions are performed within the family by a family elder, or by the individual alone."
If you nopo in one hand and po in the other hand....which hand
do you think will fill up the fastest.....I'm betting on the right! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif </div></div>

He's a jerk. We have an ample supply or them around here.

Republicans destroyed the country, and now, they want to blame everyone else except themselves, for voting for and supporting Republicans.

The financial disaster happened on Bush's watch, just as the unfinished wars, which he completely f-ed up, and cost this country a fortune, while doing so, not to mention the worst part of it, there was no threat, and forty five hundred dead young Americans, paid the price for their votes, and the Bush Fiasco.

Now, they want to dither around over spending?

BWA HA HA HA...just too incredibly stupid for words.

They are a lost cause...

Wait till you see my site! You're going to love it.

G.

eg8r
12-03-2009, 12:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but did graduate at the top of my class in a two year program on marine engineering</div></div>So you are telling us you can drive a boat? Good job gramps. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I guess everyone wants to be called an engineer these days.

eg8r

eg8r
12-03-2009, 01:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But, that doesn't make my personal beliefs any less valid then theirs.
What I read into Steve's posts...is that he believes that he is much more intelligent, then anybody on the left side of the political spectrum, ergo, he is right and they are wrong.
</div></div>Not talking for Steve here, but for the most part the left believes they are group of intelligence. Their big problem was that they could not explain how a person with such a low IQ beat them two elections in a row.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
12-03-2009, 01:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But, that doesn't make my personal beliefs any less valid then theirs.
What I read into Steve's posts...is that he believes that he is much more intelligent, then anybody on the left side of the political spectrum, ergo, he is right and they are wrong.
</div></div>Not talking for Steve here, but for the most part the left believes they are group of intelligence. Their big problem was that they could not explain how a person with such a low IQ beat them two elections in a row.

eg8r </div></div>

Oh yeah, they explained it, that was easy....fraud.

Now, what none from the right can explain, is why they still refuse to acknowledge the mess Bush left this country stuck in, even when the British Newspapers could see how stupid people who voted for Bush the second time, which was the only time he wasn't appointed by his Da Da's friends on the S.C..... when their headline read....


"How can Forty Million People Be So Dumb !!!!?"

G.

pooltchr
12-03-2009, 01:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You're on ignore, A.H.

g. </div></div>

Then how did you know I posted to you?
More lies!

Steve

Gayle in MD
12-03-2009, 01:15 PM
You're on ignore, A.H.

Golf-Foxtrot-Yankee

pooltchr
12-03-2009, 01:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You're on ignore, A.H.

Golf-Foxtrot-Yankee </div></div>

More lies

wolfdancer
12-03-2009, 01:23 PM
Steve never passes up on the opportunity to judge and condemn others, while the Right Rev. Llotter is merely quoting from Luke 10:41

International Standard Version (2008)
The Lord answered her, "Martha, Martha! You worry and fuss about a lot of things.

wolfdancer
12-03-2009, 01:35 PM
Your hero reportedly has an IQ in the 120's, just slightly below the avg. IQ of the RW members here, but way above my own.
I guess what you are trying to state, is that as a group the left is too dumb to recognize GWB's "genius".
I know that you have placed yourself on some high moral plateau, and also feel empowered to look down upon and judge others, because you are...........drum roll............:
ZZZZ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIoHDB1FUOM)

Gayle in MD
12-03-2009, 01:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve never passes up on the opportunity to judge and condemn others, <span style="color: #000066">A.H's never do. </span> while the Right Rev. Llotter is merely quoting from Luke 10:41

<span style="color: #000066">Talk about hypocracy...he praises a murderer, then tries to pass himself off as some kind of Christian!

Proof that he's out of touch with reality. </span>



International Standard Version (2008)
The Lord answered her, "Martha, Martha! You worry and fuss about a lot of things.
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wolfdancer
12-03-2009, 07:45 PM
He's a Wonder, that Stevie is.

Gayle in MD
12-04-2009, 07:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Of course, I have not in this thread or any other thread made any attack on the Catholic Church. I have only asked why Catholics continue to vote for politicians that support abortion when their church is so strongly against it. It Catholics and other religious voters did the right thing, the abortion debate would die instead of the babies.

