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LWW
03-30-2010, 10:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In official Washington, some consider the Tea Party movement a fringe element in society, but voters across the nation feel closer to the Tea Party movement than they do to Congress.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 52% of U.S. voters believe the average member of the Tea Party movement has a better understanding of the issues facing America today than the average member of Congress. Only 30% believe that those in Congress have a better understanding of the key issues facing the nation.

When it comes to those issues, 47% think that their own political views are closer to those of the average Tea Party member than to the views of the average member of Congress. On this point, 26% feel closer to Congress.

Finally, 46% of voters say that the average Tea Party member is more ethical than the average member of Congress. Twenty-seven percent (27%) say that the average member of Congress is more ethical.

As you would expect, there is a wide divide between the Political Class and Mainstream Americans on these questions. Seventy-five percent (75%) of those in the Political Class say that members of Congress are better informed on the issues. Among Mainstream Americans, 68% have the opposite view, and only 16% believe Congress is better informed.

By a 62% to 12% margin, Mainstream Americans say the Tea Party is closer to their views. By a 90% to one percent (1%) margin, the Political Class feels closer to Congress.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>“The gap between Americans who want to govern themselves and politicians who want to rule over them may be as big today as the gap between the colonies and England during the 18th century,”</span> Scott Rasmussen, president of Rasmussen Reports, says in his new book, In Search of Self-Governance. “If we had to rely on politicians to fix these problems, the outlook for the nation would be bleak indeed. Fortunately, in America, the politicians aren’t nearly as important as they think they are.”

Earlier polling found that just 16% of voters nationwide consider themselves part of the Tea Party Movement. However, just 11% believe Congress is doing a good or an excellent job. Seventy-six percent (76%) think most members of Congress are more interested in their own careers than in helping people.

On all questions, Republicans overwhelming prefer the Tea Pa<span style='font-size: 14pt'>rty. Unaffiliated voters also prefer the Tea Party by wide margins</span>, but Congress fares a bit better with unaffiliateds than they do with Republicans.

Democrats, perhaps not surprisingly since their party currently controls both the House and Senate, are more evenly divided. Forty-five percent (45%) of those in Nancy Pelosi’s party say that their views are closer to the average member of Congress. However, 28% of Democrats say their views are closer to the average member of the Tea Party.

Men are more likely to align with the Tea Party than women, but a plurality of women prefer the Tea Party over Congress on every question in the survey.

If the Tea Party was organized as a political party, 34% of voters would prefer a Democrat in a three-way congressional race. In that hypothetical match-up, the Republican gets 27% of the vote with the Tea Party hopeful in third at 21%.

However, if only the Democrat or Republican had a real chance to win, most of the Tea Party supporters would vote for the Republican.

Fifty-one percent (51%) of Americans had a favorable view of the so-called “tea party” protests just after they were held on Tax Day, April 15, last year. It was those events around the country that gelled into the Tea Party movement, a protest largely against what are viewed as the big government policies of both major political parties.
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&gt;&gt;&gt;THEY EVEN HAVE THE AUDACITY TO DISCLOSE THEIR METHODOLOGY&lt;&lt;&lt; (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/march_2010/most_say_tea_party_has_better_understanding_of_iss ues_than_congress)

Of course, when you are the most accurate polling service you have no reason to hide how you came up with your numbers.

LWW

pooltchr
03-30-2010, 11:10 AM
If the tea party can make any kind of inroads at all in November, the 2012 election is going to be <u>very</u> interesting!

Steve

LWW
03-30-2010, 11:26 AM
It is making serious inroads already.

McCain even is having a tough primary challenge.

There will be some upsets in the republichicken primaries and the party is definitely moving to the right.

The thing I find amazing, especially with the demokooks marching ever farther to the left, is the number of people thinking their is essentially no difference between the 2 parties.

I'm 53 and I can't remember there being as clear cut of a difference across the ticket ever.

