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Gayle in MD
03-29-2010, 10:30 AM
<span style="color: #000066">Conspiracy To Commit Murder! Well, reasonable people knew this was coming. Republicans should feel proud of their efforts to throw gasoline on this fire.

I hope they're satisfied. How many more of these "Christian" militias are planning attacks from their fly-over states? THUGS! Parading as Christians! How many might be posting right here? </span>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Christian Militia Members Planned to Kill cop And Bomb Funeral Hutaree Militia's web site features biblical scripture and a photo of people dressed in military fatigues. Get Breaking News Alerts

Share Comments 436 DETROIT — Nine suspects tied to a Midwest Christian militia that was preparing for the Antichrist were charged with conspiring to kill police officers, then attack a funeral using homemade bombs in the hopes of killing more law enforcement personnel, federal prosecutors said Monday.

The Michigan-based group, called Hutaree, planned to use the attack on police as a catalyst for a larger uprising against the government, according to newly unsealed court papers. U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade said agents moved on the group because its members were planning a violent reconnaissance mission sometime in April.

Members of the group, including its leader, David Brian Stone, also known as "Captain Hutaree," were charged following FBI raids over the weekend on locations in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana.

The idea of attacking a police funeral was one of numerous scenarios discussed as ways to go after law enforcement officers, the indictment said. Other scenarios included a fake 911 call to lure an officer to his or her death, or an attack on the family of a police officer.

Once other officers gathered for a slain officer's funeral, the group planned to detonate homemade bombs at the funeral, killing more, according to the indictment.

After such attacks, the group allegedly planned to retreat to "rally points" protected by trip-wired improvised explosive devices, or IEDs, for what they expected would become a violent standoff with law enforcement personnel.

"It is believed by the Hutaree that this engagement would then serve as a catalyst for a more wide-spread uprising against the government," the indictment charges.

According to investigators, the Hutaree view local, state, and federal law enforcement personnel as a "brotherhood" and an enemy, and planned to attack them as part of an armed struggle against the U.S. government.

The indictment charges members of the group conspired "to levy war against the United States, (and) to oppose by force the authority of the government of the United States."

Eight suspects have been arrested by the FBI, and one more is being sought. Of the eight captured, seven were arraigned Monday in Detroit and ordered held pending a bond hearing Wednesday.

The charges against the eight include seditious conspiracy, possessing a firearm during a crime of violence, teaching the use of explosives, and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction – homemade bombs. All seven defendants in court on Monday requested to be represented by the federal defender's office.

The case "is an example of radical and extremist fringe groups which can be found throughout our society. The FBI takes such extremist groups seriously, especially those who would target innocent citizens and the law enforcement officers who protect the citizens of the United States," said Andrew Arena, head of the FBI's field office in Detroit.

Stone's ex-wife, Donna Stone, told The Associated Press before the arraignments that her former husband was to blame for pulling her son into the Hutaree movement. She said David Brian Stone legally adopted her son, David Brian Stone Jr., who is among those indicted. She said the marriage lasted about 10 years.

"It started out as a Christian thing," said Donna Stone, 44. "You go to church. You pray. You take care of your family. I think David started to take it a little too far. He dragged a lot of people with him."

Another son of David Brian Stone, Joshua Matthew Stone, is also indicted and currently a fugitive, said Detroit FBI spokeswoman Sandra Berchtold.

On its Web site, Hutaree quotes several Bible passages and states: "We believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-Christ. ... Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment." There's also a picture on the site of 17 camouflaged men, all holding large guns.

The group didn't return an e-mail sent by The Associated Press, and attempts by telephone to reach the Stones went unanswered.

FBI agents in Michigan swarmed a rural, wooded property Saturday evening in Adrian, about 70 miles southwest of Detroit. That same night in Hammond, Ind., law enforcement agents flooded a neighborhood, startling workers at a nearby pizzeria. And in Ohio authorities blocked off streets and raided two homes.

In Adrian, two ramshackle trailers sat side-by-side on the property, the door to one slightly ajar late Sunday as if it had been forced open. Phyllis Brugger, who has lived in the area for more than 30 years, said some people who lived there were known as having ties to militia. They would shoot guns and often wore camouflage, according to Brugger and her daughter, Heidi Wood.

"Everybody knew they were militia," Brugger said. "You don't mess with them."

In Hammond, 18-year-old George Ponce, who works at a pizzeria next door to a home that was raided, said he and a few co-workers stepped outside for a break Saturday night and saw a swarm of law enforcement.

