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Gayle in MD
04-01-2010, 05:26 AM
What a disgrace, that these rightwing Christian activist judges are going to protect this Baptist church, and this RW Christian notcase, while they insult and offend our dead gay soldiers, and their families, at their private family funerals.

The very idea that this RW Activist Judge, has told this boy's father to come up with thousands of dollars to pay to these disgusting religious fanatics, is beyond belief!

The rightwing religious zealots have gone too far, IMO. This is wrong. Freedom of speech does not trump the freedom to respectfully mourn in peace, the loss of one's Brave son, who gave his life for our country, just because the Republican, religious rightwing, is so full of hate!

Every soldier, regardless of his or her sexual preferences, deserves to be honored, and their family the right to mourn, and honor them after death, and without these horrible Republican RW Christian fundamentalist radicals interfering!

I have littel hope that the RW Supreme Court will defend our fallen soldiers against the radical religious right.

A true disgrace!

G.

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'Thank God for dead soldiers': Supreme Court to rule on free speech in case of soldier's funeral
March 8, 2010 | 9:22 am
The Supreme Court agreed Monday to decide on the outer limits of free-speech protection for public protests and to rule on whether a dead soldier’s family can sue fringe religious protesters who picketed near their son’s funeral with signs that said, "Thank God for dead soldiers."

A Maryland jury awarded $10 million in damages to Albert Snyder, whose son Matthew was killed in Iraq in March 2006. He had sued <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Fred Phelps, the founder of the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan., who has traveled the country for 20 years leading controversial protests at funerals for American soldiers. </span>
<span style='font-size: 17pt'>He claims that God hates America because of its tolerance of homosexuality. He and his small group of followers carried protest signs at the funeral in Westminster, Md., that said, “Fag troops,” “God hates the USA” and “God hates fags.”</span>But a lawyer for Phelps said his protests were not targeted at Lance Corp. Matthew Snyder, the soldier, but more generally at America and the U.S. military. The protesters were kept at a distance from the church and the burial service. Nonetheless, the jury awarded damages to the Snyder family on the grounds that the funeral protests invaded their privacy and intentionally inflicted emotional distress.

In September, however, the U.S. 4th Circuit Court of Appeals threw out the entire award on free-speech grounds. “Notwithstanding the distasteful and repugnant nature of the words being challenged in these proceedings, we are constrained to concluded that <span style='font-size: 17pt'>the defendants’ signs are constitutionally protected,” the appeals court said.</span>Snyder’s family appealed to the Supreme Court, saying the protests had “tarnished” their son’s funeral. “Matthew deserved better. A civilized society deserved better,” they said.

The court announced it had voted to hear the appeal in Snyder vs. Phelps and to rule on whether the right to free speech extended to the right to intrude on a solemn ceremony. The justices will hear arguments in the case in the fall.

-- David G. Savage, reporting from Washington

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LWW
04-01-2010, 06:03 AM
When will you ever learn? Fred Phelps ... nutjob leader of this cult ... is not a right winger, in fact he is a long time democrat:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Phelps has run in various Kansas Democratic Party primaries five times, but has never won. These included races for governor in 1990, 1994, and 1998, receiving about 15 percent of the vote in 1998.[57] In the 1992 Democratic Party primary for U.S. Senate, Phelps received 31 percent of the vote. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Phelps supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic Party primary election.[61] In his 1984 Senate race, Gore opposed a "gay bill of rights" and stated that homosexuality was not something that "society should affirm".[62] Phelps has stated that he supported Gore because of these earlier comments.[63] According to Phelps, members of the Westboro Baptist Church helped run Gore's 1988 campaign in Kansas. Phelps' son, Fred Phelps Jr., hosted a Gore fundraiser at his home in Topeka and was a Gore delegate to the 1988 Democratic National Convention. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since the early 1990s, Phelps has targeted several individuals and groups in the public eye for criticism by the Westboro Baptist Church after their deaths. Prominent examples include President Ronald Reagan </div></div>
&gt;&gt;&gt;I'LL BET THEY DIDN'T TELL YOU THAT AT THE HUFFINGTON POST&lt;&lt;&lt; (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps#Democratic_Party)

