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Deeman3
01-27-2010, 02:48 PM
Looks like that far right news team is at it again.

In their pool, going on now, the folowing is the priority that the American public feels he need to address.

Jobs 48.4%

Deficit 26.8

Heath Care 8.3%

Looks like the the feeling does not quite reflect what our resident liberal feels was the message from the last lost election in Mass.

Of course, the jobs issue is at the top but rather than HCR which they are susposedly clammoring for in second, the spending is number 2!

How do they spin this?

sack316
01-27-2010, 02:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
How do they spin this? </div></div>

Easy. Jobs=48.4%

Hence "the majority of Americans do not feel jobs is the most important issue needed to be discussed in the SOTU".

We can then ignore the polling numbers for HC, and using our technically factual statement above, we can logically conclude HC must be the subject to key in to.

Cool, I think I've got this lefty thing down pat now!

Sack

Deeman3
01-27-2010, 03:37 PM
You can progress to Marxist in short order. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

sack316
01-27-2010, 04:30 PM
If we take around a thousand of your posts away from you, and give them to me, we will then have about the same number of posts... and that is what is right.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can progress to Marxist in short order. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

Done and done /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Sack

Deeman3
01-27-2010, 05:05 PM
You can have 'em, at least the ones where I was nice!

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Gayle in MD
01-27-2010, 06:02 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like that far right news team is at it again.

In their pool, going on now, the folowing is the priority that the American public feels he need to address.

Jobs 48.4%

Deficit 26.8

Heath Care 8.3%

Looks like the the feeling does not quite reflect what our resident liberal feels was the message from the last lost election in Mass.

Of course, the jobs issue is at the top but rather than HCR which they are susposedly clammoring for in second, the spending is number 2!

How do they spin this? </div></div>

If you knew anything about the economy, you would know that addressing the HC issue, and cutting costs over all in HC, and HC insurance, will create jobs, and also will save us plenty of money.

The costs are unsustainable. Health care costs hurt us in the global economy, dampen hiring, and also, health issues and the insurance costs were the cause of 62% of the mortgage defaults.

HC costs have doubled in the last decade, and we are the only industrialized nation that does not have health care for our citizens.


The Health Care problem, is a problem that MUST be solved if we are to ever overcome the multi economic disasters created during the Bush Administration, and heal from the Republican policies which put our country into this pit.

Of course, Americans are more concerned about jobs. That surely doesn't mean they have forgotten who was in office for eight running up the majority of debt we're holding, eight years while we were hemmoraging jobs, eight years while we were losing 10 plus billion a years in the Middle East. Eight years while he borrowed more money than all previous administrations combined.

Not all Americans are stupid....some of us read books, and watch the live coverage on C-span. The Republicans showed their gorss ignorance today, that's for sure....and THEY are the ones voting against ramping us oversight of the financial markets and the banks, even after EVERYTHING we've seen happening on Wall Street!@

Idiots!

G.



G.

pooltchr
01-27-2010, 06:42 PM
Healthcare reform is not going to fix the economy. I think you will see a change in direction by your leader tonight, and you will need to be ready to follow along like a good soldier.

Healthcare isn't the answer.
Helping businesses get back in business, and putting people to work in the private sector is the answer.

I believe it was your own Slick Willie who put it so eloquently...It's the economy, stupid!

Steve

LWW
01-28-2010, 07:56 AM
It is scary that we have members among us who believe that MSNBC is part of the VRWC.

LWW

Deeman3
01-28-2010, 08:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD [/quote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

If you knew anything about the economy, you would know that addressing the HC issue, and cutting costs over all in HC, and HC insurance, will create jobs, and also will save us plenty of money.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> I think I do know a few things about the economy and if you believe adding jobs to the health care system will save money in any fashion you may not understand it. The liberal NPR this moring fact checked Obama's speech and said his statement of saving a trillion over 20 years is not very likey, even the CBO said any possible savings were after 10 years and very "iffy". Adding more breaucracy and even nurces, etc. to the HCS is not saings unless you are using far left math. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</span>

The costs are unsustainable. Health care costs hurt us in the global economy, dampen hiring, and also, health issues and the insurance costs were the cause of 62% of the mortgage defaults.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Not much to argue here but just because a system is not good does not mean increasing it's complexity and coverage is a better idea. Why are the suggested cost savings not ever described in any detail? Is it because they are not real? </span>

HC costs have doubled in the last decade, and we are the only industrialized nation that does not have health care for our citizens.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> We do have health care for our citizens, even the poorest have access, and do not pay. Taking from seniors and giving to the poor, regardless of circumstances may not be the answer. A good bill that addresses all cost issues would be. </span>


The Health Care problem, is a problem that MUST be solved if we are to ever overcome the multi economic disasters created during the Bush Administration, and heal from the Republican policies which put our country into this pit.