The RINO's however, thanks to the tea party, can no longer survive by merely being 1 step to the right of the demokooks.

The reps are finally learning they aren't nearly conservative enough, and people are starting to take ethics of candidates seriously again.

Any candidate who isn't running on an agenda of shrinking the footprint of the state is whistling past the political graveyard.

I had at the start of the year predicted -20 in the house and -5 in the senate for the reps.

Today I wouldn't be shocked at a gain of 9 in the senate and 75 in the house for the republichickens.

If that's the case then dearest leader is toast.

LWW

Under
03-30-2010, 01:49 PM
You have isolated the key issues relating to Tea Party involvement.

McCain challenger will succeed.

There will be a culling of Rinos.

The no difference between parties talk is a democrat or supporter trying to change the subject. As the Tea Party sees, there is a big difference and this is the focus of the emotion.

There will be more movement toward a truly conservative versus a republican view.

Hope your predictions are proved out to be on the conservative side.

And, yes lets us toast to the Toast.

Under
03-30-2010, 01:52 PM
What is the signature re hondo significant of?

I wouldn't be surprised if The Two Minute Man, made racist statements or implications?

LWW
03-30-2010, 02:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Under</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the signature re hondo significant of?

I wouldn't be surprised if The Two Minute Man, made racist statements or implications? </div></div>

Some folks here are single forum members, as opposed to dual forum members like you and I. Now, many members are seeing hondo in all his glory since he has been put on the waiver wires by AZB.

I wear a slur from a defender of Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops Robert Carlyle Cornelius Calvin Sale Junior Byrd as a badge of honor.

And, FWIW, it has been reported here by another member that he has made similar comments in PM to another member.

LWW

hondo
03-30-2010, 05:44 PM
Apparently I was wrong and you did not receive a warning
from the moderator as I did.
Not sure why your name was also on the notice I received.

Please carry on.

I am defenseless.

LWW
03-31-2010, 04:05 AM
The forum topic is American's and their overwhelming support of the tea party.

LWW

hondo
03-31-2010, 06:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Under</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the signature re hondo significant of?

I wouldn't be surprised if The Two Minute Man, made racist statements or implications? </div></div>


The forum topic is American's and their overwhelming support of the tea party.

LWW

Under
04-01-2010, 06:00 AM
Thanks for keeping me on topic.

Seems you are adapting some manners.
As an off topic aside, might I suggest the following for your perusal.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51y66BC8yVL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

Under
04-01-2010, 06:10 AM
Yes, John can and should be replaced. He has tired feet from crossing across the isle. Listened to Hayworth last evening, and he suggested in a non election year McCain would be joining another Rino Lindsey in legalizing the illegals, not to mention the other black hole, Cap and Tax.

If you can afford a donation, send it to JD.

Article is right Here (http://articles.latimes.com/2010/mar/26/nation/la-na-mccain26-2010mar26)

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McCain adapting to face a challenge from the right
Former congressman and radio host J.D. Hayworth has rallied conservatives in his bid for the Arizona Republican's Senate seat, using the things that set McCain apart on the national stage against him.
March 26, 2010|By Mark Z. Barabak

Reporting from Scottsdale, Ariz. — Some years ago, a group of angry conservatives staged a march through this posh Phoenix suburb, venting their frustration with Sen. John McCain. He wished them well and, through a spokeswoman, suggested they all wear sunscreen.

These days, however, McCain is not so glib about the rancor on his right.

Two years after winning the GOP presidential nomination, McCain is facing his toughest reelection fight in nearly two decades -- a primary challenge that highlights his uneasy relationship with fellow Republicans and the perils of his White House pursuit.

There is little honor in might-have-been, nothing that inoculates McCain from the economic anxiety and anti-incumbent undertow pulling at officeholders everywhere. Arizona faces one of the country's worst budget deficits: Parks are closing, 911 service faces cuts and childrenare being kicked off the state insurance rolls.

