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llotter
02-05-2010, 12:01 PM
http://www.freedom570am.com/

from moon to 3pm

wolfdancer
02-05-2010, 02:14 PM
"from moon to 3pm"
I think you have spent to much time in the moonlight, and may be suffering from the "lunar effect"
"The lunar effect is a pseudoscientific theory which overlaps into sociology, psychology and physiology suggesting that there is correlation between specific stages of the Earth's lunar cycle and deviant behavior in human beings."
THIS, however has been disproven and labeled as pseudo-science
Similar to the flat earth society, doubting Thomas types like yourself, holding onto the faint glimmer of hope....that President Obama's mother put him in a basket as an infant, and floated him down the Amazon river all the way to the USA.
Please copy a transcript of your "Radio Free Lunar-tics" program, and post it here...I've got some new dual purpose paper that one can print on and also use as tp.
How's that sniper practice going? I've warned the local Catholic clergy and the three nuns in your area, to duck if they hear gunfire....Nun Forme, Nun Tusoon, and Nun Oftheabove

Gayle in MD
02-08-2010, 07:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.freedom570am.com/

from moon to 3pm </div></div>


<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Earth to Llotter on the moon, President Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States Of America, born in Hawaii. Please tell all the other Reston Moonies!</span>

pooltchr
02-08-2010, 09:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.freedom570am.com/

from moon to 3pm </div></div>


<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Earth to Llotter on the moon, President Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States Of America, born in Hawaii. Please tell all the other Reston Moonies!</span> </div></div>

Wonderful! Why doesn't he provide documented proof and put all of this talk to rest?


Steve

wolfdancer
02-08-2010, 05:45 PM
why doesn't your group of right wing nut jobs, provide the proof of their own claims?
President Obama has way more important things to do, then to defend himself against every
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Since you claim to know so much, why don't you take matters into your own hands, huh, huh ??????
What's the problem...you were being overlooked,maybe, as the two self appointed messengers of God, stole yer spotlight...so you decided to bring up this outdated topic?

pooltchr
02-08-2010, 06:07 PM
Who brought up the topic, dipwad????????

If I apply for a job, the company usually requires that I provide documentation to support my application. If I suggested that they do the research on me and see what they can find, I wouldn't even be considered for the job.

Why would this one job be any different?

He has plenty of time to jet off to Hawaii for a week, and he probably has staff that could handle the whole situation with a phone call or two...10 minutes, tops!

Go blow your smoke somewhere else.

Steve

wolfdancer
02-08-2010, 10:20 PM
"HE, don't have to do nuthin...as if you had kept up with the news,
you would know that....HE is the POTUS....in other words, he done
already been "hired"....
If the red crew wants to fire him...then it's up to them to present
their "proof"....I'm sure that they will want your input!!
You and a few other losers here, seem to be the only ones that haven't
accepted the fact that he "am what he say he am"
I guess you think you are much smarter then all his political
opponents must have been...as he was elected Senator, and now "El
Presidente" They were too dumb to check on his "illegal alien" status?

Your job..."it's not DiGiorno...." and his job, should not be
mentioned in the same article...d*****t, as anybody with a 6th grade
ed, can do your job. That you even "dare to compare" is mind boggling.

sack316
02-09-2010, 12:27 AM
I was thinking, even without a birth certificate, it would be easy to show a completed I-9 form. Supposed to have that for any job anyway.

Not that I don't believe him... but still, it would be pretty easy to make people shut up about it.

Sack

pooltchr
02-09-2010, 08:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was thinking, even without a birth certificate, it would be easy to show a completed I-9 form. Supposed to have that for any job anyway.

Not that I don't believe him... but still, it would be pretty easy to make people shut up about it.

Sack </div></div>

My point exactly! Why doesn't he put an end to the discussion once and for all? Is he unable to, or is he just so full of himself that be believes (as some on this board seem to believe) that he is President and can do whatever the heck he pleases?

As they say, where there's smoke....


I had to produce a birth certificate in order to join the military...I guess you don't need to do so if you want to be over all the military services.

Steve

Qtec
02-09-2010, 08:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not that I don't believe him... but still, it would be pretty easy to make people shut up about it.

Sack </div></div>

Why should he bow down to the demands of the lunatic RW fringe?
If they have any serious evidence to back up their claims then lets see it. Its not up to the POTUS to prove any claim made against him by a bunch of closet racists. The more they go on about it, the more they look like a bunch of kooks.
To the RW I say, Obama is now President, get over it.

