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Gayle in MD
03-25-2010, 10:10 AM
James ZogbyFounder and president of the Arab American Institute
Posted: March 22, 2010 06:09 PM


Frightening GOP Behavior

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Before dashing off to celebrate a hard fought victory in achieving health care reform, it is important to reflect on a deeply disturbing aspect of the debate that I believe spells danger ahead.

A Republican talking point repeated ad nauseam during yesterday's debate pounded on the theme that they, and they alone, had the right to speak for "the will of the American people." This took different forms: "the American people have spoken," or "you (Democrats) are ignoring/imposing your views on the American people" or "the American people have sent a message," etc. All making the same point -- that the GOP speaks for the American people.

Of course, the American people have spoken, and in November 2008 elected a Democratic White House and Senate and House of Representatives. But, elections and the workings of our democracy including the idea that the losing party respect the outcome of elections appear to be alien concepts to today's GOP.

The idea that the minority party represents the "will of the people" (not some of the people, but "the people") is the seedling of a totalitarian mindset. In this mindset -- democracy doesn't matter, ideas are not to be discussed, and opposing views are not to respected. What matters is that they alone have truth, they alone are metaphysically connected to the "mind of the people" can interpret their will, and because they have truth and speak for the people, others represent a threat and must be silenced and stopped.

This was a major concern last summer as violent demonstrators disrupted "town meetings" -- with angry chanting mobs claiming to represent the "will of the people" arrayed against the elected Congresspeople and their constituents who had freely assembled to discuss issues. The mobs didn't come to discuss or even debate. They were mobilized to disrupt discussion and silence debate.

Listening to the rhetorical excesses of last summer's demonstrators, or those who mobilized to chant slurs at Democrats over the weekend, or to the radio and TV personalities who incite with hate and fear ("that we are losing our country"), or the GOP Congressional leadership who charge much the same and incite in similar ways -- I hear echoes of last century's history. The behavior fits a frightening pattern and ought to be of concern.


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<span style="color: #000066">As I say, they always accuse others of dong exactly what they themselves are doing.

Bait and switch, Reverse psychology, call it what you will, it is deceit and trickery, and Republicans, Fox, Beck, Limpballs, Palin, are going to own every single violent act going forward...so I'd suggest the RW nutcases, put those guns back in the closet. the FBI is currently investigating one of your fellow radical nuts, who tried to blow up a Congressman's home right now!



G.</span>

pooltchr
03-25-2010, 10:24 AM
Ah, yes. Much the same way the left respected the will of the people who elected GW to 8 years in the white house!

Steve

LWW
03-25-2010, 10:27 AM
So in G's world view ... the fact the dems and dearest leader lied profusely and prodigiously to gain power in a deceptive manner is proof that the people support this?

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LWW

eg8r
03-25-2010, 11:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A Republican talking point repeated ad nauseam during yesterday's debate pounded on the theme that they, and they alone, had the right to speak for "the will of the American people." This took different forms: "the American people have spoken," or "you (Democrats) are ignoring/imposing your views on the American people" or "the American people have sent a message," etc. All making the same point -- that the GOP speaks for the American people. </div></div>This guy is really really missing the point. The point is that the GOP does not speak for the people and they understand, through the last election, that they screwed up by NOT listening to the people. Now they see the Dems tripping over the same hurdles.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As I say, they always accuse others of dong exactly what they themselves are doing.</div></div>Quite like you stating I am immature for calling people names, all the while you are calling me names. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r

LWW
03-25-2010, 12:52 PM
That is a pure Alinsky tactic ... pick a fight and then claim to be a victim as soon as the other side responds.

LWW

Qtec
03-25-2010, 11:39 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ah, yes. Much the same way the left respected the will of the people who elected GW to 8 years in the white house!

Steve </div></div>

US 2,000 election

Popular vote Bush 50,456,002 <u>Gore 50,999,897</u>

US 2,008 election

Popular vote <u>Obama 69,456,897</u>[1] McCain 59,934,814[1]

Q

Gayle in MD
03-26-2010, 02:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ah, yes. Much the same way the left respected the will of the people who elected GW to 8 years in the white house!

Steve </div></div>

US 2,000 election

Popular vote Bush 50,456,002 <u>Gore 50,999,897</u>

US 2,008 election

Popular vote <u>Obama 69,456,897</u>[1] McCain 59,934,814[1]

Q

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<span style="color: #000066">How can they compare rejection of a president who was appointed to office, without a mandate, and the resulting fury from we Liberals after learning about all the hanky panky in Fla, to this president, elected with a comfortable election margin win, and clear madate from WE THE PEOPLE, and the vicious lies and slanderous Right Wing attacks against him. </span>
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Last weekend, Tea Party Patriots gathered in the Capitol and showered
racist and homophobic abuse on Democratic Congress Members supporting healthcare reform.

One Tea Party protester called the former civil rights leader and current Atlanta Congressman John Lewis the "n-word." Another spat on Congressman Emanuel Cleaver, also an African-American. Another called Congressman Barney Frank a "f****t." Back in his Texas district, yet another Tea Bagger called Congressman Ciro Rodriguez a "wet****."
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<span style="color: #000066">A disgrace.

Boehner, "NO YOU CAN'T!"

A Disgrace.

"Baby Killer!"

A Disgrace.

Now, the American Enterprise Institute, has fired David Frum. He has made the mistake of telling the truth about the folly and stupidity of the Republicans choosing to be the Party Of NO, instead of doing what they were elected to do, participate in the democratic process. Worse yet, he has written the truth, Fux News runs the Republican Party.

Fux News, IS running the Republican Party. Beck and Limpballs, set the message. Republicans follow it.

Now, the mandate, which was originally a Republican idea and effort in 93, when Hillary was trying to pass health care, and was added and supported by Grassley and the late Chaffee, AND supported by HATCH, is suddenly unconstitutional.

It's also part of Romney's Health Care Plan which he put through in his state. </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

<span style="color: #000066">Clearly, according to Republicans, it's unconstitutional when Democratics do it, but just fine if it is a Republican amendment. </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif Nuts! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

pooltchr
03-26-2010, 06:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ah, yes. Much the same way the left respected the will of the people who elected GW to 8 years in the white house!

Steve </div></div>

US 2,000 election

Popular vote Bush 50,456,002 <u>Gore 50,999,897</u>

US 2,008 election

Popular vote <u>Obama 69,456,897</u>[1] McCain 59,934,814[1]

Q

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Popular vote doesn't mean anything in our elections. We use a slightly different system to elect our presidents. And while personally, I think it needs some slight adjustment, it is the way we have done it for years.

BTW, what was the breakdown in the 2004 election?

Steve