The fact is that I greatly admire the Catholic Church for its history and good works and solid support of good morals. I hope you are not in the habit of simply repeating the same lie over and over as does your friend Gayle. </div></div>

You're really a joke. What lie? there is no lie that I have written here. Abortion is legal in this country. the Catholic church changes it's tenents according to how much money they can make off any given regulation.

they were once totally against cremation, until they figured out they could make some money off it, now it's A-OK with them.

They support gambling, hide chid sex abusers, pay no taxes, engage in political attacks, and as far as I'm concerned, they're about as honest as the Wall Street gang, ...

You need to realize that your opinions, are not facts, for all to adhere to, just your more than ridiculous opinions, and that by honoring a murderer, you lose all respect and credibility.

Murder is a crime, abortion, is not. You should make an effort to get things straight, yourself, before you go around calling other people liars.


The basis for all human rights, and human freedom, is to have control, and the sole determination of one's own body.

Only religious fanatics, egomaniacs, presumptuous, arrogant, wannabee dictators, would have the gaul to try to interfere with the private, personal legal rights and decisions of other people. That's what you have taught your daughter to be, a meddling busy body, who doesn't know her place in the world.

g.





Gayle

jayalley
12-05-2009, 02:45 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You're on ignore, A.H.

Golf-Foxtrot-Yankee </div></div>

Tsk, tsk, tsk. So nasty and unnecessary. Is that how nice little old ladies are supposed to behave?

wolfdancer
12-05-2009, 10:41 PM
Gayle, I know it's frustrating to see how "they" twist your posts around, and also understand your need to reply in kind sometimes,
but.. that just allows a third party to enter the fray....with yet another cheap shot.
I'd suggest that you quit responding to the slurs, juvenile insults, etc.....but then I notice......you are getting "under their skin".....(wimmen, esp. older wimmenfolk, ain't sposed, to
fight back) so that makes it all worthwhile.
The more I read these posts, as a neutral observer, the more I see a few here, taking on an even more moralistic, and intellectual role for themselves,with each new posting .....I can only surmise....they are falling for their own BS that they had previously written and then reread for the nth time.

pooltchr
12-06-2009, 08:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

, as a neutral observer,
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Good one, Wolfie!

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Steve

Qtec
12-06-2009, 10:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Not talking for Steve here, but for the most part the left believes they are group of intelligence. Their big problem was that they could not explain how a person with such a low IQ beat them two elections in a row.

eg8r</div></div>

Wrong again. The 'Left' has given 100's of reasons why the Chimp served 2 terms. Here is one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If Vice President Al Gore is wondering where his Florida votes went, rather than sift through a pile of chad, he might want to look at a "scrub list" of <span style='font-size: 20pt'>173,000 names targeted to be knocked off the Florida voter registry by a division of the office of Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris.</span> A close examination suggests thousands of voters may have lost their right to vote based on a flaw-ridden list that included purported "felons" provided by a private firm with tight Republican ties.

Early in the year, the company, ChoicePoint, gave Florida officials a list with the names of 8,000 ex-felons to "scrub" from their list of voters.

But it turns out none on the list were guilty of felonies, only misdemeanors. The company acknowledged the error, and blamed it on the original source of the list -- the state of Texas.

Florida officials moved to put those falsely accused by Texas back on voter rolls before the election. Nevertheless, the large number of errors uncovered in individual counties suggests that thousands of eligible voters may have been turned away at the polls.

Florida is the only state that pays a private company that promises to "cleanse" voter rolls.The state signed in 1998 a $4 million contract with DBT Online, since merged into ChoicePoint, of Atlanta. The creation of the scrub list, called the central voter file, was mandated by a 1998 state voter fraud law, which followed a tumultuous year that saw Miami's mayor removed after voter fraud in the election, with dead people discovered to have cast ballots. The voter fraud law required all 67 counties to purge voter registries of duplicate registrations, deceased voters and felons, many of whom, but not all, are barred from voting in Florida. </div></div>

By how many votes did Bush win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Miami Herald and USA Today conducted a comprehensive review of 64,248 "undercounted" ballots in Florida's 67 counties that ended last month.

