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llotter
12-25-2009, 03:50 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By Vasko Kohlmayer
Someone once called the birth and life of Jesus Christ the greatest story ever told. It most certainly is, for no other story offers such a powerful and sublime mixture of wonder, pain, hope, and love. Paradoxically, the very thing that makes this story so irresistible to some also stands as a stumbling block to others, because to them its claims seem so fantastic that they could hardly be true.

Why, it is often asked, would God come down to this earth -- a tiny planet tucked away in a forlorn corner of the universe -- and assume human form? Why would the all-powerful Creator of this vast cosmos become a common man, and then let himself to be spat upon, tortured, and executed in a most demeaning and painful way?

To many, this notion seems far-fetched and strange. Some even think it outright absurd and preposterous. Of course, one can see why they would feel this way. But once we transcend the confines of our self-centered frame of reference and look at things from a higher plane, it will begin to make sense.

Wondrous as every aspect of creation is, man stands without question as its crowning glory. Hebrew scriptures tell us that man was created in God's image. Man indeed possesses astonishing faculties that render him godlike in more ways than one. Man can, for example, perceive and drink in the beauty that surrounds him -- be it a dewdrop, a person, or the glittering stars of a distant galaxy. Man can love. He has a sense of right and wrong. Man knows good, and he knows evil. He can conceive of the eternal. Man can contemplate his own existence. Man can dream and hope and grieve and rejoice.

No other creature possesses any of these wonderful abilities. Neither are they explainable by evolution, for they are not particularly useful in such a context. In fact, these abilities only make our lives unnecessarily complicated from an evolutionary point of view because they divert our attention and energies from seemingly more gainful pursuits. Thus man's possession of these faculties cannot be justified in terms of scientific theories or materialistic categories. In this sense, they are supernatural, grafted as it were upon our cognitive apparatus from above.

But even as he possesses all these marvelous aptitudes, there is at the same time something deeply wrong with man. The evidence of this is all around us. Strife, conflict, and selfishness are facts of life. Mankind's history is full of hatred, murder, and war. Even though man exhibits divine qualities, he can also be fiendishly cruel and ruthlessly rapacious. We make laws and erect fences to protect ourselves against the inhumanity of our fellow human beings. But it is not only other people we need to fear. Each one of us has lied, deceived, betrayed, taken, and injured. We have all been wronged, and we have all wronged in turn.

Scriptures call this sin and tell how it infected human nature, how it caused cracks and dislocations all throughout creation. Sin is deeply embedded in our nature. We incline toward it from early on, as anyone who has children quickly learns. It requires laws and rules and self-discipline to restrain sin's destructive tendencies. And yet we fall for it again and again as we do things we later regret. Humanity, the pinnacle of God's creation, has been doing this ever since the Garden of Eden.

Although physically speaking, human beings make up only an infinitesimal portion of the universe, the issue of sin is of the highest cosmic import because it is a brazen trespass against the moral law that God has implanted in man. This presents a great problem in the grand scheme of things and renders even apparently much larger phenomena small in comparison. This is because even the most violent and spectacular cosmic events are ultimately subject to physical laws, mind-boggling as those laws may be. Sin, on the other hand, is a direct violation of God's decree. To compound the woe, this violation is carried out by God's own rebellious children.

Human beings intuitively feel that willful wrongdoing demands retribution. This primordial premonition is embedded in every children's story, where purveyors of evil are invariably punished. This is an echo of the cosmic truth sewn into man's conscience by God himself -- that in the end, evil will receive its just recompense.

The evil committed by human beings -- the bad things each of us has done -- must and will be eventually dealt with. It is not a pleasant prospect to contemplate, given how much and how often we transgress in the span of our lives. To make our case worse still, we fail to render proper thanks and worship -- or even so much as acknowledge -- our creator, the very being who gifted us with life and all the good things we enjoy.

God would be fully justified in meting out swift punishment to wayward and ungrateful humanity. He could easily destroy this strife-ridden, sin-beset earth by placing it on a collision course with another terrestrial body and wiping out the stain of unrighteousness in a ball of fire. Or he could cause the sun to collapse upon itself, an event that would bury human iniquity under layers of ice and turn this planet into a grim testimonial of divine justice as it travels silently through the cosmos's vast expanse.