"I heard a yell, 'Get back inside!' and saw a squad member pointing a rifle at us," Ponce said. "They told us the bomb squad was going in, sweeping the house looking for bombs."

He said another agent was in the bushes near the house, and law enforcement vehicles were "all over." He estimated that agents took more than two dozen guns from the house.

In Ohio, one of the raids occurred at Bayshore Estates, a well-kept trailer park in Sandusky, a small city on Lake Erie between Toledo and Cleveland. Neighbors said the man taken into custody lived in a trailer on a cul-de-sac with his wife and two young children.

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Barrett reported from Washington. Associated Press writers David Aguilar and Jeff Karoub in Detroit; Mike Householder in Adrian; Rick Callahan and Charles Wilson in Indianapolis; John Seewer in Sandusky, Ohio; and Matt Leingang in Columbus, Ohio, contributed to this story.
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Gayle in MD
03-29-2010, 10:41 AM
Update:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> UPDATE: Alleged militia members to appear before judge at 10 a.m.

Agents also conducted raids in Indiana and Ohio and arrested at least three people. FBI spokesman Scott Wilson in Cleveland said agents arrested two people Saturday after raids in two Ohio towns. A third arrest made in northeast Illinois stemmed from a raid in northwest Indiana. The arrests are part of an ongoing investigation led by the FBI in Michigan, according to a statement from agents in Illinois.

The raids in Michigan took place Saturday and Sunday at undisclosed locations, said Detroit FBI Special Agent Sandra Berchtold.

“We can confirm that there were law enforcement activities in the Lenawee/Washtenaw County area,” Berchtold said.

But she added that “the federal warrants are sealed and we cannot comment at this time.”

An e-mail sent to the Hutaree was not immediately returned Sunday.

The group’s message boards contained messages from people talking about the raids, but none confirmed that the group had been raided.

The group’s Web site says that it is “preparing for the end time battles to keep the testimony of Jesus Christ alive.” The group’s logo is a cross with the initials CCR, which stand for Colonial Christian Republic. In one of its videos, a group of men in military gear take down a burning United Nations flag and replace it with their flag, which displays a cross.

On its Web site, the Michigan Militia denied involvement in the raids.

“Neither MICHIGANMILITIA.COM nor the SMVM (Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia) have been raided by the FBI. We do nothing illegal,” reads a statement on michiganmilitia.com.

Michael Lackomar, a spokesman for the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia, said one of his team leaders got a frantic phone call Saturday evening from members of Hutaree, who said their property in southwest Michigan was being raided by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
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“They said they were under attack by the ATF and wanted a place to hide,” Lackomar said. “My team leader said, ‘No thanks.’”

The team leader was cooperating with the FBI on Sunday, Lackomar said. He said SMVM wasn’t affiliated with Hutaree.

Police swarmed a rural, wooded property around 7 p.m. Saturday outside Adrian, about 70 miles southwest of Detroit, said Evelyn Reitz, who lives about a half-mile away. She said several police cars, with lights flashing, were still there Sunday evening and 15 to 20 officers were stationed in the area.

Neighbor Jane Cattell said she came home from the movies Saturday night and a helicopter was circling above, its spotlight illuminating her house. She and her sister, Sarah Holtz, wouldn’t say who lived in the home but said they knew them from riding their horses past their house.

“They’re your average, nice neighbors,” Holtz said.

There were rumors about ties to a militia, but Holtz she knew nothing of that from her interaction with them.

One of the raids in Ohio occurred at Bayshore Estates, a trailer park in Sandusky, a small city on Lake Erie between Toledo and Cleveland, park manager Terry Mills said. Authorities blocked off the street for about an hour Saturday night, he said.

“Needless to say, this has everyone talking,” said Mills, 62. “We have a lot of retirees here who don’t want all this commotion.”

Mills said he didn’t know the identity of the person arrested.

Contact NIRAJ WARIKOO: 313-223-4792 or nwarikoo@freepress.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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<span style="color: #000066">Guess the right will deny that these are THEIR people. Just a few partiotic Americans, expressing their freedom of speech. </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

pooltchr
03-29-2010, 10:47 AM
If found guilty, they should be punished, regardless of any political affiliation or lack thereof.

BTW, At least try to get your spelling right when you title a new thread.

Thanks

Steve

LWW
03-29-2010, 11:53 AM
Agreed.