Their count showed that Bush's <span style='font-size: 20pt'>razor-thin margin of 537 votes -- certified in December by the Florida Secretary of State's office -- would have tripled to 1,665 votes if counted according to standards advocated by his Democratic rival, former Vice President Al Gore. </span> </div></div>

Get it now? They excluded 173,000 voters and won by a margin of 500 votes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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pooltchr
12-07-2009, 08:13 AM
Of course, it's easy to forget the absentee ballots from the military serving overseas, itsn't it???

Selective memory is a terrible thing.

Steve

eg8r
12-07-2009, 08:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wrong again. The 'Left' has given 100's of reasons why the Chimp served 2 terms. </div></div>Again, you are always wrong. W beat them, and they were too dumb to recognize it.

eg8r

eg8r
12-07-2009, 08:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess what you are trying to state, is that as a group the left is too dumb to recognize GWB's "genius".</div></div>I am not "trying" to say anything. It is pretty darn clear. The group that calls themselves "the most intelligent" got beat twice by a man they call a chimp. Now just how intelligent do you think that is?

eg8r

eg8r
12-07-2009, 08:44 AM
Fraud is their simple minds trying to come up with a CYA moment when they got beat fair and square. You are just along for the ride.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now, what none from the right can explain, is why they still refuse to acknowledge the mess Bush left this country stuck in</div></div>As far as acknowledgement, I was on here complaining about W's out of control spending long before you jumped on the bandwagon. If you remember you were still caught up in your election conspiracies when the right on this board moved forward and complained about the spending.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"How can Forty Million People Be So Dumb !!!!?"</div></div>I believe after this last election, the new number for the current Pres is much higher, over 50 million. So if we were to re-ask the same question (for the current admin), I will answer it for you because I don't think you will ever admit Obama is bad for our country, so here it goes...The only reason 50 million people were dumb enough to vote Obama in is because he was the better pick between two piss poor choices. W happen to fit the exact same problem.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
12-08-2009, 02:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gayle, I know it's frustrating to see how "they" twist your posts around, and also understand your need to reply in kind sometimes,
but.. that just allows a third party to enter the fray....with yet another cheap shot.
I'd suggest that you quit responding to the slurs, juvenile insults, etc.....but then I notice......you are getting "under their skin".....(wimmen, esp. older wimmenfolk, ain't sposed, to
fight back) so that makes it all worthwhile.
The more I read these posts, as a neutral observer, the more I see a few here, taking on an even more moralistic, and intellectual role for themselves,with each new posting .....I can only surmise....they are falling for their own BS that they had previously written and then reread for the nth time. </div></div>


LOL...From the original post by Llotter....

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The question in my mind is, 'What of the Catholics who vote for Kennedy, knowing his position, shouldn't be held equally responsible?'

<span style="color: #000066">LMAO!????? Equally resoponsible for what?????????? Does this make any sense to you at all? </span>

There is an old label, 'Cafeteria Catholics' used to describe Catholics that think that they should be able to pick and choose what moral standards that they follow, must like atheists claim.
_________________________
Larry in VA...James Kopp, A real Hero and martyr. </div></div>


<span style="color: #000066">Of course, he meant to write, "Much like Athiests Claim...IOW, he is saying that a Murderer, has the right to kill people who don't subscribe to the killers ideas and opinions about moral stabndards, while at the same time, he's staying that not only Catholics, BUT ALSO ATHIESTS, are under the distinct mistaken assumption, that they, too, have the right to think and believe what they find reasonable and honorable.

Great GoogaMooga! As Little Richard would say, was that Little Richard.... ???

To sum it up, this man is a religious fanatic, a twisted, morally unsound, believer that HIS moral code, The Moral Code, ant therefore, is enforceable, by murder, and that he has a right to set about entering another person's space, for the purpose of using pressure, intimidation, and attempting to force or coerce them into seeing things his way. Now that is what he really thinks, as does his daughter, apparently...and he praises oppressing others, to the point of murder, when they dare subscribe to their own version of morality.

