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Gayle in MD
03-11-2010, 06:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> WASHINGTON (AP)- House Democratic leaders announced Wednesday that they will ban the much-criticized practice of using annual spending bills to direct pet projects to companies that often return the favor with campaign contributions.

Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., chairman of the Appropriations panel, told reporters that he hopes the step will mean 1,000 fewer earmarks and break the linkage between campaign contributions and earmarks that has sparked intense criticism and resulted in ethics probes of several lawmakers.

But the move sparked strong opposition from Senate Appropriations panel chair Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, his Senate counterpart and a long-standing defender of earmarking. He issued a tartly worded response defending the current system and calling Obey's move "quizzical."
The election-year step comes after the ethics committee investigated seven members of a Pentagon spending panel for rewarding earmarks to companies whose executives and hired lobbyists showered them with campaign cash. The panel found no linkage and absolved the lawmakers.

Republicans, meanwhile, are weighing giving up earmarks altogether in an appeal to voters frustrated with Washington's free-spending ways.

The subject of earmarks has over the years brought criticism of Congress that's often generated by wasteful earmarks such as the $200-million-plus "bridge to nowhere" in Alaska that was supposed to connect an island with a population of just 50 or so to the mainland. But among congressional watchdogs the more odious element has been the pay-to-play culture in which campaign cash flows from earmark beneficiaries into the coffers of lawmakers.

"For-profit earmarks are really where the rubber meets the road as far as corruption," said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a Washington-based watchdog group that has been critical of earmarking.

The most commonly accepted definition of an earmark is a specific project that's not requested by the president but inserted into one of the annual spending bills by a member of Congress. They come in countless varieties, like grants to police departments, improvements to military bases, renovations to historic buildings and research grants for home-district colleges.

But at issue in the new edict are earmarks aimed at for-profit entities, especially those who are seeking to tap into the Pentagon's $600 billion-plus budget. Many if not most of such companies hire lobbyists to navigate the process and it's common for both company executives and the hired lobbyist to give campaign cash to lawmakers that sponsor their earmarks.

Critics said that the ethics committee turned a blind eye to a corrupt system when dismissing an investigation that the seven lawmakers broke House rules when funneling earmarks to a lobbying firm that was some blatant in tying campaign contributions from firm lobbyists and their clients to winning earmarks.

Critics said the ethics committee report was a whitewash.

"Simply because a member sponsors an earmark for an entity that also happens to be a campaign contributor does not, on these two facts alone, support a claim that a member's actions are being influenced by campaign contributions," the ethics panel found.

"It's just ridiculous on its face," Ellis countered

The moratorium on earmarks to corporations and for-profit companies comes as a series of scandals has hurt Democrats politically. Rep. Charles Rangel was admonished by the ethics committee late last month over corporate-funded trips -- with more serious charges still pending -- while the resignation of former Rep. Eric Massa, D-N.Y., after sexual harassment allegations has also harmed the Democrats' political standing.

Last year's defense appropriations bill contained 1,720 earmarks worth $4.2 billion, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, which constructs a database using disclosures required under rules put in place when Democrats took over Congress.

These much-praised disclosure rules in fact made it easier to draw links between contributors and earmarks, reforms noted by Inouye when defending Congress' right to earmark.

"Many, if not most, for-profit and nonprofit entities lobby for themselves or employ lobbyists. That is how most of them make the Congress aware of their products and services," Inouye said. "It is no secret that many of these individuals make political contributions. All lobbyists file disclosure reports. These contributions are all fully disclosed and available for all to see on the Internet."

The potential move by Republicans to unilaterally drop earmarks revives a campaign by GOP Leader John Boehner of Ohio to wean his party off earmarks. He lost that fight in 2008 when seeking to win back the House, and most Republicans -- even some die-hard conservatives -- ask for earmarks.

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pooltchr
03-11-2010, 08:43 AM
If they actually do it, Great! The Republicans tried to do the same thing, but failed. And the example pointed out in your article references the Dem from Hawaii as one who opposes the move.

I would like to think they will do the right thing, but fear it may just be political posturing in an attempt to appease voters who are fed up with wasteful government spending.

They also passed pay-go, but then turned around and ignored their own rule when challenged on it.

