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12-17-2009, 02:41 AM
What happened to the leftists who wailed incessantly about Bush sending our troops out with unsuitable gear?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON (AP) - Troops are being sent to war zones without proper training and suitable gear, according to two senior Democratic lawmakers who say they've been told by soldiers about problems ranging from their backpacks to their rifles.

In a Dec. 10 letter to the Pentagon's top leaders, Rep. Ike Skelton, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, and Rep. Solomon Ortiz, who heads the subcommittee on military readiness, said they are "greatly troubled" by what they learned as the Obama White House begins escalating the U.S. presence in Afghanistan.

Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has not seen the letter yet, according to Air Force Capt. Elizabeth Aptekar, a spokeswoman. "However, we appreciate the concern and the support the representatives have in our men and women in uniform and we will look into this matter," she said.

Soldiers are being issued a rucksack made of plastic that is not comfortable or effective in combat situations, Skelton and Ortiz found during a recent trip to Germany and Italy where they met with members of the 503rd Infantry Regiment and the 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team.

Troops carry heavy loads on their backs and the plastic straps cut off circulation to their hands and arms, "making it virtually impossible to fire their weapons," they told Mullen and Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

Skelton and Ortiz said many of the soldiers they talked to are using their own money to buy better packs from commercial suppliers.

The M4 carbine, a shorter, lighter version of the M16 rifle, was also criticized. Skelton and Ortiz said they've had long-standing concerns with the M4. Those worries mounted after a study by a military historian found the rifle failed at critical moments during a July 2008 firefight in Afghanistan that left nine U.S. soldiers dead.

"Even though these weapons routinely rank lower than other military weapons in testing, they are still being issued as the Army's weapon of choice," the letter says.

The Army has said it is improving the M4 to make it more reliable and lethal while also planning to hold a competition for a new combat rifle.

The lawmakers said they were told troops are being taken straight from boot camp and being sent to Afghanistan and Iraq without extensive training at stateside bases.

"Is this a common practice now"? Skelton and Solomon ask. "And will the upcoming surge into Afghanistan exacerbate this situation?"

There were also complaints about the camouflage pattern of the combat uniforms they wear, the lawmakers say. The current pixielated pattern of green, tan and gray doesn't work well in Afghanistan and "does more to put our soldiers in harm's way than to protect them," they said.

The uniforms also aren't durable enough to handle Afghanistan's harsh environment, according to Skelton and Ortiz. That means soldiers again have to dip into their own pockets to buy multiple replacements, they wrote.</div></div>

OH DEAR! (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9CK283G0&show_article=1)


12-17-2009, 08:23 AM
And the most vocal critics of Bush on this topic will find a way to either defend Obama, or find a way to continue to blame Bush!



12-17-2009, 09:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And the most vocal critics of Bush on this topic will find a way to either defend Obama, or find a way to continue to blame Bush!


Steve </div></div>

Or a way to bury their collectivist heads in the sand.


12-18-2009, 08:10 PM
Dont worry. Its all about the money.
The good war will turn sour when the pocketbook gets hit.

Just wait until the tally starts to spike due to no ready supply lines.

12-18-2009, 09:05 PM
How will we know when that happens. The MSM quit giving us the daily body count after Obama moved into the White House.


12-18-2009, 10:36 PM
pooltchr the first thing Obama ordered for the Troops was plastic bags. Stick them up LWWs Brain if you have trouble locating it just look in the Mirror your Brain is there too.####B

12-19-2009, 06:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How will we know when that happens. The MSM quit giving us the daily body count after Obama moved into the White House.

Steve </div></div>

Four hundred and forty nine on the watch of dearest leader, not including 1 civilian and 1 unborn from the Fort Hood shooting, as of 16 December, 2009.

The moonbat crazy left may have folded up the dead and put them away as they are stage props to them, no longer needed to advance their agenda.

I and others have not, nor will we ever, forget the sacrifice they have lovingly made for this great republic.