He is no different from Al Qaeda, and the Talliban, and that decscribes the religious right, particularly, regardless whether they are calling themselves Democrats, or Republicans, the religious right in this country is completely out of hand, and is the stinking armpit of mental instability, human misery, and divisions between people and antiamericanism, as they attempt to paint patriots with the labels which are their own, which are actually definitions of themselves....

While we have another genius on here, who presumes that when people do not believe in any single tenent of their church or faith, they are hypocrites to believe any any of the other tenents.

Gee, that, too, is al Qaeda thinking, Talliban thinking, but all of it revolves around FORCEING THEIR RELIGIOUS IDEALS UPON OTHERS! AGAIN, just like the Talliban and al Qaeda!

G.

I must say, these fellows, ah hem, although they do fit my more favored description of them far better than "fellows"

G.</span>

pooltchr
12-08-2009, 09:17 AM
Amazing, you can compare someone on here to groups of people who have vowed to dedicate their lives to ending our civilization, and then use the term radical to describe someone else!

The terrorists you speak of, would be happy to commit acts that could result in the death of you, your kids, and even your grandkids.

Someone needs to do a little self examination.

Steve

Gayle in MD
12-12-2009, 09:28 AM
Are you saying you support those religious fanatics who murder Doctors?

G.

pooltchr
12-12-2009, 11:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you saying you support those religious fanatics who murder Doctors?

G. </div></div>

Not at all. Do you support doctors who murder unborn babies??

Steve

Gayle in MD
12-15-2009, 09:52 AM
I support a woman's right to personal, private decision making, and the right to control her own body, and make her own personal, private decisions.

You, OTOH, support murder.

Abortion is not murder, and no matter how many times you say it, it still isn't murder, and since abortion is legal in this country, calling it murder is nothing but your on-going attempt to dictate to women what they may or may not do with their own bodies, according to your personal belief system.

You don't get to do that, and no amount of religious rheotric or semantics allows you to accuse law abiding people, of murder.

You've already written the most sexist, misogynistic statement ever written on this forum, "When a woman spreads her legs, she loses her defense." You insulted ever woman alive when you wrote that statement. It is the statement of a pig, as far as I'm concerned.

Take your twisted religious rhetoric someplace where you can share it with others of the same twisted mentality. The doctor who was murdered, and slandered by the right for years, was a man of faith, who spent his life helping desperate parents, who did not want to bring children who would suffer and die into this world. YOu call that murder, I call it compassion, and honorable bravery in the face ofviolent threats from fanatical religious RW wannabe dictators, who think themselves above the laws of our country, and imagaine themselves as the Gods among us, who have the right to punish, slander, intrude upon, and judge all others around them.

Completely despicable and repulsive.

G.

pooltchr
12-15-2009, 10:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Abortion is not murder,

G. </div></div>

The heartbeat can be heard just a few weeks following conception. If there is a human with a beating heart inside a woman's body, and she decides to put an end to it, that is murder.

You hide behind the woman's rights issue, but forget about the child's right to live.

Try to justify it any way you like, but it is still murder.

Steve

Gayle in MD
12-15-2009, 11:24 AM
I don't have to justify abortion, because I would never have one. That is not the point. The point is that you think you have the right to decide what other people may do in the privacy of their own personal lives, within the context of their own bodies, and then call them all murdereres regardless if their philosophies, their circumstances, the circumstances of the fetus, are exceptional or remarkable.

You display gross ignorance with every post. The typical Southern Baptist BS rhetoric that destroys and attacks personal freedom, and rights to privacy and self-determination. Then you want to get on here and write misogynistic statements offending your own mother and daughers in the process.

The bottom line is that it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS what ANY women does with her own body, and NONE of any MAN's business, what ANY WOMAN does with her body. There is a fetus, it is not a baby, it is a fetus, and belongs to the woman who carries it, not to you, and not to your F-ed up organized religious rhetoric, or to any church, or any government.

Particularly not to a man like you, who is a proven mysogynist, according to your own misogynistic statements.!

