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Qtec
04-04-2010, 04:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rachel Maddow Calls Bull-Pucky on <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Fake Republican Outrage</span>

Rachel Maddow calls bull-pucky on Fox News and the GOP for<span style='font-size: 14pt'> fake outrage on everything from fake pimp James O'Keefe who helped take ACORN down, to Climate-gate, to recess appointments, to the individual mandate in the health care plan, to Miranda rights, to trials for terrorists, to the birthers to you name it. </span></div></div>

link to video (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-calls-bull-pucky-fake-republ)

Also,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 20pt'>California A.G. Says ACORN Workers Didn’t Violate Law in ‘Pimp’ Tapes</span>
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/i...tapes_20100402/ (http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/california_ag_says_acorn_workers_didnt_violate_law _in_pimp_tapes_20100402/)
Posted on Apr 2, 2010

After reviewing the infamous video footage taken of right-wing activists James O’Keefe and Hannah Giles purportedly posing as pimp and prostitute, respectively, and talking to employees of the now-disbanded organization ACORN, California Attorney General Jerry Brown has concluded that <span style='font-size: 20pt'>“the evidence does not show that the ACORN employees in California violated state criminal laws in connection with their conversations”</span> with O’Keefe and Giles. What’s more, Brown’s office has posted the activists’ unedited video from California on the attorney general’s website. —KA

The Brad Blog:

Brown’s statement in the announcement is highly critical of Rightwing activists James O’Keefe III and Hannah Giles, who posed as a prostitute and her law school boyfriend in the videos posted on Rightwing media mogul Andrew Breitbart’s “Big Government” website last year and played extensively on Fox News, as well as other non-partisan media outlets.

<span style='font-size: 20pt'> “The evidence illustrates that <u>things are not always as partisan zealots portray them through highly selective editing of reality,”</u> says Brown in the statement. <u>“Sometimes a fuller truth is found on the cutting room floor.”</u></span>

<u>His report notes that the office’s “investigation has involved attorneys from all three legal divisions – Criminal Law, Public Rights, and Civil Law – as well as Special Agents from the Department’s Bureau of Investigation and Intelligence” and included a review of “the unedited recordings made by O’Keefe and Giles.”</u> </div></div>

Are you guys now going to admit you were conned?

Q..........People believe what they want to believe.

LWW
04-04-2010, 05:24 AM
That was just precious.

Are you aware their is recorded evidence that AG Moonbeam in California told ACORN in advance not to worry.

The fix was in ... and you cheered for it.

Why do you hate justice?

LWW

Qtec
04-04-2010, 05:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That was just precious.

Are you aware their is recorded evidence that AG Moonbeam in California told ACORN in advance not to worry.

The fix was in ... and you cheered for it.

Why do you hate justice?

LWW </div></div>

When presented with rock solid facts, you you deny them or you claim its a conspiracy.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 20pt'>“investigation has involved attorneys from all three legal divisions – Criminal Law, Public Rights, and Civil Law – as well as Special Agents from the Department’s Bureau of Investigation and Intelligence”</span> </div></div>

BTW,<span style='font-size: 20pt'> every investigation</span> into this has cleared ACORN of any wrong doing.

Q

LWW
04-04-2010, 05:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That was just precious.

Are you aware their is recorded evidence that AG Moonbeam in California told ACORN in advance not to worry.

The fix was in ... and you cheered for it.

Why do you hate justice?

LWW </div></div>

Al Capone and John Gotti were acquitted numerous times as well.

And your point is ... money and power corrupt systems?

I concur.

LWW

When presented with rock solid facts, you you deny them or you claim its a conspiracy.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 20pt'>“investigation has involved attorneys from all three legal divisions – Criminal Law, Public Rights, and Civil Law – as well as Special Agents from the Department’s Bureau of Investigation and Intelligence”</span> </div></div>

BTW,<span style='font-size: 20pt'> every investigation</span> into this has cleared ACORN of any wrong doing.

Q </div></div>

Gayle in MD
04-05-2010, 07:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That was just precious.

Are you aware their is recorded evidence that AG Moonbeam in California told ACORN in advance not to worry.

The fix was in ... and you cheered for it.

Why do you hate justice?

LWW </div></div>

When presented with rock solid facts, you you deny them or you claim its a conspiracy.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 20pt'>“investigation has involved attorneys from all three legal divisions – Criminal Law, Public Rights, and Civil Law – as well as Special Agents from the Department’s Bureau of Investigation and Intelligence”</span> </div></div>

BTW,<span style='font-size: 20pt'> every investigation</span> into this has cleared ACORN of any wrong doing.

Q </div></div>

He is no match for you, and hence must totally change the subject over to something else which has absolutely no relevance to the subject. That's what he alwasy does right before he claims victory. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Facts are not the Republican goal in the first place, never have been, never will be. They all do exactly what Rove did when his little scam was exposed, on C-Span, insult the truth teller, twist the debate, and deny proven facts. Same thing the right has done on here for ten years! The last genuine and honest conservative was Barry Goldwater.

BTW, John Dean was interviewed on C-span for three hours on Sunday. He gave a very good appraisal of the damage to our government and our honor by the corrupt Bush administration, and the further damage to the Republican Party, by those who are stupid enough to follow their current leaders, Glenda Beck, The Quitta from Wasilla, Rush Limpballs, all liars, all oportunists only interested in filling their own pockets with plenty of cash...

He also addressed the illegal appointment of Bush to his first term, by the RW S.C., and the coming devastation of the RW S.Court's recent vast activism in their decision to dilute the power of individual votes, by allowoing complete corporate take over of the election process, as if they didn't already have too much power in the first place.