Matthew Pollini, 21, Mass
Kyle Harrington, 24, Mass
Julian Brennan, 25, NY
Grant Cotting, 19, CA-One of the Youngest Soldiers to die since 1/20/9
David Wallace, 25, PA
Trevor Johnson, 23, Mont
Philip Windorski, 35, MN
Matthew Kelley, 30, MO
Joshua Tillery, 31, Ore
Benjamin Todd, 29, WA
Milton Suggs, 51, LA
Darrell Fernandez, 25, NM
James Dorsey, 23, IL
Christopher Sweet, 28, HA
Theophilus K. Ansong, 34, lost at sea, VA
Jason Burkholder, 27, OH
Jared Southworth, 26, IL
Kevin Preach, 21, MA
Peter Courcy, 22, TX
Jason Watson, 19, LA-One of the Youngest Soldiers to die since 1/20/9
Garnet Derby, 44, Mont
Joshua Ward, 30, KY
Albert Jex, 23, AZ
Jonathan Roberge, 22, Mass
Marc Small, 29, PA
Daniel L. Hansen, 24, CA
Sean Diamond, 41, CA
Stephen Thompson, 23, OK
Raymond Munden, 35, TX
Cwislyn Walter, 19, HA-One of the Youngest Soldiers to die since 1/20/9
Timothy Davis, 28, Wash
Jeremy Bessa, 26, IL
David Hurt, 36, AZ
Mark Baum, 32, PA
Michael Mayne, 21, NY
Michael Alleman, 31, Utah
Zachary Nordmeyer, 21, IN
William Emmert, 36, TN
Brian Bunting, 29, MD
Schuyler Patch, 25, OK
Scott Stream, 39, IL
Daniel Thompson, 24, WI
Brian Connelly, 26, NJ
Simone Robinson, 21, IL
Donte Whitworth, 21, IN
Jeffrey Reed, 23, VA
Jessica Sarandrea, 22, FL
Daniel Hyde, 24, CA
Patrick Devoe, 27, NY
Patrick Malone, 21, FL
Theophilus Anson, 34, VA
Timothy Bowles, 24 AZ
Archie Taylor, 37, TX
Christopher Abeyta, 23, IL
Robert Weinger, 24, IL
Norman Cain III, 22, IL
Gary Moore, 25, OK
Daniel Geary, 22, NY
Adam Hardt, 19, AZ-One of the Youngest Soldiers to die since 1/20/9
Anthony Williams, 21, PA
Michael Ouellette, 28, NH
Jose Escobedo Jr., 32, NM
Raphael Futrell, 26, SC
Florence Choe, 35, CA
Francis Toner IV, 26. RI
Nelson Lantigua, 20, FL
Devin Poche, 25, NC
Phillip Myers, 30, VA
Israel Mejias, 28, Puerto Rico
Daniel Beard, 24, NY
Adam Kuligowski, 21, VA
Stephen Dearmon, 21, TN
Blaise Oleski, 22, NY
Jacob Ramsey, 20, CA
Gary Woods, 24, KY
Bryan Hall, 32, CA
Edward Forrest, Jr., 25, MO
Jason Pautsch, 20, IA
Bryce Gautier, 22, CA
Michael Anaya, 23, FL
Raul Moncada, 29, CA
Francisco Aguila, 35, Puerto Rico
Richard Dewater, 21, Kansas
Ray Spencer II, 20, CA
William Comstock, 21, AR
Brad Davis, 21, OH
Benjamin Moore, Jr., 43, GA
Leroy Webster, 28, SD
Tyler Trahan, 22, Mass.
James Mcllvaine, 26, MD
Mark Wojciechowski, 25, OH
Christopher Loza, 29, TX
James Pirtle, 21, CO
Ryan King, 22, GA
Jeremiah McCleery, 24, CA
Jake Velloza, 22, CA
William Vile, 27, PA
Shawn Sykes, 28, VA
Justin Hartford, 21, NY
Randy Agno, 29, Hawaii- non-combat related incident
Charles Springle, 52, NC - non-combat related incident
Omar Albrak, 21, IL Albrak and Saczek were the 100th and 101st military deaths reported (other earlier deaths were reported later) since 1/20/09
Lukasz Saczek, 23, IL - non-combat related incident Albrak and Saczek were the 100th and 101st military deaths reported (other earlier deaths were reported later) since 1/20/09