G.

pooltchr
12-15-2009, 11:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> There is a fetus, it is not a baby, it is a fetus, and belongs to the woman who carries it,
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A fetus with a heartbeat is a new human being. And the last time I checked, nobody in this country owns any other person. A mother is responsible for the safety and well-being of her child. She does not own her children. Slavery was abolished years ago.

Killing is killing, just as lying is lying. There are no degrees of separation that makes one ok and the other not.

Steve

Gayle in MD
12-15-2009, 11:58 AM
It isn't your decision to make. Nobody cares what you think about it. Surely not me, as I already know that you're without conscience, and without honor, not to mention, without the ability to reason, and always suspending critical judgement, in order to spread your untrue, misogynistic rhetoric.

You don't get to dictate what others believe, we live in a country of laws. The law states that abortion is legal. End of story.

G.

pooltchr
12-15-2009, 12:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The law states that abortion is legal. End of story.

G.

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There was a time in this country when the law said owning slaves was legal. Did that make it right?

Steve

Gayle in MD
12-15-2009, 12:09 PM
Thanks for proving my point. You are unable to think with critical judgement. Not only that, but you do not get to judge what is right or wrong, on behalf of others. We live in a free country, which allows us to each make our own choices, without interference from others, and particularly from religious persecution of those choices. A woman's body belongs to her, not to you, and not to any other living human being. It is her call, and you have no right to judge her decision. As shocking as it must be to you, YOU ARE NOT GOD!

The only measure is the legal measure, which clearly states, that abortion is legal.

End of story. Your opinion on the subject, your efforts to twist it into some other completely different subject, is pointless, powerless, and also an effort of ignorance and presumption.

G.

pooltchr
12-15-2009, 12:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only measure is the legal measure,
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So in that case, Bush and Chaney are innocent of all the accusations you have repeated about them, since no legal action has ever been brought against them.

You can't use that arguement if you don't apply it in <u>all</u> instances.

Steve

Gayle in MD
12-15-2009, 12:24 PM
That's got to be the most convoluted attempt at presenting an analogy I've ever read, so far, in my life.

Just keep on coming back with more pointless attempts to be right, and we'll get to watch more squirming, overwrought, ignorance on parade.


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eg8r
12-15-2009, 12:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Abortion is not murder</div></div>Sure it is, you just don't want to admit it.

eg8r

eg8r
12-15-2009, 12:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The point is that you think you have the right to decide what other people may do in the privacy of their own personal lives, within the context of their own bodies</div></div>If you had your own burka-hating way you would be doing the exact same thing. Don't you see the hypocrisy?

eg8r

Gayle in MD
12-15-2009, 01:06 PM
Abortion is legal in this country. The Burqua is a symbol of man's persecution against women. When women break free of the religious persecution included in their religion, the first thing they do is throw away that garment.

As a woman, I understand why they do so.

You, are just another white male misogynist, who thinks you have the right to both judge, and dictate to others, acording to your misplaced opinions. I don't care what you think about abortion. In fact, I don't care what you think about anything. I'd really prefer your not entering into any debates with me, at all, since I have grown to dislike your skewed opinions, and your irrational subjective conclusions, based on religious rhetoric.

You have no right to call anyone who gets an abortion, a murderer. Abortion is not murder. You can claim that is is over and over again, just as you can claim that Valarie Plame was just a secretary, but you only prove your own ignorance, over and over again.

Give it up, sonny, that doesn't make it true. It just proves once more, that you lie.

G.

wolfdancer
12-15-2009, 01:11 PM
How did slavery end up on an abortion thread?
As I remember it....slaves were encouraged to have children....even our first President, George Washington, took a
personal interest in this goal.
And for that matter....how the &*%^ did Cheney end up on this thread???

pooltchr
12-15-2009, 01:19 PM
Pretty simple, Wolfie. Gayle decided to argue that abortion is alright because it is legal. I just pointed out that just because something is legal, it doesn't make it right.

Maybe I should have used a different example. In this country it is legal for a business to make a profit. So why do we hear so much about those evil corporations making profits?

Legal does not necessarily make something right.