As I recall, Obama promised to go through all spending bills line by line to eliminate extra spending, and we all know how well that worked with the stimulus bill.

It's a great idea, but I suspect it is just more hot air from them. They are addicted to spending!

Steve

eg8r
03-11-2010, 10:29 AM
I did not have a chance to read the whole thing, did they decide to start doing this with the Healthcare bill first or will they be allowing those earmarks to go through?

eg8r

Deeman3
03-11-2010, 11:21 AM
Right after the Health Care Bill, Of course. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Gayle in MD
03-11-2010, 11:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Right after the Health Care Bill, Of course. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

If another country was killing 48 thousand Americans every year, you'd be ready to spend billions upon billions to end it. there would be no end to the amount of money all of you righties would be ready to blow.

But when it's the insurance industry, and the pharmaceutical and health idustries doing it, OMG! It's socialism!

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Gayle in MD
03-11-2010, 11:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I did not have a chance to read the whole thing, did they decide to start doing this with the Healthcare bill first or will they be allowing those earmarks to go through?

eg8r </div></div>

There are no earmarks in the HC bill.

This is separate legislation, I believe. It's going to be big fun watching the Republicans all lining up to vote in a block against this bill. LMAO! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Deeman3
03-11-2010, 11:47 AM
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<span style="color: #FF0000"> Then what was all the Lousinana Purchase and the free ride for some states on Medicade all about? </span>

Gayle in MD
03-11-2010, 11:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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<span style="color: #FF0000"> Then what was all the Lousinana Purchase and the free ride for some states on Medicade all about? </span>

I'm told that is all completely gone.

You're going to see a steamlined version, going to into reconciliation.

eg8r
03-11-2010, 12:17 PM
No earmarks in the HC bill? The recent Louisiana 'vote' Purchase is not considered an earmark to you? I do think I heard the Nebraska buyout was pulled off the table but those were not the only two.

eg8r

LWW
03-11-2010, 01:24 PM
Put that one on the shelf next to PAYGO and Obama's promise to never sign a bill that contained a single earmark.

LWW

pooltchr
03-11-2010, 02:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It's going to be big fun watching the Republicans all lining up to vote in a block against this bill. LMAO! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

Sorry to break the news, but the Republicans seem to be on board with this one. The only ones I have heard voicing opposition so far have been Democrats.

Steve

LWW
03-11-2010, 03:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It's going to be big fun watching the Republicans all lining up to vote in a block against this bill. LMAO! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

Sorry to break the news, but the Republicans seem to be on board with this one. The only ones I have heard voicing opposition so far have been Democrats.

Steve </div></div>

And when they vote against it she will cheer them for doing it.

LWW

Qtec
03-11-2010, 06:39 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeman3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Then what was all the Lousinana Purchase ... </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No earmarks in the HC bill? The recent Louisiana 'vote' Purchase ....
eg8r </div></div>


Both of you are clueless. You both lap up the crap you are feed and regurgitate it without ever checking to see if it is true.


Here is the truth. In her own words.

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Watch the video</span>...and forever STFU about this nonsense.

LINK (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/05/mary-landrieu-defends-lou_n_450476.html)

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WASHINGTON -- Called a prostitute by conservative talk show hosts, a Louisiana Democrat on Thursday defended a deal she cut for her Hurricane Katrina-ravaged state in the Senate health care bill.

Sen. Mary Landrieu insisted the Medicaid boost worth $300 million wasn't in exchange for her vote for President Barack Obama's sweeping health care plan <span style='font-size: 20pt'><u>and she noted that Louisiana Republicans backed the deal.</u> </span>Defiantly, she said she would do it all over again if she had to.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>"I don't need this job badly enough -- maybe some people do, I don't -- to throw the people of my state under the bus to protect myself politically," Landrieu said in an impassioned speech on the Senate floor.</span>

Landrieu said today, as she has in the past, that the Medicaid money was not the reason for her support of the health-care bill and, as she concluded her floor speech, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>she challenged any Republican senator who wanted to confront her on the issue to join her on the Senate floor. She said she would remain on the floor until 6 p.m. <u>If they don't come, Landrieu said, "I ask that they keep their mouths shut about something they know nothing about."</u></span></div></div>

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/138728/thumbs/s-LANDRIEU-large.jpg

Q

pooltchr
03-11-2010, 07:18 PM
So Q, she admits that she sold her vote, and would do it again. She has no remorse over what she did. That in itself is pretty low. But the real scum made the offer, and made the deal, and wrote it into the bill.
Now tell us, who would that be???????????????

