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Gayle in MD
02-07-2010, 09:18 PM
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<span style='font-size: 11pt'> Palin's tea party speech full of false and misleading national security claims</span>


February 07, 2010 4:34 pm ET
During her address before the National Tea Party Convention, Fox News contributor Sarah Palin made numerous false and misleading claims about national security and foreign policy, including suggesting that the Obama administration doesn't use the word "war," that interrogators didn't ask alleged Christmas Day bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab about his training and future al Qaeda plots, and that Abdulmutallab has not provided information since he "lawyered up and invoked our U.S. constitutional right to remain silent."

CLAIM: Abdulmutallab "lawyered up and invoked our U.S. constitutional right to remain silent"
From Palin's February 7 National Tea Party Convention speech:

PALIN: What followed was equally disturbing after he was captured. He was questioned for only 50 minutes. We have a choice in how to do this. The choice was only question him for 50 minutes and then read his Miranda rights. The administration says then there are no downsides or upsides to treating terrorists like civilian criminal defendants. But a lot of us would beg to differ. For example, there are questions we would have liked this foreign terrorist to answer before he lawyered up and invoked our U.S. constitutional right to remain silent. [CNN Transcripts, 2/6/10]

REALITY: Administration source reportedly says Abdulmutallab currently "cooperating," officials say he provided intelligence after being Mirandized. Responding to Senate Intelligence Committee chairwoman Sen. Diane Feinstein in a February 2 hearing (accessed via the Nexis database), FBI Director Robert Mueller agreed that "Abdulmutallab has provided valuable information" and that "the interrogation continues despite the fact that he has been Mirandized." Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair testified in the same hearing: "There are decisions that have to be made in which you balance the requirement for intelligence with the requirement for a prosecution and the sorts of pressure that you bring onto the people that you arrest in either form. It's got to be a decision made at the time. And I think the balance struck in the Mutallab was a very -- was an understandable balance. We got good intelligence, we're getting more."

Moreover, a February 2 Reuters article reported "a law enforcement official['s]" comment that "Abdulmutallab is talking and has been talking since last week providing useful, actionable and current intelligence that we've been actively following up on." The New York Times also reported:

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian man accused of trying to blow up a jetliner bound for Detroit on Dec. 25, started talking to investigators after two of his family members arrived in the United States and helped earn his cooperation, a senior administration official said Tuesday evening.

Mr. Abdulmutallab, 23, began speaking to F.B.I. agents last week in Detroit and has not stopped, two government officials said. The officials declined to disclose what information was obtained from him, but said it was aiding in the investigation of the attempted terrorist attack.

"With the family, the F.B.I. approached the suspect," the senior administration official said, speaking to reporters at the White House on the condition of anonymity because of the pending legal case. "He has been cooperating for days." [New York Times, 2/2/10]

CLAIM: Abdulmutallab not interrogated about training and future plots
From Palin's February 7 National Tea Party Convention speech:

PALIN: There are questions that we would have liked answered before he lawyered up, like where exactly were you trained and by whom. You are bragging about all these other terrorists just like you, who are they? When and where will they try to strike next? [CNN Transcripts, 2/6/10]

REALITY: Interrogators reportedly sought and received such information from Abdulmutallab. Appearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee on January 20, FBI Director Robert Mueller testified that interrogators interviewed Abdulmutallab "to gain intelligence, intelligence about whether there's another bomb, whether other coconspirators, where'd he get the bomb" (accessed via Nexis). Also, Newsweek's Michael Isikoff reported on his blog:

While at the hospital, he was interrogated for "about an hour" by veteran FBI agents with the bureau's Joint Terrorist Task Force in Detroit. During that hour, one official said, the agents learned a wealth of information from Abdulmutallab about his connections to Al Qaeda; who he met with in Yemen; where he got the bomb that was sewn into his underwear; and "who trained him in Yemen." Added another official: "We got a lot of leads."

The Associated Press similarly reported: "Shortly after 3:30 p.m., FBI agents began interviewing the suspect in his hospital room, joined by a CBP officer and an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent. The suspect spoke openly, said one official, talking in detail about what he'd done and the planning that went into the attack. Other counterterrorism officials speaking on condition of anonymity said it was during this questioning that he admitted he had been trained and instructed in the plot by al-Qaida operatives in Yemen."