But God is not like that. Even the irreligious can intuit that a being responsible for the manifold wonders of creation would take no pleasure in the stern execution of righteous wrath. Only a gentle and generous heart could form a snowdrop or a baby. Only a heart of love could conceive such glorious things. A heart like this would not punish mercilessly, but would rather stretch the wings of mercy as far as they could reach.

And this God did just that in the person of Jesus Christ, whose incarnation we celebrate during this festive season. The second person of the divine Trinity, he came down to earth to deal with human sinfulness by taking on a man's body. Why did God decide to condescend so much? He did it out of love, because this was the only way in which he could save humanity from its predicament.

Only by having a physical body could God perform that seemingly unachievable feat: to take away from his fallen children the punishment due for their moral transgressions. God could not simply wink and let the guilty walk away without exacting the penalty that's due. If he did that, he would violate his own edict. This he cannot do, for at that moment he would cease to be God.

But God found a way to set men free while at the same time satisfying the uncompromising demands of the law. He did this by setting up a mechanism through which people's transgressions would be transferred onto Jesus, who would then absorb the mandatory penalty in his own person. The dynamic is analogous to the old-testament conception of laying people's trespasses on the head of the sacrificial lamb. But while the blood of an animal could never adequately wash away the curse of sin, the blood of Christ can. While the ancient Jews effected the symbolic transference of their transgressions by placing their hands on the body of the victim, under Christ's dispensation, the transaction takes place through faith. The Bible teaches that if a person sincerely believes that Jesus died in his stead for his sins, then that person is no longer subject to divine penalty -- he is saved and will receive eternal life from the Creator's outstretched arm.

Some people may think that such grace is cheap. It is most certainly not. Even though salvation is free for those who choose to accept it, it cost the Son of God everything to make it available. But thankfully, his story did not end with the agonizing crucifixion on a hill called Calvary, for it was followed by resurrection the Sunday after, when Jesus received back all that he had given up and more. And so, the Bible teaches, will everyone who believes in him. Because of this, God's saving grace is the most precious thing a man or a woman can ever receive. It not only forms the basis of the greatest story ever told, but it is truly Christmas's priceless gift.
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Qtec
12-26-2009, 12:02 AM
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"Christianity isn't moving people's lives today. What's moving people's lives is the stock market and the baseball scores. What are people excited about? It's a totally materialistic level that has taken over the world. There isn't even an ideal that anybody's fighting for." --the late Joseph Campbell

It's a strange time to call oneself a Christian. What does it mean? Who establishes the definition? And upon what -- or whose -- divine authority do the arbiters judge the veracity of believers?

I've not yet seen Jesus formally bestow an endorsement upon any living person who purports to be Christ's spokesperson or agent.

I'll make an admission: During Christmas seasons of late, part of me falls into a funk. It's not that I don't look forward to festively stringing the lights on the house in Montana, or the build-up to Christmas morning with the kids, or gathering with family and friends, or the candlelight church service on Christmas eve.

I love all of that.

And it's not even that I find society's material emphasis of Christmas--as being all about reviving the economy--to be hypocritically devoid of spiritual meaning.

It's rather the feeling of being adrift from the ideal of Christ himself I was raised to believe in.

I grew up Lutheran, which, I readily knowledge, holds no strategic advantage over other denominations. There was never any assumption-- presented in Sunday school, during the process of confirmation, while serving as an acolyte or listening to pastoral sermons from the pews--that Jesus was partisan.

My identity as a Christian, and the validity of personal beliefs were not contingent upon having an affiliation with the Republican Party. I'm not suggesting that I think Jesus would be a Democrat; it's that, in the way the Bible was read and interpreted by our pastor, he was neither; having faith in the transformative power of Christ was apolitical.

Dropping Jesus' name wasn't considered a license to condemn others or label them--falsely--socialists, communists or traitors.

I am offended at how zealots more clustered on the extreme right have attempted to hijack my Christianity, imposing subjective litmus tests on other believers, and casting aspersions on anyone who does not share the same political agenda they do.

Particularly repulsive are people like James Dobson who would have us think that if Christ walked the Earth today he would be identified as Jesus, R-Bethlehem. More than that, Dobson's ilk has reconfigured Christ into a gun-toting, free-market, Ayn Rand Libertarian, conspicuous consumer of material goods and rationalizer of greed.

