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Gayle in MD
01-31-2010, 07:50 AM
Republican aides are claiming that they think televising the questions republicans asked President Obama, was a mistake. He was amazing, exposed their pettiness, their lies, their irresponsible attitudes toward seeing the country improve, and did it all with such knowlege, grace and poise, they ended up looking like a bunch of whining high schoolers....

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cry.gif Wha Wha Wah, Nancy and Harry did this to us, Nancy and Harry did that to us, Wha Wha Wha...

All of their lies and attacks about his performance, the HC Bill, his policies, etc., were blown away.

Great display of Democracy at work. After Baltimore, I'll bet it will be a cold day in hell before they take part in another open debate between themselves, and our President.

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He was FABULOUS!

G.

Gayle in MD
01-31-2010, 08:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bolshevik plot": Right-wing media declare Obama a radical who threatens America
January 30, 2010 3:03 pm ET — 22 Comments
Urging that "we've got to close the gap a little bit between the rhetoric and the reality," President Obama stated during his January 29 question and answer session with House Republicans that "if you were to listen to the debate" over health care reform "you'd think that this thing was some Bolshevik plot." Throughout Obama's administration thus far, conservative media have embraced such rhetoric, routinely attacking Obama's agenda as socialist, communist or fascist and telling audiences that Obama and health care reform are a threat to America itself.


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During the January 29 Q&A session with House Republicans, Obama stated, "You've given yourselves very little room to work in a bipartisan fashion because what you've been telling your constituents is, this guy is doing all kinds of crazy stuff that's going to destroy America":

OBAMA: And so we were in the process of scrubbing this and making sure that it's tight. But at its core, if you look at the basic proposal that we've put forward: it has an exchange so that businesses and the self-employed can buy into a pool and can get bargaining power the same way big companies do; the insurance reforms that I've already discussed, making sure that there's choice and competition for those who don't have health insurance. The component parts of this thing are pretty similar to what Howard Baker, Bob Dole, and Tom Daschle proposed at the beginning of this debate last year.

Now, you may not agree with Bob Dole and Howard Baker, and, certainly you don't agree with Tom Daschle on much, but that's not a radical bunch. But if you were to listen to the debate and, frankly, how some of you went after this bill, you'd think that this thing was some Bolshevik plot. No, I mean, that's how you guys -- (applause) -- that's how you guys presented it.

And so I'm thinking to myself, well, how is it that a plan that is pretty centrist -- no, look, I mean, I'm just saying, I know you guys disagree, but if you look at the facts of this bill, most independent observers would say this is actually what many Republicans -- is similar to what many Republicans proposed to Bill Clinton when he was doing his debate on health care.

So all I'm saying is, we've got to close the gap a little bit between the rhetoric and the reality. I'm not suggesting that we're going to agree on everything, whether it's on health care or energy or what have you, but if the way these issues are being presented by the Republicans is that this is some wild-eyed plot to impose huge government in every aspect of our lives, what happens is you guys then don't have a lot of room to negotiate with me.

I mean, the fact of the matter is, is that many of you, if you voted with the administration on something, are politically vulnerable in your own base, in your own party. You've given yourselves very little room to work in a bipartisan fashion because what you've been telling your constituents is, this guy is doing all kinds of crazy stuff that's going to destroy America.

Conservative media frequently invoke socialism, communism, fascism to attack Obama's agenda

Media Matters for America has documented numerous instances in which conservative media invoked socialism, communism and fascism to vilify health care reform, president Obama and congressional Democrats. For example:

