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Qtec
12-08-2009, 09:32 PM
link (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/acorn_report_finds_no_illegal_conduct.php?ref=mp)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ACORN employees caught in those undercover videos advising a couple posing as a pimp and a prostitute on how to break the law acted unprofessionally and inappropriately, but did nothing illegal, an independent report has found.
The report, by former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger, recommends nine steps for ACORN to take in order to regain public trust in the wake of the scandal, including that it return to its "core competency - community organizing and citizen engagement empowerment, with related services." </div></div>

Harshbarger also notes that the videos were sometimes less than perfect representations of the events they depict. He writes:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>The videos that have been released appear to have been edited, in some cases substantially, including the insertion of a substitute voiceover for significant portions of Mr. O'Keefe's and Ms. Giles's comments, which makes it difficult to determine the questions to which ACORN employees are responding.</span> A comparison of the publicly available transcripts to the released videos <span style='font-size: 20pt'>confirms that large portions of the original video have been omitted from the released versions.</span></div></div>

Q

sack316
12-08-2009, 10:26 PM
oh, Scott Harshbarger. Famous for leading one of the most commonly known miscarriages of justice. Apparently fabricating evidence is solid... but video evidence now is just not good enough. Good to see he's grown over the last 20 years or so. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

ACORN themselves hired this longtime democratic ally to do their investigation. In most opinions, this "independent investigation" is gonna be worth about as much as someone's Mom walking into the principal's office to vouch for what a "good boy/girl" their child is.

Besides, this is but one of many things to come out against ACORN. How long are some people gonna try to side with them? Just for the sake of argument, let's say this particular thing contains no wrong doing... what about the rest? Does that make them good suddenly? That'd be like one of Tiger's ladies stories being exposed as a lie, so give him a pass on the other 9. It just don't work that way.

Sack

Qtec
12-09-2009, 05:31 AM
The main point is this,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The videos that have been released <span style='font-size: 17pt'>appear to have been edited, in some cases substantially,</span> including the insertion of a substitute voiceover for significant portions of Mr. O'Keefe's and Ms. Giles's comments, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>which makes it difficult to determine the questions to which ACORN employees are responding.</span> <span style="color: #CC0000"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>A comparison of the publicly available transcripts to the released videos confirms that large portions of the original video have been omitted from the released versions.</span></span></div></div>

How can you believe the video's when were doctored?

Q

LWW
12-09-2009, 05:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The main point is this,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The videos that have been released <span style='font-size: 17pt'>appear to have been edited, in some cases substantially,</span> including the insertion of a substitute voiceover for significant portions of Mr. O'Keefe's and Ms. Giles's comments, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>which makes it difficult to determine the questions to which ACORN employees are responding.</span> <span style="color: #CC0000"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>A comparison of the publicly available transcripts to the released videos confirms that large portions of the original video have been omitted from the released versions.</span></span></div></div>

How can you believe the video's when were doctored?

Q </div></div>

Do you have any evidence to show they were doctored?

What's that?

You don't?

I didn't think so.

LWW

LWW
12-09-2009, 05:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> link (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/acorn_report_finds_no_illegal_conduct.php?ref=mp)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ACORN employees caught in those undercover videos advising a couple posing as a pimp and a prostitute on how to break the law acted unprofessionally and inappropriately, but did nothing illegal, an independent report has found.
The report, by former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger, recommends nine steps for ACORN to take in order to regain public trust in the wake of the scandal, including that it return to its "core competency - community organizing and citizen engagement empowerment, with related services." </div></div>

Harshbarger also notes that the videos were sometimes less than perfect representations of the events they depict. He writes:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>The videos that have been released appear to have been edited, in some cases substantially, including the insertion of a substitute voiceover for significant portions of Mr. O'Keefe's and Ms. Giles's comments, which makes it difficult to determine the questions to which ACORN employees are responding.</span> A comparison of the publicly available transcripts to the released videos <span style='font-size: 20pt'>confirms that large portions of the original video have been omitted from the released versions.</span></div></div>

Q </div></div>
http://www.outofmygord.com/images/outofmygord_com/spoonfeeding.jpg

There you go precious.

