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wolfdancer
03-09-2010, 08:57 PM
XXX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSpf9hot4XM&feature=related)

eg8r
03-10-2010, 06:50 AM
I did not have time to look at your link but the guy is definitely confused. First he is sick, then Rahm is out to beat him up in the Congressional showers. If he really cared about taking down the Healthcare bill he would have made it a point to stick around a little longer. Since he left so quickly it makes me believe the allegations are true and he did not want to be investigated and have the info brought to light.

eg8r

pooltchr
03-10-2010, 08:48 AM
That is certainly a possibility. Another possibility is that he became a victim of the Dem strong arm tactics that have become so prevelant in the last year. We may never know.

Steve

Deeman3
03-10-2010, 11:06 AM
I think he is just a nut case!

pooltchr
03-10-2010, 11:28 AM
A nut case???? In Washington?????

Oh No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Steve

Gayle in MD
03-10-2010, 05:41 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> XXX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSpf9hot4XM&feature=related) </div></div>

Steny gave him an ultimatum, and now he's gone.

Pelosi said she wasn't going to put up with anthing that wasn't right, and so far, she's kept thing going very well.

Remember Tom Delay? Vitter? Gonzo? Sanford? Ensign? The list goes on and on. None of them were asked to resign, and none of them offered.

Corruption goes on, it's the way it is handled by the Party Leaders, that's what Ethics is all about.

Republicans never resign. No Ethics at all. Even Nixon, was pardoned.

They have the east coact franchise on CYA, hence, Bush isn't in jail! Neither is Cheney. Gonzo couldn't recall, ten thousand times. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Now Rove is out there admitting that he outed Ed's secretary. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif
and Admitting Bush didn't mind a bit.

Admitting that without the WMD BS, the congress would never have approved of giving them any power to go after Iraq.

Actually, Congress never did give them the go ahead to invade and occupy a sovereign nation.

OPh, and don't forget, Patrick Fitzgerald was a Republican Appointee.
He left the cloud over the Vice President's office. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

pooltchr
03-10-2010, 06:45 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[
Pelosi said she wasn't going to put up with anthing that wasn't right, and so far, she's kept thing going very well.

Remember Tom Delay? Vitter? Gonzo? Sanford? Ensign? The list goes on and on. None of them were asked to resign, and none of them offered.


</div></div>

But then, none of them were voting against Pelosi's healthcare bill, either.

Steve

Qtec
03-11-2010, 04:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is certainly a possibility. Another possibility is that he became a victim of the Dem strong arm tactics that have become so prevelant in the last year. We may never know.

Steve </div></div>

There is no mystery.

The Rude Pundit.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yesterday's meeting of demi-minds, when ex-Rep. Eric Massa went on Glenn Beck's Fox "news" thing, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>was like watching Borat for the first time. You didn't know who to laugh at more,</span> but the whole thing was queasily delightful. <u>In the end, the hour said very little about Massa and far, far more about the delusions of Beck and of his brand of right-wing victimization than anything else.</u>

Massa is just a pathetic figure, even if he holds positions that would make Dennis Kucinich proud. Of one of the charges against him, he said, "Not only did I grope him, I tickled him until he couldn't breathe and four guys jumped on top of me. It was my 50th birthday. It was kill the old guy." Five middle-aged men living together in DC, rolling around on the floor? It's either gangbang foreplay or it's brain damage. Even more fun was Massa proudly showing Beck an album of photos from his Navy days when Massa took part in a 1983 "crossing the line ceremony." That's when a ship crosses the equator, and there's a Bacchanalian ritual for the sailors who do so for the first time. Or, as Massa said, "Can you imagine transporting back to this today? It looks like an orgy in Caligula...And anybody who's been in the Navy knows it."

Yep, Massa is defending himself with one of the most homoerotic events that shipfuls of seamen participate in: "As the equator crossing ceremony began, for instance, it was common for initiates to pile upon each other and then be ordered to simulate sodomy. Featured in 'Bitch Beauty Contests,' dressing in drag was expected in the ceremony, often overseen by Neptune’s Court, including a Queen who gives mocking hugs and kisses to the King. Initiates were also told to simulate an 'elephant walk' in which a line of men moved while holding the genitals of the person in front of them or having a finger in his anus. To 'disinfect' or 'sanitize' selected individuals, senior sailors sometimes forced an initiate to strip and put tubes and other objects in the initiate’s rear end." Seriously, the Rude Pundit's been to actual gay orgies that were straighter.