<span style="color: #FF0000">NOw health care issues are a Bush created problem? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span>

Of course, Americans are more concerned about jobs. That surely doesn't mean they have forgotten who was in office for eight running up the majority of debt we're holding, eight years while we were hemmoraging jobs, eight years while we were losing 10 plus billion a years in the Middle East. Eight years while he borrowed more money than all previous administrations combined.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> BUt Gayle, 8%!!!! There are more people concerned about who will win American Idol than are about HCR.</span>

Not all Americans are stupid....some of us read books, and watch the live coverage on C-span. The Republicans showed their gorss ignorance today, that's for sure....and THEY are the ones voting against ramping us oversight of the financial markets and the banks, even after EVERYTHING we've seen happening on Wall Street!@

<span style="color: #FF0000">I thought he cut ouot the C-span coverage as promised. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif I am glad some of you really smart folks read books rather than the scrolls and tea leaves the rest of us must be stuck with. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span>

Idiots!

<span style="color: #FF0000">Yep, there are certainly a bunch of them out there. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Listen, you guys need to learn to govern with a majority and stop expecting the right to pull you out of despair and confusion every time. Most would think with a President, a majority in both houses and 98% of the American people behind your ideas, you would figure out how to pass legislation. Maybe you should turn some of your superior reading skills to that basic challenge that has escaped the Democrats. If the right had a majority, they might find a way to run the country without whining about a weakened right picking on them all the time. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</span>





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Qtec
01-28-2010, 09:36 AM
No job = no HC. Its that simple.

Q

eg8r
01-28-2010, 09:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No job = no HC. Its that simple.</div></div>Well that is an ignorant statement.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
01-28-2010, 09:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD </div></div>

If you knew anything about the economy, you would know that addressing the HC issue, and cutting costs over all in HC, and HC insurance, will create jobs, and also will save us plenty of money.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> I think I do know a few things about the economy and if you believe adding jobs to the health care system will save money in any fashion you may not understand it.

<span style="color: #000066">I didn't say that. More jobs do come from more clinic and such, if we had universal H.C., and many companies, according to what I have read conservatives saying around here for years, leave this country and go to other countries, which provide Uiversal H.C., or where they can hire people who are so exploited and poor, they can ge away with not providing any H.C. and still get top employees. Our Social Security, and Medicare savings would be good for our deficit, if we cut the fat out of the system, and streamlined our H.C. industry, which is chock full of waste, and add ons. We also end up paying for all the illegals who get all their Health Care in the emergency rooms, the most expensive care there is, and then they don't pay, hence we American Citizens end up paying high costs for them. </span>


The liberal NPR this moring fact checked Obama's speech and said his statement of saving a trillion over 20 years is not very likey, even the CBO said any possible savings were after 10 years and very "iffy". Adding more breaucracy and even nurces, etc. to the HCS is not saings unless you are using far left math. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</span>

<span style="color: #000066">The CBO also says that we need to bring down H.C. costs, and insurance costs, in order to address the increasing deficits. Americans losing their homes, because they become ill and cannot get Health care, represented 62% of the foreclosures. There are a range of reasons why this country cannot do well econoically, unless we address our Health costs, and insurance costs.</span>
The costs are unsustainable. Health care costs hurt us in the global economy, dampen hiring, and also, health issues and the insurance costs were the cause of 62% of the mortgage defaults.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Not much to argue here but just because a system is not good does not mean increasing it's complexity and coverage is a better idea. Why are the suggested cost savings not ever described in any detail? Is it because they are not real? </span>