LWW

Qtec
12-09-2009, 06:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you have any evidence to show they were doctored? </div></div>

When you come with a complaint and you produce a video that is your only evidence, you have to show that its real and unedited.,,,did they?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>What the Transcripts Show About the Doctored ACORN Video Tapes</span>
The following is an analysis of the <span style='font-size: 20pt'>heavily edited videotapes </span>and partial transcripts posted on
biggovernment.com by O’Keefe and Giles based in their undercover visits to ACORN and ACORN Housing
offices. Below the analysis, an Appendix provides key excerpts from the posted transcripts.
1. Transcripts reveal that O’Keefe and Giles said they needed ACORN’s help <span style='font-size: 20pt'>to protect Giles from a
violent pimp—but they carefully edited this out of their videos1.</span> O’Keefe and Giles used clever editing and
voiceovers to hide a key fact that the transcripts show to be true in each case: <span style='font-size: 23pt'>In each office, the duo claimed
that 20-year old Hannah was being threatened by a violent abusive pimp. <u>They pleaded </u>for ACORN to help
protect the prostitute (and in some cases underage girls as well) from the pimp by helping her get a place to live.
O’Keefe and Giles edited this out of the video given the news media and the public, but neglected to remove it
from the transcripts.</span>
Remember, for example, the tape of the NY ACORN worker advising the prostitute to hide money in a tin can,
presumably to evade taxes? The transcript shows it was so the pimp “can’t get it from you if he wants to come
and rip up the place.” And the prostitute told the loan counselor that her pimp had “ all these 13, 14,15 year old
girls from El Salvador and that’s what—I need to protect them like I know what its like and I have to protect
them and like give them somewhere to live.” 2
2. While their press releases claim they were posing as a “prostitute and a pimp,” the transcripts show
that O’Keefe consistently introduced himself as Giles’ boyfriend trying to protect her.3 While we have seen
videos of O’Keefe’s ridiculous “pimp” get-up, with Chinchilla cape, hat, and walking cane, these are all outdoor
visuals. In the actual videos in the offices, every view of O’Keefe shows him dressed in normal casual business
attire.
3. <span style='font-size: 20pt'> <u>In each of the cases, the ACORN staff advised the prostitute to pay taxes, not to evade them.</u></span></div></div>

Slime.

Q

LWW
12-09-2009, 06:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you have any evidence to show they were doctored? </div></div>

When you come with a complaint and you produce a video that is your only evidence, you have to show that its real and unedited.,,,did they?

Q </div></div>

Yes.

Next deflection.

LWW

Qtec
12-09-2009, 06:46 AM
Link?

Q.......or is that just your own dumbass opinion?


The pimp and his Ho..........LMAO. http://giovanniworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/hannah_giles_james_keefe-300x3001.jpg

Q

LWW
12-09-2009, 06:57 AM
When you come with an investigation to clear those involved with child molestation and you produce an investigation that is their only exoneration, you have to show that its real and conducted by an ethical investigator ... did they?

The answer to anyone seeking the truth is painfully obvious ... they did not.

The investigator sent innocent people to prison on child molestation charges solely because it furthered his career. Even the most rabid partisan would usually have a problem believing that such a cad wouldn't exonerate the guilty for a fee once they knew this.

But, did you even question the tale that the party put on the spoon for you? Of course not.

You were presented with the lie that you wanted to hear and your blind love affair with the lie took over from there.

The fact that you can excuse such behavior, on such flimsy evidence by such a biased investigator in the face of the overwhelming volume of evidence shows the dark side of you in a clear quite Orwellian light.

LWW

Gayle in MD
12-09-2009, 07:02 AM
I'd say it's just one of his usual completely irrational, twisted replies, which are completely bogus, N/A to the information, or to the links you've provided, and written just to twist the documentation you've provided, and irritate those from the left.

Personally, I never was convinced by those tapes, nor of the charges, and I think I said so at the time, that more investigation into the matter was required, given the people involved were obviously trying to set up the people who were being trashed.

The right on here leapt to delight, as they usually do, when they "Think" they have something solid against The Democratic Party.

As usual, the rightwing owned media, will see to it that this revealing correction of the original slanderous charges against an organization which has accomplished lots of good things around our country, will deep six the story, for political purposes, as usual. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif They still think Bush won two elections, Global Warming is a myth, and the WMD's are in the sand in IRaq!