Q

Gayle in MD
02-09-2010, 08:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was thinking, even without a birth certificate, it would be easy to show a completed I-9 form. Supposed to have that for any job anyway.

Not that I don't believe him... but still, it would be pretty easy to make people shut up about it.

Sack </div></div>

Why should he give any credibility at all to a bunch of total nuts, who are sore losers, and irrational to begin with?

Hawaii has already confirmed his birth, it isn't his duty to have to assauge the irrational rantings of every nut in America, I think given the mess Bush and the Republicans left for him he has other more important issues to deal with other then idiots who pretend that this BS story has any credence.

We'll just let the southern truck drivers who listen to Rush everyday, continue with their irrational rantings...maybe it will divert them from blowing up abortion clinics, joining al Qaeda, or waterboarding their four year old daughters.

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LWW
02-09-2010, 09:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not that I don't believe him... but still, it would be pretty easy to make people shut up about it.

Sack </div></div>

Why should he bow down to the demands of the lunatic RW fringe?
Q

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Because it's the law maybe?

Simple question Q ... do you believe Obama is above the law?

The answers are "YES" or "NO" ... and any obfuscation on your part will be seen as a confirmation that you do.

LWW

LWW
02-09-2010, 09:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hawaii has already confirmed his birth, it isn't his duty to have to assauge the irrational tantings of every nut in America,

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The fact that he walks and talks confirms his birth.

Birth is not a satisfaction of his legal requirement.

LWW

Gayle in MD
02-09-2010, 10:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was thinking, even without a birth certificate, it would be easy to show a completed I-9 form. Supposed to have that for any job anyway.

Not that I don't believe him... but still, it would be pretty easy to make people shut up about it.

Sack </div></div>

Only the stupid are still discussing this non issue. HE HAS PRODUCED IT!!!!

How many time will the nutty right continue to bring up this non isses???

Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: November 1, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

Analysis
Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."

Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.

Corsi: Well, what would be really helpful is if Senator Obama would release primary documents like his birth certificate. The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. How is anybody supposed to really piece together his life?

Doocy: What do you mean they have a "false birth certificate" on their Web site?

Corsi: The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it.

Doocy: Well, couldn't it just be a State of Hawaii-produced duplicate?

Corsi: No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce.


Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are:

The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal.
It isn't signed.
No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.

In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters.
The certificate number is blacked out.
The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008.
The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth."

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.



The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller



Alvin T. Onaka's signature stamp



The raised seal



Blowup of text

You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which haven't been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes.

The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.

We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.



Blowup of certificate number
Some of the conspiracy theories that have circulated about Obama are quite imaginative. One conservative blogger suggested that the campaign might have obtained a valid Hawaii birth certificate, soaked it in solvent, then reprinted it with Obama's information. Of course, this anonymous blogger didn't have access to the actual document and presents this as just one possible "scenario" without any evidence that such a thing actually happened or is even feasible.


We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen."


We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well: "It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over."

In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:


Obama's birth announcement


The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.

Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.

When we asked about the security borders, which look different from some other examples of Hawaii certifications of live birth, Kurt said "The borders are generated each time a certified copy is printed. A citation located on the bottom left hand corner of the certificate indicates which date the form was revised." He also confirmed that the information in the short form birth certificate is sufficient to prove citizenship for "all reasonable purposes."

–by Jess Henig, with Joe Miller
Sources
United States Department of State. "Application for a U.S. Passport." Accessed 20 Aug. 2008.

State of Hawaii Department of Health. "Request for Certified Copy of Birth Record." Accessed 20 Aug. 2008.

Hollyfield, Amy. "Obama's Birth Certificate: Final Chapter." Politifact.com. 27 Jun. 2008.

The Associated Press. "State declares Obama birth certificate genuine" 31 Oct 2008.

Nakaso, Dan. "Obama's certificate of birth OK, state says; Health director issues voucher in response to 'ridiculous' barrage" Honolulu Advertiser 1 Nov 2008.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

(There ae links which show the actual perforated seal on the above page. Not that it will silence the nuts from the right, who consistantly deny reality. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Gayle

Qtec
02-09-2010, 10:29 AM
G, there no amount of proof that you can present that will satisfy the nutjobs here. Next they will be demanding that Obama prove he is not an alien from Alpha Centauri .

Q

pooltchr
02-09-2010, 10:45 AM
OK, if he is a natural born US citizen, how did he manage to travel to countries that the state department was not allowing US citizens to visit?


Steve

Gayle in MD
02-09-2010, 10:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">G, there no amount of proof that you can present that will satisfy the nutjobs here. Next they will be demanding that Obama prove he is not an alien from Alpha Centauri .