Steve

Gayle in MD
12-15-2009, 01:28 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pretty simple, Wolfie. Gayle decided to argue that abortion is alright because it is legal. I just pointed out that just because something is legal, it doesn't make it right.

Maybe I should have used a different example. In this country it is legal for a business to make a profit. So why do we hear so much about those evil corporations making profits?

Legal does not necessarily make something right.

Steve </div></div>

You can't get it through your thick skull that right and wrong is a subjective subject. What you think is right, is only pertinent to your own life and decisions. You don't get to dictate to others what is right and wrong. We each have the right to do that for ourselves.

Only the law, supercedes our opinions, and abortion, is legal. this is a democratic society.... Hence, you are quite wrong because murder is illegal in this country, abortion is not.

Now wiggle around and try to come up with another completely absurd, and ridiculous comparison, and we'll just scratch our head again, and think, man, this guy is really out there! He thinks he has the right to decide for everyone in AMerica, what is right and wrong, and that they should then do as he says.

That, of course, is not reality.

G.

Gayle in MD
12-15-2009, 01:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How did slavery end up on an abortion thread?
As I remember it....slaves were encouraged to have children....even our first President, George Washington, took a
personal interest in this goal.
And for that matter....how the &*%^ did Cheney end up on this thread??? </div></div>

Just more RW squirming around to escape critical analysis.

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As usual.

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eg8r
12-15-2009, 01:31 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Abortion is legal in this country. The Burqua is a symbol of man's persecution against women. When women break free of the religious persecution included in their religion, the first thing they do is throw away that garment.</div></div>Again, you think you know everything and want to further push your ideals on others and remove their right to make their own decisions.

What have I posted that was misogynist? You are a white female hater, get over it. You do care what I think about abortion because you continue to respond. You approve of the murder of unborn children. By approving that you have zero credibility when talking about anything.

eg8r

eg8r
12-15-2009, 01:32 PM
LOL, stick around and I am sure all kinds of people will get added. Did you know the famous secretary is here also. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r

pooltchr
12-15-2009, 02:08 PM
Hey, Gayle. Newsflash! The burqua is legal in most countries, so it must be right! If it wasn't, I'm sure there would be a law saying so.

Steve

Gayle in MD
12-15-2009, 03:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Abortion is legal in this country. The Burqua is a symbol of man's persecution against women. When women break free of the religious persecution included in their religion, the first thing they do is throw away that garment.</div></div>Again, you think you know everything and want to further push your ideals on others and remove their right to make their own decisions.

<span style="color: #000066">That is absurd. having an opinion is quite a different thing from trying to force others to do as I say. I don't do that. I leave that sort of thing to the religious right, who try to do it non stop! </span>

What have I posted that was misogynist? You are a white female hater, get over it.

<span style="color: #000066">Well, I don't know what a "white Female hater" is, but I know I don't hate anyone. And I also know that I don't force myself upon others, nor do I seek to force my ideals upon others. Abortion is legal in this country, get over it! </span>


You do care what I think about abortion because you continue to respond.

<span style="color: #000066">LMAO., Oh, OK....I ignore you for months at a time, and I know that you are wrong about Valarie, and wrong about the law, so what? I don't agree with you about a lot of things, I'm sure. I particularly don't like your nasty attitude, and your non stop insults, so after a whie, I put you back on ignore.

I can tell you one thing, we'll never agree on, no child of mine would ever get sent to someone else to be raised everyday, just so I could make more money. I do not believe in Mother's leaving their children so they can buy more stuff! If there is anything that has changed our society, for the worse, that's it! but, a good part of it was becasue men couldn't keep their dicks in their pants....AND deserted their kids, after they left!</span>

You approve of the murder of unborn children. By approving that you have zero credibility when talking about anything.

eg8r </div></div>
There is no such thing as an unborn child. You don't get to create a new language, Ed. The unborn are called, Fetuses, not children. Just like waterboarding, IS torture, not having tea with the enemy, and Valarie WAs a covert NOC SEcret AGent with the CIA, who specialized in WMD's, not just a secretary.

