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Deeman3
03-03-2010, 09:12 AM
<span style="color: #FF0000"> The tip of the iceberg, of course, but better late than never. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</span>


WASHINGTON - Rep. Charles Rangel announced Wednesday he will temporarily step down as chairman of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee, saying he didn't want his ethics controversy to jeopardize election prospects for fellow Democrats.


The 20-term Harlem congressman held a news conference on short notice, telling reporters, "My chairmanship is bringing so much attention to the press, and in order to avoid my colleagues having to defend me during their elections, I have this morning sent a letter" asking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi "to grant me a leave of absence until such time as the ethics committee completes its work."


The 79-year-old Rangel's decision was another jarring setback for President Barack Obama and majority Democrats in Congress, coming at a time when the party is scrambling to save sweeping health care overhaul legislation that has been pending on Capitol Hill for well over a year and still assessing a surging anti-incumbent fervor among the voters.


Republicans had been calling for Rangel to step aside since last year, when the House ethics panel expanded its investigation into his trips, assets and income, use of rent-controlled apartments in New York and his solicitation of contributions for university center to be named after him. After the panel released its findings last Friday on the Caribbean trips, Rangel started losing support among rank-and-file Democrats as well.

LWW
03-03-2010, 09:22 AM
The culture of corruption is crumbling.

LWW

sack316
03-03-2010, 09:23 AM
"...in order to avoid my colleagues having to defend me during their elections..."

That's his reason? I wish people would just own up and say "Yeah, I screwed up, ya caught me, so I gotta go hide for a bit."

Sack

pooltchr
03-03-2010, 10:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"...in order to avoid my colleagues having to defend me during their elections..."

That's his reason? I wish people would just own up and say "Yeah, I screwed up, ya caught me, so I gotta go hide for a bit."

Sack </div></div>

I guess that was as close as he could come to finding some sort of high moral ground to stand on!

Steve

wolfdancer
03-03-2010, 11:13 AM
Shades of Adam Clayton Powell:
" He became chairman of the Education and Labor Committee in 1961. As committee chairman he supported the passage of important social legislation, but was eventually removed from his seat by the Democratic members-elect of the 90th Congress following allegations of corruption."
But as the Bible says: "let the party without sin....cast the first stone"

Deeman3
03-03-2010, 11:44 AM
I am not without sin but I have not been entrusted with the tax policy and abused it.

I just wish we could get back the money he spent on getting over 40 buildings named for himself! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Gayle in MD
03-03-2010, 05:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not without sin but I have not been entrusted with the tax policy and abused it.

I just wish we could get back the money he spent on getting over 40 buildings named for himself! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

I wish we could get back all the money Bush doled out to corporations that were gouging the American Public, for eight years.

I wish we could get back the ten billion dollars a month he wasted in Iraq, and the over four thousand dead Americans.

I wish we could get back the money he borrowed from China, to pay for his tax cuts and war of choice.

I wish we could get back the money the oil industry made off all of our dead soldiers.

If wishes were horses, we could take a nice long ride.

G.

pooltchr
03-03-2010, 06:25 PM
Deeman,
As far as I know, there is nothing in the rules that allow a committee chair to "temporarily" step down. You are either the chair, or you aren't. But, I guess if Nancy says it's ok, then it must be ok.

I haven't heard any outcry from the left on his activities, just more "But Bush".

Unbelievable! The stupidity of partisanship continues!

Steve

wolfdancer
03-03-2010, 07:35 PM
What a dumb post...like everybody is supposed to reply to your exclusive news flash....and then they are stupid if they don't.
What a putz...
But.... people like you know they can't get anybody to listen to them spiel off about politics, world affairs, without them looking you in the eye and thinking WTF...or worst case....they fall off their bar stool, laughing so hard......
You should be giving thanks to Al Gore for inventing the 'net, otherwise you would be talking to your dog....until he decided to go outside and void his bowels.....which is what I feel like doing when I read this sh*t...go outside and void my bowels......

pooltchr
03-03-2010, 07:41 PM
Was I talking to you???????????

No!!!

But you do enjoy stalking my posts, don't you?

