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Gayle in MD
03-08-2010, 12:24 PM
<span style="color: #000066">LMAO! Looks like Sara found Canada's "socialised" medicine good enough to sneak over the border and access it herself, though!</span>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin -- who has gone to great lengths to hype the supposed dangers of a big government takeover of American health care -- admitted over the weekend that she used to get her treatment in Canada's single-payer system.

"We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada," Palin said in her first Canadian appearance since stepping down as governor of Alaska. "And I think now, isn't that ironic?"

The irony, one guesses, is that Palin now views Canada's health care system as revolting: with its government-run administration and 'death-panel'-like rationing. Clearly, however, she and her family once found it more alluring than, at the very least, the coverage available in rural Alaska. Up to the age of six, Palin lived in a remote town near the closest Canadian city, Whitehorse.

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nati...article1492634/ (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/sarah-palin-sees-eye-to-eye-with-albertans-in-calgary-speech/article1492634/)

Deeman3
03-08-2010, 01:17 PM
So, the fact that when she was 6 years old her parents took her to the closest town to get health care is a problem. She "sneaked" across the border? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Tell us that her folks had rather drive 120 miles for Alaskian health care or that she was "smuggled" to Cuba by her folks and it might be news. Even if she did this as an adult but nope.

Gee, you folks will stoop to anything to make her look bad.

eg8r
03-08-2010, 02:36 PM
Pretty funny that you are comparing the decisions of a 6 year old's parents to a 40-something year old thinking for herself. How about back when you used to pick your buggers and then eat them? How does that coincide with your reaonsings to not do so now? Yes you are correct Gayle, at the ripe age of 6 Palin would "sneak over the border and access it herself".

eg8r

Gayle in MD
03-08-2010, 02:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, the fact that when she was 6 years old her parents took her to the closest town to get health care is a problem. She "sneaked" across the border? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Tell us that her folks had rather drive 120 miles for Alaskian health care or that she was "smuggled" to Cuba by her folks and it might be news. Even if she did this as an adult but nope.

Gee, you folks will stoop to anything to make her look bad. </div></div>

What makes you think she only went there until she was six?

Got a link to prove that?

G.

Gayle in MD
03-08-2010, 02:57 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pretty funny that you are comparing the decisions of a 6 year old's parents to a 40-something year old thinking for herself. How about back when you used to pick your buggers and then eat them? How does that coincide with your reaonsings to not do so now? Yes you are correct Gayle, at the ripe age of 6 Palin would "sneak over the border and access it herself".

eg8r </div></div>

Ed, I've been posting to you lately because someone wrote here that you had shown improvement in your ability to post nasitness, without juvenile Bs, and without insults.

If you regress back to your former nasty posts, I'll put you back on ignore. Not that I'm saying you would care, just telling you in advance.

G.

wolfdancer
03-08-2010, 03:03 PM
Slightly off topic here....but the latest "news" by the well respected spokesman for the right....Tom Delay...
he says "Americans want to be unemployed"... I guess that's why they voted, (with a little help from my friends, at Diebold) voted two terms in for Dick and <s>dick</s> clueless.

Gayle in MD
03-08-2010, 03:05 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Slightly off topic here....but the latest "news" by the well respected spokesman for the right....Tom Delay...
he says "Americans want to be unemployed"... I guess that's why they voted, (with a little help from my friends, at Diebold) voted two terms in for Dick and <s>dick</s> clueless.
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Tom Delay?!!! LMAO, Mr. Hoochie Koochie himself&gt;

I can still see that nerd right now, shaking his butt back and forth in fron of the camera.

OMG! Bring out the pink feathered boa!

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eg8r
03-08-2010, 03:08 PM
What part was nasty or insulting? You are the one that is posting a nasty thread about Palin when she was 6 years old. Instead of making this about you and doing disgusting things as a child think about Palin going where her mother took her.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
03-08-2010, 03:25 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What part was nasty or insulting? You are the one that is posting a nasty thread about Palin when she was 6 years old. Instead of making this about you and doing disgusting things as a child think about Palin going where her mother took her.

eg8r </div></div>

It isn't nasty to point out her hypocracy, Ed. She's been bashing Canada's style of health care from the getgo, and now it comes out she went across the border for Canada's Health Care?

LMAO!

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pooltchr
03-08-2010, 03:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
"We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada," Palin said in her first Canadian appearance since stepping down as governor of Alaska. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>"And I think now, isn't that ironic?"</span>
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Maybe she is pointing it out herself.
"My parents used to take us there, and now I see that their system is seriously flawed. Isn't that ironic?"

You will pounce on anything at all to disperage her. It's really sad how you can turn on one of your own like that.
It's really not becoming.

Steve

LWW
03-08-2010, 06:22 PM
And another article that proves the poster to be wrong in their claim.

This is just too rich.