Would Jesus be impressed by the Halloween costume they've garlanded him up in? It's not the compassionate Jesus I immediately recognize.

Some of the partisans argue that Jesus would side with the insurance industry, big pharmaceutical companies and lobbyists to water down health insurance reform.

They claim Jesus would not see health care as a basic human right and that if individuals and families go bankrupt seeking the treatments they need, then tough beans.

They assert that Jesus would condone the outright lies and distortions advanced by opponents of health care reform including Sarah Palin, who claim, absurdly, there's a conspiracy to create government death panels aimed at killing the elderly and forcing abortions on women pregnant with Down Syndrome babies.

They imply Jesus would part company with the pope and a growing number of clergy from every faith convinced by the science that implicates humans as a cause of climate change, and who see it as a looming social justice issue.

They suggest environmentalists plying the principles of St. Francis of Assisi would, in Jesus' eyes, be extremists for seeking to protect nature against rapacious activities that destroy wildlife, habitat and beauty.

And they use Christ as a foil for being bellicose, mean-spirited, self-centered, and divisive, to the point of being willing, it seems, to tear this country apart not because they want to make America better but they simply want a rival political party to fail, regardless of its intentions.

They are the first to say America was founded as a Christian nation, in part to serve as refuge from religious persecution, yet they are quick to persecute those who disagree with their politically-informed interpretations of scripture.

As a deeply flawed Christian who subscribes to the old-fashioned and perhaps delusional notion that Christmas is about espousing the virtues of Christ, I simply want to be left alone to have my own relationship with a higher power, keeping politics out of the sanctuary, religion out of the ballot box and letting God--and God alone-- judge whether I've emulated Jesus' intent.</div></div>

Q

wolfdancer
12-27-2009, 04:00 PM
It's almost as if the author had llotter in mind, when he wrote that. But let us not forget that when Satan comes....

Satan's methodology from Genesis, Chapter 3.

1. Satan always comes in disguise. Moses records the fact that the serpent
was more crafty, cunning, subtle. The Devil is smooth in his deception. He
didn't come to Eve in all his ugliness. Temptation is never ugly, sour,
painful or bloody. There was nothing in his approach that alarmed Eve. Satan
doesn't come tempting us as a coiled snake, a roaring lion or with the wail
of a siren. He doesn't appear waving a red flag. He sorta of slides into our
lives. He comes disguised as a comfortable companion. Scripture tells us that
he appears as an angel of light. How is Satan dressed in your life? As a
blue-eyed blond, a new and exciting business opportunity, a bottle of booze,
a drug laced cigarette, a pill or a television show?

2. Not only is Satan disguised in person, he is disguised in purpose. He
didn't come telling Eve, I came to destroy your life, rob you of your faith
and rupture your relationships. No, he came saying Let's have a religious
discussion. Satan wants to talk theology. He's not talking sin, but Bible.
Did God really say you must not eat from any tree in the garden? There
doesn't appear to be anything wrong here. Satan is simply waiting to make
sure of proper exegesis. He wants to understand God properly. You see Satan
can be a religious devil. He used this same strategy on Jesus during His
wilderness temptations, didn't he? Satan knows scripture. He can quote
scripture. He can twist scripture to fit his needs.

hondo
12-27-2009, 05:12 PM
Human beings intuitively feel that willful wrongdoing demands retribution. This primordial premonition is embedded in every children's story, where purveyors of evil are invariably punished. This is an echo of the cosmic truth sewn into man's conscience by God himself -- that in the end, evil will receive its just recompense.


Larry in VA...James Kopp, A real Hero and martyr.

hondo
12-27-2009, 05:15 PM
God would be fully justified in meting out swift punishment to wayward and ungrateful humanity. He could easily destroy this strife-ridden, sin-beset earth by placing it on a collision course with another terrestrial body and wiping out the stain of unrighteousness in a ball of fire. Or he could cause the sun to collapse upon itself, an event that would bury human iniquity under layers of ice and turn this planet into a grim testimonial of divine justice as it travels silently through the cosmos's vast expanse.