<u>But Massa is just another simpering closet case who will now go on to wreck his family because he can't deal with who he really is. </u><span style='font-size: 20pt'>The real result of the interview is to demonstrate, vividly, just how arrogant, narcissistic, and worthless Glenn Beck is </span>and the utter failure of his model of television news-raping.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Beck was hyping the interview because he cravenly saw the Massa story as another way to pump up his conspiracy theories about the eeevil Obama administration.</span> <u>Without knowing the facts, or even seemingly having his staff do a pre-interview, on Monday, Beck promised, "I don't know the guy. But this is a moment that will decide the course of this nation possibly...You need to hear the explanations and the stories he told me today. I ask you, if you are a Republican or a Democrat, please listen to him and decide for yourself. Someone needs to expose the game. And Massa is doing it." You get that? Beck said that the Eric Massa story had the potential to change the country. And only Glenn Beck has the balls to allow this bull a free run around the china shop.
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Even as the hour was beginning yesterday, <u>Beck was fluffing the Massa tale like a crack whore with a rock-holding old man out of Viagra. "Is there anything new to his charges of corruption? We've told you about corruption on this program over and over and over again. When he says he's been intimidated -- oh, I believe it, because I've seen it firsthand myself,"</u> Beck offered, giving credibility to someone who was the victim of "nothing but hearsay, whispers and rumors. I'm going to be asking pointed questions today. But shouldn't a man be expected to face his accusers? Or is this now just a country of whisper campaigns?" Actually, Massa refused to face his accusers because he resigned, but that was just part of the conspiracy for Beck.

Then the interview started and, almost instantly, even a fucktard like Beck knew that the whole hour was going down in flames. When Massa showed Beck that book of the equator-crossing ceremony, the fat-faced bastard looked like he was gonna vomit. The rest of the show was a train wreck where the conductor and the guy in the caboose were crushed. Beck attempted a late rally, offering after a break, "He claims nothing happened. It's up to you to decide, I guess, if we're going to try this in a court of public opinion, which I think is un-American." Beck demonstrated that there's a reason that reporters do their jobs sometimes: in order to prevent such wrecks from occurring. Beck's belief in Massa was rewarded with squirming defensiveness, and the path of the nation seemed pretty damn stable.

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>But what became clear is that Beck doesn't have control of the story he is trying to create. That his cut-and-dried world of corrupt insiders and noble outsiders is an illusion. That what he believes, as clearly as ever, is, like Massa, a bundle of lies and hubris, a mental illness masked with chalk and bile.</span>

// posted by Rude One @ 11:48 AM </div></div>

Q

Qtec
03-11-2010, 04:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another possibility is that he became a victim of <u>the Dem strong arm tactics </u>that have become so prevelant in the last year. </div></div>

Give one example of 'the Dem strong arm tactics'.

Q

Gayle in MD
03-11-2010, 05:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another possibility is that he became a victim of <u>the Dem strong arm tactics </u>that have become so prevelant in the last year. </div></div>

Give one example of 'the Dem strong arm tactics'.

Q </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066">OMG! We sure didn't have to worry about Republicans strong arming any of their corrupt representatives off committees, out of office, or giving them ultimatum, either fess up, or resign.

The guy left because he was assured there would be a complete and full ethics investigation. So, in typical, illogical, duckspeak thinking, the quote above ridicules Democratics, for taking action, when it is appropriate.

Unbelievable! </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

pooltchr
03-11-2010, 08:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another possibility is that he became a victim of <u>the Dem strong arm tactics </u>that have become so prevelant in the last year. </div></div>

Give one example of 'the Dem strong arm tactics'.

Q </div></div>

Don't be rediculous, Q. We have seen multiple examples of arm twisting by the administration in an effort to get votes for this healthcare disaster. If you want to participate in a discussion, you must first get a little bit of knowledge. That means paying attention to what is going on.

But, just so you won't accuse me of ducking the question, how about Nancy Pelosi telling Dems that they must stick together and vote for the bill even if it means they might lose their seat. and telling them if they don't go along, the party will no only not support them in their re-election bid, but will actively support someone to oppose them?

How about those intimidation meetings taking place in the locker room?

