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llotter
03-26-2010, 06:14 PM
The high probability is that this deal amounts to unilateral disarmament. The Moron is not to be trusted because he is not only a total dunce but his loyalty is not with America. Our foreign policy is in a complete shambles, dissing our allies and a laughing stock to everyone else.

Sev
03-26-2010, 06:36 PM
Israel will protect us.

Chilled
03-26-2010, 07:10 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The high probability is that this deal amounts to unilateral disarmament. The Moron is not to be trusted because he is not only a total dunce but his loyalty is not with America. Our foreign policy is in a complete shambles, dissing our allies and a laughing stock to everyone else. </div></div>

Who or which country or countries is his "loyalty" with......and how do YOU know?

pooltchr
03-26-2010, 07:18 PM
He is a citizen of the world.

Steve

Sev
03-26-2010, 07:32 PM
You dont make an arms deal with Russia when China is rapidly gaining all the wealth it needs to engage in a major arms race.

They watched what Regan did to Russia.

llotter
03-26-2010, 08:48 PM
A president that is loyal to America would not go around apologizing for all the trouble that he thinks we have caused in the world. Hi does not believe in American Exceptionalism or America's contribution to the world in war and in peace. Based on his actions, he views America as the cause of most of the world's problems. He continually insults our allies while patronizing our enemies in an idiotic attempt to realign us and weaken us.

He does consider himself a citizen of the world and probably considers the nation-state as a defective concept.

Chilled
03-26-2010, 10:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A president that is loyal to America would not go around apologizing for all the trouble that he thinks we have caused in the world. Hi does not believe in American Exceptionalism or America's contribution to the world in war and in peace. Based on his actions, he views America as the cause of most of the world's problems. He continually insults our allies while patronizing our enemies in an idiotic attempt to realign us and weaken us.

He does consider himself a citizen of the world and probably considers the nation-state as a defective concept. </div></div>

For someone who clearly considers himself well qualified enough to assess a President of the USA as being a "moron" and a "total dunce" it's surprising that you seem to be having some cognitive problems yourself in understanding and/or answering a simple question.

You stated that his loyalties lie somewhere else other than USA. That suggests you have some other country or some other group of people other than Americans in mind for where his loyalties lie.

I didn't disagree with you.....yet. Maybe he is the first President in history to climb his way through the exhaustive selection and voting process for US President while all the time secretly harbouring greater hatred for the USA than he has pride for it and with a greater loyalty to some other country or group of people than he has towards Americans. It seemed like a very serious allegation to make so I just wanted in on the information you obtained which led you to that conclusion.

The question concerned with which country or countries or with group of people you think his loyalties lie and how you know this to be the case. So far you have answered with a whole bunch of vague generalities suggesting you think his loyalties lie with "our enemies" because you have observed him insulting unspecified allies and patronizing unspecified enemies.

So let's try again......which of "our enemies" do you think his loyalties lie with? Can you name two or three countries or groups, or even just one, and then perhaps share some clues as to what you think his reasons might be for being more loyal to those countries or groups than to America?

Having loyalty to a country other than America is a very serious and some would say pretty far fetched charge to lay against any President. The very least you could do is to back it up with something less ambiguous and more rational than could be heard from any loud and drunk bigot in a bar.

Gayle in MD
03-27-2010, 06:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The high probability is that this deal amounts to unilateral disarmament.

<span style="color: #000066"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>That's right, something that every president tries to achieve, and few manage to accomplish. </span> </span>



The PRESIDENT is not to be trusted because he is not only a total GENIUS but his loyalty is not with America.

<span style="color: #000066">I think your own loyalty to America is what is in question, if you would prefer more loose nukes in the world, rather than less loose nukes. Now what kind of MORON would want that? </span>


Our foreign policy is in a complete shambles, dissing our allies and a laughing stock to everyone else.

<span style="color: #000066">Pakistan is cooperating with us in destroying al Qaeda, and we have been killing more highest level operatives of al Qaeda since he was elected, than during the entire eight years of George Bush's administration. That statement can be found on C-Span, just look up Senate Foreign Relations, you do know how to do that, right?

President Obama has already started to remove troops and equipment out of Iraq.

President Obama has gained respect in the world by declaring that the United states, will NOT torture people, since torturing people does not provide accurate information, and we now know tht according to our own 16 national security agencies, Bush's torture program, deeply hurt out reputation, and emboldened our enemies, and caused the death and injuries to many additional Americans Soldiers...