And he isn't actually even a Baptist:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr. (born November 13, 1929) is an American pastor who is the founder of the Westboro Baptist Church (WBC), an independent Baptist church </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Independent Baptists remain autonomous and congregationalist in nature and are generally fundamentalist in teaching. The IFB movement is not a denomination per se, but there are similarities that run throughout most Independent Baptist churches. </div></div>
&gt;&gt;&gt;TRUTH VERSUS TRUTHINESS&lt;&lt;&lt; (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Baptist)

The bottom line is that Fred Waldron Phelps Sr is simply another hate monger which the demokooks will welcome under their "BIG TENT" when they need votes and money ... and then blame on conservatives when it is found out that they have accepted yet another degenerate group into their ranks.

BTW ... who do you think is helping the father suing Phelps? The ACLU? The DNC?
CNN? MSNBC? Olberman? Matthews? Maddow? Carlson? Obama? Maybe Huffington Post? Media Matters? MOVEON.ORG? Some other left wing group?

Nope.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bill O'Reilly is backing a bereaved father's bid to sue a Church who picketed his son's funeral

Albert Snyder is suing the Westboro Baptist Church and its pastor, Fred Phelps, for picketing his son's funeral after he had been killed in Iraq.

But Snyder said he couldn't afford the legal fees which is where O'Reilly stepped in.

Talking on his show last night, O'Reilly offered Snyder $16,000 out of his own pocket to pay for the case.

O'Reilly said he fully backs Snyder and will will pick up the tab for the appeals that have been ordered by a federal court.

Snyder's son, Matthew from Maryland, was a Marine who died in the line of duty last year.

After O'Reilly's generous offer, Snyder received over 4,000 calls and emails also offering monetary support.

A federal court ruled that Snyder must pay the court costs of the Westboro Baptist Church, who he sued for protesting his son's funeral.

Westboro is infamous for protesting the funerals of American servicemen with signs saying God killed the soldiers because of homosexuality. </div></div>
&gt;&gt;&gt;MORE TRUTH VERSUS TRUTHINESS&lt;&lt;&lt; (http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Bill-OReilly-helping-family-sue-church-for-picketing-fallen-Marines-funeral-89621957.html)

LWW

Gayle in MD
04-01-2010, 07:15 AM
More On phelps: whose attacks against gay rights reflect Republican policies, REPUBLICANS CONSISTANTLY VOTE AGAINST GAY RIGHTS, SUPPORT RELIGIUOS RW LEADERS LIKE JERRY FALWELL, WHO SAID THE 9/11 ATTACKS WERE PUNISHMENT FOR GAYS AND ABORTION. REPUBLICANS CONSISTANTLY EXSPOUSE A POLICY AGAINST ABORTION RIGHTS, AND AGAINST GAY RIGHTS.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/in...ed-phelps-timel (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2001/spring/a-city-held-hostage/fred-phelps-timel)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Intelligence Report, Spring 2001, Issue Number: 101
Fred Phelps Timeline

1929
Fred Waldron Phelps is born on Nov. 13 in Meridian, Miss.

1947
<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Phelps enrolls in but never graduates from Bob Jones University, a highly conservative religious school known for banning interracial dating (a policy changed only in 2000) and for attacking Catholicism. </span>
<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Ordained as a Baptist preacher at age 17, he spends the summer trying to convert Mormons. </span>
1952
After Phelps' California street ministry against dirty jokes and sexual petting is profiled by Time magazine, Fred and Marge Phelps meet and are married. Over the next 16 years, they will have 13 children.


1954
The Phelpses arrive in Topeka on May 4, the same day that the U.S. Supreme Court issues its historic Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka ruling, finding that "separate but equal" public schools are unconstitutional.