<span style="color: #000066">They are described, fully, in many books, and in many media programs. Bill Moyers Journal, AND Charlie Rose, have both had extended interviews with CEO's who run some of the best H.C. facilities in the country. Many doctors and nurses, have testified, and taken part in speaking at conventions, and think tanks, etc. The informaion is out there, but you won't hear it on Xos, so I guess you haven't heard very much about all the ways that the issue could be greatly improved, AND lless costly, as well. </span>

HC costs have doubled in the last decade, and we are the only industrialized nation that does not have health care for our citizens.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> We do have health care for our citizens, even the poorest have access, and do not pay. Taking from seniors and giving to the poor, regardless of circumstances may not be the answer. A good bill that addresses all cost issues would be. </span>

<span style="color: #000066">We had a good bill, until the Democratics made the huge mistake of trying to satisfy Republicans. </span>

The Health Care problem, is a problem that MUST be solved if we are to ever overcome the multi economic disasters created during the Bush Administration, and heal from the Republican policies which put our country into this pit.

<span style="color: #FF0000">NOw health care issues are a Bush created problem? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span>

<span style="color: #000066">All of our issues are harder to address because of the state that Bush left this country in, and because of the unbrilded spending without paying for any of it. Obama had no choice about spending, unless you are one of those people so uninformed, that you think we should have just let the banks and financial institutions all go under, and allow the devastating ripple effect to throw the country into a deep depression.

that is what none of you righties ever want to acknowledge...Bush did NOTHING to address the rising Health Care Costs. He paid for NOTHING that he spent. Everything went on the Bush credit card, and we got NOTHING out of it, only the wealthy improved their financial status. Facts are facts. </span>

Of course, Americans are more concerned about jobs. That surely doesn't mean they have forgotten who was in office for eight running up the majority of debt we're holding, eight years while we were hemmoraging jobs, eight years while we were losing 10 plus billion a years in the Middle East. Eight years while he borrowed more money than all previous administrations combined.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> BUt Gayle, 8%!!!! There are more people concerned about who will win American Idol than are about HCR.</span>
<span style="color: #000066">But Dee, we wouldn't have been in this situation if Bush hadn't left us in a debt pit. WE could have handled the deep recession his policies grew, far better, if he had just paid for some of it. Not to mention, he never vetoed a single spending bill for six years, until Democratics were in office, then all of a sudden, he vetoed everything. He blew money of things that made our circumstances far worse, while our infrastructure was falling apart, and only his cornies were making out. Halliburton, The Carlyle Group, Black Water, all his no bid cronies, and the crooks on Wall Street, and the crooks in the Health care industry.

Republicans THINK that they are the only representatives who are allowed to spend money~! they blow it, and the chasm between the wealthy and the Middle Class, grows wider, every time they get in there. The charts, PROVE that. </span>
Not all Americans are stupid....some of us read books, and watch the live coverage on C-span. The Republicans showed their gorss ignorance today, that's for sure....and THEY are the ones voting against ramping us oversight of the financial markets and the banks, even after EVERYTHING we've seen happening on Wall Street!@

<span style="color: #FF0000">I thought he cut ouot the C-span coverage as promised. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif I am glad some of you really smart folks read books rather than the scrolls and tea leaves the rest of us must be stuck with. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span>

Idiots!

<span style="color: #FF0000">Yep, there are certainly a bunch of them out there. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Listen, you guys need to learn to govern with a majority and stop expecting the right to pull you out of despair and confusion every time.

<span style="color: #000066">I'd say it's more like Republicans need to stop being spoilers because they didn't win, and stop prefering the country to go all the way down the pit they dug, rather than address our cirtical problems. They even CREATE special task force commitees, and vote against ehri own projects!

Those SOB's are not going to vote for a damn thing, and while the country is going farther down their disaster path, they are just stomping their feet, asying NJO, If WE aren't in office, WE're not playing. No NO NO to everything. Meanwhile, you Rwers are on here yapping about, Oh where's all the change!

Give me a break! Obama was exactly right last night. Everything he said was the damn truth. Republicans don't give a damn about the rest of the people in this country, they only thing they care about is getting re-elected, and getting that majority back, so they can resume cheating the M.D. and the Poor, for their wealthy co-crooks.
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Most would think with a President, a majority in both houses and 98% of the American people behind your ideas, you would figure out how to pass legislation.