LWW

eg8r
03-08-2010, 08:12 PM
How is it hypocrisy for her to go where her mother takes her. When you were six did you tell you mother where you would be getting medical attention and how it would be paid for? Give me a freaking break. This is as nit-freaking-petty as you have ever been. SHE WAS FREAKING SIX YEARS OLD!!!

eg8r

eg8r
03-08-2010, 08:13 PM
Read your own freaking link...

eg8r

eg8r
03-08-2010, 08:15 PM
Well, if that is what they wanted that is what they are getting. Obama has put his mind to the grind and even outperformed his own estimates of 8.5%. He is now at 9.7%. They might say he is not really an American, but no one will say he does not strive to beat his own estimations.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
03-09-2010, 06:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How is it hypocrisy for her to go where her mother takes her. When you were six did you tell you mother where you would be getting medical attention and how it would be paid for? Give me a freaking break. This is as nit-freaking-petty as you have ever been. SHE WAS FREAKING SIX YEARS OLD!!!

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She told the same story, in two different towns. She said they went to Canada, when her brother hurt his leg, then when she went to Juno, she said the brother was rushed to Juno.

Basically, she's a big liar.

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Chilled
03-09-2010, 07:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
"We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada," Palin said in her first Canadian appearance since stepping down as governor of Alaska. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>"And I think now, isn't that ironic?"</span>
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Maybe she is pointing it out herself.
"My parents used to take us there, and now I see that their system is seriously flawed. Isn't that ironic?"


Steve </div></div>

Good point....Think most would agree that is what she was saying.

Does it have any significant value in itself to the health care debate?......possibly not, but I'd rather not pass any firm opinion on that.

What it does indicate to me is that she quite possibly has a none too strong grasp of what irony actually is.

pooltchr
03-09-2010, 08:22 AM
I think it is a good example of irony. Here she is, fighting a healthcare plan for our country, even when as a child, her parents opted to have her treated by a similar plan.

Steve

Chilled
03-09-2010, 12:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it is a good example of irony. Here she is, fighting a healthcare plan for our country, even when as a child, her parents opted to have her treated by a similar plan.

Steve </div></div>

It's no big deal and I didn't introduce the comment about Palin in order to be confrontational, but there's no other way to now reply other than to point out that your own above remarks only serve to indicate that you are no more clued up on what "ironic" actually means than either Sarah Palin or Alanis Morrisette (great song but practically nothing described in the lyrics is actually "ironic").

As an earlier poster has pointed out, Sarah was only 6 years old when she was taken for Canadian health care and knew nothing about what was going on administratively. There is no good reason to think that a child of that tender age being taken for such Canadian health care then makes that child become in later years as an adult any more or any less likely to be pro or anti a Canadian type model of health care than she would have turned out to be in any case without the visit at age 6.

Her being anti health care bill as an adult therefore had no element of the unexpected. Without that element this cannot be an example of something ironic. "Amusing" possibly, "mildly coincidental"(in a warped kind of way) maybe, "interesting" perhaps (to anyone who leads a humdrum life or who is obsessed by party politics), but "ironic".....nope.

Don't shoot the messenger, I didn't make the rules lol.

Gayle in MD
03-09-2010, 12:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chilled</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it is a good example of irony. Here she is, fighting a healthcare plan for our country, even when as a child, her parents opted to have her treated by a similar plan.

Steve </div></div>

It's no big deal and I didn't introduce the comment about Palin in order to be confrontational, but there's no other way to now reply other than to point out that your own above remarks only serve to indicate that you are no more clued up on what "ironic" actually means than either Sarah Palin or Alanis Morrisette (great song but practically nothing described in the lyrics is actually "ironic").

As an earlier poster has pointed out, Sarah was only 6 years old when she was taken for Canadian health care and knew nothing about what was going on administratively. There is no good reason to think that a child of that tender age being taken for such Canadian health care then makes that child become in later years as an adult any more or any less likely to be pro or anti a Canadian type model of health care than she would have turned out to be in any case without the visit at age 6.

Her being anti health care bill as an adult therefore had no element of the unexpected. Without that element this cannot be an example of something ironic. "Amusing" possibly, "mildly coincidental"(in a warped kind of way) maybe, "interesting" perhaps (to anyone who leads a humdrum life or who is obsessed by party politics), but "ironic".....nope.

Don't shoot the messenger, I didn't make the rules lol. </div></div>

She tells this story two different ways, depending on where she is at the time.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Sarah Palin heads north. Er, south. Er, to Calgary. -UPDATED. (NOW WITH HER DAD!)
By Jason Markusoff Sun, Mar 7 2010 COMMENTS(33) Inside Alberta Politics



It was little surprise that Sarah Palin's first visit to our home and native land (of public health care and gay marriage) would be in Calgary. It also shouldn't be surprising that she was able to curry favour with the local crowd by speaking at length and with much authority about the Alaska government's process of securing TransCanada for the Alaska Pipeline Project.

What was fascinating about the ever-fascinating Sarah Palin's speech was another of her Canadian connections. One that didn't involve hockey.