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>
1955
On Nov. 27, the first service is held at Phelps' new Westboro Baptist Church (WBC). </span>
But most of his congregation leaves the church after a series of internal conflicts, and Phelps is forced to support himself by selling vacuum cleaners and baby carriages door to door.


1964
Phelps earns a law degree from Washburn University in Topeka, but has trouble joining the state bar when no judges are willing to vouch for his "good character," the normal procedure under Kansas law. Phelps overcomes this obstacle by providing recommendations from others.

Before the end of his legal career in 1989, Phelps will file some 400 suits, mostly in federal court. Estranged son Nathan Phelps will claim later that part of his father's strategy is to file frivolous lawsuits in the hope that his targets will settle to avoid the costs of defense.


1969
Until the mid-1970s, the Phelps family's main income reportedly comes from using the children to sell candy door to door for several hours each day. The children are also required to run several miles a day.

Also this year, the Kansas Supreme Court temporarily suspends Phelps' law license on three counts of professional misconduct. But it denies a request by the state board of law examiners to have Phelps disbarred permanently.


1972
Phelps files suit against lawyers, county commissioners and a judge in Topeka, alleging illegal acts by a "political machine" in Topeka. The defense answer says Phelps' suit was motivated by an earlier, now sealed, child abuse case against Phelps.

This same year, WBC is sued by two companies for failure to pay for the candy resold by the Phelps children.

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>The church </span>is ordered to pay a reported $5,760 in one case; it settles for $1,650 in the other.


1974
Phelps files a $50-million class action suit against Sears after a local outlet is several days late delivering a television set. Litigation continues for six years and is eventually settled with Sears paying Phelps $126 — about $60 less than Phelps' son originally paid for the TV, which he never receives.


1978
In one of several civil rights cases filed by Phelps, an area school district pays almost $9,000 to Evelyn Rene Johnson (and over $10,000 in legal fees to Phelps) to settle a discrimination case.

Another Phelps case results in a settlement for blacks who were illegally searched by police at a party.

In 1986 and 1987, Phelps will receive three awards for his civil rights cases, including one bestowed by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.


1979
After Phelps sues and harasses a court reporter he accuses of being late with a document, the Kansas Supreme Court, citing Phelps' "little regard for the ethics of his profession," permanently disbars him so he can no longer practice in state courts.

As a result of the same case, Phelps also will be suspended the following year from practicing in federal courts until 1982.


1983
Phelps files the first of three federal lawsuits against Washburn University Law School after three of his children are denied admission. The suit contends his children should be granted minority status, and thus benefit from affirmative action, because of their association with their father's "civil rights" legal work.

A later suit switches the argument, alleging reverse discrimination because Phelps' children are white. All are dismissed in 1986.


1984
Phelps sues President Ronald Reagan for sending an ambassador to the Vatican, alleging violations of the constitutional guarantee of freedom of religion.


1985
Nine federal judges in Kansas sign a disciplinary complaint against Phelps, five of his children and a daughter-in-law, alleging the seven made false accusations against the judges.

In a separate complaint, Phelps, still practicing in federal court, will be censured in 1987 for writing abusive letters this year to potential defendants threatening lawsuits if his demands were not met.


<span style='font-size: 20pt'>1988
Phelps provides rooms for Democrat Al Gore's presidential campaign workers. Though the Phelps-Gore connection will grow increasingly distant, Phelps' oldest son, Fred Jr., is invited to the first Clinton-Gore inauguration in 1993.

By 1998, Gore will be seen as such an enemy by WBC that its members picket the funeral of Gore's father. </span>
1989
In a settlement of the 1985 disciplinary complaint against him and several family members, Phelps agrees to permanently stop practicing in federal court so that members of his family may continue practicing.

Also as part of the settlement, daughter Margie is suspended from practicing in federal and state courts for one year, son Fred Jr. for six months.


