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03-14-2010, 08:54 AM
This morning Karl Rove confirmed once and for all that anyone that thinks the Bush administration came into office with the desire to invade Iraq must be running a fever from all the swamp water they've been drinking.

03-14-2010, 09:22 AM
I'm looking forward to reading his book.


03-14-2010, 02:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This morning Karl Rove confirmed once and for all that anyone that thinks the Bush administration came into office with the desire to invade Iraq must be running a fever from all the swamp water they've been drinking. </div></div>A good reliable source. No spin involved there. I believe him 100%.


03-14-2010, 05:19 PM
2 recipes for swampwater. madMac.

.......1.......Mixed Drink Recipe For: Swamp Water
1 shot of everclear grain 151
1 shot of vodka
2 shots of apple green pucker
the rest is sprite

.......2..........Ingredients to use: 5.0 oz Lemon Lime Soda
1.0 oz Apricot Brandy
5.0 oz Sweet and Sour mix
1.0 oz OVAL Vodka
1.0 Amer Picon

Directions: A shot of Lime Vodka, A Shot of Apricot Brandy. Fill the rest of the 12 oz glass with half Sweet and Sour mix, half 7-up. Tastes like lime kool aid.

03-14-2010, 07:01 PM
The term has its origins in the events of the Jonestown cult suicide. Jim Jones, the leader of the Peoples Temple, had persuaded followers to move to Jonestown, Guyana and found a commune. In November of 1978, faced with exposure, he had U.S. Representative Leo Ryan killed and ordered the residents to commit suicide by drinking a flavored beverage laced with potassium cyanide. Those unable to comply, such as infants, and those unwilling to comply received involuntary injections. Roughly 918 people died.

Present-day descriptions of the event often refer to the beverage, not as Kool Aid, but as Flavor Aid,[4] a less-expensive product reportedly found at the site.[5] Kraft Foods, the maker of Kool Aid, has stated the same.[6][7] Implied by this accounting of events is that the reference to the "Kool Aid" brand owes exclusively to its being better-known among Americans. Others are less categorical.[4] Both brands are known to have been among the commune's supplies: Film footage shot inside the compound prior to the events of November shows Jones opening a large chest in which boxes of both Flavor Aid and Kool-Aid are visible.[8] Criminal investigators testifying at the Jonestown inquest spoke of finding packets of "cool aid" (sic), and eyewitnesses to the incident are also recorded as speaking of "cool aid" or "Cool Aid."[9] However, it is unclear whether they intended to refer to the actual Kool-Aid–brand drink or were using the name in a generic sense that might refer to any powdered flavored beverage.

[edit] Use
The earliest known use of the term in its figurative sense, is from a 1987 statement about former Washington, D.C. mayor Marion Barry in the Washington Post.[10][11]

An earlier usage than 1987 can be attested at least as early as 1982 in the film The Slumber Party Massacre by Amy Holden Jones. In the scene where Valerie 'Val' Bates prepares Kool-Aid, she offers a glass to her sister and says, "As the famous Jim Jones once said: 'Should have been drinking Kool-Aid.'"

In 2002, Arianna Huffington reintroduced the term in an article titled "Wacko in Waco", comparing those who followed George W. Bush to a delusional cult.[12] More recently, Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly is known for using the term in this manner.[13]

[edit] Alternative meaning
The expression first refers to the activities of the Merry Pranksters, a group of people associated with novelist Ken Kesey who, in the early 1960s, traveled around the United States and held events called "Acid Tests", where LSD-laced Kool-Aid was passed out to the public (LSD was legal in the U.S. until 1966). Those who drank the "Kool-Aid" passed the "Acid Test". "Drinking the Kool-Aid" in that context meant taking LSD. These events were described in Tom Wolfe's 1968 classic "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test". However the expression is never used figuratively in the book, but only literally.

03-14-2010, 07:08 PM
Water Purification
Sunday, 20 August 2006
Rainwater collected in clean containers or in plants is usually safe for drinking. However, purify water from lakes, ponds, swamps, springs, or streams, especially the water near human settlements or in the tropics.
6-30. When possible, purify all water you get from vegetation or from the ground by boiling or using iodine or chlorine. After purifying a canteen of water, you must partially unscrew the cap and turn the canteen upside down to rinse unpurified water from the threads of the canteen where your mouth touches.

