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Gayle in MD
03-05-2010, 01:14 PM
March 3 2009

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rules for (Conservative) Radicals
Posted by Michael Laprarie
Published: March 3, 2009 - 5:50 PM
In 1971 Saul D. Alinsky, founder of the Industrial Areas Foundation, published Rules for Radicals. Alinsky wrote the book because, as a man who had spent nearly his entire life organizing, he was dismayed at rag-tag efforts of campus radicals and hippies who claimed to be activists and organizers but who had succeeded only in calling a great deal of attention to themselves, and little else. Alinsky believed that the youth protest movement of the late 1960's - early 1970's had great promise, but he also realized that it was ideologically tattered and hopelessly obsessed with shock and sensationalism instead of results. His book was designed to teach those radicals how to organize.

I would venture to say that most conservatives have never read Rules for Radicals. That's too bad. I wish more conservatives would read it because, whether you love or hate Saul Alinsky, this book is an invaluable source of wisdom and practical advice for anyone who wishes to organize diverse and fragmented factions into a unified body that is capable of challenging major corporate or political power structures.

Chapter 7 of Rules for Radicals is called "Tactics." Alinsky defines tactics as "doing what you can with what you have." He then goes on to list various tactics that he believes are useful for challenging power structures. This is the source if the various "Rule Number XXX of Alinsky's Rules For Radicals" memes that are currently running through conservative blogs. Let's look at the thirteen power tactics that Alinsky discusses:

1. Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.

2. Never go outside the experience of your people. You never want your own people to be disoriented, confused, and disheartened by your own tactics. Save that for the other side.

3. Whenever possible, go outside the experience of the enemy.

4. Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. Alinsky's example is controversial, but effective -- the Christian Church has never lived up to all the rules of Christianity.

5. Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition.

6. A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.

7. A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.

8. Keep the pressure on. Utilize a mix of different tactics and actions on a continual basis. Tie them into current events.

9. The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.

10. The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.

11. If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside. Alinsky illustrates this point with the story about a break-in where his home was ransacked, followed by a break-in at the Industrial Areas Foundation offices using keys taken from his home. The only thing stolen at the IAF office was a set of files concerning a particular corporation that the IAF was targeting. Police noted that "the corporation might just as well have left its fingerprints all over the place."

12. The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. This is an extremely important goal for the organizer. Organizing isn't about rabble-rousing or agitation; it's about solving problems. Alinsky notes that a successful organizations are the ones whose actions actually result in positive change.

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Rule number 13 is all about ending the "dog chasing its tail pattern" of entities shifting blame from one to another -- it's the CEO's fault; no, I answer to the Board of Directors, so it's their fault; no, we answer to the shareholders, so it's their fault, etc. Blame-shifting is an effective stalling tactic and unless it is undermined it can quickly disorient an organizing program. Alinsky says that when you "freeze" a specific target, you not only end the blame-shifting game, but you also smoke out the other targets as they come forward to defend your primary target. The target must also be personal, not an ideology or some other abstraction.

Isn't it interesting that this is exactly the same tactic that Rush Limbaugh used to polarize Bill Clinton during the 1990's? And a note to Rush, Ann Althouse and others -- this is rule #13, not rule #12.

These tactics, particularly 4 and 5, could be devastating to the Obama White House and to thin-skinned, corrupt Democrats in general. Make them live up to their own rules -- pay as you go, most ethical Congress in history, etc. Saturday Night Live and The Daily Show have done a great job ridiculing Democrats. We need to do more. And we need to make it enjoyable. That's part of what makes Rush Limbaugh an effective talk radio host. He is a genius at ridiculing people, and he has a great time doing it. He can "turn it on" while he is on the air, and then "turn it off" and live a normal live outside the broadcasting booth. He doesn't let political things consume him, and because he broadcasts over public air waves he avoids the profanity, crudeness, and vulgarity that completely saturated the tirades and rants that liberals launched against President Bush.

If liberals utilize these tactics regularly (and we know they do), then why can't conservatives utilize them as well? It is a given that they work. It should not be a given that they can only be used by liberals.

One more thing. The goals that conservatives wish to accomplish by using these tactics must be goals developed after they have spent time listening to the problems and concerns of average Americans. If Republicans want to organize a grassroots movement and challenge the Democrats using these tactics, then the ideas behind the movement have to be gleaned from the grassroots themselves, not dictated to the grassroots from above. People will work hard if they believe that someone is helping them achieve things that are in their own best interest. But a grassroots movement will fall apart quickly if participants end up believing that they are nothing more than unpaid laborers for a group of intellectual elites.

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http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/03/03/rules-for-conservative-radicals-1.php
Sick bunch!

Deeman3
03-05-2010, 02:29 PM
A weak attempt to apply known communist doctrine to conservatives just by relabeling it? How lazy....

Gayle in MD
03-05-2010, 02:34 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A weak attempt to apply known communist doctrine to conservatives just by relabeling it? How lazy.... </div></div>

Actually, I didn't write the article, a conservative did so.

I was setting the record straight, as someone else used this very information, and tried to link it to Democratics. Do you think that was lazy? I do, and not only that, it was decietful, as well.

A friend and I were laughing about it, privately, in a pm, but I, I took the road less traveled by, and decided, after receiving the information, to set the record straight.

However, Republicans have now been busted for even more unconscionable slander, in terms of their tactics and methods, and this time, it's bashing their own base. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif Yep, bashing their own potential contributors.