<span style='font-size: 20pt'>1990
Phelps, undertaking a run for governor of Kansas, begins disseminating flyers attacking his gubernatorial competitors and other state politicians in unusually personal terms. He loses the Democratic primary, but garners 11,634 votes, 6.7% of the total. </span>
<span style='font-size: 20pt'>1991
In his most visible early attack on homosexuals, Phelps and his followers in May kick off what they term the "Great Gage Park Decency Drive," beginning regular pickets of a park in Topeka where homosexuals supposedly meet. (The WBC pickets will still be going strong a decade later.) </span>
<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Around this time, Phelps and his congregants expand their operations, picketing enemies around the nation. </span>1992
Running for the U.S. Senate, Phelps gets a remarkable 30.8% of the ballots cast in the Democratic primary even as he terms his opponent a "bull dike" [sic].

Largely in response to Phelps' and his followers' harassment of gays and others, the Kansas legislature passes laws regulating funeral picketing and penalizing stalking, and amends a statute outlawing telephone harassment to include faxes.


1993
Shawnee County District Attorney Joan Hamilton begins to bring battery, assault and other charges — including eight counts of criminal defamation — against WBC members for a litany of alleged picket line abuses.

After Phelps responds by filing the first of three suits against Hamilton alleging wrongful prosecution, a court invalidates the state defamation statute, enjoins further prosecution of WBC members in the cases, and awards $43,000 in legal fees to the church.

Years later, an appeals court will reinstate the defamation statute, but by that time the statute of limitations on most charges has expired. All of Phelps' suits against Hamilton will be eventually resolved in the prosecutor's favor.

Also this year, WBC's picketing of an AIDS victim's funeral prompts a Kansas City, Mo., funeral picketing law.


1994
After a local Episcopalian church sues WBC for alleged harassment, WBC is enjoined from picketing the church in a case that is appealed all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

In July, a verbal attack by Phelps results in two convictions for disorderly conduct and two suspended 30-day jail sentences. Local efforts to oppose WBC are stepped up with pleas to the phone company to cut off WBC's notorious fax line.

Publicly supporting the ultimately fruitless requests are Kansas Attorney General Robert Stephan — who says that cutting off Phelps' line would be "important public service" — along with a city councilman and many other victims.


1995
A Phelps grandson, Benjamin, spits on a passerby during a picket and is convicted of misdemeanor battery. Other WBC members, found innocent in two similar harassment cases, file suit against the original complainants.

After verbally assaulting passersby at a picket, Jonathan Phelps is convicted of disorderly conduct. Although the verdict is eventually thrown out because of a minor error in the judge's instructions discovered by WBC lawyers, he is convicted in a second trial.

Also this year, Fred Phelps speaks at the Indianapolis Baptist Temple after being invited by Greg Dixon, a figure in the antigovernment "Patriot" movement.


1996
Another series of criminal defamation charges are brought against WBC members by District Attorney Hamilton, but, according to court documents, are ultimately dismissed for a variety of reasons.

WBC member Charles Hockenbarger is convicted of criminal restraint in an earlier incident involving a Lutheran minister who was demonstrating against WBC with a sign reading, "God's Love Speaks Loudest."


1997
Claiming the city has not done enough to protect WBC picketers, Phelps threatens to sue Topeka if he is not paid $1 million. When the city demurs, Phelps sues for $7 million.

A city planner, offered a job in Topeka, backs out after seeing a Phelps picket. Police chief Gerald Beavers resigns after being accused of coddling Phelps with a no-arrest order. Beavers is replaced by Dean Forster, whose credentials include having prevailed in an earlier suit brought against him by Phelps.

Also this year, the church puts up its first anti-homosexual web site; later, the site will become the infamous http://www.godhatesfags.com site.


1998
Carrying signs attacking "fags," WBC members picket the funeral of slain Wyoming college student Matthew Shepard, bringing Phelps' church international notoriety.

Immediately after announcing a plan to study gay issues, the Topeka Human Relations Commission is abolished by the city council. After an uproar, the commission is reinstated in a considerably weakened form.