•Limbaugh's website claims of Obama: "His education plan is Maoist ... and he is otherwise a Bolshevik. ... [H]e would be a Stalinist if he thought he could get away with it"
•Beck on O'Reilly Factor: "We are really truly stepping beyond socialism and starting to look at fascism"; compares proposals to Nazi Germany
•Limbaugh orders that there be no compromise on health reform: "You don't compromise with socialists"
•Hannity: Obama administration is pushing "the single biggest power grab and move towards socialism in the history of the country"
•Limbaugh compares Obama health care plan to Nazi policies
•Beck: "I was wrong. Our government is not marching down the road towards communism or socialism... they're marching us to a brand of non-violent fascism... towards 1984"
•Limbaugh: "Adolf Hitler, like Barack Obama, also ruled by dictate"
•Beck says Obama can be considered a socialist, because Marxism and progressivism are "the same thing"
•Dick Morris' self-confessed conspiracy theory: Obama "wants his plan to fail...so that he can make the case for bank nationalization and vindicate his dream of a socialist economy"
•Days after decrying those who say Democrats are "trying to turn us into communist Russia," Beck claimed Obama "has Marxist tendencies"
•Rush pulls out numerous smears to attack health care reform -- "Nazis," "Cuba," "totalitarian systems"
•In column criticizing health care reform, Cal Thomas invokes the Holocaust: "Great horrors don't begin in gas chambers"
•Limbaugh fearmongers about health-care reform: you will be sent to "some reeducation camp if you don't lose weight"
•Pat Robertson declares health reform bills "dangerous," "rushed through" by president "with a socialist bent"
•Williams: Health reform proponents may not support Mao's murders, but they support that "level of government control"
•Limbaugh wants to be precise: "fascism is a more apt illustration of what Obama is establishing"
•In CNBC host Cramer's "U.S.S.A.": "Comrade[]" Obama is a "Bolshevik" who is "taking cues from Lenin"
•NRO's Geraghty: Obama's health care plan is "really more Trotskyite in nature"
•Wash. Times invokes Nazism, publishes Hitler photo while criticizing health-care provisions in stimulus
•"Mr. Independent" Dobbs repeatedly smears Obama, progressives as "socialist"
•Quinn agrees with caller that Democrats "took over the country without firing a shot," adds "so did Hitler"
•Savage: Obama "is a neo-marxist fascist dictator in the making"
•Quinn attacks "our undocumented president" who is "a communist"
•UPDATED REPORT: Conservative media push 75-year-old "socialized medicine" smear against health care reform
Conservative media assert that Obama, health care reform threaten America
Media Matters has also complied examples of conservative media asserting that Democrats and health care reform could destroy the United States"

•Limbaugh as truth-telling Obama: "So don't you understand, I'm in the process of destroying your country"
•Beck insists audience "must not allow" health care bill to pass, warns it would mean "the end of America as you know it"
•Limbaugh says Founders "rose up against a tyranny that is nothing compared to" health bill, liberalism is "un-American"
•Beck: Health care reform "is the end of the American Constitution"
•Limbaugh: "Human beings will die earlier than normal" under "freedom killing" and "life threatening" health-care reform
•Morris says "Obama will lose the Congress in '10. The problem is we may not have a country by then"
•Quinn: "Your republic died in November of 2008" in "a takeover by the 1960s Bolsheviks"
•Quinn on health care reform: "the end of the republic ... the final nail in the coffin of the individual, free human being"
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<span style="color: #000066">These RW folks are NUTS! </span>

http://mediamatters.org/research/201001300005
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We Democratics AND our Representatives, should ignore all of them completely, and spend our time writing editorials about how crazy and slimey they are, and encourage Americas to turn off Fox Noise.

G.</span>

LWW
01-31-2010, 01:34 PM
You would be better served by mounting a case as to why they are nuts ... instead of basing your case on they are nuts because the party told you they are nuts.

LWW

pooltchr
02-01-2010, 08:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would be better served by mounting a case as to why they are nuts ... instead of basing your case on they are nuts because the party told you they are nuts.

LWW </div></div>

They haven't told her that part!

Steve

LWW
02-01-2010, 08:11 AM
Imagine that.

LWW

wolfdancer
02-03-2010, 05:05 AM
why waste everybody's time with pre-teen remarks like you and steve wrote in reply to her posts? They don't add sh*t to a discussion....
If you haven't anything intelligent to offer by way of a rebuttal, like some facts that would impugn her post,....either one of you...then keep the stupidity to yourselves, or pm each other with that boring crap.

LWW
02-03-2010, 05:19 AM
Purge the hate brother wolf, vent at me ... I have been blessed with broad shoulders and a thick skin.

I forgive you.

LWW

wolfdancer
02-03-2010, 05:56 AM
I've seen your photo over on the other site....it looks like you have a thick head and a broad ass, instead of the false image you have of yourself
You should be asking the Lord to forgive you for trying to claim you are his messenger here on earth, and that you are free to judge others
I think you are trash,... and why would anyone forgive you, since you aren't going to change....in fact the more you wallow in your own bodily waste, the further from reality you slither

llotter
02-03-2010, 08:31 AM
If not the dumbest guy in a room full of Republicans, The Moron is a close contender. It must be very grating to listen to such childish, sophomoric lectures from someone with so little experience and even less mental depth. Decorum requires a degree of respect for the office among those participating but for observers and commentators like Limbaugh and Beck and those in this forum, we should feel free to speak the truth and those quotes you attached pretty well hit the right note.