Steve

Oh, Yeah. It wasn't my "exclusive news flash" Someone else posted it, I just commented on it! And it wasn't exclusive, it's been all over the news.
If you want to participate, at least try to stay current!

wolfdancer
03-03-2010, 07:45 PM
you know how we so look forward to your educational postings, and jes cain't help but add constructive <s>criticism</s> commentary on them.....

LWW
03-04-2010, 05:44 AM
There are so many criminals in the demook party I can't tell them apart without a program?

LWW

Deeman3
03-04-2010, 08:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I haven't heard any outcry from the left on his activities, just more "But Bush".

Unbelievable! The stupidity of partisanship continues!

Steve </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">Steve,

I have to disagree here. Artur Davis, a black congressman from Alabama is the first of the Black Caucus to denounce Rangel as a crook and say he can't stay as a Chairman. There may not be many, but some do stand up against the powerful when it would be easier to go along. In the near past, it would have been unthinkable for a balck caucus member to oppose a senior black statesman.

We have to recognise when someone steps up or we all just become jaded at all politicians. I, for one, applaud Congressman Davis in looking out for his country rather than his party.

Now, if nanacy would just take the same path, like that is gonna happen. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</span>

pooltchr
03-04-2010, 09:47 AM
I stand corrected. However, it has been very limited. If it had been a republican, they would have been crawling out of the woodwork demanding his resignation, not just his chairmanship.

Steve

LWW
03-04-2010, 11:29 AM
Where oh where are the leftists here who claim to despise corruption?

What's that?

Trolling in an attempt to make sure the truth isn't discussed?

LWW

Gayle in MD
03-04-2010, 12:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I haven't heard any outcry from the left on his activities, just more "But Bush".

Unbelievable! The stupidity of partisanship continues!

Steve </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">Steve,

I have to disagree here. Artur Davis, a black congressman from Alabama is the first of the Black Caucus to denounce Rangel as a crook and say he can't stay as a Chairman. There may not be many, but some do stand up against the powerful when it would be easier to go along. In the near past, it would have been unthinkable for a balck caucus member to oppose a senior black statesman.

We have to recognise when someone steps up or we all just become jaded at all politicians. I, for one, applaud Congressman Davis in looking out for his country rather than his party.

Now, if nanacy would just take the same path, like that is gonna happen. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</span> </div></div>


<span style="color: #000066"> The man is gone, and gave up his chair, is he not?

The difference between Democratics breaking rules, and Republicans breaking them, is that the Republicans will do ANYTHING BUT RESIGN OR GIVE UP THEIR CHAIRMANSHIPS, INCLUDING STARTING FIRES IN THEIR OFFICE, TO EXCAPE THEIR OWN ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES!

Seems to me, Sanford, Ensign, Vitter, and a slew of others, are still around, even after THEY cheated on their Taxes in their Washington D.C. "Church" of extra curricular activities.

Sanford, so praised by his cronies in South Carolina, completely vanished, and abandoned his entire state, and refused to resign! Those Republicans looked the other way, because the deputy governor was an anti gay rights, closeted gay man.

Anyway, how do you know what role Speaker Pelosi played in the NY Senator's resignation from his chairmanship, in the first place?? Truth is, you don't.

Just more partisan attacks against a man who hasn't done anything any more unethical than your beloved Sara Palin, Tom Delay, the last Republican Speaker of the House, or even your beloved Glen Beck! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

G.</span>

pooltchr
03-04-2010, 12:42 PM
From what I understand, he has "temporarily" stepped aside from his chairmanship, although I know of no other time in history when the subject of an ethics investigation was allowed to step aside "temporarily"

And, no, he is not gone!

Steve

wolfdancer
03-04-2010, 12:43 PM
Dee, please don't confuse tchr with facts, thank you

pooltchr
03-04-2010, 12:48 PM
How thoughtful of you to actually add something of substance to the discussion!

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Steve

Gayle in MD
03-04-2010, 01:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you know how we so look forward to your educational postings, and jes cain't help but add constructive <s>criticism</s> commentary on them..... </div></div>

LMAO! Total Ignore is the only way to go. It really keeps me in a great mood! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Here are just a few corrupt Republicans. Can't recall a single post from the right on here complaining about Republican corruption, vast as it has been, in all of these years! Not even when the escape from retribution was as obvious as burning down the office, to destroy the evidence!