Matthew Houseal, 54, TX- non-combat related incident-
Christian Bueno-Galdos, 25, NJ - non-combat related incident
Jacob Barton, 20, MO - non-combat related incident
Michael Yates, 19, MD - non-combat related incident - One of the Youngest Soldiers to die since 1/20/9
Steven Hutchison, 60, AZ - Oldest Soldier to die since 1/20/09
Ryan McGhee, 21, VA
Roslyn Schulte, 25, MO
Paul Brooks, 34, MO
David A. Schaefer, Jr., 27, IL
Leevi Barnard, 28, NC
Jason George, 38, CA
Brent Cole, 38, VA
Brian Naseman, 36, WI
Mark Stratton II, 39, TX
Ashton Goodman, 21, IN
Duane Wolfe, 54, CA
Roslyn Littmann Schulte, 25, MO
Carlie M. Lee, III, 23, AL
Esau De La Pena-Hernandez, 25, CA
Blue C. Rowe, 33, AR
Maged M. Hussein, 43, Egyptian man fighting for the U.S.
Chad Edmundson, 20, PA
Bradley Iorio, 19, NJ
Thomas Lee, 20, GA
Samuel Stone, 20, WA
Marko Samson, 30, OH
Matthew Reza, 27, TX
Matthew Wilson, 19, MO-One of the Youngest Soldiers to die since 1/20/9
Matthew Ogden, 33, TX
Jeffrey Hall, 28, AL
Justin Duffy, 31, NE
Roberto Hernandez II, 21, NY
Jeffrey Jordan, 21, GA
John Beale, 39, GA
Kevin Jenrette, 37, GA
Jarrett Griemel, 20, TX - non-hostile incident
Jasper Obakrairur, 26, HA
Charles Parrish, 23, AL
Christopher Kurth, 23, NM
Robert Ulmer, 22, PA
Joshua Whittle, 20, CA
Rocco Barnes, 50, CA
Eduardo S. Silva, 25, CA -non-combat related incident
Ricky Richardson Jr., 33, MO
Edmond L. Lo, 23, NH
Jonathon O’Neill, 22, FL
Kafele Sims, 32, CA
Kevin Dupont, 52, MA
Joshua Soto, 25, TX
Joshua Melton, 26, IL
Paul Smith, 43, IL
Chancellor Keesling, 25, IN -non-combat related incident
Jeffrey Garber, 43, NE
Ricky D. Jones, 26, AL
Rodrigo Munguia Rivas, 27, MD
John D. Blair, 38, GA
Casey Hills, 23, IL
Brian Bradshaw, 24, WA
Joshua Hazlewood, 22, TX -non-combat related incident
Steven Drees, 19, WI-One of the Youngest Soldiers to die since 1/20/9
Peter Cross, 20, TX
Timothy David, 24, MI
Terry Lynch, 22, MT
Edward Kramer, 39, NC
Roger Adams, Jr., 36, NC
Juan Baldeosingh, 30, NC
Robert Bittiker, 39, NC
Justin Casillas, 19, CA - One of the Youngest Soldiers to die since 1/20/9
Aaron Fairbairn, 20, WA
Charles Sharp, 20, GA
Tony Randolph, 22, OK
Christopher Talbert, 24, IL
Nicolas Gideon, 20, CA
Mark Garner, 30, NC
Derwin Williams, 41, IL
Brock Chavers, 25, GA
Chester Hosford, 35, MN
Issac Johnson, 24, GA
Darren Ethan Tate, 21, TX - died of non-hostile causes
Michael Roy, 25, FL
Gregory Missman, 36, OH
Lucas Bragg, 19, MO - non-combat related incident, One of the Youngest Soldiers to die since 1/20/9
Joshua Farris, 22, TX
Matthew Lembke, 22, OR
Pedro Barbozaflores, 27, CA
Jerome Hatfield, 36, VA
Eric Lindstrom, 27, AZ
Rodney Jarvis, 34, OH- non-combat related incident
Michael Heede, Jr., 22, PA
David Spicer, 33, OH
Jason Fabrizi, 29, FL
Daniel Drevnick, 22, MN
James Wertish, 20, MN
Carlos Wilcox IV, 27, MN