WBC begins picketing evangelist Jerry Falwell after Falwell makes a conciliatory gesture toward a gay former aide.

In the latest WBC battle over religious tax exemptions, a WBC pickup truck is ruled taxable because it is used for political, not religious, purposes.


1999
Charges of disorderly conduct and aggravated intimidation — related to the alleged harassment of a local lawyer in 1993 — are dropped against Phelps and his son, Jonathan, after a court rules that the Phelpses did not receive a speedy trial.


2000
WBC continues to picket Falwell, who has called Phelps a "loon," around the country and even in Canada.

As Phelps and WBC bring the city ever-growing notoriety, the Topeka City Council adopts an anti-hate resolution.
</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 26pt'>Phelps claims his political roots lie in the Democratic Party, having run for office in Kansas five times and previously supported Democrat Al Gore in 1988 and 1992. However, his ideology directly contradicts the expressed views of the party, which supports "full inclusion of gay and lesbian families in the life of our nation."The 2004 Democratic National Platform for America Political affiliations</span>In the 1980s, prior to Phelps protesting at funerals, the Phelps family were supporters of then-senator Al Gore's Presidential aspirations.[3] The basement of Fred Phelps Jr.'s law office supposedly acted as Gore's Kansas campaign office, and the Phelpses hosted a fundraiser. Numerous photos exist on the Internet of Fred Phelps Jr. and his second wife, Betty Phelps-Schurle, posing with Al and Tipper Gore. Phelps Jr. also served as a Gore delegate on the floor of the Democratic National Convention in Atlanta in 1988. Ivers, Kevin. "Gore Political Ties to God Hates Fags Revealed." Log Cabin Republicans, Washington branch. 25 October 2000. [4]
<span style='font-size: 26pt'>
During Bill Clinton's presidential campaign, Fred Phelps Jr. and members of Westboro campaigned for Gore, though simultaneously attacking Hillary Clinton. In January 1993, Fred Phelps Jr. and Betty Phelps-Schurle were invited to the inaugural ball in Washington, D.C.Timeline of the life of Fred Phelps, Sr. Compiled by the Southern Poverty Law Center. [5]

In the ensuing years leading up to Clinton's second presidential campaign, Gore and Clinton took stances increasingly in favor of gay rights. Consequently, Westboro turned against Gore, who nevertheless invited Fred Phelps, Marge, Fred Jr., and Betty back for the 1997 inauguration; they responded by bringing the entire Westboro congregation to the White House and picketing on the front lawn during the ball, Friedman, et. al. "This Way Out Newswrap, 25 January 1997." [6] with signs proclaiming that Gore, Clinton, and both men's families were going to Hell, not necessarily for their stances on homosexuality, but because they had "betrayed" Westboro. Westboro Baptist Church Flier, distributed 18 November. 2002. [7]

In 1998, Westboro picketed the funeral of Gore's father, screaming vulgarities at Gore and telling him "your dad's in Hell."
Westboro signs with political messages have read:
* AL GORE FAMILY VALUES (with a cartoon of two men having anal sex) [8]
* GO HOME (with a cartoon of Bill Clinton)
* BABY KILLER (with a cartoon of Hillary Clinton)
* BABY KILLER (with a cartoon of Bill Clinton)
* FAG GORE

Phelps has failed in numerous Democratic primary elections for governor of the overwhelmingly Republican state of Kansas, in 1990, 1994, and the last time in 1998, when he came in second with 15,000 votes out of a total of over 103,000 votes cast, or 15%.1998 Kansas Primary Results. Compiled by Congressional Quarterly. [9]