See, you have no business saying that I don't know what I'm talking about, after you prove that everything you are saying, is a lie. You have no right to say that I don't know what I'm talking about, when you cannot even speak the language using propper definitions, and lying about work titles, and medical terms, changing things around to suit your ideology.

You are the one who is wrong, about all of it. Not me!

I approve of women's rights to own their own body. make their own decisions. choose their own way in life.....You can't put words in my mouth. And, you can't lie about those words, or change their meaning and get away with it.

The law is that abortion is legal. Deal with it.
Look, I already know that you're a religious fanatic, you don't have to prove it to me.

If the world was perfect, both men and women would wait until they could afford to have children, instead of bringing them into the world, only to send them off for someone else to be with them everyday, while they desert them so they can have more money in their pockets.

So, since I have zero credibility with you, and you obviously have zero credibility with me, why don't we just ignore one another?

I'm all for it!

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eg8r
12-15-2009, 03:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can tell you one thing, we'll never agree on, no child of mine would ever get sent to someone else to be raised everyday, just so I could make more money.</div></div>LOL. When you stoop to the attacks it is proof you lost.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no such thing as an unborn child. </div></div>Hey, its your ignorance on display not mine.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The law is that abortion is legal. Deal with it.</div></div>I have dealt with it. We have a law on the books that is contradictory to another. Wasn't the first won't be the last.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Look, I already know that you're a religious fanatic, you don't have to prove it to me.</div></div>I praise God that I am everyday.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, since I have zero credibility with you, and you obviously have zero credibility with me, why don't we just ignore one another?</div></div>Fat chance. I refuse to ignore your posts because I think it is important to point out your fallacy.

eg8r

wolfdancer
12-15-2009, 05:25 PM
Gayle, it's called a circular argument,using something non related as an example to argue for or against the original topic of discussion.
Getting back to the original point of this post.....How can Catholics vote for Kennedy, knowing his thoughts on abortion?
They voted for his political beliefs and goals, which they must have felt better served the people then his opponent's ideas.
He will be judged on the abortion issues in the hereafter.
A better question might have been....How did anybody with a conscience vote a second term for GWB?

llotter
12-15-2009, 06:55 PM
While I am not that well informed about the Catholic Church and its rules, I was thinking that abortion was on a level of sins as bad if not even worse than murder. Wiki: Some acts cause automatic excommunication by the very deed itself e.g. an apostate [2], a person who desecrates the Eucharist [3] and "a person who procures a completed abortion"

Now, even a Fallen Catholic might still recognize that flaunting the moral rules of a society can lead to nothing good and the sad evidence is everywhere to be seen in today's reality.

If this is all true then I would say I asked the right question.

(you are not obligated to bring Bush into every discussion, are you?)

pooltchr
12-15-2009, 07:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A better question might have been....How did anybody with a conscience vote a second term for GWB? </div></div>

And an even better question might have been...how did anyone with half a brain vote for Obama?

Steve

llotter
12-15-2009, 07:56 PM
i wet my panties every time I hear him speak.

eg8r
12-16-2009, 07:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A better question might have been....How did anybody with a conscience vote a second term for GWB?
</div></div>I have an even better question than that...How did the Democrats get so low that the best person they could nominate was Kerry?

eg8r

eg8r
12-16-2009, 07:40 AM
I don't know, how much better do you think it would have been with McCain? I think the only real difference may have been not pushing for Healthcare reform but that is it.

eg8r

eg8r
12-16-2009, 07:41 AM
You wear panties? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif

eg8r

eg8r
12-16-2009, 07:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While I am not that well informed about the Catholic Church and its rules, I was thinking that abortion was on a level of sins as bad if not even worse than murder.</div></div>As best I can tell, in the Bible, there are only two different levels of sin, the "main level" which is where EVERYTHING is bucketed in, and then the worst sin of all which is to "KNOW" Christ and then to leave him. Everything I have read in the Bible pits abortion and murder on equal grounds. If you really get technical Scooter Libby and that horrible lie about nothing in the secretary trial was equally bad.

eg8r

wolfdancer
12-16-2009, 10:50 AM
The point of this thread is not whether abortion is a sin, we all know that morally it's repugnant. The main topic is Rev. Llotter's claim that Catholics were renouncing their faith by voting for Kennedy.....along that line, I imagine that he has me burning in hell for eternity for voting for JFK, and intending to vote for RFK. Course he wasn't around then to pass judgment from the chair. I guess that sins of the flesh are a greater evil in his book then say, ambushing and killing an unarmed Doctor,or dropping napalm on unarmed women and children,as that is just meting out the Lord's punishment, here on earth, and when a non-Catholic, former cocaine cowboy, and unindicted criminal.... President says that God has directed him to...why then it's praise the Lord and pass the ammunition....