Or how about planning to completely bypass a vote in the house on the senate bill and just say it passed <span style='font-size: 17pt'>without actually voting?</span>

The Slaughter Solution is a plan by Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-NY), the Democratic chair of the powerful House Rules Committee and a key ally of Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), to get the health care legislation through the House without an actual vote on the Senate-passed health care bill. You see, Democratic leaders currently lack the votes needed to pass the Senate health care bill through the House. Under Slaughter’s scheme, Democratic leaders will overcome this problem by simply “deeming” the Senate bill passed in the House - without an actual vote by members of the House.

We won't even discuss buying votes for the bill by padding it with extra money for the states where Dem votes were not assured already.

Why do you pretend you don't know about these things?????????

Steve

eg8r
03-11-2010, 10:27 AM
Massa gave a great example, Rahm trying to bully him in the Congressional shower.

eg8r

eg8r
03-11-2010, 10:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OMG! We sure didn't have to worry about Republicans strong arming </div></div>Gayle do two wrongs make a right in your world?

eg8r

Deeman3
03-11-2010, 10:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Massa gave a great example, Rahm trying to bully him in the Congressional shower.

eg8r </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">Yes, Massa said Rahm had the nuts in that shower scene. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </span>

eg8r
03-11-2010, 10:31 AM
Haha. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r

Gayle in MD
03-11-2010, 11:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OMG! We sure didn't have to worry about Republicans strong arming </div></div>Gayle do two wrongs make a right in your world?

eg8r </div></div>

Wrongs? Do you think there is anything new about any of this, Ed? After watching Republicansparrot the same exact words over and over at the last W.H.Meeting, how the heck does anyone from the right criticize Democrats for using the same tactics to get their party to pull together?

It's a riot, reading these posts of the right, after they saw nothing wrong with Gonzo's I can't remember 197 times. The White House under Bush, outing a covert agent to punish her husband for telling the country the truth.

Strong Arm? What does that mean? Men don't talk in the showers? This guy, has changed his story so many times, how the heck does anyone believe anything he says?


Bottom line, the guy is gone, isn't he?

Was Delay gone that fast?

Hastard? He covered up for the pedophile for years? The toe tapper? Republicans didn't do a damn thing.

Vitter, goes to a prostitute and then returns to the Senate and gets a standing ovation from the Republicans?
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Look, I read all of it. The Republicans are by far, the worst, by far, on all counts.

They spent 100 million on WhiteWater, and came up with a BJ. spent millions more on an unimpeachable offense! LNAO /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Then, after 9/11, Bush tried to cut the funding off completely for any investigation. Rice refused to come in and answer questions.

The 9/11 families had to beg to get anything started, and when it finally got under way, the White House put their own people in place to insure that no blame came their way.

After trying to cut the finding for the investigation completely, They only allocated a lousy four million dollars, that's right, four million, to investigate the worst attack on this country since Pearle Harbor, and three thousand dead Americans, but gladly spent 100 million to investigate a BJ!

The Abramoff scandal netted dozens of crookss. Did anyone in the Senate investigate any of them them? Writng up their dirty deals right on their Senate Business Cards? LMAO~! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

The White House lied about knowing him, then the pictures all come out with the guy right there, shaking hands with little Bushy, and all the rest of them? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Cheney goes behind closed doors supposedly to set the country's energy policy, refuses to turn over the notes to ANYONE? Goes all the way to the Supreme Court to hide them. Then we find out he was in there carving up areas in Iraq, for the American Oil CEO's, IN IRAQ, BEFORE 9/11!

You guys are funny, you think you've found yourself a scandal, LMAO, but I watched all of you for eight years, telling me I was full of hate, through Bush's multi scandals, Treason, torture, illegal wire tapping, breaking Geneva conventions....after Bush scandals hit, I was just full of hate! BWA HA HA HA...

It was all A-OK with all of you.

Is it OK for you to call a Secret CIA NOC Agent, nothing but a Secretary?


Republicans are pigs, as far as I am concerned. Lying, stealing, cheating pigs.

That's my OPINION!

Now,.....it's..... oooooh, they're behind closed doors, ooooh, they're strong arming their peers, ooooh, ....LMAO, POLITICS! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif NOT TREASON.... BUT POLITICS!