In the aftermath of the election, in an incident that would be repeated years later when Phelps circulated a fuzzy petition to outlaw homosexual work protection,<span style='font-size: 26pt'> many of the Kansas Democrats who had cast votes for Phelps came forward to express their distaste for him. They claimed that Phelps had lied about his intentions to numerous constituents, using double-talk and fuzzy language to confuse them; neglected to mention his stances on race, religion, and homosexuality, and campaigned mainly on the platform of a "good ol' boy" Southern gentleman and retired lawyer unfairly prosecuted by the system.</span> 365Gay.com staff. "Phelps Clan Forces Vote on Gay Rights Law. 5 January 2005. [10]</span>More recently, Phelps was the subject of nationwide controversy when his family proposed, in a referendum, the removal of workplace protection for homosexuals in Topeka. The measure was defeated, fifty three percent to forty seven percent. Also in 2005, Phelps' granddaughter Jael was an unsuccessful candidate for Topeka's City Council; Jael was seeking to replace Tiffany Muller, the first openly gay member of the Topeka City Council.

Phelps has repeatedly championed Fidel Castro for Castro's stance against homosexuality; in 1998 Harper's magazine published a letter Phelps sent to Castro in which he praised Castro and lambasted the U.S. In 2004, when a pro-homosexual Cuban refugee announced plans to travel to Cuba, Phelps sent another letter to Castro "warning" him of the man's plans and requesting travel visas for a group of WBC congregants so that they could follow the refugee around Havana with signs bearing anti-U.S. and anti-homosexual slogans. Castro also ignored that appeal.

Phelps also hates Scandinavians and Lutherans in particular, whom he considers to be hellbound heretics. That may be because a Lutheran girl of Swedish origin, Luava Sundgren, separated his son Mark from the rest of his family. As Tarja Halonen won the Finnish presidential election in 2000, Phelps made issue of the fact that Halonen, a lawyer by profession, though heterosexual herself, had in her youth worked as the human rights lawyer of SETA, a Finnish LGBT organization. Phelps threatened on his webpage to come with his congregation to burn the Finnish flag in front of the Finnish Parliament. This threat united Finnish GLBT communities, reservists and hackers, who cracked his website and defaced it by replacing every page with a Finnish flag. The Finnish police stated that his safety could not be guaranteed should he arrive in Finland, and that should he carry out his intentions he would be arrested for defacing the national flag. He did not carry out his threat.

Phelps seems to have targeted his hatred against Sweden instead of Finland after the prosecution in June, 2004, of Swedish pentecostal pastor Ă…ke Green on hate-speech charges for comments about homosexuality; both countries are traditional Lutheran countries. On the Westboro website godhatessweden.com, Phelps declares the heavy Swedish losses in the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, initially calculated (exaggeratedly) at 20,000, to be God's punishment of Sweden for the prosecution of Green, and depicts a granite monument designed by himself to Green as a Christian martyr, announcing plans to erect copies of it throughout the U.S. In response, Green has called Phelps "appalling" and "extremely unpleasant," stressing that while Phelps proclaims hatred for homosexuals and condemns them to Hell, Green hopes for them to repent and go to Heaven.

In 2003, before the fall of Saddam Hussein during the Iraq War, Phelps wrote Hussein a letter praising his regime for being, in his opinion, "the only Muslim state that allows the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ to be freely and openly preached on the streets." Anti-Defamation League. "Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church: In their own words." 2006. [11] Furthermore, he stated that he would like to send a delegation to Baghdad to "preach the Gospel" for one week. Hussein granted permission, and a group of WBC congregants traveled to Iraq to protest against the U.S. The parishioners stood on the streets of Baghdad and heavily patronized Baghdad establishments holding signs condemning Bill and Hillary Clinton and anal sex. Tooley, Mark D. "The 'God Hates Fags' Left." Front Page Magazine. February 9, 2006. [12]</div></div>

http://en.allexperts.com/e/f/fr/fred_phelps.htm

Sev
04-01-2010, 07:19 AM
The guy and his group are left wing loons.

eg8r
04-01-2010, 07:43 AM
Sounds like a pretty crazy character.

eg8r

pooltchr
04-01-2010, 08:01 AM
LMAO! She posts that the guy is a RW Christian, and then provides documentation that he is a supporter of the Dems!!!!