Lets' be honest here.....the effen thread is nothing but one religious bigot's attempt to put down people whose faith he does not agree with.
In the end he is nothing but another ****, in the mold of Monty Burns. He preaches contempt for anybody "below" his station, Has no use for the poor, the infirm, the sick, and the elderly, as the are all financial dregs that result in him being unfairly dunned by the IRS. This is just...money wasted, on these lesser Americans.....
This thread should have been titled...."Republican, Protestant, Sunday go to meeting, Bigots, denounce Cafeteria Catholics"

sack316
12-16-2009, 12:18 PM
If you ever see someone that is pregnant smoking and drinking, keep your mouth shut. It's legal, her body, and her choice.

Sack

wolfdancer
12-16-2009, 01:16 PM
and you are attributing this practice to Catholic women, Democratic women, or both?
The small percentage of women that would have such little concern over the health dangers, imposed by such behavior, to their unborn, would probably tell him or you to go pound salt, if you did speak up.
It's interesting though, that this is just another "moral majority" post. You guys really need your own blog, unimpaired by those not of the Republican faith.

sack316
12-16-2009, 01:54 PM
I attribute it to everyone

Gayle in MD
12-22-2009, 09:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can tell you one thing, we'll never agree on, no child of mine would ever get sent to someone else to be raised everyday, just so I could make more money.</div></div>LOL. When you stoop to the attacks it is proof you lost.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no such thing as an unborn child. </div></div>Hey, its your ignorance on display not mine.

<span style="color: #000066">No, it is your ignorance. A fetus, is not a child. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The law is that abortion is legal. Deal with it.</div></div>I have dealt with it. We have a law on the books that is contradictory to another.

<span style="color: #000066">This is an incomplete sentence, which makes no sense. Another what, one might ask????? Knowing you, you are probably mixing reigious so called law, with the laws of our government, tow entirely idfferent things.</span>


Wasn't the first won't be the last.


<span style="color: #000066">Another incomplete sentence. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Look, I already know that you're a religious fanatic, you don't have to prove it to me.</div></div>I praise God that I am everyday.

<span style="color: #000066">There is a huge difference between religious belief, and religious fanaticism. Fanatics seek to impose their preferences upon all others.</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, since I have zero credibility with you, and you obviously have zero credibility with me, why don't we just ignore one another?</div></div>Fat chance. I refuse to ignore your posts because I think it is important to point out your fallacy.

eg8r </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066">Try concentrating on your own for a change. You are the one who seems unaware that we have seperation of church and state in this country, religious freedom, and the sole ownership of our own bodies.

G. </span>

wolfdancer
12-22-2009, 06:36 PM
I consider you a religious bigot, and your worthless opinions about the Catholic Church, and your personal attack on Catholics for not following your dictates, as proof
....WTF are you to be preaching to others?????
Since you don't approve of President Obama, nor by inference, the Pope....you could emulate your hero, Kopp, and maybe some moron would eventually be singing your praises.....
Your posts, with the "holier then thou" theme running through it, always make me think of Judges 15-16:
"With the jawbone of an ass, have I slain a thousand men." Some modern day Sampson, is using you to do the Lord's work?
If the Pope was not bound by religious principles,to forgive one's enemies....I'm sure he would tell you to go pound salt.....
Take your bigoted bs, somewhere else....there must be several anti-Catholic sites, where you will fit in.
You can deny the fact that you are a religious bigot, but as
Justice Stewart of the United States Supreme Court wrote: "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."
And re: your posts, "or smell it".