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G.

pooltchr
03-05-2010, 04:14 PM
Deeman. I do agree that every conservative should read Rules for Radicals. KNOW YOUR ENEMY!

Take for instance tactic number 13. We see that tactic used right here on an almost daily basis with the "But Bush" crowd.

Steve

Qtec
03-05-2010, 07:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rules for (Conservative) Radicals </div></div>

Avoid airport men's rooms.
tap tap (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/28/craig.arrest/)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Let me be clear: I am not gay and never have been," said Craig, who has aligned himself with conservative groups who oppose gay rights. </div></div>

Don't get drunk, visit a gay bar and drive home drunk.

o boy (http://billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=298107#Post298107)

Stay away from the sexy young pages.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Six-term Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) resigned yesterday amid reports that he had sent sexually explicit Internet messages to at least one underage <span style='font-size: 14pt'>male former page. </span> </div></div> and they knew about it! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/29/AR2006092901574.html)

Lets face it, the list is endless.


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Q

wolfdancer
03-05-2010, 10:08 PM
"7. A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."
(like some "intellectual" calling the President a moron?)
Of course the "rules" ain't never gonna work, for the wrong side of the aisle, right....'cause:
"One more thing. The goals that conservatives wish to accomplish by using these tactics must be goals developed after they have
spent time listening to the problems and concerns of average Americans.
That ain't a gonna happen....average Americans don't count in the party of the elitists.

Gayle in MD
03-06-2010, 08:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rules for (Conservative) Radicals </div></div>

Avoid airport men's rooms.
tap tap (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/28/craig.arrest/)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Let me be clear: I am not gay and never have been," said Craig, who has aligned himself with conservative groups who oppose gay rights. </div></div>

Don't get drunk, visit a gay bar and drive home drunk.

o boy (http://billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=298107#Post298107)

Stay away from the sexy young pages.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Six-term Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) resigned yesterday amid reports that he had sent sexually explicit Internet messages to at least one underage <span style='font-size: 14pt'>male former page. </span> </div></div> and they knew about it! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/29/AR2006092901574.html)

Lets face it, the list is endless.


/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Q </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066">Yep, all this blown out of proportion BS on here about Democratic corruption, when Republicans NEVER make their bad apples resign. Delay, Sanford, Vitter, Ensign, Palin, (who pulled rank to form her own investigating committee) Hastard, (corrupt REal Estate Deals) Libby, (Pardoned by a Republican Pres.) Nixon (Pardoned by a Republican Pres.) Rove, 5 millions missing e-mails, Gonzo, LMAO, he was too obvious to even NEED a trial, Cheney, (burned up the evidence) Reagan, first thing he did was pull out the taping system, the Teflon President, an actor who could secretly seel arms to the Contras, turn on the charm, pretend he didn't know a damn thing about it, and skip along with no questions, at all, about breaking the law, And they all broke the law.

Since the media is completely owned by the right, it hardly even gets a mention. This Republican "Family Values" group, The Family, is living in a million and a half dollar huge townhouse, on C.Street, and cheating on their taxes, as we write! They've all been involved in a slew of corruption, including affairs, and homosexual activities. They refuse to answer questions about it. There is an investigation going on right now, but do we hear a damn thing about it from the media? Hell no!

No honor at all in the Republican Party. NONE! </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

pooltchr
03-06-2010, 08:22 AM
Obamatrons should probably avoid the subject of tax cheats!!!

Steve

LWW
03-07-2010, 08:56 AM
It really pizzes off the left when Alinsky tactics are used against them ... that's why they hate Ann Coulter so bad.

LWW

Alfie
03-28-2010, 11:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">March 3 2009

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rules for (Conservative) Radicals
Posted by Michael Laprarie
Published: March 3, 2009 - 5:50 PM
In 1971 Saul D. Alinsky, [snip] </div></div>
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/03/03/rules-for-conservative-radicals-1.php
Sick bunch! </div></div>

Seems to me that one overarching theme of Alinsky's rules is to be as obnoxious as possible. Therefore I pray the right wont go down this road.

Gayle in MD
03-28-2010, 11:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alfie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">March 3 2009

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rules for (Conservative) Radicals
Posted by Michael Laprarie
Published: March 3, 2009 - 5:50 PM
In 1971 Saul D. Alinsky, [snip] </div></div>
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/03/03/rules-for-conservative-radicals-1.php
Sick bunch! </div></div>

Seems to me that one overarching theme of Alinsky's rules is to be as obnoxious as possible. Therefore I pray the right wont go down this road. </div></div>

You're a little late.

G.

cushioncrawler
03-28-2010, 03:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One more thing. The goals that conservatives wish to accomplish by using these tactics must be goals developed after they have spent time listening to the problems and concerns of average Americans. If Republicans want to organize a grassroots movement and challenge the Democrats using these tactics, then the ideas behind the movement have to be gleaned from the grassroots themselves, not dictated to the grassroots from above. People will work hard if they believe that someone is helping them achieve things that are in their own best interest. But a grassroots movement will fall apart quickly if participants end up believing that they are nothing more than unpaid laborers for a group of intellectual elites.</div></div>CEO's shood be a part of the repub's "grass'roots".
madMac.
(This woz funny when i thort it -- but duznt read so funny -- duzzenmadder).

Under
03-31-2010, 09:47 PM
<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Oh, I will have to pass this news along to Ann Coulter.

Oh, I forgot, she already uses the methods to unsettle the leftys.

Just read any of her articles and you can catalog them.
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