Purify water by the following methods:
•Use water purification tablets. (Follow the directions provided.)

•Place 5 drops of 2 percent tincture of iodine in a canteen full of clear water. If the canteen is full of cloudy or cold water, use 10 drops. (Let the canteen of water stand for 30 minutes before drinking.)

•Use 2 drops of 10 percent (military strength) povidone-iodine or 1 percent titrated povidone-iodine. The civilian equivalent is usually 2 percent strength, so 10 drops will be needed. Let stand for 30 minutes. If the water is cold and clear, wait 60 minutes. If it's very cold or cloudy, add 4 drops and wait 60 minutes.

•Place 2 drops of chlorine bleach (5.25 percent sodium hypochlorite) in a canteen of water. Let stand 30 minutes. If the water is cold or cloudy, wait 60 minutes. Remember that not all bleach is the same around the world; check the available level of sodium hypochlorite.

•Use potassium permanganate, commonly marketed as Condy's Crystals, for a number of applications, including emergency disinfection of water. The crystals are of a nonuniform size, so you must judge the actual dosage by the color of the water after adding the crystals. Add three small crystals to 1 liter (1 quart) of water. If the water turns a bright pink after waiting 30 minutes, the water is considered purified. If the water turns a dark pink, there is too much potassium permanganate to drink safely. Either add more water to dilute the mixture or save it for use as an antiseptic solution. If the water becomes a full red, like the color of cranberry juice, the solution may be used as an antifungal solution.

•Boil your drinking water. This is the safest method of purifying your drinking water. By achieving a rolling boil, you can ensure that you are destroying all living waterborne pathogens.

6-32. By drinking nonpotable water you may contract diseases or swallow organisms that can harm you and may easily lead to potentially fatal waterborne illnesses.

6-33. Two of the most prevalent pathogens found in most water sources throughout the world are—

•Giardia, which causes Giardiasis (beaver fever). It is characterized by an explosive, watery diarrhea accompanied by severe cramps lasting 7 to 14 days.

•Cryptosporidium, which causes Cryptosporidiosis. It is much like Giardiasis, only more severe and prolonged, and there is no known cure but time. Diarrhea may be mild and can last from 3 days to 2 weeks.

NOTE: The only effective means of neutralizing Cryptosporidium is by boiling or by using a commercial microfilter or reverse-osmosis filtration system. Chemical disinfectants such as iodine tablets or bleach have not shown to be 100 percent effective in eliminating Cryptosporidium.

Examples of other diseases or organisms are—

•Dysentery. You may experience severe, prolonged diarrhea with bloody stools, fever, and weakness.

•Cholera and typhoid. You may be susceptible to these diseases regardless of inoculations. Cholera can cause profuse, watery diarrhea, vomiting, and leg cramps. Typhoid symptoms include fever, headache, loss of appetite, constipation, and bleeding in the bowel.

•Hepatitis A. Symptoms include diarrhea, abdominal pain, jaundice, and dark urine. This infection can spread through close person-to-person contact or ingestion of contaminated water or food.

•Flukes. Stagnant, polluted water—especially in tropical areas—often contains blood flukes. If you swallow flukes, they will bore into the bloodstream, live as parasites, and cause disease.

•Leeches. If you swallow a leech, it can hook onto the throat passage or inside the nose. It will suck blood, create a wound, and move to another area. Each bleeding wound may become infected.

03-14-2010, 08:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This morning Karl Rove confirmed once and for all that anyone that thinks the Bush administration came into office with the desire to invade Iraq must be running a fever from all the swamp water they've been drinking. </div></div>

Did you here who caught this swamp water fever and called in on c-span?


03-14-2010, 09:05 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm looking forward to reading his book.

Steve </div></div>

Why? The guy is a proven liar.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There’s a good reason why Rove’s memoir is titled “Courage and Consequence,” not “Truth or Consequences.” <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Its spin is so uninhibited that even “Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job!” is repackaged with an alibi.</span> The book’s apolitical asides are as untrustworthy as its major events. For all Rove’s self-proclaimed expertise as a student of history, he writes that eight American presidents assumed office “as a result of the assassination or resignation of their predecessor.” (He’s off by only three.) After a peculiar early narrative detour to combat reports of his late adoptive father’s homosexuality, Rove burnishes his family values cred with repeated references to his own happy heterosexual domesticity. This, too, is a smoke screen: Readers learned months before the book was published that his marriage ended in divorce.