CLAIM: Obama administration uses "words like 'overseas contingency operation' instead of the word 'war' "
From Palin's February 7 National Tea Party Convention speech:

PALIN: Let me say, too, it's not politicizing our security to discuss our concerns because Americans deserve to know the truth about the threats that we face and what the administration is or isn't doing about them. So let's talk about them. New terms used like "overseas contingency operation" instead of the word "war." That reflects a world view that is out of touch with the enemy that we face. We can't spin our way out of this threat. It is one thing to call a pay raise a job created or saved. It is quite another to call the devastation that a homicide bomber can inflict a "manmade disaster." I just say, come on, Washington, if no where else, national security, that is one place where you've got to call it like it is. [CNN Transcripts, 2/6/10]

REALITY: Obama has repeatedly used the word "war." President Obama used the word "war" at least seven times during his January 27 State of the Union speech. Moreover, following Obama's January 7 remarks on the attempted Christmas Day bombing of a Northwest Airlines flight -- remarks during which Obama stated, "We are at war. We are at war with al Qaeda" -- numerous conservative media figures falsely suggested that prior to that speech, Obama had not characterized the fight against terrorists as a war. In fact, in his inaugural address, Obama stated that "[o]ur nation is at war against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred," and he has repeatedly discussed terrorism as the rationale for U.S. military action abroad.

CLAIM: "Our president spent a year reaching out to hostile regimes, writing personal letters to dangerous dictators"
From Palin's February 7 National Tea Party Convention speech:

PALIN: It's that same kind of misguided thinking that is seen throughout the administration's foreign policy decisions. Our president spent a year reaching out to hostile regimes, writing personal letters to dangerous dictators and apologizing for America, and what do we have to show for that? Here's what we have to show. North Korea tested nuclear weapons and longer-range ballistic missiles. [CNN Transcripts, 2/6/10]

REALITY: Bush, Clinton also wrote personal appeals to North Korean leader. A December 6, 2007, Associated Press article reported, "President Bush's personal letter to North Korean leader Kim Jong Il, raising the possibility of normalized relations if he fully discloses his nuclear programs by year's end, is a turnabout for a president who has labeled the communist regime part of an 'axis of evil.' " AP further reported that the letter "reflected how U.S. policy toward the nation has shifted from the days when Bush shunned the dictator." Also, a May 27, 1999, Associated Press article reported, "North Korea's leader, Kim Jong Il, received a letter on Wednesday from President Clinton brought by a special envoy to the isolated Communist country, the official North Korean news agency reported. The envoy, William Perry, delivered the letter through Kim Yong Nam, head of North Korea's legislative Supreme People's Assembly, according to the Korean Central News Agency, which was monitored in Seoul."
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<span style="color: #000066">On Top of her lies, she had crib note written on her hand during the question and answer period!

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-sirucek/did-palin-use-crib-notes_b_452458.html

<span style="color: #000066">Sara is not the only RW pundit lying about these same points. The righties are all basically telling the seme lies, from the usual Fox Flunkies, to the Republican flunkies on Capital Hill. </span>

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wolfdancer
02-08-2010, 03:08 AM
I think it was divine intervention, that kept the hockey puck out of the White House.
"The National Tea Party Convention" wow, what a political motivator that would be....
I'll give her another few months time before she is no longer quotable,'cept maybe on Fox News, and the Glenn Beck comedy Hour.

hondo
02-08-2010, 06:41 AM
The silence from the Right is deafening.
They are scouring RW rags looking for a rebuttal.

Gayle in MD
02-08-2010, 07:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it was divine intervention, that kept the hockey puck out of the White House.
"The National Tea Party Convention" wow, what a political motivator that would be....
I'll give her another few months time before she is no longer quotable,'cept maybe on Fox News, and the Glenn Beck comedy Hour.

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OMG. when the right says we are afraid of her, they are right, but not in the way they think. Most of America does shudder when the thought hits their brain, that Palin, or McCain, might have had the RW Activist Supreme Court Appoint them into the White House!

She proved her own gross hypocracy when she demanded that R.Emanuel resign, and then completely overlooked the numerous use of the same word, in a vicious manner, by Limpballs.

She was bashing President Obama for using a telepromtor, while peeking at her own cribs written on her hand!!!???