At this time we don't even know that they are "RW" types however.

LWW

wolfdancer
03-29-2010, 04:45 PM
I read that earlier online, but thought it too dangerous to post here

cushioncrawler
03-29-2010, 06:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...... How many more of these "Christian" militias are planning attacks from their fly-over states? THUGS! Parading as Christians! How many might be posting right here?.....</div></div>Hmmmmmmm -- Militias can be left'wing. And real Christians are all (should be all) left'wing.
But i doubt that there are any modern Christians that are left'wing -- they are all faux'Christians -- and they are all right'wing -- and they are all parading az Christians -- militia or not.
madMac.

Sev
03-29-2010, 06:24 PM
They should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law if the charges are proven true.

They sound like a bunch of loons.

pooltchr
03-29-2010, 08:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> How many more of these "Christian" militias are planning attacks from their fly-over states? THUGS! </div></div>

Elitist snob.

Steve

llotter
03-30-2010, 04:39 AM
This has the smell of a diversion by the administration rather than anything very serious.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The wife of one of the defendants described Hutaree as a small group of patriotic, Christian buddies who were just doing survival training.
"It consisted of a dad and two of his sons and I think just a couple other close friends of theirs," said Kelly Sickles, who husband, Kristopher, was among those charged. "It was supposed to be a Christian group. Christ-like, right, so why would you think that's something wrong with that, right?"
Sickles said she came home Saturday night to find her house in Sandusky, Ohio, in disarray. Agents seized the guns her husband collected as a hobby and searched for bomb-making materials, she said, but added: "He doesn't even know how to make a bomb. We had no bomb material here."
She said she couldn't believe her 27-year-old husband could be involved in anything violent.
"It was just survival skills," she said. "That's what they were learning. And it's just patriotism. It's in our Constitution."
One of the defendants expressed anti-tax views during his Monday court hearing.
Thomas W. Piatek, a truck driver from Whiting, Ind., told a federal judge he could not afford an attorney because he was "getting raped on property taxes."</div></div>

sounds pretty innocent to me. Methinks they are just making a federal case out of little to demonize patriotic, god-fearing Americans who disagree with the big government policies. Frankly, I take some comfort that there are citizens out there in the hinterlands who take their responsibility to be watchful seriously.

LWW
03-30-2010, 07:03 AM
That <u>could</u> be right.

In the other thread I predicted that dearest leader's minions would seek to create their own Reichstag incident. That may be what happened here ... and it may not.

In any event, it is quite obvious that they are on a terror to create ginned up hate charges.

LWW

Gayle in MD
03-30-2010, 12:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...... How many more of these "Christian" militias are planning attacks from their fly-over states? THUGS! Parading as Christians! How many might be posting right here?.....</div></div>Hmmmmmmm -- Militias can be left'wing. And real Christians are all (should be all) left'wing.
But i doubt that there are any modern Christians that are left'wing -- they are all faux'Christians -- and they are all right'wing -- and they are all parading az Christians -- militia or not.
madMac. </div></div>

Any group of fundamentalist religious nutcases who amass an arsenal the size that this group had, intending to kill a policeman, then go his his funeral and bomb all the mourning fellow police, and families there, spewing hatred of their government, caliming that they are doing the work of God with their killing, is a RW radical "Christian" group of thugs.

No different, no better, and no less dangerous than al Qaeda.

G.

pooltchr
03-30-2010, 01:04 PM
And yet you argue that a guy who posts video threats and fires a gun into the office of Cantor is just a misunderstood victim!

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Steve

LWW
03-30-2010, 02:33 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...... How many more of these "Christian" militias are planning attacks from their fly-over states? THUGS! Parading as Christians! How many might be posting right here?.....</div></div>Hmmmmmmm -- Militias can be left'wing. And real Christians are all (should be all) left'wing.
But i doubt that there are any modern Christians that are left'wing -- they are all faux'Christians -- and they are all right'wing -- and they are all parading az Christians -- militia or not.
madMac. </div></div>

So you agree then that William Ayres and friends are as dangerous as Al Qaeda?

LWW
Any group of fundamentalist religious nutcases who amass an arsenal the size that this group had, intending to kill a policeman, then go his his funeral and bomb all the mourning fellow police, and families there, spewing hatred of their government, caliming that they are doing the work of God with their killing, is a RW radical "Christian" group of thugs.

No different, no better, and no less dangerous than al Qaeda.

G. </div></div>