President Obama has accomplished an LANDMARK ARMS ACCORD with Russia to reduce nuclear weapons.... Something that every single president in recent decades has tried to do.

I'm quite sure we'd be better off with Sara Palin chatting with Madvedev, inspiring him with stories about how she can see Russia from her porch, and hence, is well versed on foreign affairs. Only a MORON would think that.</span>
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LWW
03-27-2010, 11:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chilled</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So let's try again......which of "our enemies" do you think his loyalties lie with? </div></div>

It would be harder to list the nations he doesn't put ahead of us.

Obama has refused to pursue a punishment against the NBPP for voter intimidation after a default guilty verdict was obtained.

He has bowed to foreign heads of states.

He has favored our radical Islamic enemies over our ally Israel.

He has went out of his way to offend our ally England.

He has pushed an agenda which is doing great harm to the US economy.

He has ignored the overwhelming data that the warmers practiced deceit and fraud, so that the economy can be further hamstrung.

He has refused to accept a guilty plea from the 9/11 planners.

I could go on, but the left doesn't care.

LWW

Chilled
03-27-2010, 11:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chilled</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A president that is loyal to America would not go around apologizing for all the trouble that he thinks we have caused in the world. Hi does not believe in American Exceptionalism or America's contribution to the world in war and in peace. Based on his actions, he views America as the cause of most of the world's problems. He continually insults our allies while patronizing our enemies in an idiotic attempt to realign us and weaken us.

He does consider himself a citizen of the world and probably considers the nation-state as a defective concept. </div></div>

For someone who clearly considers himself well qualified enough to assess a President of the USA as being a "moron" and a "total dunce" it's surprising that you seem to be having some cognitive problems yourself in understanding and/or answering a simple question.

You stated that his loyalties lie somewhere else other than USA. That suggests you have some other country or some other group of people other than Americans in mind for where his loyalties lie.

I didn't disagree with you.....yet. Maybe he is the first President in history to climb his way through the exhaustive selection and voting process for US President while all the time secretly harbouring greater hatred for the USA than he has pride for it and with a greater loyalty to some other country or group of people than he has towards Americans. It seemed like a very serious allegation to make so I just wanted in on the information you obtained which led you to that conclusion.

The question concerned with which country or countries or with group of people you think his loyalties lie and how you know this to be the case. So far you have answered with a whole bunch of vague generalities suggesting you think his loyalties lie with "our enemies" because you have observed him insulting unspecified allies and patronizing unspecified enemies.

<u>So let's try again......which of "our enemies" do you think his loyalties lie with? Can you name two or three countries or groups, or even just one, and then perhaps share some clues as to what you think his reasons might be for being more loyal to those countries or groups than to America?</u>

Having loyalty to a country other than America is a very serious and some would say pretty far fetched charge to lay against any President. The very least you could do is to back it up with something less ambiguous and more rational than could be heard from any loud and drunk bigot in a bar.


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It must be a very hard question. Let's try yet again. Apparently the answer should be obvious to me. Well it isn't. Can anybody on here name a country that the current President of the USA has more loyalty to than USA and explain what they think the reasons might be behind why he feels more loyal to that country than USA?

Then we can examine the suggestions.

Sev
03-27-2010, 11:03 PM
Personally I dont think its a matter of loyalty to another country but rather being an idiolog who views America as being far to powerful and rich as compared to other nations. He also sees the wealth of others as perhaps offensive when viewed in the light that we are allowed equal opportunity but do not achieve equal outcomes.

Life is not easy. Nor is it fair. No matter how one would like to orchestrate equal outcomes for all it is an unachievable and possibly destructive desire.

llotter
03-28-2010, 08:17 AM
Well said, Sev. Orchestrating outcomes is not the American way of doing things. It is the Marxist way and obviously not compatible with freedom.

Gayle in MD
03-28-2010, 10:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well said, Sev. Orchestrating outcomes is not the American way of doing things. It is the Marxist way and obviously not compatible with freedom. </div></div>

So Llotter, I see you are ignoring chill's question, and mine.

His: <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It must be a very hard question. Let's try yet again. Apparently the answer should be obvious to me. Well it isn't. Can anybody on here name a country that the current President of the USA has more loyalty to than USA and explain what they think the reasons might be behind why he feels more loyal to that country than USA?

Then we can examine the suggestions.
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And Mine:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Name one damn freedom that has been taken away from you? Just one! </div></div>

Are you just going to write these vicious lies about our president, and then refuse to back them up with any actual evidence?

