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Qtec
03-14-2010, 09:43 PM
but this is so FKD up.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Brady defiant over sex 'cover-up'

The Catholic church's most senior cleric in Ireland has rejected calls to resign over claims he helped cover up sex abuse investigations in the 1970s.

<u>Cardinal Sean Brady, primate of all-Ireland, admitted he was present at meetings where two abused teenagers were made to sign vows of silence.

The meetings followed complaints of abuse against Fr Brendan Smyth, jailed in the 1990s for serial child abuse.

"Frankly I don't believe that this is a resigning matter," the cardinal said.</u>

Cardinal Brady said he had been following church orders <span style='font-size: 20pt'>and that there were no guidelines for him to follow</span></div></div>

#!$&!!

Mother,
"Father X is a pedophile. He FKD my boy in the a$$."

Cardinal, "Mmmmm, what to do?

No friggin guidelines!!!?????"

How about, "What would Jesus want me to do?"

Un-friggin-believable.

Q

sack316
03-15-2010, 02:30 AM
Considering his position, one would hope he had a pretty big book of guidelines sitting on his desk

Sack

Qtec
03-15-2010, 06:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Considering his position, one would hope he had a pretty big book of guidelines sitting on his desk

Sack </div></div>

Sack, he did exactly what the guidelines at the time dictated, ie hush it up.

Step 1. Get the kid to sign a secrecy oath that says if he ever speaks about the abuse, he will burn in hell for all eternity.

Step 2. Tell Father X to tone it down and send him off on his merry way to abuse more kids in some other Parish.

When Father X gets caught again, follow same procedure.

Following orders is not an excuse. The Nuremberg trials established that. He is is guilty as hell.



Q

sack316
03-15-2010, 06:57 AM
I agree completely with ya on this one Q.

That's what I was saying... the whole "there were no guidelines" copout, especially for a member of a church, should never be an excuse. There's always that fat book with plenty of good guidelines in it to follow.

Sack

Deeman3
03-15-2010, 10:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[/quote]

#!$&!!

Mother,
"Father X is a pedophile. He FKD my boy in the a$$."

Cardinal, "Mmmmm, what to do?

No friggin guidelines!!!?????"

<span style="color: #FF0000">Funny how they take positions against Gay and perverted sex but turn their heads when this happens.

They should be castrated, the lot of them. </span>

How about, "What would Jesus want me to do?"

Un-friggin-believable.

Q </div></div>

Gayle in MD
03-15-2010, 10:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but this is so FKD up.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Brady defiant over sex 'cover-up'

The Catholic church's most senior cleric in Ireland has rejected calls to resign over claims he helped cover up sex abuse investigations in the 1970s.

<u>Cardinal Sean Brady, primate of all-Ireland, admitted he was present at meetings where two abused teenagers were made to sign vows of silence.

The meetings followed complaints of abuse against Fr Brendan Smyth, jailed in the 1990s for serial child abuse.

"Frankly I don't believe that this is a resigning matter," the cardinal said.</u>

Cardinal Brady said he had been following church orders <span style='font-size: 20pt'>and that there were no guidelines for him to follow</span></div></div>

#!$&!!

Mother,
"Father X is a pedophile. He FKD my boy in the a$$."

Cardinal, "Mmmmm, what to do?

No friggin guidelines!!!?????"

How about, "What would Jesus want me to do?"

Un-friggin-believable.

Q </div></div>
<span style="color: #000066">From my post of 3/10 on this subject.... </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">VATICAN CITY Church abuse scandals in Germany have reached the older brother of Pope Benedict XVI and are creeping ever closer to the pontiff himself.

While there has been no suggestion of wrongdoing by Benedict, the launch of an inquiry by German Catholic officials after his brother admitted he slapped children years ago is stirring Vatican fears of a major crisis for the papacy.

Benedict, 82, was archbishop of Munich from 1977 to 1982 when he was brought to the Vatican to head the body responsible for investigating abuse cases. During that time, he came under criticism for decreeing that even the most serious abuse cases must first be investigated internally.

Since then, Benedict has taken a strong stand against abuse by clerics in the Roman Catholic Church.

Just weeks before he became pope, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger caused a stir when he denounced "filth" in the church and among priests a condemnation taken as a reference to clerical sex abuse.

German church officials said Wednesday they will examine what if anything Benedict knew about abuse during his time as Munich archbishop.

"We do not know if the pope knew about the abuse cases at the time," church spokesman Karl Juesten told The Associated Press.

He said the church "assumes" Benedict knew nothing of such cases, but that current Munich Archbishop Reinhard Marx will be "certainly investigating these questions."

Juesten, the liaison between Roman Catholic bishops and the German government, said the German Bishops Conference had asked parishes and church institutions in the country to examine all allegations of the sexual and physical abuse.


Separately, the Regensburg Diocese told AP it will investigate allegations of physical and sexual abuse that have swirled around a renowned choir led by the Benedict's brother, the Rev. Georg Ratzinger. So far, the sex abuse allegations predate Georg Ratzinger's term as choir director.

Vatican officials have been unable to hide their alarm about the possible implications for the papacy.

"There is certainly the suspicion that there are some out there out to damage the church and the pope," said a Vatican official, speaking anonymously because of the sensitivity of the matter.

The Vatican has spoken up several times in recent days to defend the church as having acted "promptly and decisively" regarding the German abuse scandal. But it also noted that problems of sex abuse spread across society and are not limited to the Roman Catholic Church.