Thomas Gramith, 27, MN
Mark McDowell, 26, CO
Brandon Lara, 20, TX
Benjamin Kopp, 21, MN
Gregory Owens, Jr., 24, TX
Anthony Lightfoot, 20, GA
Andrew Roughton, 21, TX
Dennis Pratt, 34, OK
Raymundo Morales, 34, GA
Joshua Rimer, 24, PA
Randy Neff, Jr., 22, ID
Jeremy Lasher, 27, NY
Ryan Lane, 25, PA
Herberth Berrios-Campos, 21, VA -non-combat related incident
Donald Vincent, 26, FL Vincent and Coleman were the 200th and 201st military deaths reported (other earlier deaths were reported later) since 1/20/09
Justin Coleman, 21, FL Vincent and Coleman were the 200th and 201st military deaths reported (other earlier deaths were reported later) since 1/20/09
Andrew Charpentier, 21, MT - non-combat death after becoming ill at Guantanamo
Gerrick Smith, 19, IL - One of the Youngest Soldiers to die since 1/20/9
Douglas Vose III, 38, WA
Gregory Posey, 22, TN
Jonathon Stroud, 20, OK
Johnny Polk, 39, MS
Nicholas George Xiarhos, 21, MA
Jonathan Walls, 27, PA
Richard Jones, 21, NC
Patrick Fitzgibbon, 19, TN -One of the Youngest Soldiers to die since 1/20/9
Alexander Miller, 21, FL
Ronald Luce, Jr., 27, NC
Alejandro Granado, 42, VA
Severin Summers III, 43, MS
Keiffer Wilhelm, 19, OH -non-combat related incident - One of the Youngest Soldiers to die since 1/20/9
Anthony Garcia, 21, FL
James Argentine, 22, NY
Travis Babine, 20, TX
Christian Guzman Rivera, 21, FL
Jay Hoskins, 24, TX
Matthew Freeman, 29, GA
Jerry Randall Evans, Jr., 23, AL
Tara J. Smith, 33, NC - non-combat related incident
Dennis Burrow, 23, FL
Javier Olvera, 20, CA
Patrick Schimmel, 21, MO
Matthew Swanson, 20, CA
Richard Walters, Jr., 41, OH - non-combat related incident
Bruce Ferrell, 21, AL
John Tinsley, 28, FL
William Cahir, 40, DC
Joshua Bernard, 21, Maine
Nicholas Roush, 22, MI
William Woods, Jr., 31, VA
Leopold Damas, 26, NY
Adam Benjamin, 34, OH
William Vanosdol, 23, AL
Matthew Hastings, 23, OK- non-combat related incident
Paul Dumont, Jr., 23, VA - non-combat related incident
Clayton Bowen, 29, TX
Morris Walker, 23, NC
Jose S.N. Crisostomo, 59, Guam
Brian Wolvertin, 21, CA
Justin Pellerin, 21, NH
Matthew Ingram, 25, MS
Troy Tom, 21, NM
Jonathan Yanney, 20, MN
Andrew Lobosco, 29, NJ
Joseph Fortin, 22, VT
Darby Morin, 25 - US Army Corporal from Victoria, Canada
Donald Hogan, 20, CA
John Hallett III, 30, CA
Cory Jenkins, 30, AZ
Ronald Sawyer, 38, MO
Dennis Williams, 24, WA
Matthew Wildes, 18, LA - The Youngest soldier to die since 1/20/09
Kurt Curtiss, 27, UT
Earl Werner, 38, WI
Taylor Marks, 19, OR -One of the Youngest Soldiers to die since 1/20/9
Abraham Wheeler III, 22, SC
Jason Dahlke, 29, FL
Eric Hario, 19, MI -One of the Youngest Soldiers to die since 1/20/9
Request for 40,000 more troops arrives from General McChrystal
David Hall, 31, OH
Jonathan Welch, 19, CA - One of the Youngest Soldiers to die since 1/20/9
Tyler R. Walshe, 21, CA