“My first five years of life we spent in Skagway, Alaska, right there by Whitehorse (180km away. see map). Believe it or not – this was in the ‘60s – we used to hustle on over the border for health care that we would receive in Whitehorse. I remember my brother, he burned his ankle in some little kid accident thing and my parents had to put him on a train and rush him over to Whitehorse and I think, isn’t that kind of ironic now. Zooming over the border, getting health care from Canada."

Given all the politician-turned pundit's warnings about the ills of expanding government role in U.S. health care (see: panels, death), this was, yep, pretty ironic-sounding. Now in fairness, she was born in Idaho and them moved to Alaska as an infant in 1964, two years before the Medical Care Act that established national medicare came to Canada. Several years after universal coverage came to acute hospital care like burns, mind you. But then, it's not exactly anybody's political choice where they receive medical attention when they're less than five years old, to say nothing of the political ideologies one doesn't really develop around that age.

(UPDATE, 4:17pm March 8: According to this Health Canada page, hospital insurance came to Yukon in 1960, and full medical insurance with federal cost-sharing in 1972.)

In researching where the heck Skagway is, I also stumbled across an alternate version of her brother's Medicare story:

Palin drew from her Skagway past to illustrate her point. Her brother burned his foot badly jumping through a fire, and her mother had to take him down to Juneau on the ferry to the hospital. “All these years later, that’s still what people have to rely on here in some instances,” she said.

UPPERDATE, 12:00am March 9: The ex-governor's dad, Chuck Heath, tells Associated Press:

Palin's father said Monday they had little choice, given their location in Skagway.

"There was no road out of there at that time," said retired teacher Chuck Heath, reached by phone in Wasilla. "The ferry schedule was very erratic. We had no doctor in Skagway. The plane schedule was very erratic. The winds dictated whether the planes could come in or not."

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Palin's father said his family probably boarded the train for the Whitehorse hospital only twice — once when a daughter had rheumatic fever, and once when his son, also named Chuck, severely burned his leg and an infection set in.

"We much preferred to use our facilities because my insurance didn't cover anything in Whitehorse. And even though they have socialized medicine, I still had to pay the bill, being an American citizen," Heath said.

Heath worked part-time for the White Pass & Yukon Railroad and had a pass allowing him and his family to ride for free.

The train in the 1960s often was the only option for getting to a doctor, Skagway Mayor Tom Cochran said.

(So this does suggest that either her brother had two accidents, or Sarah Palin was fibbing to the Skagway News a few years ago.)

The Yukon reference was actually the only time heath care was mentioned in Palin's speech, or in the subsequent interview with Conservative Senator Pamela Wallin, who is still better known as a veteran TV journalist (although that didn't get mention in the program's three-paragraph bio). Wallin did press her on why Palin wanted to be a political leader if she was warning Tea Partiers not to take someone on as their leader because "a politician will disappoint." ("If a candidate has proper perspective..." the former VP candidate began her reply.

And she also spoke about how, as governor, she significantly hiked state taxes for oil companies. In her words, she "readjusted the value" of extracting the resource that belong to Alaskans. It reminded me how long it's been since I've heard the term "fair share" came up in discourse about Alberta resource royalties.

No cameras or recording devices were allowed in the BMO Centre hall where she spoke.

The crowd was speckled with Alberta conservative politicos, including Ralph Klein smiling cherubically in the front row. Others I saw included:

Federal minister (and former Alberta treasurer) Stockwell Day; Calgary MPs Rob Anders and Lee Richardson;

Provincial Tory ministers Jon Denis and Alison Redford; backbenchers Art Johnston, Dave Rodney, Alana DeLong, Manmeet Bhullar; former energy minister Greg Melchin, Klein aide Rod Love;

3/4 of the Wildrose Alliance caucus: leader Danielle Smith, Paul Hinman and Rob Anderson

Aldermen Joe Connelly, Gord Lowe and Diane Colley-Urquhart


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http://communities.canada.com/CALGARYHERALD/blogs/insidealberta/default.aspx

LWW
03-09-2010, 02:59 PM
Thanks for posting that Gayle as it demonstrates her parents took the kids there because it was the closest hospital and not because of any perceived belief that Canadian health care was better ... and certainly not because of nationalized hospital health care as it didn't even exist at the time.

Furthermore, check into what happens in Canada if you are an American and have a non life threatening emergency while there.

I have a friend who fell on the ice in Windsor a few years ago and broke a wrist. The E-room told him he could pay in full immediately or call a cab to take him to the states.

LWW

Qtec
03-09-2010, 06:02 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for posting that Gayle as it demonstrates her parents took the kids there because it was the closest hospital </div></div>..........<span style='font-size: 20pt'>in another country!!!!!</span>

It seems that socialised Canadian HC was pretty good to the Palin family.

Q

pooltchr
03-09-2010, 11:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It seems that socialised Canadian HC was pretty good to the Palin family.

Q </div></div>

Maybe it was. But that was 40 years ago.

Steve