What else could we expect from them??????

G.

LWW
12-09-2009, 07:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How can you believe the video's when were doctored?

Q </div></div>

Speaking of being a dumbass ... there was your claim Q.

I have no obligation to disprove it ... I have stated you have no evidence they were doctored, and you haven't.

If you have then please present it.

If not, please just have the integrity to admit that you will blindly support child slavery and prostitution if it advances your political agenda.

Have you no dignity? No honor? No sense of shame?

LWW

llotter
12-09-2009, 07:41 AM
You and I both know that there is no dignity or honor among the Left. Their only goal is to implement their elitist 'vision' of Utopia and will say and do anything to further that end. In fact, they work within and around the Cesspool of Stupidity so the best that can be said of them is that they just don't know any better.

Chopstick
12-09-2009, 08:59 AM
[quote=Qtec] <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>What the Transcripts Show About the Doctored ACORN Video Tapes</span>
</div></div>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'><span style="color: #3366FF">Have you read the transcripts? Where are they?</span></span>

Gayle in MD
12-09-2009, 09:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Qtec] <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>What the Transcripts Show About the Doctored ACORN Video Tapes</span>
</div></div>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'><span style="color: #3366FF">Have you read the transcripts? Where are they?</span></span> </div></div>


<span style="color: #000066"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'> Have You? Why don't you post them then?</span> </span>

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Chopstick
12-09-2009, 09:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Qtec] <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>What the Transcripts Show About the Doctored ACORN Video Tapes</span>
</div></div>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'><span style="color: #3366FF">Have you read the transcripts? Where are they?</span></span> </div></div>


<span style="color: #000066"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'> Have You? Why don't you post them then?</span> </span>

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<span style="color: #3333FF">Since you are too lazy to look it up for yourself, here it is and yes, it backs up the video.</span>

Baltimore ACORN Prostitution Transcript. (http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11078409/Complete-ACORN-Baltimore-Prostitution-Investigation-Transcript)

eg8r
12-09-2009, 09:38 AM
<span style='font-size: 26pt'> qtip is the one basing his entire thread on these "transcripts". Why aren't you asking qtip for them? </span>

eg8r

Gayle in MD
12-09-2009, 10:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Qtec] <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>What the Transcripts Show About the Doctored ACORN Video Tapes</span>
</div></div>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'><span style="color: #3366FF">Have you read the transcripts? Where are they?</span></span> </div></div>


<span style="color: #000066"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'> Have You? Why don't you post them then?</span> </span>

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<span style="color: #3333FF">Since you are too lazy to look it up for yourself, here it is and yes, it backs up the video.</span>

Baltimore ACORN Prostitution Transcript. (http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11078409/Complete-ACORN-Baltimore-Prostitution-Investigation-Transcript) </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>LMAO! Which video? Before or after the doctoring? The people were set up, the video was doctored and edited to show what they were tring to make it show, and the entire thing is, and was, a hoax. Just as I thought from the start...


End of story...


Sort of reminds one of Sara's so called "Labor" when this last baby was born....
No woman is going to get on board two jets, to fly for hours, to get home, after her water breaks.

She's either a liar, or an idiot!



End of story.

G. </span> </span>

LWW
12-09-2009, 12:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Qtec] <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>What the Transcripts Show About the Doctored ACORN Video Tapes</span>
</div></div>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'><span style="color: #3366FF">Have you read the transcripts? Where are they?</span></span> </div></div>


<span style="color: #000066"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'> Have You? Why don't you post them then?</span> </span>

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<span style="color: #3333FF">Since you are too lazy to look it up for yourself, here it is and yes, it backs up the video.</span>

Baltimore ACORN Prostitution Transcript. (http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11078409/Complete-ACORN-Baltimore-Prostitution-Investigation-Transcript) </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>LMAO! Which video? Before or after the doctoring?

G. </span> </span> </div></div>

I'm still waiting for evidence of the doctoring.

Moonbat rants such as "JUST BECAUSE THEY SAID IT DOESN'T PROVE THEY SAID IT!" aren't evidence of anything ... except moonbat rants.