Jordon Brochu, 20, Maine (died before request for additional troops arrived)
Todd Selge, 25, MN
Jordon Shay, 22, MA (died before request for additional troops arrived)
Benjamin Castiglione, 21, MI
Christopher Baltazar, Jr., 19, TX - One of the Youngest Soldiers to die since 1/20/9
Darryn Andrews, 34, TX
Randy Haney, 27, FL
Michael Murphrey, 25, TX
Joseph Helton, 24, GA
Joshua Meadows, 30, TX
James Layton, 22, CA
Shannon Smith, 31, OH
Youvert Lohney, 28, Micronesia
Thomas Lyons, 20, NV
Zachary Myers, 21, OH
Edwin Johnson Jr., 31, GA
Michael Johnson, 25, VA
Aaron Kenefick, 30 GA
Christopher Fowlkes, 20, SC
Tyler Parten, 24, AR
Duane Thornsbury, 30 West Virginia
Tyler Juden, 23, Kansas
Nekl Allen, 29, NY
Daniel Cox, 23, Kansas
Matthew Martinek, 20, IL
Bryan Berky, 25, FL
Demetrius Void, 20, SC
David Wright II, 26, OK
Andrew McConnell, 24, PA
Robert Gordon, II, 22, AL
Bradley Bohle, 29, MD
Shawn McCloskey, 33, GA
Joshua Mills, 24, TX
Jeremiah Monroe, 31, NY
Matthew Courtois, 22, TX
Michael Cote, Jr., 20, LA
Damon Winkleman, 23, OH
Corey Kowall, 20, TN
David Davis, 28, TX- Davis was the 300th military deaths reported (other earlier deaths were reported later) since 1/20/09
William Meredith, 26, VA
James Hornbarger, 33, WA - death from a “non-hostile” incident
John Malone, 24, NY
Joseph White, 21, WA
Edward B. Smith, 30, FL
Titus Reynolds, 23, OH
Kevin Graham, 27, KY
Jordan Chrobot, 24, MD
Ross Vogel III, 27, PA
Alex French IV, 31, GA
Christopher Shaw, 37, IL
Jack Martin III, 26, OK
Russell Hercules, Jr., 22, TN
Ryan C. Adams, 26, WI
Roberto Sanchez, 24, FL
Aaron M. Smith, 25, Kansas
Brandon Owens, 21, TN
Thomas Rabjohn, 39, AZ
Paul Andersen, 49, MI
Tad Hervas, 48, MN
Alan H. Newton, Jr., 26, NC
Benjamin Sklaver, 32, MA
Vernon W. Martin, 25, GA
Justin T. Gallegos, 27, AZ
Joshua M. Hardt, 24, CA
Joshua J. Kirk, 30, Maine
Michael P. Scusa, 22, NJ
Christopher T. Griffin, 24, MI
Stephan L. Mace, 21, VA
Kevin C. Thomson, 22, NV
Aaron M. Smith, 25, KS
Brandon A. Owens, 21, TN
Kevin O. Hill, 23, NY
George Cauley, 24, MN
Kenneth W. Westbrook, 41, NM
Alfonso Ochoa, Jr., 20, CA
Aaron J. Taylor, 27, MN
Christopher Rudzinski, 28, IL
Chris Staats, 32, TX
Anthony Green, 28, NC
Glen H. Stivison, Jr., 34, PA
Jesus O. Flores, Jr., 28, CA
Daniel C. Lawson, 33, FL
Brandon M. Styer, 19, PA
Daniel J. Rivera, 22, NY
Michael A. Dahl, Jr., 23, CA
David R. Baker, 22, OH
Bradley Espinoza, 26, TX
Kyle Coumas, 22, CA
Eric N. Lembke, 25, FL
Kimble A. Han, 30, UT
Gregory M.W. Fleury, 23, AK
Eric A. Jones, 29, NY
David S. Mitchell, 30, Ohio
Kyle R. Van De Giesen, 29, MA
Eduviges G. Wolf, 24, CA
Devin J. Michel, 19, IL
David L. Audo, 35, IL
Brandon K. Steffey, 23, MI
Cody R. Stanley, 21, TX
Luis M. Gonzalez, 27, NY
Fernando Delarosa, 24, TX
Dale R. Griffin, 29, IN
Issac B. Jackson, 27, MO
Patrick O. Williamson, 24, LA
Jared D. Stanker, 22, of IL
Christopher I. Walz, 25, WA