As you read the list, notice how few of them were ever forced to resign their positions of power!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Republican Scandals - Scandals involving the GOP

Republican Governor George Ryan - 4/17/2006 racketeering and bribery -
(76 people convicted)
Republican Governor Bob Taft - 8/18/2005. 5 counts failure to report
gifts from Lobbyists
Republican Governor John Rowland - 12/24/2004 Bribery
Republican Governor Sonny Perdue - Campaign ethics violations

NH GOP Chair Chuck McGee - conspiracy to make harassing phone calls to
block people from voting.
Republican Aide Allen Raymond
Republican James Tobin (NE Regional Dir., Bush campaign) - 12/15/05
conspiracy to commit telephone harassment, aiding and abetting of
telephone harassment
Republican Charles McGee (Executive Director of the NH Republican State
Committee )
Republican Shaun Hansen. GOP Marketing aide - conspiracy to commit
telephone harassment and aiding and abetting telephone harassment

Republican Aide Scott Falwell - racketeering, mail fraud and obstruction
of justice
Republican Aide Alexandra Prokos - Perjury
Republican Aide Jim Ellis - 13 counts of unlawful acceptance of a
corporate political contribution, money laundering
Republican Aide John Colyandro - money laundering
Republican Brian Hicks - bribery
Republican Chief of Staff Peter Ellef - Bribery
Republican Roger G. Stillwell - Interior Department official - bribed by
Abramoff

Republican Lobbyist Jack Abramoff - defrauding of American Indian tribes
and corruption of public officials
Republican Lobbyist and Congressional Aide (to Tom Delay) Tony Rudy -
conspiracy
Republican Representative Bob Ney - Conspiracy to defraud the United
States and making false statements
Republican Neil Volz (lobbyist and aide to Bob Ney) - bribery and
corruption
Republican William Heaton (Bob Ney’s chief of staff) - Conspiracy
Republican Representative Randy “Duke” Cunningham - conspiracy to
commit bribery, mail fraud, wire fraud, and tax evasion

Republican David Hossein Safavian. Lying, obstruction of Justice

Democratic Senator Traficant - bribery and forcing his aides to perform
chores

Republican Chief of Staff Lewis “Scooter” Libby - two counts of perjury,
one of obstruction of justice, and one of making false statements to
federal investigators
Republican Tom Noe - Laundered money for the 2004 Bush-Cheney campaign,
theft, corruption, party chairman and Bush Pioneer fundraiser
Republican Gov Ernie Fletcher - 13 aides indicted
Republican Micheal Scanlon (lobbyist and aide to Tom DeLay) - bribery
Deputy Secretary Steven Griles - bribery, perjury, obstructing a
congressional investigation.
Republican Congressional aide Mark Zachares - bribery
Republican deputy Interior secretary Stephen Griles - Obstruction of
Justice
Republican lobbyist Italia Federici - Tax Evasion, Obstruction of
Justice
Republican Lobbyist and Congressional Aide (to Tom Delay) Michael
Scanlon - Conspiracy to bribe public officials
Republican Interior Department official Roger Stillwell - failure to
report gifts
Republican Brent Wilkes - 13 counts of bribery (of Duke Cunningham)
Republican Mitchell Wade - bribery (of Duke Cunningham)

Confessed under grant of Immunity
———————————
Monica Goodling, White House liaison for Alberto Gonzales - Hired
federal prosecuters based upon party affiliation.