But God is not like that. Even the irreligious can intuit that a being responsible for the manifold wonders of creation would take no pleasure in the stern execution of righteous wrath. Only a gentle and generous heart could form a snowdrop or a baby. Only a heart of love could conceive such glorious things. A heart like this would not punish mercilessly, but would rather stretch the wings of mercy as far as they could reach.


Larry in VA...James Kopp, A real Hero and martyr.

JohnnyD
12-27-2009, 05:17 PM
Very well put hondo.

Chilled
12-28-2009, 04:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Very well put hondo. </div></div>

Yes indeed JohnnyD. The words flow so well that you could almost be excused for thinking you'd seen them used before somewhere /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

hondo
12-28-2009, 06:13 AM
Chilled, you just think you're smarter than Johnny D.

He was referring to me pointing out the irony of
Lotter's words followed dy the little qoute where he idolizes
an abortion doctor murderer.

Think before you post, lad.

LWW
12-28-2009, 08:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Chilled, you just think you're smarter than Johnny D.

He was referring to me pointing out the irony of
Lotter's words followed dy the little qoute where he idolizes
an abortion doctor murderer.

Think before you post, lad. </div></div>

If you ever had the character to decry such tirades as:

"[DickLeonard] God Bless you Idiots who put False Gods before You/ There is only one True Church the Roman Catholic Catholic Church. They brought Jesus Christ to US."

"[wolfdancer] Amen!!, Brother Dick. May the Lors smite down the llotters of this world that condemn those that belong to the true Church of Christ!"

you would have some credibility when you show your feigned indignation.

But, since they are ideological haters like yourself you simply go along to get along.

I don't agree with what Kopp did ... but at least his motivation was to protect the innocent. Your hero the Kleagle took blodd money to facilitate the deaths of innocents.

I don't expect you to see the hypocrisy.

LWW

wolfdancer
12-28-2009, 10:26 AM
Dick is a devout Catholic, and a doctrine of the church is that it is the one true Church, founded by Christ. I just pleaded with the Lord, to punish someone who was attacking the Church and it's beliefs.
I notice that you had no problem with his own hate attack on Catholics; that was fine with you since the slurs were directed towards others that don't pay the same homage to you as your lionizing followers on az.
Sorry to tell you this, but each day here, your own, er, "congregation" diminishes.I already believe you are preaching, like llotter, to an almost empty choir.
Hondo is one of the most fair minded people on this board. Those same bs slurs that you direct towards him on the az site, just won't cut it over here.
You might need to drag a few more of your ardent az supporters over here, to prop up your posts,as few now read them....let alone reply.
And now you are trying to twist around your admiration of the cold blooded, sniper, murderer....you admire his motives, but only now, after failing to get any support here, you question his methodology???
AND, you try to label Hondo as the hypocrite?
Think before you post, lad.
You and llotter....judging others....now that is hypocrisy.

LWW
12-28-2009, 11:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Dick is a devout Catholic, and a doctrine of the church is that it is the one true Church, founded by Christ.</div></div>

That seems to be the doctrine of every church ... that doesn't make it true. BTW ... the church which Christ founded was based on the beliefs of love, peace, and forgiveness. Perhaps you might someday read some of his sermons and contemplate their meanings.

LWW

LWW
12-28-2009, 11:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just pleaded with the Lord, to punish someone who was attacking the Church and it's beliefs.</div></div>

That strains believability beyond the breaking point.

LWW

LWW
12-28-2009, 11:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I notice that you had no problem with his own hate attack on Catholics; that was fine with you since the slurs were directed towards others that don't pay the same homage to you as your lionizing followers on az.</div></div>

I find that this is a lie of epic proportions, and I don't recall ANYONE attacking Catholics for being Catholics.

LWW

LWW
12-28-2009, 11:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry to tell you this, but each day here, your own, er, "congregation" diminishes.I already believe you are preaching, like llotter, to an almost empty choir.</div></div>

I hate to tell you this, but each day this forum dies a little more. So long as it tolerates you and Gayle to pee in the pool with impunity this will IMHO continue.

LWW

LWW
12-28-2009, 11:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hondo is one of the most fair minded people on this board. Those same bs slurs that you direct towards him on the az site, just won't cut it over here.</div></div>

That was just precious.

LWW

LWW
12-28-2009, 11:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You might need to drag a few more of your ardent az supporters over here, to prop up your posts,as few now read them....let alone reply.</div></div>

I have never brought anyone here, much less drug them here. But ... you already knew that.