LMAO, you guys are a joke! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif You got nothing on the Dems, nothing of any substance. The Massa guy is gone, in record time, just like Pelosi said she was going to do, and doing it in record time, comparable to Republicans, who don't do it at all! Their liars and closeted gay guys are STILL in there!

Clean up your own house....Speaker Pelosi is taking fine care of hers.

G.

eg8r
03-11-2010, 12:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wrongs? Do you think there is anything new about any of this, Ed?</div></div>I never said anything was new. You did not like the strong arming tactics by the Reps, so why would you think it is OK for the Dems to do it? Is it that you don't think strong arming is bad on its own, it just depends on the reason?

eg8r

LWW
03-11-2010, 01:50 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OMG! We sure didn't have to worry about Republicans strong arming </div></div>Gayle do two wrongs make a right in your world?

eg8r </div></div>

Wasting your time my friend. In Gayleworld what Rahm does isn't wrong to begin with.

In the O-cult concepts such as "RIGHT" and "WRONG" and "ETHICAL" are entirely malleable.

What is right and what is wrong in the land of the O-cult is determined entirely by what the party says is right and what is wrong.

LWW

wolfdancer
03-11-2010, 02:48 PM
why waste your time, and especially the time of any reader....writing a schoolboy post like that?
It's childish, and that might be over rating it. If you
don't have a constructive argument, or at least a valid point
to make...why not skip the 6th posting....you know...just figuratively.......STFU.

Qtec
03-11-2010, 06:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Andy Borowitz

BorowitzReport.com
Posted: March 11, 2010 11:59 AM


WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) - Providing some pushback to the criticism he has suffered over the past week, colleagues of former Rep. Eric Massa (D-NY) praised him today, with one Republican staffer saying, "Congressman Massa was always eager to reach around the aisle."

Tracy Klugian, the GOP congressional aide who offered that defense, said that Rep. Massa "could always be counted on to grope for solutions."

"No matter how ticklish the fight became, Eric was always very hands-on," Mr. Klugian said. "He would grab a problem by the balls and not let go."

In a related story, the Bureau of Labor Statistics said the number of Americans making cheap jokes about Rep. Massa rose to 48.5 million this week.

"I think the country's new obsession with making jokes about Rep. Massa is a very positive development," said golfer Tiger Woods. More here </div></div>

LOL

Q

Qtec
03-11-2010, 06:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> GOP Lawmaker Demands Recall of Car That Drove Him to Gay Club

Calls Gay Car ‘Menace’

SACRAMENTO (The Borowitz Report) – Anti-gay California State Sen. Roy Ashburn today demanded a sweeping recall of the vehicle that drove him to a gay nightclub this week.

Sen. Ashburn, a Republican who has consistently voted for anti-gay legislation, said that the car drove him to the club “against my will.”

“If we are recalling cars for problems with their brakes and power steering, then surely we should be recalling vehicles that force their drivers to go to gay nightclubs,” Sen. Ashburn said.

The state senator said not only did the car drive him to the gay nightclub, but it forced him to enter the club and party there for hours, resulting in his later arrest for DUI.

“I can’t tell you what a menace this car is,” he said. “It really is the gayest car I’ve ever seen.”

In addition to calling for a recall of the gay car, Sen. Ashburn said he would sponsor legislation mandating that all California vehicles be fitted not only with GPS but gaydar.

In other news, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin offered this appraisal of her standup comedy performance on The Tonight Show: “I was like, I’m not going to quit my day job, but then I remembered I already did.” More here. </div></div>

LMAO

Q /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

wolfdancer
03-11-2010, 07:44 PM
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Four stars!!!! lol

Gayle in MD
03-12-2010, 02:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wrongs? Do you think there is anything new about any of this, Ed?</div></div>I never said anything was new. You did not like the strong arming tactics by the Reps, so why would you think it is OK for the Dems to do it? Is it that you don't think strong arming is bad on its own, it just depends on the reason?

eg8r </div></div>

No, it's that Republicans have come up with another Rebonic word to skew reality.

Now, According to the Repiglicans....

Politics = Strong arming.

They are the demonzing kings and queens of the universe!

When they come into pwer, it's like being invaded by the KGB! The only thing missing is the tanks coming down Pennsylvania Avenue. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

pooltchr
03-12-2010, 08:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[
No, it's that Republicans have come up with another Rebonic word to skew reality.