Indicted/Charged
—————-
Republican Tom Delay - conspiring to violate Texas state election law,
money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Reprimanded
by House Ethics Committee
Republican Lawrence Novak
Republican Nathan Taylor
Kyle “Dusty” Foggo (George W Bush’s CIA Executive Director) - 30
wide-ranging counts of fraud, conspiracy,
money laundering, leaking classified information.
Republican Lurita Alexis Doan, Administrator of the General Services
Administration - violations of the Hatch act.
Democratic Senator William Jefferson - 16 counts of racketeering,
soliciting bribes and money-laundering

Under investigation
—————————
Republican Senator Ben Stevens - bribery, corruption, tax evasion
Republican Karl Rove - Abramoff, interfering in federal investigations,
obstruction of justice
Republican President George W. Bush - Abramoff, interfering in
federal investigations, obstruction of justice
Republican Vice President Dick Cheney - Abramoff, interfering in
federal investigations, obstruction of justice
Republican Governor and RNC Chairman Haley Barbour - Laundered money
from foreign governments into presidential elections. Used non-profit
organizations for illegal purposes. Perjury.
Republican Representative Mark Foley - Pedophilia
Republican Representative Mark Reynolds - Covered up for Mark Foley
Republican Representative Dennis Hastert - Covered up for Mark Foley
Republican Governor Mitt Romney - Made false statements to bondholders
Republican Governor/Ex Representative Jim Gibbons - Bribery
Republican Attorney General Gonzales - Fired US Attorneys for
prosecuting Republicans, interfering in federal investigations,
obstruction of justice, lying to Congress, perjury, witness tampering.
Republican Paul J. McNulty - Deputy Attorney General. Interfering in
federal investigations, obstruction of justice, lying to Congress,
perjury
Republican Senator Pete Domenici - Used influence to get a US Attorney
fired
Republican Representative Heather Wilson - Used influence to get a US
Attorney fired
Republican Representative Tom Feeney - bribery
Republican Representative Richard George Renzi - Corruption, bribery,
conflict on interest.
Republican Representative Jerry Lewis - Accepted gifts from Lobbyists,
bribery, honest services fraud, dispensation of special favors
Republican Representative John Doolittle - Accepted money from Jack
Abramoff in exchange for favors.
Democratic Representative Alan Mollohan -May have funneled money to his
own home-state foundations
Republican Representative Rick Renzi - bribery, sponsored legislation
that dealt hundreds of millions of dollars to his father’s business
Republican Representative Tim Murphy - Ethics violations regarding use
of Congressional staff for campaign purposes.
Republican Representative Gary Miller - Illegal land deals, tax fraud
Republican Representative Ken Calvert - Steered federal money to
projects near his private real estate developments.
Republican Representative Don Young - bribery
Republican Bradley Schlozman (Justice Department) (Obstruction of
Justice, filed charges for political reasons, interfered with civil
rights cases)
Republican Mark Rey (Bush’s Under Secretary for Natural Resources and
the Environment and Timber lobbyist). Violations of the Endangered
Species Act and the National Environmental Policy Act
Republican State Inspector General Howard Krongard - Perjury, lying to
Congress, obstruction of justice.