I did watch you go to AZB and try your pool peeing act and get chased off by even the leftists.

LWW

LWW
12-28-2009, 11:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And now you are trying to twist around your admiration of the cold blooded, sniper, murderer....you admire his motives, but only now, after failing to get any support here, you question his methodology???</div></div>

And, yet another lie ... but, you love the lie.

LWW

LWW
12-28-2009, 11:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">AND, you try to label Hondo as the hypocrite?
Think before you post, lad.
You and llotter....judging others....now that is hypocrisy. </div></div>

No, I labeled him as "A" hypocrite and not "THE" hypocrite, as this forum has many ... including you.

But ... you obviously already know that.

LWW

llotter
12-28-2009, 12:36 PM
The truth is that I did not attack Catholics but only chided some that did not have the courage of their professed convictions. In fact, I said that I generally supported Catholics and specifically those in my family.

I am afraid that, like Gayle, continually lie when you know the truth.

LWW
12-28-2009, 01:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The truth is that I did not attack Catholics but only chided some that did not have the courage of their professed convictions. In fact, I said that I generally supported Catholics and specifically those in my family.

I am afraid that, like Gayle, continually lie when you know the truth. </div></div>

I have to stick up for wolfie, but only because I suspect actual "TRUTH" is a foreign concept to him ... his perceived truth is simply whatever the party tells him "TRUTH" is.

DOUBLETHINK ... BLACKWHITE ... learn of these Orwellian concepts and you will understand the mindset of the far left.

LWW

hondo
12-28-2009, 02:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Dick is a devout Catholic, and a doctrine of the church is that it is the one true Church, founded by Christ. I just pleaded with the Lord, to punish someone who was attacking the Church and it's beliefs.
I notice that you had no problem with his own hate attack on Catholics; that was fine with you since the slurs were directed towards others that don't pay the same homage to you as your lionizing followers on az.
Sorry to tell you this, but each day here, your own, er, "congregation" diminishes.I already believe you are preaching, like llotter, to an almost empty choir.
Hondo is one of the most fair minded people on this board. Those same bs slurs that you direct towards him on the az site, just won't cut it over here.
You might need to drag a few more of your ardent az supporters over here, to prop up your posts,as few now read them....let alone reply.
And now you are trying to twist around your admiration of the cold blooded, sniper, murderer....you admire his motives, but only now, after failing to get any support here, you question his methodology???
AND, you try to label Hondo as the hypocrite?
Think before you post, lad.
You and llotter....judging others....now that is hypocrisy. </div></div>


Thanks, Wolfie. I really appreciate your comments.
Larry and Lotter are the only two that I see promoting hate on this forum.
Yet both profess to be Christians. Odd?!?!?!
I wish they would come to my church and hear about Jesus
Christ's love for all men, even neo-cons.

hondo
12-28-2009, 02:23 PM
Lotter, it's bad enough that all you do is spread hate on this forum but to couch it in Christian terminology is truly reprehensible.

Sir, please cease and desist.

There are actual Christians reading your posts.

May God bless you and give you wisdom.

And, p.s., Dear God, don't forget my brother LWW.
He is so consumed in hate since your servent Obama got in that
he appears to have lost his way.

wolfdancer
12-28-2009, 02:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am afraid that, like Gayle, continually lie when you know the truth. </div></div>
That sentence, as written, makes little sense, but then few of your entire posts do.
NO..you denounced, not chided, RC's for not voting for your choice, St. Sarah of Palin. She would have made Dick Nixon look kindly, and GWB look both smart, and honest....
She cost an honorable man the Presidency, although that's about all he had going for him, his honor.
With your claim of both intellectual and moral superiority here, I feel this site is really not for you

LWW
12-28-2009, 03:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He is so consumed in hate since your servent Obama got in that
he appears to have lost his way. </div></div>

I thought you were tired of him?

And that you loved him?

And that you saw his face in the shroud of Turin?

LWW

Gayle in MD
12-28-2009, 04:43 PM
Excellent post, Q.

thanks...

llotter
12-28-2009, 06:32 PM
There you go, just repeating another lie that you conjured up. I haven't voted for Republicans in over 20yrs so it would have been hard for me to condemn anyone for not voting for them. What I did question, not denounce, were 'Cafeteria Catholics' that voted for pro-abortion politicians. If Catholics merely did the right thing and followed their beliefs on this major issue, our society could cleanse its hands of such an abhorrent and bloody practice.