G.

llotter
03-28-2010, 06:28 PM
I agree with Sev that The Moron is more anti-American than pro any specific other country and this influences his Administration's policy. His oft repeated desire to redistribute wealth takes on a global aspect as he befriends the third world while undermining our relationship with our historic allies.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/the_consequences_of_the_usruss.html

You as the question about what freedoms have been lost and again, Sev identified the forced purchased of insurance is tyranny, but it goes deeper. Spending your own money to solve your own problems is probably as close to the essence of freedom as there is and it explains precisely why capitalism is so much more successful than the alternatives.

Capitalism, the economic system where people are free, putting to use everyone's mind to solve their own problems instead of a few people at the top deciding what's best for everyone. What we are losing is the ability to use own resources in the way we think is best for each of us.

Government already takes a very large share of private income and that leaves less in the hands of those actually with real problems of their own. Government is the most inefficient and wasteful spender of money and the earner is the most efficient so it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the more waste in the economy, the poorer and less free it becomes.

Gayle in MD
03-28-2010, 06:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree with Sev that The Moron is more anti-American than pro any specific other country and this influences his Administration's policy. His oft repeated desire to redistribute wealth takes on a global aspect as he befriends the third world while undermining our relationship with our historic allies.

You as the question about what freedoms have been lost and again, Sev identified the forced purchased of insurance is tyranny, but it goes deeper. Spending your own money to solve your own problems is probably as close to the essence of freedom as there is and it explains precisely why capitalism is so much more successful than the alternatives.

Capitalism, the economic system where people are free, putting to use everyone's mind to solve their own problems instead of a few people at the top deciding what's best for everyone. What we are losing is the ability to use own resources in the way we think is best for each of us.

Government already takes a very large share of private income and that leaves less in the hands of those actually with real problems of their own. Government is the most inefficient and wasteful spender of money and the earner is the most efficient so it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the more waste in the economy, the poorer and less free it becomes.

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One more time! What country is Obama more loyal to than America?

Name one damn freedom that has been taken away from you.

I'm not really interested in your attacks on my government. I know too many hard working government employees, in fact, loads of them.

The Health Care Bill, IS NOT A GOVERNMENT TAKE OVER!

What did you think when Ronald Reagan fired all of the Air traffic controllers. Hard working people who weren't even asking for money, just trying to give a heads up in the name of safety. They were overworked, working 12 to 17 hours a day! Not only did he fire them, but he made sure they'd never work in their field again.

What did you think when Reagan bailed out the Savings and Loans?

If you can read War and Peace, this bill would be a snap! Since when is having to read bills, unamerican? Since when it is unamerican to step in and put regulations on industries that are ripping off the public? Or end corporate policies that are bankrupting thousands of Sick American People!

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Just give us some concrete examples, just one, even, of one freedom you have lost, and what country president Obama is more loyal to, than America, </span>where he was born, In Hawaii, grew up, graduated high school in Hawaii, went to college in America, went to Law School in America, graduated highest in his class in America, worked in and for his community in America, ran for office in his state, in America, and then ran for Senator in the United States Senate, and then ran for President of the United States Of America, won with a healthy margin, and is doing all the things that Americans wanted him to do, with his MANDATE!.. .

G.

Qtec
03-28-2010, 07:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well said, Sev. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>Orchestrating outcomes is not the American way of doing things</span>. It is the Marxist way and obviously not compatible with freedom. </div></div>
Yeah rrrrrrright!!?? LOL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A newly leaked CIA report prepared earlier this month (.pdf) analyzes how the U.S. Government <span style='font-size: 20pt'>can best manipulate </span>public opinion in Germany and France -- in order to ensure that those countries continue to fight in Afghanistan. The Report celebrates the fact that the governments of those two nations continue to fight the war <span style='font-size: 20pt'>in defiance of overwhelming public opinion which opposes it</span> -- <u>so much for all the recent veneration of "consent of the governed"</u> -- and it notes that this is possible due to lack of interest among their citizenry: "<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Public Apathy Enables Leaders to Ignore Voters,</span>" proclaims the title of one section. </div></div>
link (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/03/27/wikileaks/index.html)
Q

llotter
03-28-2010, 08:15 PM
As I just mentioned, the freedom we are all losing is the ability to spend your own money to solve your own problems so, the citizen becomes a ward of the state. Being dependent is the opposite of being free.

And, as I mentioned previously, The Moron is working to 'transform' America because he obviously doesn't like capitalism with its unequal distribution of wealth. His fantasy will be fulfilled when America is as poor and the rest of the world.