"It's tough times in Arizona," McCain recently told broadcaster Don Imus. "Really tough."

But it's more than that. The traits that turned McCain into a national figure -- his ambition, his <u>go-against-the-grain persona</u>, his willingness to work with Democrats on climate change, judicial appointments, immigration and more -- are being used to question his loyalty to the state and his party.

"For the better part of a decade, with his pursuit of national office, Arizona went on a back burner," said J.D. Hayworth, 51, the former congressman-turned-radio-host who is McCain's main GOP rival. "I think voters in the Republican primary are looking for a consistent conservative and someone who will be a United States senator for Arizona and not just from Arizona."

McCain, 73, is clearly the front-runner in the August primary as he bids for a fifth term. He has more money, a more experienced campaign team and the support of most of the GOP establishment.

Hayworth might have appropriated the language of Scott Brown -- "This Senate seat does not belong to any one party or any one personality" -- but the Massachusetts senator is backing McCain. On Friday and Saturday, Sarah Palin will campaign for her former running mate.

This is a different John McCain than the buccaneer of the 2000 presidential race, who became a hero to independent voters, or even than the more conservative 2008 presidential nominee.</div></div>

Qtec
04-01-2010, 06:21 AM
Rubbish.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wednesday, February 17, 2010
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Corporate Media Hype Tea Partiers Way beyond their Actual Significance</span>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Percentage of Americans who favor socialism: 20

Percentage of Americans involved in Tea Party Movement: 11</span> (Support for Tea Party is also about 12%).
http://www.juancole.com/graphics/teaparty.jpg </div></div> link (http://www.juancole.com/2010/02/corporate-media-hype-tea-partiers-way.html)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><u>Only 53% of American adults believe capitalism is better than socialism.</u>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>The latest<u> Rasmussen Reports</u> national telephone survey found that 20% disagree and say socialism is better.</span> Twenty-seven percent (27%) are not sure which is better </div></div>

Q

LWW
04-01-2010, 06:34 AM
Boy are you fooled easily.

Did you even read what you just posted?

20% prefer socialism?

Probably so.

11% are involved in the Tea Party?

Also probably true.

Now ... the lie is when the source claims that there are twice as many US supporters of socialism as there are supporters of the Tea Party.

To be accurate, he would need to measure what percentage of the population is active in the socialist movement to the degree of the average Tea Partier ... but that number would be close to zero.

But ... he put the lie that you wanted to hear on the spoon for you, and that seems to be all that you really wanted.

LWW &lt;&lt;&lt;--- Slaying liberal myths since 1978.

Gayle in MD
04-01-2010, 06:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Rubbish.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wednesday, February 17, 2010
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Corporate Media Hype Tea Partiers Way beyond their Actual Significance</span>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Percentage of Americans who favor socialism: 20

Percentage of Americans involved in Tea Party Movement: 11</span> (Support for Tea Party is also about 12%).
http://www.juancole.com/graphics/teaparty.jpg </div></div> link (http://www.juancole.com/2010/02/corporate-media-hype-tea-partiers-way.html)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><u>Only 53% of American adults believe capitalism is better than socialism.</u>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>The latest<u> Rasmussen Reports</u> national telephone survey found that 20% disagree and say socialism is better.</span> Twenty-seven percent (27%) are not sure which is better </div></div>

Q </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 20pt'>Only 9 percent of Tea Partiers are urban, whereas a majority of Americans are.</span>
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<span style="color: #000066">This is the whole problem in a nutshell. Republicans and their redistricting BS, have given away too many electorial votes, to too few people in rural areas. It is a fact that the education level in rural areas, is far below that of urban areas.

After watching these Tea Partiers in action, I'd say their behavior proves this statistic on education levels for sure!

G.</span>

Under
04-01-2010, 06:44 AM
I think they were drawn to the idea of a circle with lazer like focus.

The idea being the lefty's have some difficulty in reading a graph of any kind. And, the result would be the impression that their unassailable point was made.

