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08-16-2002, 09:24 AM
You take the top 10% of the APA and BCA bar table 8-Ball players and put them head to head with the Pro men and women 9-ball players on a 7 foot bar box playing 8-ball. How do things turn out? My analogy . . . the men hang even or better, the women struggle a bit more and don't adjust as quickly. Remember, the best bar table 8-Ball players are pretty monsterous . . .well?

PQQLK9
08-16-2002, 09:31 AM
FWIW...I've got a tape of Dave Matlock (the 8-ball bar table king) playing Johnny Archer and Steve Mizerak on a bar table...it was no contest ...Dave kept them in their seats.

O'Fallon Marty....why am I thinking of Father O'Malley.../ccboard/images/icons/smile.gif

Mr Ingrate
08-16-2002, 11:00 AM
Two years ago I was in Vegas for the BCA tournament. There was this young kid on a challenge table beating all comers. Turns out it was Alex Pagulayan. He was playing up in the penthouse with the pros but was still pretty much of an unknown. The point being, he had absolutely no difficulty playing on a 7 foot table. I suspect most of the pros wouldn't have a problem either.

Lester
08-16-2002, 11:13 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Mr Ingrate:</font><hr> Two years ago I was in Vegas for the BCA tournament. There was this young kid on a challenge table beating all comers. Turns out it was Alex Pagulayan. He was playing up in the penthouse with the pros but was still pretty much of an unknown. The point being, he had absolutely no difficulty playing on a 7 foot table. I suspect most of the pros wouldn't have a problem either. <hr></blockquote>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I agree Dave, this year at Valley Forge - Parica held a "clinic" on one of the bar box challenge tables. Quite a few of the pros got in line as well, only to get a lesson. It was something to see. ***Lester***

08-16-2002, 04:50 PM
marty are you a betting person (pleaseeeeeeee)

SPetty
08-17-2002, 05:57 AM
I remember thinking, as I watched Earl Strickland play in Las Vegas, that he wouldn't have a chance on the bar tables next door. He was being so nitpicky about the condition of the dust on the table and the imagined table roll... He wouldn't survive having to deal with the conditions that us amateurs had to deal with all week. Amateurs are probably more adept at adjusting to icky conditions than the pros, who are more accustomed to equipment in good condition. Especially if they play big tournaments which are almost always new tables with new cloth and new balls. Totally different than the bar downtown that hasn't cleaned the equipment or changed the cloth for the past 17 years...

Tom_In_Cincy
08-17-2002, 10:15 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: O'Fallon Marty:</font><hr> You take the top 10% of the APA and BCA bar table 8-Ball players and put them head to head with the Pro men and women 9-ball players on a 7 foot bar box playing 8-ball. How do things turn out? My analogy . . . the men hang even or better, the women struggle a bit more and don't adjust as quickly. Remember, the best bar table 8-Ball players are pretty monsterous . . .well? <hr></blockquote>

If you haven't played on the 7 foot Diamond Smart tables, then you probably will continue to make this statement.

The GAME changes when you play on these tables. The better Bar box players are often intimidated at these tables. The tables play just like the big 9 footers, using the quality balls and same size cue ball, really makes a difference. Rails, speed and quality are outstanding. Very easy transistion for the 9 foot table player. BAR Box players will not have any advantage.

Scott Lee
08-17-2002, 01:38 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: O'Fallon Marty:</font><hr> You take the top 10% of the APA and BCA bar table 8-Ball players and put them head to head with the Pro men and women 9-ball players on a 7 foot bar box playing 8-ball. How do things turn out? My analogy . . . the men hang even or better, the women struggle a bit more and don't adjust as quickly. Remember, the best bar table 8-Ball players are pretty monsterous . . .well? <hr></blockquote>

Marty...IMO, you are comparing apples and oranges! Taking the top 10% of both APA and BCA players would encompass several thousand players (even just picking from the Las Vegas entrants from both groups). There are only a couple of hundred "players"...those that play in tournaments and want to be 'known'. There are, of course, several hundred top flight players who remain anonymous, in order to hustle and gamble too. Still, the amateurs FAR outnumber the pros, so comparisons are not so valid. Perhaps the top 1% or even top 1/10 of 1% of amateurs might be able to "hang" with the better pro players. As far as table conditions, the better players have historically been the ones able to swap back and forth from barboxes to 9' tables with no disadavantage, adapting to various playing conditions immediately, as they occur.

Scott Lee

08-17-2002, 06:56 PM
Wake up SPetty, your dreaming.

Ralph S.
08-18-2002, 12:55 PM
I think there would be a definite advantage going to the bar-box player. Speaking of great barbox players.. Weldon Rogers vs. any pro player.
Ralph S.

08-18-2002, 05:42 PM
Some of the bar box specialists play great pool, and some of them might play even with the touring pros on bar boxes, but so what? Saying that Strickland might not be a worldbeater on a seven-footer is like saying that Tiger Woods might not be a worldbeater at Jungle World Miniature Golf. The claim could be true, but Jeez, why would anyone care?

Reno

08-19-2002, 11:33 AM

Lester
08-19-2002, 11:37 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: whitewolf:</font><hr> &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote: Tom_In_Cincy:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr&gt;
If you haven't played on the 7 foot Diamond Smart tables...
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Why are these tables different from a regular Bar'Box' table? I am confused. <hr></blockquote>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;New technology, from my understanding - - - they use regular cue balls, and they are designed dimension wise to have the same playing characteristics as a Brunswick Gold Crown. JMHO ****Lester****

08-19-2002, 11:48 AM

Lester
08-19-2002, 11:52 AM
&lt;hr&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks Lester. BTW, does this mean that the corner pockets will no longer appear as bread baskets and you can actually make cut shots into the side pockets LOL? <hr></blockquote>

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You probably could, but I bet I'm still S.O.L. lol ****Lester****