Gayle in MD
03-28-2010, 08:28 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As I just mentioned, the freedom we are all losing is the ability to spend your own money to solve your own problems so, the citizen becomes a ward of the state. Being dependent is the opposite of being free.

<span style="color: #000066"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>Name one freedom that has been taken away from you </span></span>

And, as I mentioned previously, The Moron is working to 'transform' America because he obviously doesn't like capitalism with its unequal distribution of wealth. His fantasy will be fulfilled when America is as poor and the rest of the world. </div></div>
<span style="color: #000066">
Do you really believe this BS, or are you just trying to stir up ****? did you mind when eight years of Bush, redistributed the wealth to the top 1% while the Middle Class lost ground? How about Reagan's tenure, when the same thing happened? why do you think Bush One called it VOODOO Economics, after REagan was gone???? Nothing trickled down.

You want socialism, but only for the rich!

G.</span>

Qtec
03-28-2010, 08:48 PM
OMG. The US can only destroy the Earth 10 times over instead of 20. Run for the hills and take plenty of ammo.


Q

Sev
03-28-2010, 09:15 PM
We are loosing the freedom of our purses to an ever growing government that has to be fed ever greater portions of every working individuals gross pay. With the ever increasing size of government there is a net loose in income.

The government is now 2,000,000 employee's and still growing. Many are receiving obscene wages and benefits on the backs of the American tax payer.
Every dollar that goes to a government employee or program is one less dollar available for individuals of this country to pursue the American dream.

One would think that you are in favor of the citizenry of this country to have the ability to pursue the American dream unfettered by bondage put upon them by government.

Chilled
03-28-2010, 11:50 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well said, Sev. </div></div>

It's no great surpise that you seem to not even understand that what Sev said actually illustrates Sev's disagreement with the views you expressed on the Presidents loyalty to countries other than USA.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Orchestrating outcomes is not the American way of doing things.</div></div>

That's a good one, LMAO! On the contrary it's one of the things that America in general and Presidents in particular, Rep and Dem, have a very long history of being exceptionally good at.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is the Marxist way and obviously not compatible with freedom.</div></div>

In certain circumstances the orchestrating of outcomes might well be truthfully said to be Marxist and/or incompatible with freedoms.....but on current evidence it seems that you are so entrenched in the practices of spinning and calling "wolf" that it doesn't seem very likely that you'd be capable of recognising a genuine instance of that when it arises or that anyone would pay much attention.

One day perhaps you will realise that far from thinking "great post, you tell them lotter!", many intelligent and circumspect criticisers of this President probably quietly cringe in embarassment every time they see your jingoistic and lacking in substance nonsense unintentionally inflict damage upon and/or detract from, their many valid arguments against this President.

For what it's worth and that's admittedly not much, I am no fan of this President or the Democratic Party and certainly not of Marxism or any kind of Statism....but a belief that the President of the USA has loyalty to any country above the USA is on a par with a belief in any crazy birther or 9/11 conspiracies and to me identifies the holder of that belief as being far more worthy of the label "moron" or "total dunce" than the President.

PS...nearly forgot the original point which you used on this occasion as a vehicle for the anti-Obama rant.

Your allegation that this nuclear agreement will amount to unilateral disarmament by USA seems to suggest that you think big bad Russia will outwit the naive USA President and that only USA will actually reduce their stockpiles.

You fail to realise that the nut and bolts of this agreement and the verification procedures within it were actually worked out by some of USA's finest and most cynical military and intelligence services' brains and signed off upon with the blessing of the Joint Chiefs of Staff etc.

In your compulsive haste to try and land a sneaky rabbit punch on the President you have therefore managed to insult the competence of all of those military and intelligence personnel and to smear egg all over your own face in one easy motion. Congratulations.

Gayle in MD
03-29-2010, 09:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Name one freedom that has been taken away from you

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Still Waiting.

pooltchr
03-29-2010, 09:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Name one freedom that has been taken away from you

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Still Waiting. </div></div>

How about the freedom to decide whether or not I want to buy health insurance?

Steve

llotter
03-29-2010, 10:01 AM
Steve, I have repeated that point over and over but Gayle doesn't understand. The less money you have left over after big brother is satisfied, the less freedom you have.

You know, the only reason that they are forcing individuals to buy the insurance instead of merely taxing you enough to pay for it is because that wouldn't fit their 'lowering the cost model' that they are selling.