LWW

sack316
12-09-2009, 02:19 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
How can you believe the video's when were doctored?
Q </div></div>

Because of undisputed valid portions of the videos where a worker says things like "you're a performer, don't say prostitute". Or "If they making money and they are underage, then you shouldn't be letting anybody know anyway".

The contentions against the video is that O'keefe dubbed in his questions later. So what question would you say they responded to with such answers as listed above?

How can I believe the videos you asked.... common sense is my answer.

Sack

LWW
12-09-2009, 03:03 PM
I'm waiting for evidence they were doctored.

LWW

llotter
12-09-2009, 03:44 PM
I wonder why the Left defends ACORN so vigorously against what they can see with their own eyes.

pooltchr
12-09-2009, 03:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder why the Left defends ACORN so vigorously against what they can see with their own eyes. </div></div>

The same reason they defend Obama, Nancy, Harry, Chris, and the rest of their merry band of idiots. Because they are all working toward the same goal...socialization of our former great country!

They are all very dangerous lunatics.

Steve

Qtec
12-09-2009, 08:43 PM
The report makes things clear, read it. Or at least just read the part about the video 'evidence'. link to report (http://www.proskauer.com/files/uploads/report2.pdf) Page 42.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">APPENDIX D – VIDEO NARRATIVES
We offer here an overview of the circumstances surrounding the videos, as they have been relayed to us by various ACORN employees. We did not speak directly with those employees who were captured on video in part because we were satisfied there was no question that the visits occurred and the comments were made. In addition, we could not offer them – or our own notes – confidentiality or privileged communications status. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>We also did not have the opportunity to speak with the videographers. In fact, they either declined or ignored our requests.</span>
Therefore, while we have formed opinions about the videos, and have offered our findings and comments to the extent we felt it appropriate to do so, the following narratives
(except for the Philadelphia office) are based on hearsay alone – albeit reflecting the perspective of the ACORN employees and volunteers, and their supervisors.

Baltimore Office
The videographers initially spoke with a part-time ACORN employee. This employee had been a member of Baltimore ACORN for 10 years and, at the time, worked in the Baltimore
office as a receptionist and greeter.
The videographers represented that they needed help and had
been turned down elsewhere, and that Ms. Giles was a dancer and Mr. O’Keefe was a college student trying to help her. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>Although Mr. O’Keefe appeared in all videos dressed as a pimp, in
fact, when he appeared at each and every office, he was dressed like a college student – in slacks and a button down shirt.</span> Ms. Giles, however, was dressed as she appears in the videos. </div></div>

Pimp or wimp?
http://urbangrounds.com/images/Hannah_Giles.jpg

Do you really think he was wearing his fur coat and shades when they went to ACORN, PLEADING for help?
Is there anyone on the entire planet that looks less like a pimp than he does! Only a Conservative college boy A-hole could think that real pimps dress like that these days. The 70,s.maybe. A real pimp would just give him a slap or say BOO! and take his Ho. LOL
<span style='font-size: 20pt'>You guys will believe anything.</span>

Q......the story they gave was that he was a good college kid trying to save a young girl from the clutches of her evil pimp. They also wanted to save these 13 yr old kids from the same evil pimp and guess what................ACORN helped them. They didn't do it for money or votes. The nasty Young Republicans got some footage and doctored it to put ACORN in a bad light but they are LIARS. The fact that they are NOT open and won't co-operate with this investigation say a lot. What do they have to hide?
Remember when you al were outraged about this link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s8w9GEpSzw&feature=player_embedded) FANTASY/PISSTAKE............HaHaHa.LMAO

<span style='font-size: 23pt'>You guys will believe anything.</span>

pooltchr
12-09-2009, 10:05 PM
Hey Q. You interested in buying a bridge?

Steve

LWW
12-10-2009, 08:18 AM
Your delusions know no bounds and you have obviously never watched the videos.

Your love of the lie is quite disturbing.

LWW

Gayle in MD
12-10-2009, 09:25 AM
Lemmings are only happy when they are lined up, nose to ass, rushing over a cliff.

Facts are Verbodden! How dare you Q!

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LWW
12-10-2009, 09:56 AM
I'm starting to believe that there actually isn't any evidence that the video was doctored?

LWW