What a loon!!!!!

Steve

sack316
04-01-2010, 08:05 AM
ok, Steve, I didn't comment because I figured I had just read it wrong. Guess I read it correctly!

Sack

Gayle in MD
04-01-2010, 08:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok, Steve, I didn't comment because I figured I had just read it wrong. Guess I read it correctly!

Sack </div></div>

Then you read the part about how he decieved the Democratic Party, that they condemned him, that long ago, Democratics broke with this man, and that he has a history of attacking both al Gore, and the Clintons.

let's just say this much, we are all against what he is doing. His ideology, though goes much more along with the REligious rightwing, than the democratic philosophy. He's not a Democratic, he is a religious nutcase, who parrots the same ideologies as most of the righties on this forum, and most of the Republicans, Anti-gay rights, Anti-abortions rights....both of which are upheld by the Democratic party, pro gay rights, pro choice....

There is no way that this man is a Liberal, bottom line.

G.

pooltchr
04-01-2010, 08:22 AM
And yet, you had no comment on my post about the LW radicals protesting at a servicemans funeral.

Steve

sack316
04-01-2010, 08:34 AM
Regardless of who or what the man is... the actions were shameful. Yes, we can all agree on that part anyway. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Sack

LWW
04-01-2010, 10:25 AM
I'm quite honored that you went to that much trouble to respond to a post you will swear that you never read.

LWW

eg8r
04-01-2010, 01:10 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and that he has a history of attacking both al Gore, and the Clintons.
</div></div>Are you re-writing history on purpose? What about his history of supporting Gore? Had Gore taken a different stance on gays, this guy would still be gore's biggest fan.

eg8r

cushioncrawler
04-01-2010, 04:31 PM
I reckon if Phelps kissed a guy he would like it.
madMac.

Sev
04-01-2010, 05:33 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok, Steve, I didn't comment because I figured I had just read it wrong. Guess I read it correctly!

Sack </div></div>

Then you read the part about how he decieved the Democratic Party, that they condemned him, that long ago, Democratics broke with this man, and that he has a history of attacking both al Gore, and the Clintons.

let's just say this much, we are all against what he is doing. His ideology, though goes much more along with the REligious rightwing, than the democratic philosophy. He's not a Democratic, he is a religious nutcase, who parrots the same ideologies as most of the righties on this forum, and most of the Republicans, Anti-gay rights, Anti-abortions rights....both of which are upheld by the Democratic party, pro gay rights, pro choice....

There is no way that this man is a Liberal, bottom line.

G. </div></div>

Have you lost your mind???

Nobody on the right advocates for this guy.
They are not even Baptists.
The Baptist church is horrified by what this group professes.
They are closer to Manson than anything else. Its only a matter of time before they cross that line.

And since when do conservatives or republicans attack the troops.
Perhaps you forget the goings on in the 60's and 70's???? The Dems and the left own that particular disgusting episode in our history.

cushioncrawler
04-01-2010, 06:38 PM
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cushioncrawler
04-01-2010, 06:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.....The Baptist church is horrified by what this group professes. They are closer to Manson than anything else. Its only a matter of time before they cross that line.....</div></div>Charles woz a poofta.
madMac.
First imprisonment
On a psychiatrist's recommendation, Manson was transferred in October 1951 to Natural Bridge Honor Camp, a minimum security detention center. Less than a month before his scheduled parole hearing in February, 1952, Manson "took a razor blade and held it against another boy's throat while he sodomized him."[24][33] Now considered dangerous, he was transferred to the Federal Reformatory, Petersburg, Virginia.[33] In September 1952, a number of other serious disciplinary offenses resulted in his transfer to the higher security Federal Reformatory at Chillicothe, Ohio[33]

JohnnyD
04-02-2010, 03:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What a disgrace, that these rightwing Christian activist judges are going to protect this Baptist church, and this RW Christian notcase, while they insult and offend our dead gay soldiers, and their families, at their private family funerals.