Gayle in MD
03-29-2010, 10:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve, I have repeated that point over and over but Gayle doesn't understand. The less money you have left over after big brother is satisfied, the less freedom you have.

You know, the only reason that they are forcing individuals to buy the insurance instead of merely taxing you enough to pay for it is because that wouldn't fit their 'lowering the cost model' that they are selling. </div></div>

Still waiting. Name one freedom you have lost?

"If you like the insurance you currently have, you can keep it."

LWW
03-29-2010, 10:18 AM
That is a myth.

Wishing the myth was true doesn't make the myth true.

Repeating the myth doesn't make the myth true.

Saying the myth louder doesn't make the myth true.

Myths are, by definition, myths.

LWW

llotter
03-29-2010, 10:39 AM
What is it that is so difficult to understand? This HC bill forces people to purchase insurance even if they don't what to. That is a loss of freedom.

llotter
03-29-2010, 10:45 AM
Of course you are right as usual. HC is change is so fundamental that there will be no guarantees of anything except that it will get worse. The Left if great at myth making but they never seem to be held accountable for their many, many failures.

Gayle in MD
03-29-2010, 10:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is it that is so difficult to understand? This HC bill forces people to purchase insurance even if they don't what to. That is a loss of freedom. </div></div>

What Freedom have YOU lost?

Last attempt.

LWW
03-29-2010, 11:06 AM
If you honestly have to ask the question, you honestly wouldn't understand the answer ... but you could start by researching where the SCOTUS, while it still had a leftist tilt, voided US property rights. Dearest leader's D of J voided our civil rights and election laws by voiding a default judgement against the New Black Panther Party. Secured creditors and shareholders had their contractual rights voided by the way the GM and Chrysler BK's were handled. Franchise holders had their contractual franchise rights voided by the way the thugocracy voided franchises held by non dem dealers and awarded them to dem dealers.

I could go on.

LWW

pooltchr
03-29-2010, 11:40 AM
funny how she asks a question, and then refuses to acknowledge multiple examples given in answer to the question.

She doesn't want to know!!!!

Steve

LWW
03-29-2010, 12:16 PM
<span style='font-size: 14pt'><u>&gt;&gt;&gt;BLACKWHITE&lt;&lt;&lt; (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwhite#Blackwhite)</u></span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Blackwhite is defined as follows:

"...this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary.</span> This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink.”
-Orwell, 1984-</div></div>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'><u>&gt;&gt;&gt;DOUBLETHINK&lt;&lt;&lt; (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink)</u></span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to the novel, doublethink is:

"To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself -- that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink.”

AND ...

“The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them....To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth."
-Orwell, 1984-</div></div>

LWW

eg8r
03-29-2010, 12:57 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Name one damn freedom that has been taken away from you? Just one! </div></div>This one is pretty simple...the freedom to NOT buy health insurance if one so chooses.

eg8r

eg8r
03-29-2010, 12:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One more time! What country is Obama more loyal to than America?

Name one damn freedom that has been taken away from you.</div></div>He gave you the answer to the second question. Why don't you read what is here before blowing up?

eg8r

LWW
03-29-2010, 01:01 PM
It is a common Alinsky tactic to, when faced with a non swamp water drinking debater, to simply repeat the question again and again while doing it louder each time.

LWW

llotter
03-29-2010, 01:05 PM
I think I'm beginning to get it now. As long as I maintain the freedom to do as I'm told, I should just sit down and shut up.

llotter
03-29-2010, 01:11 PM
BTW, thanks for posting those paragraphs....always interesting to read and getting more apropos everyday. Shows to go that even sixty years ago, the seeds of our Marxist future were taking root.

Gayle in MD
03-29-2010, 01:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think I'm beginning to get it now. As long as I maintain the freedom to do as I'm told, I should just sit down and shut up. </div></div>

IMO, which so far I am still allowed under the Constitution, is that this post of yours makes no literate sense, at all.

Republicans were the ones who wanted the mandate, I have posted proof of that today. It was a Republican idea, and policy, in every attemjpt at reforming medical care, and fine with you Republicans, until this president included it in his HCR package.

Secondly, every president works to get an agreement with Russia, and with all other countries who have nukes, on reducing nuclear arsenals, EVERY PRESIDENT! so what's your gripe about that? Pure hatred for the first African American President?



The fact is that the more nukes that are laying around the world, the greater the risk of an accident, or worst yet, havig them fall into the hands of a radical group.

So what exactly is the point of this thread? You are trying to say that this president is wrong for doing what is a good thing to accomplish, something that Bush failed at miserably, and his father, simply because you are among the RW people who think that President Obama is not the legitimate President of the United States?

this is always what Republicans do when they lose.