Rove’s overall thesis on the misbegotten birth of the Iraq war is a stretch even by his standards. <u>“Would the Iraq war have occurred without W.M.D.?” he writes. “I doubt it.” He claims that Bush would have looked for other ways “to constrain” Saddam Hussein had the intelligence not revealed Iraq’s “unique threat” to America’s security.</u> Even if you buy Rove’s predictable (and easily refuted) claims that the White House neither hyped, manipulated nor cherry-picked the intelligence,<span style='font-size: 14pt'> his portrait of Bush as an apostle of containment is absurd.</span> <span style="color: #990000">And morally offensive in light of the carnage that followed.</span> As Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell’s former chief of staff, said on MSNBC, it’s “not a very comforting thing” to tell the families of the American fallen “that if the intelligence community in the United States, on which we spend about $60 billion a year, hadn’t made this colossal failure, we probably wouldn’t have gone to war.” </div></div>


03-15-2010, 03:31 AM
"Why? The guy is a proven liar." (asked and answered)

03-15-2010, 06:18 AM
Yes, I did notice who made that raspy voiced call. I thought either the caller had a bad cold or was a smoker for many years.

03-15-2010, 06:24 AM
I'm not a physician ... but I think that's one of the symptoms of swamp water fever.


03-15-2010, 07:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Another day, another round of interviews with Karl Rove pushing his latest bit of revisionist history. Tom Brokaw asks Rove about the Bush administration's claims that <span style='font-size: 14pt'>the oil revenue would help pay for the war and Rove denies it.</span>

ROVE: No, no. Tom with all due respect that was not the policy of our government that we were going to go into Iraq and take their resources in order to pay for the cost of the war. … [T]he suggestion that somehow or another the administration had as its policy, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>“We’re going to go in to Iraq and take their resource and pay for the war” is not accurate.

Think Progress noted, Rove is lying.</span>

Rove’s claim is simply not true. In fact, days after the U.S. invasion, then-Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz told a congressional panel that Iraqi oil revenues would help pay for reconstructing the country, i.e. a cost of the war. <u>“The oil revenue of that country could bring between 50 and 100 billion dollars over the course of the next two or three years. We’re dealing with a country that could really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon,”</u> he said.

One month before the war, then-White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said Iraq “is a rather wealthy country. … And so there are a variety of means that <u>Iraq has to be able to shoulder much of the burden for their own reconstruction</u>.”</div></div>

This one for free! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>Wolfowitz comments revive doubts over Iraq's WMD
BRUSSELS </span>(AP) — As President Bush begins a European tour to patch up trans-Atlantic relations, comments from senior defense officials about Iraq's weapons have revived controversy in Europe <u>over whether the war was justified.</u>

Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz cited bureaucratic reasons for focusing on Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, and said <span style='font-size: 14pt'>a "huge" result of the war was to enable Washington to withdraw its troops from Saudi Arabia.</span>

<u>"The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason,"</u> Wolfowitz was quoted as saying in a Pentagon transcript of an interview with Vanity Fair.

The magazine's reporter did not tape the telephone interview and provided a slightly different version of the quote in the article: <span style='font-size: 20pt'>"For bureaucratic reasons we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction, because it was the one reason everyone could agree on."</span>

Earlier this week, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Iraq's weapons of mass destruction may have been destroyed before the war.

"It is also possible that they (Saddam Hussein's government) decided that they would destroy them prior to a conflict," he told the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.

Neither Rumsfeld nor Wolfowitz suggested Washington fabricated weapons claims, and an aide to the defense secretary, speaking on condition of anonymity, insisted their remarks had been misinterpreted.

However, the remarks were widely published in Europe and were seen by skeptical Europeans as a tacit admission that the United States overstated Iraq's weapons threat </div></div>


03-15-2010, 07:47 AM
So we have unverifiable quote that the author admits to manipulating.