Exactly what someone of her mentality would come up with, Junior High School remedies for her gross ignorance, and mental laziness. What a crock!

She has to be THE MOST SNARKEY politician of the century. My new name for Sara, The Snarkey Mom.

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LWW
02-08-2010, 08:39 AM
I'm waiting to see what the lies were?

LWW

pooltchr
02-08-2010, 09:35 AM
She has a few words on her hand. Obama has every word he speaks on a teleprompter. What's the diff?


Steve

LWW
02-08-2010, 11:28 AM
And now for something completely different:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Holder's Premature Mirandization of Suspect
A Commentary By Debra J. Saunders
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Republicans have been hitting the Obama administration for Attorney General Eric Holder's too-quick decision to Mirandize accused Christmas bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab after a mere 50 minutes of what has been described as valuable interrogation. After the Miranda moment, the would-be bomber clammed up.
Critics argue that the FBI did not need to tell the Nigerian citizen that he had a right to remain silent and to an attorney. For one thing, he is not a U.S. citizen, but arguably an "enemy combatant" caught entering the country intent on committing an act of war. And even if he were a U.S. citizen, a "public-safety exception" for putting off a Miranda reading is recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court. So how do the Obamans defend this clear mistake?

The answer: By reminding people that President George W. Bush allowed accused terrorists to be Mirandized first. As if that makes Holder's decision smart and solid.
On Wednesday, Holder sent a letter to Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell that noted that the decision to try Abdulmutallab in criminal court and interrogate him a la Miranda was consistent with "policies and practices" adopted by previous administrations and "were not criticized when employed by previous administrations."

Be it noted, Obama and other Dems were in no position to criticize the Bushies for being too easy on terrorists because they were so busy kicking them for being too tough on the likes of accused 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. And Republicans had their hands full defending Bush against efforts to weaken intelligence-gathering.

Holder also noted that under Bush, law enforcement officials advised now-convicted shoe-bomber Richard Reid, a British citizen, "of his right to remain silent and to consult with an attorney within five minutes of being removed from the aircraft" Reid tried to blow up.

Bush supporters have responded by noting that military tribunals were not operational when Reid was arrested in December 2001, hence, his treatment was mirrored that of any other accused criminal. That still doesn't mean it was a swell idea to Mirandize Reid before actionable intelligence might have been gleaned.
At Senate Intelligence Committee hearings last week, Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, grilled Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair and FBI Director Robert S. Mueller on the premature Mirandizing of Abdulmutallab. Mueller nonsensically responded that "fast-moving" events prompted the decision.

"So what were the fast-moving events of that day that necessitated issuing his Miranda rights?" Snowe asked. "I'm not clear on that. What was the rush?"
Mueller answered that the FBI wanted to know if there were other planes with bombs, who the bomb maker was and who directed the attack. So why Mirandize Abdulmutallab? After the Miranda moment, Abdulmutallab stopped talking.
Mueller added, "We also want to utilize his statements to effectively prosecute him." To which GOP Sen. James Risch of Idaho, a former prosecutor, marveled, "You had 200 witnesses who saw what he did." The FBI, Risch argued, should have tried to "wring everything you can out of this guy" and pass it on to intelligence officials. If they had gotten Abdulmutallab to spill the beans, the national security machine might have acted -- by sending drones, repositioning satellites for surveillance -- to prevent the next copycat passenger. There would be no need to introduce what interrogators learned into a courtroom to win a conviction, given the number of witnesses and physical evidence against the defendant.

For his part, Blair had told the committee that officials who questioned Abdulmutallab got "good intelligence. We're getting more." The administration has let it be known that after weeks of silence, Abdulmutallab has begun to talk again.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Unfortunately, the would-be bomber has gotten chatty with weeks-old information. He's talking, but the horse has left the barn.</span>

Blair testified that it is "certain" al-Qaida will attempt another attack on the United States in coming months. In that light, Holder's decision seems both reckless and clueless.

Blair also gave his latest iteration on what was thought to be a newly formed High Value Detainee Interrogation Group, or HIG. At congressional hearings last month, Blair testified that the FBI should not have questioned Abdulmutallab, as "we did not invoke the HIG in this case. We should have. Frankly, we were thinking more of overseas people and, duh, you know, we didn't put it (in action) here."