The stated Republican goal of a one party system, enhanced by the Right Wing Supreme Court, at every turn, from appointing a president, to allowing unbridled corporate power in our elections, signals emergency circumstances for this country's future.

Amazing the damage that non stop lies on the radio and on cable, can do to a country. From the shame of torture, to the Bush War Of Choice, all without conscience.

Disgusting!

G.

pooltchr
04-05-2010, 09:26 AM
Denial is just another mental disorder.

Seek help!

Steve

Under
04-05-2010, 01:39 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Denial is just another mental disorder.

Seek help!</div></div>


Lets say that again!

Denial is just another mental disorder.

Seek help!

Sev
04-05-2010, 07:39 PM
I guess it doesn't matter that they were supporting whoring of minors. AKA sex slavery.

Technically they may not have crossed a legal line. However there was intent.

hondo
04-05-2010, 10:46 PM
Reminds me of the outrage of the tea partiers.

They wouldn't even know what they're outraged about if Beck and Limberger didn't tell them.

Heck, even then they don't know.

ugotda7
04-05-2010, 11:42 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Reminds me of the outrage of the tea partiers.

They wouldn't even know what they're outraged about if Beck and Limberger didn't tell them.

Heck, even then they don't know. </div></div>


A Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives
Mar 31, 2010 Author Scot Cerullo

Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives have a penchant for fortifying their arguments with facts, statistics, history and other elements that create convincing and thoughtful arguments.

Not to worry. The following are several tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Drop the Race Card: The moment your Conservative opponent begins crafting a cogent, air-tight argument buttressed in fact, drop the race card. This technique is designed to stifle further discussion, impugns your opponent and puts him on the defensive. Often, this is enough of a distraction to direct attention away from your lack of qualitative, quantitative evidence.

Lib Tip # 2: Impugn the Source: When debating a Conservative, content is less important than character. When your Conservative opponent states a compelling argument, do not address the argument and instead attack the Conservative personally. Since we are all sinners, it shouldn’t take long to find something wrong with your opponent. Use it.

Lib Tip # 3: Social Justice Trumps Logic: Argue every issue from a “Social Justice” or “Moral” high-ground. The Conservative will attempt to show that your ideas are unworkable, unsustainable or downright illogical. Don’t worry about any of that. Just stay on message by arguing from the moral, social justice perspective.

Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, and one guy has a placard that is inappropriate, that is all you need to characterize the entire group as radical, racist militants. See how that works? It’s simple and fun and, most importantly, deflects all those awkward facts and articulate points away from the discussion and leaves the Conservative in a defensive mode.

Lib Tip # 5: Use “New Speak”: If health care is not a right according to the Constitution, and you want it to be a right, claim it is and then raise your voice. Raising your voice is always the best course of action in lieu of a good argument. Redefine words to suit your needs, and always be on guard for any stray, powerful fact or statistic the Conservative may use to support their position.

Lib Tip # 6: State the Opposite of what you believe: If you are in favor of taking money from producers and giving it to non-producers, that’s fine, but make sure your wording is a bit more obtuse than that. Try saying you are in favor of moral and social justice, and characterize everyone who earns a good living as somehow having won the lottery in life, and all those who want as being desperately hard-working folks who have an almost allergic reaction to hand-outs. Never imply or point out in any way that people can change their situation simply by making better decisions.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by it’s Errors, not its Successes: Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, it is important to characterize America by it’s errors in judgement and misdeeds. It is critical that you completely overlook the good things America has done, and the manner in which it has beaten back one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that without America, the world would be a far more dangerous, hostile, sad place. So talk about Indians and Slaves.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news stand in defiant refutation of an otherwise fully agreeable media that presents only one template, a liberal template. Also, attempt to divert attention should someone ask why Conservative Talk Radio and FOX news is growing exponentially, while traditional, liberal media is closing offices, thinning their employees and running deficits like, you know, the government.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that a massive expansion of government is a good thing. Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay ever more in taxes so that a centralized government comprised of east and west coast Liberal elites can decide what is best for the unwashed masses, since it would be sheer lunacy to allow individuals the right to make decisions for themselves. If you run into problems, see Tips 1-8.

Lib Tip # 10: Assign Blame away from Yourself: Always assign blame to the other guy, preferably a Conservative. This may require rewriting history so that people may one day believe that Reagan did NOT usher in 25 years of prosperity, or it may require still more retooling of the content of public school text books. But over time we’ll get there.

Remember: The ends justify the means. No matter how cruel and violating the means may be, if it results in a mediocre society where all citizens ultimately suck off the the government for their most meager needs, it will all be worthwhile.

There is of course the small matter of where all the money for all these programs will come from. Right now, they come from spirited entrepreneurs, dreamers with drive and other people whose passion poses a direct threat to the new world we want to usher in.

But first things first. Learn the ten tips to squelch free speech, hurt your opponent with the intellectual equivelant of a kick to the groin and avoid facts, statistics and studies altogether, as those will get you in trouble.

Good luck Liberals! Battle on and remember what Dennis Prager said: The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen. Oh wait, no. You don’t want to remember that. My bad. Here, try this: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Yeah, that’s the one. Whew!

pooltchr
04-06-2010, 07:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Reminds me of the outrage of the tea partiers.

They wouldn't even know what they're outraged about if Beck and Limberger didn't tell them.

Heck, even then they don't know. </div></div>

Smaller government, reduced government spending, and returning government to it's constitutional limits. It's been stated over and over, but you just don't want to hear it.

All Americans SHOULD be outraged!

Steve