Now, According to the Repiglicans....

Politics = Strong arming.

</div></div>

Now, According to Democrats...

Bipartisan = Do it our way!

Not much difference?

Steve

llotter
03-12-2010, 08:40 AM
I think the Massa case has raised some interesting questions about how our Congress operates. It seems to me that Massa did the only honorable thing by resigning. It was either resign or become a pawn to blackmail from the Dem leadership...vote as we say or we will ruin your life. While he still clings to an implausible deniability, his only option in that he is married with children, the fact that he resigned can mean he is guilty as sin.

The interesting question to ponder is just how many other Congressmen live as slaves to the leadership because they hold a thick dossier of past sins. There is obviously a number of them who seem to remain in office well beyond what would seem proper and maybe it is because they have sold their vote as apparently Massa was unwilling to do.

It is easy now to imagine a team of private investigators searching the background of every new congressman to dig up some dark information to hold over their head when needed.

pooltchr
03-12-2010, 11:16 AM
I'm sure that, had he been willing to support the party line on healthcare, the dems would have done everything possible to keep him in office.

Steve

Stretch
03-12-2010, 01:10 PM
You guys are painting a pretty grim picture of the American Political system. Why is there not a viable 3rd PARTY? It sounds like most people are just holding thier nose and voting as it is, since no matter who gets in the other side will never let the ELECTED government govern. So who are the REAL power brokers? And why do they have no accountablity? When you hang a politition ( figuratively speeking, although that might not be a bad idea lol ) your just doing away with a puppet not the puppeteer. Sounds like an endless game of catch-up to me. Are we all just pawns of a bigger picture here? Just wondering.

At this rate governments will soon become obsolete due to corruption and bought votes. I think in the future there will be no governments, only huge multinational corperations. Your vote will be for your company and it's well being. Kind of like what it is now only without the middle man. St.

LWW
03-12-2010, 01:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The interesting question to ponder is just how many other Congressmen live as slaves to the leadership because they hold a thick dossier of past sins. There is obviously a number of them who seem to remain in office well beyond what would seem proper and maybe it is because they have sold their vote as apparently Massa was unwilling to do.</div></div>

Well ... Rahm was a muckity muck ubder Clinton, and that admin illegally pulled FBI files on pretty much everybody who was anybody.

Remember when the impeachment hearings started ... data was leaked to the likes of Larry Flynt who provided the needed heads on a stick to keep enough of those in line who couldn't be bought and it kept Billy Jeff in power.

I put nothing past these people.

Nothing.

OTOH ... Bush legally fired some attorneys. Now there is a scandal.

Oh ... the reason they were fired? They didn't want to take on ACORN.

LWW

eg8r
03-12-2010, 01:27 PM
So you are saying the strong arm tactics used by the Dems is just "politics" but when the same is done back at the Dems it is "strong arm" politics.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When they come into pwer, it's like being invaded by the KGB! </div></div>Funny you mention this as it sounds an awful lot like what Obama is trying to do. LOL, buy our government healthcare or we will fine you. Just another tank driven by Obama to push the poor down further.

eg8r

eg8r
03-12-2010, 01:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the Massa case has raised some interesting questions about how our Congress operates. It seems to me that Massa did the only honorable thing by resigning. It was either resign or become a pawn to blackmail from the Dem leadership...vote as we say or we will ruin your life.</div></div>If Massa was not out doing what he should not be doing then the Dems would not be able to "ruin his life". His resigning so quickly lends credence to the accusations about him.

eg8r

eg8r
03-12-2010, 01:31 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys are painting a pretty grim picture of the American Political system.</div></div>It is not pretty for sure, but where there are politics there will be corruption and lies.

eg8r

pooltchr
03-12-2010, 02:04 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys are painting a pretty grim picture of the American Political system. Why is there not a viable 3rd PARTY? It sounds like most people are just holding thier nose and voting as it is, since no matter who gets in the other side will never let the ELECTED government govern. So who are the REAL power brokers? And why do they have no accountablity? When you hang a politition ( figuratively speeking, although that might not be a bad idea lol ) your just doing away with a puppet not the puppeteer. Sounds like an endless game of catch-up to me. Are we all just pawns of a bigger picture here? Just wondering.