Implicated - May be under investigation
————————————–…
Richard Shelby (REPUBLICAN SENATOR - AL)
Robert Riley (REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR- AL)
J. D. Hayworth (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - AZ)
Dana Rohrabacher (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - CA)
Doug Ose (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - CA)
Richard Pombo (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - CA)
John Doolittle (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - CA)
Ed Royce (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - CA)
Scott McInnis (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - CO)
Rob Simmons (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - CT)
Tom Feeney (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - FL)
Ric Keller (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - FL)
John Isakson (REPUBLICAN SENATOR - GA)
Saxby Chambliss (REPUBLICAN SENATOR - CA)
Jack Kingston (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - GA)
Michael Simpson (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - ID)
Butch Otter (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - ID)
Jerry Walker (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - IL)
Dan Burton (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - IN)
Charles Grassley (REPUBLICAN SENATOR - IA)
BOB EHRLICH (REPUBLICAN GOVENOR- MD)
Dave Camp (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - MI)
Gil Gutknecht (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - MN)
Christopher Bind (REPUBLICAN SENATOR- MO)
Jim Talent (REPUBLICAN SENATOR- MO)
Charles Pickering (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - MS)
Roger Wicker (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - MS)
Thad Cochran (REPUBLICAN SENATOR- MS)
Dennis Rehberg (REPUBLICAN SENATOR- MT)
Jon Christensen (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - NE)
John Ensign (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - NV)
Roger Wicker (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - MS)
Jim Saxton (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - NJ)
Frank LoBiondo (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - NJ)
Mike Ferguson (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - NJ)
Heather Wilson (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - NM)
Charles Taylor (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - NC)
Walter Jones (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - NC)
Jean Schmidt (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - OH)
Ralph Regula (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - OH)
Ernest Istook (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - OK)
James Inhofe (REPUBLICAN SENATOR- OK)
Tom Coburn (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - OK)
Gordon Smith (REPUBLICAN SENATOR- OR)
Arlen Specter (REPUBLICAN SENATOR- PA)
Curt Weldon (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - PA)
Joe Pitts (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - PA)
John Thune (REPUBLICAN SENATOR - SD)
Bill Janklow (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - SD)
Van Hilleary (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - TN)
Chris Cannon (REPUBLICAN SENATOR- UT)
Eric Canter (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - VA)
Randy Forbes (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - VA)
George Allen (REPUBLICAN SENATOR- VA)
Tom Davis (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - VA)
George Nethercutt (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - WA)
Doc Hastings (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - WA)
Dave Reichert (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - WA)
Mark Green (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - WI)
Paul Ryan (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - WI)
Shelly Moore Capito (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - WV)
Mike Enzi (REPUBLICAN SENATOR- WY)
Barbara Cubin (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - WY)
Robert Riley (REPUBLICAN GOVENOR - AL)
Marilyn Musgrave (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE- CO)
Jim Nussle (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - IA)
Matt Blunt (REPUBLICAN GOVENTOR- MO)
Roy Blunt (REPUBLICAN MAJORITY LEADER - MO)
Jon Christensen (FORMER REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE- NE)
Jeb Bradley (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - NH)
John E Sununu (REPUBLICAN SENATOR - NH)
Jean Schmidt (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - OH)
Joe Wilson(REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - SC)
Gresham Barrett (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - SC)
Henry Brown (REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE - SC)

</div></div>

pooltchr
03-04-2010, 01:59 PM
that's a bit of a stretch. More than half your list are people who are "under investigation" or "may be under investigation". Hardly a surprise considering the total control the Dems have in congress. Then you take out the people who are aids, lobbiests, etc, and your "list" is far less impressive.

But you probably knew that when you cut and pasted it.

Steve

sack316
03-05-2010, 07:31 AM
What else is funny, is if you look up lists of democratic scandals. To my complete shock and dismay, it was just as long! Wow, who woulda thunk it? Corruption and greed, illegal activity and scandal, all exist in the big 2 political parties. Wow, incredible, that almost leads me to believe there is corruption in politics period! But surely that couldn't be.

Sack

pooltchr
03-05-2010, 08:14 AM
Sack. Corruption by democrats doesn't count. That is just the way they do business. They went to one of the most corrupt cities in the country to find their latest leader, a man who follows the teachings of the likes of Sal Alinsky and the Rev Wright. They buy votes for their legislation with huge payoffs to specific districts, and judgeships for family members. They admit to using strong arm tactics to get what they want.

But that isn't corruption...it's just business as usual for Democrats!

Steve

Gayle in MD
03-05-2010, 09:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What else is funny, is if you look up lists of democratic scandals. To my complete shock and dismay, it was just as long! Wow, who woulda thunk it? Corruption and greed, illegal activity and scandal, all exist in the big 2 political parties. Wow, incredible, that almost leads me to believe there is corruption in politics period! But surely that couldn't be.

Sack </div></div>

I never knew you were so naive'!

sack316
03-05-2010, 10:02 AM
or so sarcastic /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Sack

Gayle in MD
03-05-2010, 10:20 AM
I wasn't really being sarcastic, Sack, it was more of a joke.

Just ask yourself, if the same post as mine had come from one of your rightie co-hearts, would you have thought it sarcastic?

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

sack316
03-05-2010, 04:05 PM
Oh, no what I meant was my post about being shocked etc. was me being sarcastic /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Sack

Gayle in MD
03-05-2010, 04:09 PM
check this out:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2720/4407203486_9cd4a3a587.jpg

LWW
03-07-2010, 08:50 AM
He should be in jail.

LWW