Later that day, Blair's office disclosed that the HIG was not yet operational. From duh to oops. At the Senate hearing, Blair announced that the HIG is "moving along," and "we are using the components that we expect will coalesce into HIG."
By all means, coalesce quickly. Because it is "certain" another attack will be attempted, it would be nice if the interrogators are less preoccupied in nailing an already easy prosecution and more interested in thwarting terrorist attacks.
In trying to mollify Snowe, Mueller suggested that she think of this interrogation as "a continuum. Don't consider it a snapshot."

Thank you, Yoda.</div></div>
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LWW

hondo
02-08-2010, 01:42 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">She has a few words on her hand. Obama has every word he speaks on a teleprompter. What's the diff?


Steve </div></div>

Oh, there is no doubt in my mind that Sarah Palin is much
deeper, sharp-witted, quicker on the uptake, wittier,
more eloquent, than Obama.

Why, just listen to them speak!

Are you for friggin real?
No,seriously! Do you and your clan really
believe what you say about Palin?

Or is this just some ugly, retarded goof by the
Right to see how far they can yank the Left's chain?

Steve, I don't even like Obama. I have given him a chance and I think he sold out to the Tri-Laterals.

But, he is quick, charming, picks up on what is thrown at him masterfully.
Certainly not the moron that idiot Lotter claims he is.

Meanwhile, Palin spouts cliches, sound-bites, platitudes,
and when asked for further clarification, proves to be clueless.

Have we really gotten to the point in America that neo-cons
can convince the sheeple that ignorance is strength and
intelligent people are morons and they swallow it?

Lord, Lord help us all!

LWW
02-08-2010, 02:09 PM
Bless you brother hondo, I can see you are at least trying to understand.

LWW

Gayle in MD
02-08-2010, 02:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">She has a few words on her hand. Obama has every word he speaks on a teleprompter. What's the diff?


Steve </div></div>

Oh, there is no doubt in my mind that Sarah Palin is much
deeper, sharp-witted, quicker on the uptake, wittier,
more eloquent, than Obama.

Why, just listen to them speak!

Are you for friggin real?
No,seriously! Do you and your clan really
believe what you say about Palin?

Or is this just some ugly, retarded goof by the
Right to see how far they can yank the Left's chain?

Steve, I don't even like Obama. I have given him a chance and I think he sold out to the Tri-Laterals.

But, he is quick, charming, picks up on what is thrown at him masterfully.
Certainly not the moron that idiot Lotter claims he is.

Meanwhile, Palin spouts cliches, sound-bites, platitudes,
and when asked for further clarification, proves to be clueless.

Have we really gotten to the point in America that neo-cons
can convince the sheeple that ignorance is strength and
intelligent people are morons and they swallow it?

Lord, Lord help us all! </div></div>

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Have we really gotten to the point in America that neo-cons
can convince the sheeple that ignorance is strength and
intelligent people are morons and they swallow it?
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Dear Hondo,
Yes, that is the sad truth of it all, and exactly why we are in this horrible situation, and how President Obama came to inherit the multi FUBARS left to him by The Chimp! THE most horrendous spread of multi disasters left by any former president.

In 2004, the British headlines should have read....

"How Can Forty Million Morons, Be So Dumb! But alas, we should have expected it, after reading the twisted Bubba Bible on here, "Debts don't matter" written by Mr. Hypocracy himself.

Bush and the Republikooks bankrupted the country. Then they decided to block everything the Democratics and President Obama are trying to do to get the country back on it's feet.

One can easily research the demise, entirely on Bush's watch...and uner a Republikook Majority, yet the radicals fail to notice that countries all over the world, are having to spend money to jump start their own ecnomies in order to divert Bush's disastrous GLOBAL IMPENDING DEPRESSION, yet Republikooks, don't know the difference between spending and borrowing out of choice, and having to spend in order to aid our suffering citizens, and to divert Bush's multi level disasters.

Morons!

Only MORONS would compare Palin having to use a cheat sheet to help herself remember her own policy talking points, to President Obama, using a telepromptor when he is discussing vast ranging, complicated and detailed statistics in his national addresses.
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He surely had no telepromptor in front of him during the Republikook Retreat, whilst he blew away all of their petty lies and accusations, and pretenses on the efficaciousness of their already proven failed policies, all of which they wish to repeat! Never mind that those same policies were what led us to this nightmare!