It's stupid, really, and you see, IMO, the greatest dangers to this country, are Republicans, the neocons, the Republican Party, the RW Tea Partiers, and the skinheads, relilgious militias, and the radical right.

the difference between your opinions on that, and mine, is that the FBI, Homeland Security, and the National Security Advisor, all agree with my take on the subject.

Hence, this is a very unrealistic, untrue, screwed up post on it's face.

If you do't like the mandate, then you can thank republicans for it, they are the ones who have pushed for it for decades....

Obama tried to include some of their ideas, to make the bill more bi-partisan. Republicans are making pure asses of themselves, atleast to those of us who have a handle on history.

Who the hell is for keeping more nukes spread across the world&gt; YOU?

G.

eg8r
03-29-2010, 01:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Still waiting. Name one freedom you have lost?

"If you like the insurance you currently have, you can keep it." </div></div>News flash gayle, that is not the only example. How about the people that like having no insurance because they don't want to pay for it? How about the people who don't have insurance because they cannot afford it? They will lose that freedom because obama/pelosi/reid have removed the freedom of choice and made health insurance a requirement.

eg8r

eg8r
03-29-2010, 01:17 PM
He has lost the freedom to choose to not have health insurance.

eg8r

LWW
03-29-2010, 01:33 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BTW, thanks for posting those paragraphs....always interesting to read and getting more apropos everyday. Shows to go that even sixty years ago, the seeds of our Marxist future were taking root. </div></div>

Orwell was a genius, he was just a little too quick in assigning a year. The "1984" was arrived at from the fact that it was 1948 when it was published.

Even in the book, however, the main character ... Winston Smith who worked in the "MINISTRY OF TRUTH" rewriting history each day ... realized that it was on "1984" because the state said it was 1984. It might have actually been 2984 for all he really knew.

Realizing what was going on at a conscious level was considered "CRIMETHINK" and was the beginning of his undoing.

It is a book available in probably every library in America, plus readily available in used book stores and online new for under $10.00.

It is highly recommended reading and, along with Alinsky's "RULES FOR RADICALS", key to understanding the mindset of the far left.

FWIW ... don't believe the member here who claims to have read it 20+ times and that it is a book warning of the dangers of not listening to "BIG BROTHER."

To make a short story long, the book has so many analogous characters with today as to be absolutely frightening.

Emmanuel Goldstein, chief "ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE", is an amalgam of Ronald Reagan/GW Bush/Limbaugh/Beck ... someone who realizes what the world used to be like before the party revised history and what the con game is.

Keith Olberman's "WORLD'S WORST/WORSER/WORSTEST PERSON IN THE WORLD" is the party's required viewing of the daily "TWO MINUTES HATE" to a tee.

Parsons, Syme, and O'Brien are 3 other characters who remind me of members of this very forum. And, of course, we have dearest leader as Big Brother.

LWW

llotter
03-29-2010, 02:10 PM
Didn't Orwell have some socialist/communist leanings or did he see the light before his death? It seems he was experiencing some doublethink, wasn't he?

LWW
03-29-2010, 02:26 PM
Yes and no.

Orwell was an odd bird in that he was a "TRUE" socialist, meaning he was very much anti Stalin, anti Mao, anti Hitler, but a believer that a lean government should work for the ACTUAL best interests of the people as opposed to working for the best interests of the party.

"1984" was largely motivated by his seeing how easily vast numbers of the left could be led astray by a charismatic leader such as Stalin/Mao/Hitler/Obama by telling the people whatever idealistic lie they wanted to hear ... while actually delivering a "aBOOT STOMPING ON THE FACE OF HUMANITY FOREVER" as Big Brother did.

From his biographer:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"... the other crucial dimension to Orwell's socialism was his recognition that the Soviet Union was not socialist. Unlike many on the left, instead of abandoning socialism once he discovered the full horror of Stalinist rule in the Soviet Union, Orwell abandoned the Soviet Union and instead remained a socialist — indeed he became more committed to the socialist cause than ever." </div></div>

and far too many people in the UK/USA left remained loyal to Stalin and ignored the horrors, just as we have many in power today who admire Mao while ignoring his slaughter made Hitler's look punkish.

LWW

Sev
03-29-2010, 06:59 PM
We need to be more worried about China than Russia.

I cant but notice that the sock puppet has not sat down with them.

Could it be because he is an endentured servent to China??