The very idea that this RW Activist Judge, has told this boy's father to come up with thousands of dollars to pay to these disgusting religious fanatics, is beyond belief!

The rightwing religious zealots have gone too far, IMO. This is wrong. Freedom of speech does not trump the freedom to respectfully mourn in peace, the loss of one's Brave son, who gave his life for our country, just because the Republican, religious rightwing, is so full of hate!

Every soldier, regardless of his or her sexual preferences, deserves to be honored, and their family the right to mourn, and honor them after death, and without these horrible Republican RW Christian fundamentalist radicals interfering!

I have littel hope that the RW Supreme Court will defend our fallen soldiers against the radical religious right.

A true disgrace!

G.

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'Thank God for dead soldiers': Supreme Court to rule on free speech in case of soldier's funeral
March 8, 2010 | 9:22 am
The Supreme Court agreed Monday to decide on the outer limits of free-speech protection for public protests and to rule on whether a dead soldier’s family can sue fringe religious protesters who picketed near their son’s funeral with signs that said, "Thank God for dead soldiers."

A Maryland jury awarded $10 million in damages to Albert Snyder, whose son Matthew was killed in Iraq in March 2006. He had sued <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Fred Phelps, the founder of the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan., who has traveled the country for 20 years leading controversial protests at funerals for American soldiers. </span>
<span style='font-size: 17pt'>He claims that God hates America because of its tolerance of homosexuality. He and his small group of followers carried protest signs at the funeral in Westminster, Md., that said, “Fag troops,” “God hates the USA” and “God hates fags.”</span>But a lawyer for Phelps said his protests were not targeted at Lance Corp. Matthew Snyder, the soldier, but more generally at America and the U.S. military. The protesters were kept at a distance from the church and the burial service. Nonetheless, the jury awarded damages to the Snyder family on the grounds that the funeral protests invaded their privacy and intentionally inflicted emotional distress.

In September, however, the U.S. 4th Circuit Court of Appeals threw out the entire award on free-speech grounds. “Notwithstanding the distasteful and repugnant nature of the words being challenged in these proceedings, we are constrained to concluded that <span style='font-size: 17pt'>the defendants’ signs are constitutionally protected,” the appeals court said.</span>Snyder’s family appealed to the Supreme Court, saying the protests had “tarnished” their son’s funeral. “Matthew deserved better. A civilized society deserved better,” they said.

The court announced it had voted to hear the appeal in Snyder vs. Phelps and to rule on whether the right to free speech extended to the right to intrude on a solemn ceremony. The justices will hear arguments in the case in the fall.

-- David G. Savage, reporting from Washington

More in: Supreme Court </div></div>

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dcnow/20...rs-funeral.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dcnow/2010/03/thank-god-for-dead-soldiers-supreme-court-to-rule-on-free-speech-in-case-of-soldiers-funeral.html) </div></div>I'd like to hire hondo and give him a case of fine scotch to slap them around.

LWW
04-03-2010, 06:20 AM
JohnnyD, hondo has made an apology ... albeit lame ... for his threats of violence against my wife.

He, however, refuses to recant his racial slurs.

In spite of that, I ask that you forgive brother hondo and let's see if he is a man of true contrition or one who returns to the hondo we have all come to know.

I'm pulling for you hondo.

LWW

JohnnyD
04-03-2010, 11:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">JohnnyD, hondo has made an apology ... albeit lame ... for his threats of violence against my wife.

He, however, refuses to recant his racial slurs.

In spite of that, I ask that you forgive brother hondo and let's see if he is a man of true contrition or one who returns to the hondo we have all come to know.

I'm pulling for you hondo.

LWW </div></div>Ok LWW,sounds good to me.AMEN.

LWW
04-04-2010, 05:42 AM
Bless you JohnnyD ... but I must confess, early results are not encouraging.

LWW