The more outrageous the policy proposal, the more it deserves to be defeated. And if those proposals fit the socialist or communist or fascist model, it would be appropriate to point that out. We sometime learn, on a superficial level, about these alternative systems in school and if we are lucky, those teaching it will have the sense to point out that how much better our free market, capitalist system is in comparison because it is based on freedom and limited government, but we have not had much actual experience dealing with exactly how those evil systems come into being...until now.

It is too often accepted as a given that we live in a free society and, as Lee Greenwood says, 'they can't take that away.' However, Mr Greedwood and others who believe that should look more closely at just how the Left operates to enslave a society. The title itself of Milton Mayer's book, 'They Thought They were Free; The Germans 1933-45', describes the attitude among the citizens at the time of Hitler's rise very well. Mr. Mayer's purpose was to analyze how intelligent, sophisticated people could be drawn into such an evil situation and how we might avoid repeating this tragedy. He went to Germany ten years after the war ended and did extensive interviews while living amongst the citizens and any reader can easily see the parallels between that situation and the one we are experiencing here and now. For those who want to learn from history rather than to simply repeat it, should be more cautious than blind when a smooth talker comes along to Transform America. As I recall, Hitler also had a messianic character and inspired extreme loyalty, especially among the young.

llotter
02-03-2010, 09:21 AM
The one thing you can know for sure when The Moron is speaking; he has no allegiance for the truth. He claimed that he came into office with a $1,3 trillion deficit but the truth is it was a record breaking $700 billion and he added $1 trillion.

President Bush began a string of expensive finan cial bailouts.

President Obama is accelerating that course.

President Bush created a Medicare drug entitle ment that will cost an estimated $800 billion in its first decade. President Obama has proposed a $634 billion down payment on a new govern ment health care fund that will get to $2.5 trillion.

President Bush increased federal education spending 58 percent faster than inflation. Presi dent Obama would double it.

President Bush became the first President to spend 3 percent of GDP on federal antipoverty programs. President Obama has already in creased this spending by 20 percent.

President Bush tilted the income tax burden more toward upper-income taxpayers. President Obama would continue that trend.

eg8r
02-03-2010, 09:27 AM
Wolf, what she posted here is basically an opinion. The author picked a quote and then gave a bunch of other quotes in an attempt to get the author's opinion across about how the meeting went. I posted a rebuttal and do you know what qtips response was...that is an opinion. LOL, it was quite funny. Since NO ONE ON THIS SITE is privy to the real facts, everything we post is nothing more than an opinion. The author in my quote was pretty spot on with his opinion but because it was an opinion that was not good enough for the elitists on this board.

eg8r

llotter
02-03-2010, 12:39 PM
Wolfie should stick with humor and let people think he is smart rather than straying and showing that he is not.

eg8r
02-03-2010, 01:15 PM
My post wasn't really directed at wolfie. I to some extent agree with what wolfie posted in that specific thread. I did not really see where lww's post added anything to the discussion which is what wolfie was saying. I decided, since neither lww or wolfie were adding to the discussion, I would continue the trend and point out qtips impressive ability to never add anything to any discussion. Here we are two posts later still not discussing the topic of the thread. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r

hondo
02-03-2010, 02:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why waste everybody's time with pre-teen remarks like you and steve wrote in reply to her posts? They don't add sh*t to a discussion....
If you haven't anything intelligent to offer by way of a rebuttal, like some facts that would impugn her post,....either one of you...then keep the stupidity to yourselves, or pm each other with that boring crap.
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Tap! Tap! Tap! My thoughts exactly.

LWW
02-03-2010, 02:36 PM
Let all the hate out wolfie, it's cleansing.

I forgive you brother.

LWW

wolfdancer
02-03-2010, 03:16 PM
Ed, this isn't exactly...a political think tank, here,and despite their claims, llotter, llww, llsteve aren't zackly pol sci majors; they ain't even llCool.
I remember reading an article a few decades ago, by a Harvard Prof.,about how we communicate. In layman's terms...we read, or hear something, interpret it to fit our own thought processes, add or subtract to it.....and after the original article has been passed through several people...it might be unrecognizable to it's original form.
In short, you and I could read the same article about GWB...and you might want to nominate him for a Nobel Peace Prize, while I would want to gather up the rest of the townspeople and storm the castle...