When Benedict became pope in 2005, the Vatican was reeling from a massive sex abuse scandal in the U.S. church. The new pope promised a policy of zero tolerance as he went on to apologize and pray with some of the victims while traveling in the United States and Australia.

The pope has been working on a letter to be read to Catholics in Ireland, where a government report detailed decades of physical and sexual abuse in church-run schools. The letter is expected to be released shortly.

The pope held his weekly public audience Wednesday but made no mention of the sex abuse scandal.

Georg Ratzinger, 86, said in a newspaper interview published Tuesday that he slapped pupils as punishment after he took over the Regensburger Domspatzen boys choir in the 1964. He also said he was aware of allegations of physical abuse at an elementary school linked to the choir but did nothing about it.

The slapping of students and other forms of corporal punishment were common in Catholic schools in Germany and other countries in that era. Such punishment was later banned.

The Regensburg Diocese has reported two cases of sexual abuse at the choir, stemming from 1958 and 1959. And across Germany, more than 170 students have claimed they were sexually abused at several Catholic high schools.

Ratzinger has repeatedly said the sexual abuse allegations date from before his tenure as choir director. Asked in the interview Tuesday whether he knew of them, Ratzinger insisted he was not aware of the problem.

"These things were never discussed," Ratzinger told Tuesday's Passauer Neue Presse German daily. "The problem of sexual abuse that has now come to light was never spoken of."

Jakob Schoetz, a spokesman for the Regensburg Diocese, told AP that the diocese is appointing an independent investigator an attorney to examine allegations of physical and sexual abuse at the choir.

"The independent lawyer will thoroughly go through all existing legal papers, all court decisions and any information available," Schoetz said. "We expect to publish first results within the next two weeks."

Franz Wittenbrink, 61, who sang in the Regensburger Domspatzen choir from 1958 to 1967, said he was physically abused on a regular basis by the priests at its boarding school.

"Severe beatings were normal, but Ratzinger did not belong to the group of more sadistic abusers," Wittenbrink said in a phone interview with the AP from Hamburg. "But I do accuse him of covering up the abuses."

Wittenbrink said all boys suffered some physical abuse but a "selected group" of students was also abused sexually.

Another former choir boy at Domspatzen told the Bild daily that he and other boys were sexually abused by teachers at the choir's boarding school in the 1950s. Manfred von Hove was quoted as saying he "finally wants to have answers and find out who was responsible for the cover-up at the time."

He said he planned to sue the Regensburg Diocese for compensation.

Rudolf Neumaier, a student from 1981 to 1982 at the Etterzhausen elementary school in Pielenhofen considered a feeder school for the choir told the AP he was slapped there, witnessed corporal punishment of other boys, and saw then-director Johann Meier hit an 8-year-old boy with a chair.

Neumaier, who went on to join the Domspatzen choir in Regensburg in 1982, stressed he did not witness or hear about any abuse at the choir boarding school itself. But he said he personally told choir director Georg Ratzinger about the violence at the elementary school and Ratzinger did nothing about it. "He chose not to listen," Neumaier said.

Ratzinger said Tuesday that boys had told him about being mistreated at the Etterzhausen school but he did not understand how bad it was.

Criticism of the Catholic church has been heavy in Germany, whose relations with the Vatican had already been jolted last year when Benedict lifted the excommunication of an ultraconservative British bishop who denied the Holocaust.

The Vatican moved to defuse criticism after German Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger said Monday a Vatican secrecy rule has played a role in a "wall of silence" surrounding sexual abuse of children.

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Gayle in MD
03-15-2010, 10:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree completely with ya on this one Q.

That's what I was saying... the whole "there were no guidelines" copout, especially for a member of a church, should never be an excuse. There's always that fat book with plenty of good guidelines in it to follow.

Sack </div></div>

And then there's that other fat book, The Gospel Of Jesus Christ...gee, wonder why they didn't consult that????

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Hypocrites!

sack316
03-15-2010, 12:05 PM
exactly!

Sack

wolfdancer
03-15-2010, 12:34 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">told the AP he was slapped there, witnessed corporal punishment of other boys, and saw then-director Johann Meier hit an 8-year-old boy with a chair. </div></div>
That's the only way sometimes to get the attention of them Germans. My Mom married one, so I got experience dealing with them.
I got his attention at age 15 when I knocked him on his a** for trying to tell me....an Irishman, what to do.

cushioncrawler
03-15-2010, 04:02 PM
What the Bible says about Children

Children who refuse to obey their parents must be executed.

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. -- Deuteronomy 21:18-21

He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. -- Exodus 21:15

He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 21:17

Children who mock their parents will have their eyes plucked out by ravens and eaten by eagles.

The eye that mocketh at his father, and despiseth to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it. -- Proverbs 30:17

Like Abraham, parents should be willing to kill their children for God.

And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and ... offer him there for a burnt offering.... And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. -- Genesis 22:2,10

God killed all the firstborn children in an entire country.

The LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon.... And there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead. -- Exodus 12:29-30

Sometimes God kills children for misbehaving.

And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them. -- 2 Kings 2:23-24

Someday God will force parents eat their own children.

And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. -- Leviticus 26:29

And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters. -- Deuteronomy 28:53

And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend. -- Jeremiah 19:9

And then there's this statement, which could only be found in the Bible:

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. -- Psalm 137:9