At this rate governments will soon become obsolete due to corruption and bought votes. I think in the future there will be no governments, only huge multinational corperations. Your vote will be for your company and it's well being. Kind of like what it is now only without the middle man. St. </div></div>

Stretch. The sad truth is that the American political system has indeed become pretty grim. The two parties have become so strong, that any member of congress must support the party if they want to stay in office. The party has become more important than the people who elect them to represent them. Both parties know this, and will actively work to keep any third party from becoming a major player in their little game. Back room deals, buying votes, trading favors, awarding perks, and political arm twisting have become a way of doing business.

The bigger and more powerful the federal government becomes, the more power they have, and they use that power to move their agenda forward. And the agenda is the same...get more power in the hands of the Washington elite.

An interesting item on the news this week. 7 of the wealthiest counties in the entire country surround Washington in Virginia and Maryland. What could cause such a huge concentration of wealth to end up in one place? I think we all know the answer.

Steve

llotter
03-12-2010, 02:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the Massa case has raised some interesting questions about how our Congress operates. It seems to me that Massa did the only honorable thing by resigning. It was either resign or become a pawn to blackmail from the Dem leadership...vote as we say or we will ruin your life.</div></div>If Massa was not out doing what he should not be doing then the Dems would not be able to "ruin his life". His resigning so quickly lends credence to the accusations about him.

eg8r </div></div>

Yes, I agree that Massa was apparently guilty of what the ethics committee was investigating but the point I was trying to make was that if he cooperated in his votes, those charges might not have become public knowledge.

wolfdancer
03-12-2010, 03:18 PM
the kid isn't quite ready to dethrone ItZhac Perlman....but as the old joke goes, about the guy asking directions...."How do you get to Carnegie Hall?" And the other guy replies "practice, practice, practice"
Mr. Perlman is so good, it's said he once played a concert with one string busted...Snopes says, "no, or maybe..." but, why ruin a good story?
here he is playing the theme from "Schindlers list"....I see some videos of him playing Vivaldi's "four seasons" ....some folks get high and turn on heavy metal.....but Vivaldi, on acid, or even some good weed (not that I have ever done either)....is hard to beat....
*** (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueWVV_GnRIA)

Gayle in MD
03-13-2010, 05:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you are saying the strong arm tactics used by the Dems is just "politics" but when the same is done back at the Dems it is "strong arm" politics.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When they come into pwer, it's like being invaded by the KGB! </div></div>Funny you mention this as it sounds an awful lot like what Obama is trying to do. LOL, buy our government healthcare or we will fine you. Just another tank driven by Obama to push the poor down further.

eg8r </div></div>

We currently have a situation where our insruance providers are between us and our doctors.

Health insurance costs doubled during Bush's eight years.

The HC bill passed in both the Congress and the Senate.

The reconciliation process is going to be used, supposedly, to remove some things that there are Republican Objections to, and Democratic Objections to, and include some which will save the consumer money, and limit costs.

There is no evidence of strong arming. It's just more RW BS like the "Death Panels" BS, and the "Birther" BS, and the non existant "WMD" "smoking gun" BS...

Republicans repulse me. What can you say about a group of people who approve of torturing human beings, and would deny people of the right to be heard in court, when some of them were picked up because someone else could get paid money for turning them in, and did nothing more than pick up a stranger in their Taxie Cab!

Cheney's daughter, demonizes lawyers who represent people from GITMO, and in fact, is demoniizing our American court system, the basis of a civilized society.

There is nothing about Republicans that I find representative of American principles and values, nothing.

they refuse to resing when they are caught with their panties down, or their hands in the cookie jar, then bash Democratics after the offender has already left? that's a crock of BS if I'ver ever heard one.

They really showed me who they are when they break our laws, and then make money writing books justifying their illegal activities, actually write books, justifying torturing human beings.

That alone, is more than enough for me to never vote for any of them.

G.

pooltchr
03-13-2010, 10:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[
The HC bill passed in both the Congress and the Senate.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> THE HC bill did not pass both the house and the senate (FYI congress refers to both houses. One side is the House, the other side is the Senate...Congress is both)
The house and the senate each passed their own version, and there are big differences between them.</span>

The reconciliation process is going to be used, supposedly, to remove some things that there are Republican Objections to, and Democratic Objections to, and include some which will save the consumer money, and limit costs.