Michael P. Montgomery, 36, GA
Niall Lyons, 40, WA
Shawn H. McNabb, 24, TX
Josue E. Hernandez Chavez, 23, NV
Nikolas A. Mueller, 26, WI
David E. Metzger, 32, CA
Keith R. Bishop, 28, NY
Robert K. Charlton, 22, MO
Joseph L. Gallegos, 39, NM non-combat related incident
Brian R. Bates, Jr., 20, LA
Frank R. Walker, 66, OK- non-combat related medical causes
Adrian L. Avila, 19, AL - non-combat related incident
Lukas C. Hopper, 20, CA
Christopher M. Cooper, 28, CA - non-combat related incident
Cesar B. Ruiz, 26, TX
Jonathon M. Sylvestre, 21, CO - non-combat related incident - 400th soldier to die under President Obama’s command.
Francheska Velez, 21, IL was pregnant and preparing to return home
Aaron Thomas Nemelka, 19, UT chose to join the Army instead of going on a mission for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Michael Pearson, 21, of the Chicago suburb of Bolingbrook, Ill., quit what he figured was a ‘dead-en’d furniture company job to join the military about a year ago.
Spc. Jason Dean Hunt, 22, OK, went into the military after graduating from Tipton High School in 2005 and had gotten married just two months ago
Sgt. Amy Krueger, 29, WI joined the Army after the 2001 terrorist attacks and had vowed to take on Usama bin Laden. Her mother, Jeri Krueger recalled telling her daughter that she could not take on bin Laden by herself. “Watch me,” her daughter replied.
Kham Xiong, 23, MN - 2004 graduate of Community of Peace Academy
Russell Seager, Age not yet known, WI.
John Gaffney, 56, CA - Fort Hood victim
Frederick Greene, 29, TN - Fort Hood victim.
Justin M. DeCrow, 32, GA - Fort Hood victim.
Juanita Warman, 55, PA - Fort Hood victim.
L. Eduardo Caraveo, 52, AZ- Fort Hood victim.
Julian L. Berisford, 25, WV
Amy C. Tirador, 29, NY
Tony Carrasco Jr., 25, NM
Aaron S. Aamot, 22, WA
Gary L. Gooch Jr., 22, FL
Charles I. Cartwright, 26, MD
Mathew C. Heffelfinger, 29, ID
Earl R. Scott III, 24, FL
Justin J. Swanson, 21, CA
Christopher J. Coffland, 43, MD
Stephen L. Murphy, 36, NH
Shawn P. Hefner, 22, TX
Benjamin W. Sherman, 21, MA
Ryan L. Zorn, 35, WY
Joseph M. Lewis, 26, TX
Brian M. Patton, 37, IL
John J. Cleaver, 36, WA
Daniel A. Frazier, 25, MO
James M. Nolen, 25, TX
Marcus A. Tynes, 19, CA - one of the youngest soldiers to die since 1/20/09
Nicholas J. Hand, 20, MO
Briand T. Williams, 25, GA
Matthew A. Pucino, 34, MD
Jason A. McLeod, 22, IL
Michael A. Rogers, 23, Montanna
David M. Mudge, 22, Ore - non-hostile accident
Brandon T. Islip, 23, VA
Derrick D. Gwaltney, 21, FL
Jonathan A. Taylor, 22, FL
Kenneth R. Nichols Jr., 28, IL
Elijah J. Rao, 26, OR
Xhacob Latorre, 21, Conn.
Dennis J. Hansen, 31, FL
Ralph Anthony Webb Frietas, 23, MI
Jaiciae L. Pauley, 29, GA - non-combat related incident
Jhanner A. Tello, 29, CA - non-combat related incident
Anthony C. Campbell Jr., 35, KY

May our heroes rest forever in the peace of God in Heaven.