Q </div></div>

True, but alas, we are dealing with people here who admire Sara Palin, a blithering idiot! what else can we expect!

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LWW
02-09-2010, 10:48 AM
From Gayle's link:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. <span style="color: #3366FF">Nobody has questioned he is a citizen, that is not the legal requirement for holding his office. Governor Arnold Schwarzeneggar is a citizen ... so is Henry Kissinger. Neither are eligible to be POTUS.</span> Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

Analysis
Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate. <span style="color: #3366FF">Nobody has questioned this either.</span>

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."

Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures." <span style="color: #3366FF">Also not in question.</span>"</div></div>

It is simply amazing how a very poor act of word parsing satiates the curiosity of the O-cult.

LWW

wolfdancer
02-09-2010, 11:37 AM
Hey,if they can't believe the Dr. Chiyome Fukino report, they can go Fukino themselves...er..that is, go and see Fukino themselves.
And why are the P and S silent in corps,what is the right afraid of?
But, not to worry....I have it on good authority that our Prez, has hired GWB's speech coach, and soon he will be bumbling all the way through, instead of just tripping over one word.

pooltchr
02-09-2010, 11:49 AM
Larry,
Comments from anyone who still refuses to accept that the president they call the "chimp" actually beat their candidate <span style='font-size: 17pt'>twice</span> and pretty much irrelivent.

Steve

LWW
02-09-2010, 01:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey,if they can't believe the Dr. Chiyome Fukino report, they can go Fukino themselves...er..that is, go and see Fukino themselves.
And why are the P and S silent in corps,what is the right afraid of?
But, not to worry....I have it on good authority that our Prez, has hired GWB's speech coach, and soon he will be bumbling all the way through, instead of just tripping over one word. </div></div>

Nobody said it wasn't true.

OTOH ... some looked at what it actually said while some allowed someone else to tell them what it said.

It doesn't say what you wish it said.

Bless you brother wolf, and may enlightenment bless you this day. You have been deceived by lightning from the heights.

LWW

Alfie
02-09-2010, 10:04 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why should he bow down to the demands of the lunatic RW fringe? Q </div></div>
Because it's the law maybe?
Simple question Q ... do you believe Obama is above the law?</div></div>
If the POTUS is in violation of the law, why is it not being enforced?
Whose job is it to enforce this law?

LWW
02-10-2010, 02:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alfie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why should he bow down to the demands of the lunatic RW fringe? Q </div></div>
Because it's the law maybe?
Simple question Q ... do you believe Obama is above the law?</div></div>
If the POTUS is in violation of the law, why is it not being enforced?
Whose job is it to enforce this law?
</div></div>

The US AG ... who is beholden to Obama.

LWW

Gayle in MD
02-10-2010, 06:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey,if they can't believe the Dr. Chiyome Fukino report, they can go Fukino themselves...er..that is, go and see Fukino themselves.
And why are the P and S silent in corps,what is the right afraid of?
But, not to worry....I have it on good authority that our Prez, has hired GWB's speech coach, and soon he will be bumbling all the way through, instead of just tripping over one word. </div></div>

Saturday Night Live could fire all of their writters, and just re-run Sara's and Bush's hilariously ignorant speeches!

"Is our children learning?"

Nope! Not the ones in the tea parties. Not the wonkies on here.

Adk them anything, and you'll get the same answer...

"Wonk wonk wonk, wonk wonk wonk wonk and wonk wonk wonk wonk!!!"

Why bother reading any of it. All idiots speak the same ignorant language. Lies, exaggerations, attacks, insults, and gross egomania which fails to recognize their complete ignorance, misstatements, and misinformation.

A total waste! Prove them wrong, and they praise their debating success!


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How come they all live in the south and the fly-over states???? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif
G.

LWW
02-10-2010, 08:41 AM
Wonk wonk wonk, wonk wonk wonk wonk and wonk wonk wonk wonk!!!

LWW

pooltchr
02-10-2010, 11:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[
Why bother reading any of it.

A total waste!

<span style="color: #FF0000"> So tell us, why do you bother reading it????????</span>
How come they all live in the south and the fly-over states????
G. </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">Elitist!

Steve </span>

Alfie
02-10-2010, 05:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alfie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Whose job is it to enforce this law?
</div></div>
The US AG ... who is beholden to Obama.
LWW </div></div>
Was the republican administration's AG before Tuesday, January 20, 2009 also beholden?

Was this issue brought before the courts by any party? If so, how did the courts rule?