<span style="color: #FF0000">No, the reconciliation process is going to be used to ram <u>something</u> through, anything to get something passed. As Nancy said, they must pass it in order to find out what is in it! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif After that, the house will draft a new bill with the changes they want, but there is no promise that the senate will agree to the changes.</span>


G. </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">They are moving forward completely in the blind. The goal is to pass something so Obama can claim his legacy, and congress is ready to sell out to give him what he wants. Now, why would they be willing to go against the wishes of the voters and risk losing their jobs if they weren't being coerced (strong armed) into doing so????????

They are lying to you, and you are eating it up!!

Steve </span>

wolfdancer
03-13-2010, 01:58 PM
I see the usual suspect is posting behind you....again.
Ordinarily, there would be nothing wrong with that, as that is how constructive,arguments are done, even sometimes resolved...but in his case...he claims you are stalking him, yet his posts are always behind yours????
I have pondered this and have come to the conclusion that in order for his claim to be true...you have the gift of prescience...that is that you know in advance what he is going to write, and your post while preceding his, is merely a reply to his unwritten post.
Well, actually we all know in advance what he is going to write about, just as we all know ahead of time what little willie wanker is going to write about.....it's called "boiler plate"

pooltchr
03-13-2010, 07:27 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see the usual suspect is posting behind you....again.
Ordinarily, there would be nothing wrong with that, as that is how constructive,arguments are done, even sometimes resolved...but in his case...he claims you are stalking him, yet his posts are always behind yours????
I have pondered this and have come to the conclusion that in order for his claim to be true...you have the gift of prescience...that is that you know in advance what he is going to write, and your post while preceding his, is merely a reply to his unwritten post.
Well, actually we all know in advance what he is going to write about, just as we all know ahead of time what little willie wanker is going to write about.....it's called "boiler plate" </div></div>

Glad to see that as you stalk another of my posts, at least you had something to add on the topic being discuss......oh, wait a minute....you didn't!!!!
Just another dimwitted personal attack that adds nothing to the discussion.
I always know ahead of time what you are going to post....and it rarely has anything to do with the topic....just more insults and attacks.
Does Gayle pay you well for the job you do???????

Steve

eg8r
03-15-2010, 11:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The reconciliation process is going to be used</div></div>This is so sad. Just another example of our President acting hypocritcally. Oh well, Obama has the dummies thinking he is for the poor. This healthcare bill is going to help keep them there.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
03-15-2010, 12:00 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The reconciliation process is going to be used</div></div>This is so sad. Just another example of our President acting hypocritcally. Oh well, Obama has the dummies thinking he is for the poor. This healthcare bill is going to help keep them there.

eg8r </div></div>

Why not wait until you find out what is in it before you decide about it?

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eg8r
03-15-2010, 12:20 PM
News flash gayle but this lying President/pelosi/reid combo have gone against their stump speeches and have ignored the 3 day moratorium to allow people the chance to read any bills before they are voted on. They get pushed through. We have read plenty and when they are requiring everyone to buy in it will only hurt the poor more.

Also, why don't you take your own advice. Instead of trumping things about it that you think are good, why don't you just "wait until you find out what is in it before you decide about it"?

eg8r

Gayle in MD
03-15-2010, 12:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">News flash gayle but this lying President/pelosi/reid combo have gone against their stump speeches and have ignored the 3 day moratorium to allow people the chance to read any bills before they are voted on.

The Republicans have had plenty of time to read the bills. The reconciliation information, will come from what has already been out there for months upon months. What's the Republican problem with reading?




They get pushed through.

<span style="color: #000066">Republicans use reconciliation, too, Ed. It's nothing new. Bush used it for his prescription Drug Program, created a trillion or more added to the deficit, and also for his tax cuts, proven to benefit the wealthy more than anyone else, none of which he paid for. </span>


We have read plenty and when they are requiring everyone to buy in it will only hurt the poor more.

<span style="color: #000066">Any proof of that statement? As I understand it, there will be a number of options included. </span>

Also, why don't you take your own advice. Instead of trumping things about it that you think are good, why don't you just "wait until you find out what is in it before you decide about it"?

eg8r </div></div>

<span style="color: #000066">Probably because I know that if we don't begiin to address health and insurance costs, oil dependence, education, corporate theft, and health for profit, only affordable for the wealthy, the whole country can forget about ever being a strong, financially solvent, powerful nation in the future, and we have to start somewhere, and make necessary adjustments as we go along. Republicans aren't going to address any of our pressing problems, that's for sure, we have plenty of fresh proof of what they do, run up unprecedented debt, push through the dreams of the enemies of our country, destablize whole regions of the world, politicize whole agencies of the country, use fear to manipulate the country, break international agreements, burn and destroy the evidence, and lie about all of it.