Steve

wolfdancer
03-11-2010, 07:34 PM
Q, good find...I see someone is trying to "put er down" that....but without a shred of proof........more "ducktalk"
So Q,quack, quack, she admits that she quack, quack, her vote, and would do it again. quack, quack, quack,She has no quack, quack, over what she did. That in itself is pretty quack, quack. But the real quack, quack made the offer, and made the deal, and wrote it into the quack, quack.
Now tell us, who would quack, quack, quack???????????????

LWW
03-11-2010, 07:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Landrieu said today, as she has in the past, that the Medicaid money was not the reason for her support of the health-care bill
Q </div></div>

Then why didn't she support the bill without the payoff?

LWW

eg8r
03-11-2010, 08:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sen. Mary Landrieu insisted the Medicaid boost worth $300 million wasn't in exchange for her vote for President Barack Obama's sweeping health care plan </div></div>Well, there you go. qtip found a quote of Landrieu denying her vote was bought. She surely would never lie about this would she. Good job Sherlock dipstick.

eg8r

pooltchr
03-11-2010, 09:49 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Q, good find...I see someone is trying to "put er down" that....but without a shred of proof........more "ducktalk"
So Q,quack, quack, she admits that she quack, quack, her vote, and would do it again. quack, quack, quack,She has no quack, quack, over what she did. That in itself is pretty quack, quack. But the real quack, quack made the offer, and made the deal, and wrote it into the quack, quack.
Now tell us, who would quack, quack, quack??????????????? </div></div>

Wolfie...too many illegal drugs in your past...whatever brain cells you have left, you should probably try to hold on to them.

Here is another post that contributes nothing more than another personal attack. Your obsession is getting serious.

Steve

Gayle in MD
03-12-2010, 02:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No earmarks in the HC bill? The recent Louisiana 'vote' Purchase is not considered an earmark to you? I do think I heard the Nebraska buyout was pulled off the table but those were not the only two.

eg8r </div></div>

The final bill will include state equality. No buy offs.

Qtec
03-12-2010, 06:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> qtip found a quote of Landrieu denying her vote was bought. </div></div>

I did not post a sound bite or a one line TP like you do. I linked you to a 25 min presentation from Sen Landrieu explaining IN DETAIL her standpoint. She ALSO issued a challenge that she would stay the whole day and if any Republicans had any questions they should come to her or STFU and stop blabbing [ like you are doing] about things they know nothing about.

Watch the video.


Q....

pooltchr
03-12-2010, 08:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The final bill will include state equality. No buy offs. </div></div>

How do you know? Even Nancy says we must pass the bill in order to find out what is in it!

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Steve

eg8r
03-12-2010, 01:18 PM
LOL, good job sherlock dipstick.

eg8r

Stretch
03-13-2010, 05:57 AM
Evander Holyfield must be a Dem. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Gayle in MD
03-13-2010, 06:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, good job sherlock dipstick.

eg8r </div></div>

I wish you'd stop copying my stuff, Sherlock.

LWW
03-13-2010, 06:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> qtip found a quote of Landrieu denying her vote was bought. </div></div>

I did not post a sound bite or a one line TP like you do. I linked you to a 25 min presentation from Sen Landrieu explaining IN DETAIL her standpoint. She ALSO issued a challenge that she would stay the whole day and if any Republicans had any questions they should come to her or STFU and stop blabbing [ like you are doing] about things they know nothing about.

Watch the video.


Q....

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Then why didn't she support the bill without the payoff?

LWW

eg8r
03-15-2010, 11:45 AM
Wow, when were you using sherlock dipstick? Also, you post would make one believe it has happened many times before. Care you clarify yourself?

eg8r

Gayle in MD
03-15-2010, 01:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, when were you using sherlock dipstick? Also, you post would make one believe it has happened many times before. Care you clarify yourself?

eg8r </div></div>

You must be getting senile if you have to ask me that...