<span style="color: #000066">Ype, and I'll give you one thing, the Dems, and Obama, should have told the Republicans to go take a flying F! LONG AGO! They are not going to compromise with anything at all. AND they are going to pay a price for that in the long run, because it is clear that the people blame Republicans, not Democratics, for stagnation we're seeing, and now, the Demcs have proof that they did everything they could to be bi-partisan, so now it's break time, balls to the wall. F. REpubs! </span>


Maybe you should turn some of your superior reading skills to that basic challenge that has escaped the Democrats. If the right had a majority, they might find a way to run the country without whining about a weakened right picking on them all the time. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</span>

<span style="color: #000066"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>BWA HA HA HA HA....yeah, we saw how they ran the country!

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Qtec
01-28-2010, 10:01 AM
Why?

Q

LWW
01-28-2010, 10:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No job = no HC. Its that simple.</div></div>Well that is an ignorant statement.

eg8r </div></div>

And that surprises you why?

LWW

LWW
01-28-2010, 10:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why?

Q </div></div>

My guess is because it was ignorant of reality?

LWW

sack316
01-28-2010, 10:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No job = no HC. Its that simple.

Q </div></div>

I had no job for quite some time. I had my own insurance the entire time.

Sack

Qtec
01-28-2010, 10:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A recent study found that 62 percent of all bankruptcies filed in 2007 were linked to medical expenses. Of those who filed for bankruptcy, nearly 80 percent had health insurance. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To date, the United States is the only westernized country with no form of universal health insurance coverage for its citizens. </div></div>

disgrace (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/health/13clinic.html)
Q

Gayle in MD
01-28-2010, 10:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A recent study found that 62 percent of all bankruptcies filed in 2007 were linked to medical expenses. Of those who filed for bankruptcy, nearly 80 percent had health insurance. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To date, the United States is the only westernized country with no form of universal health insurance coverage for its citizens. </div></div>

disgrace (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/health/13clinic.html)
Q </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066">Yep, great week for the Supreme Court to give more power to corporations, huh?

Anytime there is a five four decision, watch out! that's how we got BUSH! </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

eg8r
01-28-2010, 10:48 AM
I don't think I said I was surprised at all.

eg8r

eg8r
01-28-2010, 10:48 AM
Because it is flat out wrong. No worries though, that is usually how you end up.

eg8r

LWW
01-28-2010, 10:49 AM
And as proof of the poor not receiving health care you provide proof that the poor are getting health care?

That was just precious.

LWW

Qtec
01-28-2010, 11:33 AM
Why? Why is it wrong?
You just saying "its flat out wrong" doesn't hold any water unless you back it up with an argument.

Q

eg8r
01-28-2010, 12:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You just saying "its flat out wrong" doesn't hold any water unless you back it up with an argument.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No job = no HC. Its that simple.</div></div>You might want to take your own advice. Just because you say no job = no HC doesn't hold any water unless you back it up with an argument.

eg8r &lt;~~~knows quite a few people without a job that do have healthcare and knows others that don't have HC insurance but get seen by a doctor every time they need it

LWW
01-28-2010, 12:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why? Why is it wrong?
You just saying "its flat out wrong" doesn't hold any water unless you back it up with an argument.

Q </div></div>

Well ... you said you were wrong also.

Simply amazing.

LWW

Gayle in MD
01-29-2010, 03:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like that far right news team is at it again.

In their pool, going on now, the folowing is the priority that the American public feels he need to address.

Jobs 48.4%

Deficit 26.8

Heath Care 8.3%

Looks like the the feeling does not quite reflect what our resident liberal feels was the message from the last lost election in Mass.

Of course, the jobs issue is at the top but rather than HCR which they are susposedly clammoring for in second, the spending is number 2!

How do they spin this? </div></div>
How did you righties spin this?

healthcare up 43%
department of education up 85%
welfare spending up 60 %


This is all before obama took office in 2008, there was an average increase of 48% in all federal programs, which is just 30 times the rate of inflation over that period


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pooltchr
01-29-2010, 08:21 AM
Link to your data??????

Nobody here will even try to defend GW for his spending and growing government. How do you spin the fact that Obama is following the same path, only at a much faster pace?

Steve