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eg8r
03-15-2010, 12:49 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Republicans use reconciliation, too, Ed.</div></div>Why do I feel like I am chatting with the wall. Why aren't you commenting on the actual things I am posting instead of twisting it around?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any proof of that statement? </div></div>Yes, the poor already don't have any money and now they will be forced to fork out even more to cover health insurance. Did you hear the lie by Obama this weekend when he said the poor will have the same access to the health coverage of Congress? What a load of crap. I guess our quick-tongued President has not bothered to read what is actually going to be subsidized and what is going to be charged as extra.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Probably because I know </div></div>Blah blah blah. What you are trying to say is "do as I say NOT as I do". Sorry I don't buy it.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
03-15-2010, 01:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Republicans use reconciliation, too, Ed.</div></div>Why do I feel like I am chatting with the wall. Why aren't you commenting on the actual things I am posting instead of twisting it around?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any proof of that statement? </div></div>Yes, the poor already don't have any money and now they will be forced to fork out even more to cover health insurance. Did you hear the lie by Obama this weekend when he said the poor will have the same access to the health coverage of Congress? What a load of crap. I guess our quick-tongued President has not bothered to read what is actually going to be subsidized and what is going to be charged as extra.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Probably because I know </div></div>Blah blah blah. What you are trying to say is "do as I say NOT as I do". Sorry I don't buy it.

eg8r </div></div>

Good, then we're even, I don't buy anything you write about the subject...

Enough said.

pooltchr
03-15-2010, 01:40 PM
Ed,
If they pass it, do you think the obamatrons will still be singing his praises when they are paying out 20% of their income to pay for healthcare insurance....as required by law????

Of course, they will only be collecting the taxes while he is actually in office. The next president will have to deal with the benefits promised by this one!!!
Steve

eg8r
03-15-2010, 04:15 PM
The poor will definitely get what they deserve if this horrible bill is passed. They are too blinded to actually see it is going to cost them more money than they ever thought possible.

eg8r

eg8r
03-15-2010, 04:15 PM
I am glad you agree with me.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
03-16-2010, 11:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see the usual suspect is posting behind you....again.
Ordinarily, there would be nothing wrong with that, as that is how constructive,arguments are done, even sometimes resolved...but in his case...he claims you are stalking him, yet his posts are always behind yours????
I have pondered this and have come to the conclusion that in order for his claim to be true...you have the gift of prescience...that is that you know in advance what he is going to write, and your post while preceding his, is merely a reply to his unwritten post.
Well, actually we all know in advance what he is going to write about, just as we all know ahead of time what little willie wanker is going to write about.....it's called "boiler plate" </div></div>

Overall, THE MOST ignorant human being I have encountered in my 65 years!

Total Ignore! Saves me from having to be aware every moment of what the British Newspapers noted so correctly!

"How Can Forty Million People Be so Dumb!"

No truer words were ever written!

G.

pooltchr
03-16-2010, 12:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see the usual suspect is posting behind you....again.
Ordinarily, there would be nothing wrong with that, as that is how constructive,arguments are done, even sometimes resolved...but in his case...he claims you are stalking him, yet his posts are always behind yours????
I have pondered this and have come to the conclusion that in order for his claim to be true...you have the gift of prescience...that is that you know in advance what he is going to write, and your post while preceding his, is merely a reply to his unwritten post.
Well, actually we all know in advance what he is going to write about, just as we all know ahead of time what little willie wanker is going to write about.....it's called "boiler plate" </div></div>

Overall, THE MOST ignorant human being I have encountered in my 65 years!

Total Ignore! Saves me from having to be aware every moment of what the British Newspapers noted so correctly!

"How Can Forty Million People Be so Dumb!"

No truer words were ever written!

G. </div></div>

If someone challenged things I post with facts that made me look as foolish as you do, I would hide behind the ignore button as well.

At least you have wollie to try and insulate you from the truth.

What a sorry pair!

Steve