FYI, there is no evidence to show that either JFK or his brother Robert were pro-abortion and there is some evidence to the contrary.

wolfdancer
12-29-2009, 03:17 AM
JFK and Robert were devout Catholics, and abortion is a mortal sin.They also committed "sins of the flesh", as they didn't have your great gift of chastity.In other words, they were flawed humans, unlike yourself. How do they fit into your scenario? We shouldn't have voted for them either? Most people weren't aware that they violated the RW code of once a week, lights off, missionary position only...thing.
Maybe your guy was into 12 yr old girls....????? You wanted us to vote for him?
Ever hear of separation of church and state?
They voted for what they believed was the best man...end of story.
I'll take Cafeteria Catholics over your Sunday-go-to-meeting, and pick and choose from the Bible's teachings...Christians.
This isn't a religious site, so why not find one where you can preach salvation to those not as worthy as you?????

hondo
12-29-2009, 06:00 AM
Praise the Lord and pass the bullets.
We got us one of them there wascally abortion doctors over there!

YESSIREE, JEESUS, we gotta put a cap in that mother f**ker's azz.

wolfdancer
12-30-2009, 03:51 PM
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wolfdancer
12-30-2009, 10:28 PM
I wish that you with your heroes depicted here; ruthless dictators that persecuted Christians....you who publicly violates the ninth commandment,"bears false witness" would not try to canonize yourself. We have more then enough Judas Iscariots on TV, preaching the Bible, when all they want is their 40 pieces of silver.
I'll light a candle and say a prayer for your soul, next time I go to church

Gayle in MD
12-31-2009, 12:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">God would be fully justified in meting out swift punishment to wayward and ungrateful humanity. He could easily destroy this strife-ridden, sin-beset earth by placing it on a collision course with another terrestrial body and wiping out the stain of unrighteousness in a ball of fire. Or he could cause the sun to collapse upon itself, an event that would bury human iniquity under layers of ice and turn this planet into a grim testimonial of divine justice as it travels silently through the cosmos's vast expanse.

But God is not like that. Even the irreligious can intuit that a being responsible for the manifold wonders of creation would take no pleasure in the stern execution of righteous wrath. Only a gentle and generous heart could form a snowdrop or a baby. Only a heart of love could conceive such glorious things. A heart like this would not punish mercilessly, but would rather stretch the wings of mercy as far as they could reach.


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Nice, Hondo. But Republikooks have their own God, you know. He is far from anything that Jesus ever said, but then, they really don't understand Jesus at all.

That's the problem with organized religion....the ill and unhappy, the unbalanced and insecure, the angry small men among us, twist everything that could be thought of as Godly, into their own vile, repulsive version, which is far, far away from anything godly.

Everyone has their own ideas about what goodness is...

hondo
12-31-2009, 06:09 AM
Gayle, that was Lotter's quote.

All I did was quote it and put under it how he idolizes an abortion doctor murderer.

I was being ironic.

eg8r
12-31-2009, 06:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He is so consumed in hate since your servent Obama got in that
he appears to have lost his way.</div></div>I am asking this truthfully, what posts of lww would lead you to believe his behaviour on the board has changed at all since the election? Who in their right mind thought McCain ever had a chance anyways (ignoring Palin)? W pissed too many people off for a Rep to have a chance. I honestly think the Dems screwed up and made it so close by nominating Obama.

eg8r

eg8r
12-31-2009, 06:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Christianity isn't moving people's lives today. What's moving people's lives is the stock market and the baseball scores. What are people excited about? It's a totally materialistic level that has taken over the world. There isn't even an ideal that anybody's fighting for." --the late Joseph Campbell
</div></div>This is so true.

eg8r

hondo
12-31-2009, 12:16 PM
An honest question, Eg.

On here Dub has always been off the wall.
An angry shite-stirring troll.

On AZ he actually had his moments.

But once Obama got in, he lost his sense
and sensibility.

To be honest, the same thing happened to Steve.

You, however, are a rock of consistency.

Happy New Year, Eg. I hope you and your family have a great 2010.