In summary, they wanted a post to be comparable to my signature.

See below.

Qtec
04-01-2010, 06:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now ... the lie is when the source claims that there are twice as many US supporters of socialism as there are supporters of the Tea Party. </div></div>

Show me where he says that.

Q

Under
04-01-2010, 06:50 AM
Pay close attention to the differing phrases used.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>who favor</span>

Percentage of Americans <span style='font-size: 17pt'>involved</span></div></div>

The author could have used who <span style='font-size: 17pt'>favor</span> in both cases or he could have used <span style='font-size: 17pt'>involved</span> in both cases.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Consider that using differing terms for the supposed identical comparison was done with the forethought of malice.</span>

LWW
04-01-2010, 06:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now ... the lie is when the source claims that there are twice as many US supporters of socialism as there are supporters of the Tea Party. </div></div>

Show me where he says that.

Q </div></div>

Thanks for confirming what Under and I said.

Right here in the graph from YOUR link:

http://www.juancole.com/graphics/teaparty.jpg

He claimed that represented "TWICE AS MANY SOCIALISTS" by putting the phrase "TWICE AS MANY SOCIALISTS" in the middle of his graph.

But, I must confess, I had an unfair advantage over you and G ... I read the link.

LWW

LWW
04-01-2010, 06:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Under</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think they were drawn to the idea of a circle with lazer like focus.</div></div>

Well, to be fair it did have color also.

LWW

Qtec
04-01-2010, 07:05 AM
Duh.....he says there are twice as many socialists as Tea Party members.

Q.......which is true.......Rasmussen said so.

Qtec
04-01-2010, 07:32 AM
I'm not the one who continually posts poll results as if they mean anything, that's LWW's thing.
Fact is, the TP 'movement' is not even unified. Nobody knows who or what they stand for.

Even Larry King can make them look dumb.

watch the video (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/tea-partiers-root-and-loesch-say-get-rid-s)

Q

LWW
04-01-2010, 10:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Duh.....he says there are twice as many socialists as Tea Party members.

Q.......which is true.......Rasmussen said so. </div></div>

That isn't what YOUR link proves at all ... but, you already knew that.

And now your argument boils down to you believe the author's claim even though you deny he ever made it.

As I've always said ... with "DOUBLETHINK" and "BLACKWHITE" all things become believable.

Got a link to the Rasmussen data?

What's that?

You don't?

I already knew that.

LWW

eg8r
04-01-2010, 01:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Republicans and their redistricting BS, have given away too many electorial votes, to too few people in rural areas. It is a fact that the education level in rural areas, is far below that of urban areas.
</div></div>LOL, we have inner city kids who are graduating at the same rate as the Amish who leave to take care of the farm. I wonder which of these is going to become a drain on society soon?

eg8r

pooltchr
04-01-2010, 01:27 PM
Good point, Ed. She stated as a fact that rural people are not as smart as she, because she lives in a non rural area. But, you notice, no source for her information.

I would be willing to bet that graduation rates in rural areas far exceed graduation rates in the big cities.

I'm going to see if the Dept. of Ed has any statistics.

Steve

pooltchr
04-01-2010, 01:38 PM
Wow...Imagine that. The state with the highest graduation rate in the country is Iowa! One of those "fly over" states and certainly not a high urban area kind of state! Number 2 was North Dakota, third is a tie with Nebraska dn Wisconson....more "fly over" states.
Washington DC has one of the lowest!

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_baeo_t1.htm

Steve

LWW
04-01-2010, 01:40 PM
My prediction is that rural schools ... on average ... graduate a higher percentage of their students and a higher standardized test score, at a higher GPA, at a higher SAT, with a higher percentage going on to college, with a lower student crime issue, with a lower student pregnancy rate, and that they do it for a lower cost per student.

Washington, DC and Detroit, Michigan OTOH spend the most per student and provide absolutely abysmal results.

LWW