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Morons, cannot appreciate a highly educated, brilliant leader, obviously! Hence, we must be bombarded with chimpanzee Palinspeak, as if we hadn't already had enough of that language long before we got rid of the chimp in chief, from the Snarkey Mom, yet!!! AKA.... Godzilla from Wasilla.

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A preview of Palin's next speech...


"Aba dabba aba dabba aba dabba energy. Aba dabba aba dabba aba dabba aba dabba tax cuts. Aba dabba aba dabba aba dabba terrorists. Aba dabba aba dabba aba dabba Ronald Reagan. Aba dabba aba dabba aba dabba telepromptor!"

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hondo
02-08-2010, 02:54 PM
Nice to see you agree for a change.

I hope folks wake up to just how shallow she is.

ChefJeff's analysis of her speech and intellectual capacities was dead on.

wolfdancer
02-08-2010, 02:59 PM
you left out the best lines from that song:
"Abba dabba dabba dabba dabba dabba dabba"
said the monkey to the chimp.
"Abba dabba dabba dabba dabba dabba dabba"
said the chimpee to the monk.

Gayle in MD
02-08-2010, 03:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you left out the best lines from that song:
"Abba dabba dabba dabba dabba dabba dabba"
said the monkey to the chimp.
"Abba dabba dabba dabba dabba dabba dabba"
said the chimpee to the monk. </div></div>

I was afraid I might confuse my intellectual friends on the forum by using the actual words of the song. Didn't want anyone to think I was refering to the on-going dialog between the Little Wonkie Weenie and the fooltchr. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

wolfdancer
02-08-2010, 03:08 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of Sarah having a tete a tete with GWB....I'd have paid for a transcript of that...

Gayle in MD
02-08-2010, 03:10 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was thinking more along the lines of Sarah having a tete a tete with GWB....I'd have paid for a transcript of that... </div></div>

I think you just wrote the entire conversation, above. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif You can pick any two Republikooks, and the conversation remains the same. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

LWW
02-08-2010, 03:17 PM
I'm waiting to hear what the lies were?

I'm hoping that nobody was bearing false witness?

LWW

pooltchr
02-08-2010, 03:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[
A preview of Palin's next speech...


"Aba dabba aba dabba aba dabba energy. Aba dabba aba dabba aba dabba aba dabba tax cuts. Aba dabba aba dabba aba dabba terrorists. Aba dabba aba dabba aba dabba Ronald Reagan. Aba dabba aba dabba aba dabba telepromptor!"

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A preview of Gayle's next post.

Radical RW Morons.......women have the right to kill an unborn child they are carrying....Obama is the most wonderful person to walk the planet....(insert a cut and paste job from HuffPo) Democrats are the only salvation of the country...Republicans are all evil and should be eliminated, or at least censored so the truth doesn't get out.......The government needs to spend more money they don't have because the economy is bad....and finally.............


But Bush!!!!!!!!!


Steve

wolfdancer
02-08-2010, 03:42 PM
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Sid_Vicious
02-08-2010, 04:20 PM
I sure hope that SNL jumps back onto Palin by Tina Fay. Dat was some funny chit man! It is time once again to ream Sara out on SNL. It's just too d@mned funny to know there's such a dunce as the most prominent candidate for 2012. SNL, give us Sara Palin again. sid

Here's some!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFQ645ZR6g0

Doesn't anyone in that camp believe in pulling out? (Sara's 5 kids)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2OUJ8ZUTiI&feature=related

Gayle in MD
02-08-2010, 04:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sid_Vicious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I sure hope that SNL jumps back onto Palin by Tina Fay. Dat was some funny chit man! It is time once again to ream Sara out on SNL. It's just too d@mned funny to know there's such a dunce as the most prominent candidate for 2012. SNL, give us Sara Palin again. sid

Here's some!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFQ645ZR6g0 </div></div>

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Tina has her down to a science! Sara sometimes looks like she is doing an immitation of Tina! I kept thinking of that while watching this last fiasco of a speech!

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Joe Scarborough said this morning that only about 20% of the Republican Party approve of her, and some of them are refusing to allow her to show up at their campaigns.

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sack316
02-08-2010, 05:22 PM
Sid! Where you been my friend?

Sack